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Request concerning RudiLefkowitz
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- MPants at work (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- RudiLefkowitz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Discretionary_sanctions_.281932_cutoff.29 :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
(see additional comments by editor filing complaint for additional diffs evincing problematic behavior which occurred prior to the imposition of DS.)
- 21:03, 28 January 2017 This is well after the DS sanctions had been imposed, and Rudi had been warned by the admin that his editing was disruptive and a BLP policy violation. Note that while he's addressed the first complaints about his edit (that Milo's not a practicing jew) by choosing an ethnicity-oriented category this time, he's still not addressing the fact that most RSes question Milo's claim of having a Jewish grandmother.
- 21:45, 28 January 2017 Edit warring again.
- 17:51, 29 January 2017 At this point, he decides to make a pointy edit, removing a category from the page pertaining to Milo's ethnicity. In reverting this, admin Ad Orientem warns Rudi that he's "about one disruptive edit away from a topic ban."
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 03:10, 30 January 2017 Blocked by EdJohnston for edit warring at this article. Rudi's first edit after the block expired (aside from blanking his talk page) was back on the Milo talk page, jumping right back into the subject as if nothing had happened.
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Problematic edits prior to the imposition of DS
- 13:14, 23 January 2017 This was the initial edit which kicked it off. Rudi clearly understood that Milo is accepted to be a practicing Catholic, yet nonetheless took to adding a category reserved for practicing Jews.
- 13:30, 23 January 2017 After being reverted, he proceeded to edit war the category back in (this was prior to the imposition of DS on this page, with Rudi's edits being the reason for their imposition)
- 13:36, 23 January 2017 He then proceeded to edit other parts of the article, replacing attributed claims with the same claims in wikivoice (stated as facts) to support his case.
- 14:12, 23 January 2017 He then continues to edit war his claims into the article
- 14:13, 23 January 2017 He also continued to edit war his preferred category back in. Notice the broken category.
- 15:02, 23 January 2017 Continuing to edit war the broken category back in; accusing other editors of "cherry picking" and "censor"ing him in the edit summary. (Note that by this point, the problems with his edit have been explained to him multiple times at talk.)
In addition to the diffs above, Rudi has engaged in forum shopping and canvassing in order to attempt to force the rest of us to accept his views.
The source of the problem seems to be a potent case of selective dyslexia. Rudi's tactic throughout this has been to ignore any criticism of his arguments, and simply to repeat those arguments ad nauseum. It has been pointed out to him numerous times that RSes are highly skeptical of Milo's claimed Jewish ancestry, yet Rudi simply presumes that his one source which treats the claims as facts (in a passing mention, no less) must be accurate and ignores the rest. He's never once responded to anyone pointing out that the preponderance of RSes don't take Milo's claim seriously. Instead, he has taken to hinting at antisemitic motives for those of us opposed to his edit.
- @MjolnirPants:: What you have just said is blatantly false! I never thought or wrote something that would "hint at antisemitic motives"! If you did not concoct up what you just wrote then you have grossly misread. The accusation of "forum shopping" is only correct in that I was erroneously trying venues that I thought could be relevant without knowing them, (no harm intended). Have not been in severe arguments before, so no need of them. On the charge of canvassing, I plead a bit guilty after familiarising myself with what that "charge" meant. Tried getting people on bord to argue against, in my humble view, "politicised editing and censorship" (i.e. WIKIPEDIA:NOTADVOCATE). But throwing in inappropriate words like "dyslexia" is very uncouth and reveal's your true colours. I have never stooped so low with anyone, even with you, and hope for an sincere apology. RudiLefkowitz (talk) 23:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, at the talk page, his level of engagement with others is highly questionable, and his editing style is highly disruptive. For example, after Rudi posted this comment, I attempted to respond multiple times for approximately 20 minutes, only to get an edit conflict every single time. Compare the difference between his initial edit and the current (as of now) version: even if I'd gotten my response posted, it would have been a response to an edit which, substantially, no longer exists. This level of difficulty in responding to him has been the rule since this drama started. It is not unusual for Rudi to continue making numerous minor and major edits to his comments for up to 45 minutes after initially posting them. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 16:13, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Responses
- @Shrike:, There are three notices shown, notice of BLP DSes was given at Rudi's talk on the 23rd, and notice of the US politics ds and the 1rr restriction given on the talk page on the 23rd, as well. Considering that Rudi edited the talk page 34 times between then and the DS notice on his user page, claims that he wasn't aware of the DSA sanctions are highly spurious. Nonetheless, I have moved diffs of all edits prior to the imposition of sanctions (which happened at the same time as the notice at the talk page) to this section. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 17:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- With all due respect to everyone involved: This is not a content dispute. With respect to the content dispute, there is a fairly obvious consensus at the talk page. This is about the disruption Rudi has been causing to the article. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 19:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Sir Joseph: Two things: First, you are completely ignoring the fact that numerous RSes have questioned or expressed skepticism as to his claim of having Jewish ancestry in order to create this false impression of the argument being about whether a BLP subject is a sufficiently reliable source for such claims. That's extremely dishonest. The reason for the current content dispute, which has been explained to both of you before, by more than one editor, is that the RSes question this claim. It's not because it came from the subject. Second, even assuming you were absolutely correct, I'd have to ask you to point me to the part of WP policy which states that it's okay to violate policy if you think you're right. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 19:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein: Excluding my responses to other editors here and my signature, and including the list of diffs at the top, the additional comments are only 438 words long. Diff 1 occurred after DS had been imposed, and constituted the 6th problematic edit since Rudi began pushing this issue. There are 6 edits prior to the imposition of DS on this article at the top of this section. I do not consider the first edit to be problematic per se, but useful in establishing the timeline. There is a clear slow edit war going on, here. Furthermore, my comments point out and provide diffs to evidence serious disruption of the talk page, and a threat to make mass pointy edits. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 21:05, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
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Discussion concerning RudiLefkowitz
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by RudiLefkowitz
Statement by Sir Joseph
It's very hard for me to comment without violating guidelines so I'll be brief. There is ample evidence that Milo's mother and grandmother is Jewish. In addition, Milo stated, "I am a gay Jew." As for the categories, there are two categories in question, one was British Jews and one is British of Jewish descent. Even if you don't want to say Milo is Jewish, he is clearly of Jewish descent since he is descended by his mother. Furthermore, Milo self-identified as being Jewish when he said, "I am a gay Jew." Wikipedia is not the place to judge someone's level of religiousness. I have no comment on the behavior of Rudi other than I took a peek at the userpage and just saw edits and comments, nothing disruptive, he is of course one against many, it's extremely difficult to be right when faced with just so many wrong editors. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- OID, Halacha is irrelevant in this case. Milo said he is a Jew. So we don't need to see what others say or determine. He self-identified as a Jew. And even if he's not a Jew, he is descended by his mother, so he is of Jewish descent. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Masem, forgetting that Milo said he's Jewish, wouldn't the fact that his mother is Jewish make him of "Jewish descent?" Again, there are two categories under discussion, one is identifying Milo as a Jew, and one is identifying his as being of Jewish descent. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:55, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Mpants, but he has a point though. All those on his list that are of "... Jewish descent" how is that different than Milo who is of Jewish descent?Sir Joseph (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, there are two Jew stories here, one Milo said he is a Jew and two, Milo has Jewish ancestry. It's also irrelevant why he chose to self-identify. I'm not commenting on the behavior here, I'm just saying that Milo has said he's Jewish and the sources also say that he is of Jewish ancestry. That some people don't like that fact is irrelevant. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Masem, no you are so very wrong. We do not require someone of Jewish descent to be of original bloodline from thousands of years ago in the Middle East. Same as how we have "of Italian descent" or of "Muslim descent". His grandmother/mother is Jewish so he is of Jewish descent. He is also of Greek descent from his father. He is of British descent from his mother (I assume, haven't checked the cats). We use basic common sense, if someone is Jewish, their descendants are of Jewish descent. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Shrike
The notice was given on 29/01 so any edits before it are irrelevant to this request.Is only about 1 diff.--Shrike (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shrike I placed a 1RR discretionary sanctions notice on the talk page of Milo Yiannopoulis on 23 Jan 2017. A 1RR edit notice was placed on the article on 24 Jan 2017. It is not possible to edit the article w/o seeing this notice. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by OID
This is an ongoing issue due to the dual nature of Jewish religion/ethnicity. Essentially the argument boils down to 'Is Milo an ethinic or religious Jew and should we categorise them as such'. Lets get the religious aspect out of the way: Milo is not a religious Jew as he is a self-professed practicing catholic. Therefore no Jewish-religious categories are appropriate regardless of how anyone else feels about it. Is Milo an ethnic Jew/of Jewish descent? This is the more problematic question, Halakha states he is - assuming his statement about his maternal grandmother is correct - and there is plenty of criticism/doubt about this out here - generally along the lines of 'Milo claims a Jewish relative in order to deflect criticism of anti-semitism'. The local consensus has been (in this situation with this specific biography) not to categorise them as such due to the various issues (we dont write articles deferring to a Jewish Religious Law interpretation - Halakha is not even observed by all modern jews (or historically in some areas), we dont have details on his grandmother who may have been religious but not an ethinic Jew, there is substantial doubt even regarding said claims etc etc) and to include where necessary in the prose of the article. This of course infuriates the Jew-taggers who feel the need to tag every celebrity they can as Jews. Even in the above post by Sir Joseph (someone who if you frequent the BLP noticeboards you can see also has strong views on who is/isnt a Jew) he comments on 'Wikipedia is not the place to judge someone's level of religiousness.' - well we dont need to. Milo is 100% not a religious Jew. 'he is clearly of Jewish descent since he is descended by his mother.' - this is a common view of those who do not accept the difference between ethnicity and religion. But to sum up - Rudi's arguments have been listened to and taken into account at the talkpage and rejected. And this disruption is still going on. Categories and infoboxs on biographies of living people are for clear and unambiguous facts, not ambiguous issues (which of course can be explored in the prose) - even more so when it enters core contentious areas like religion, ethnicity (and sexuality although not in this case) Only in death does duty end (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Bradv
I was asked to contribute here on my talk page. I have no horse in this race—I showed up after a request for a third opinion was posted, which I declined because there were more than two editors involved. That discussion closed (with a consensus not to identify the subject as Jewish), and then RudiLefkowitz promptly opened a new discussion regarding the same/similar thing. I don't think there is a need for ArbCom enforcement here—this is a simple case of one person with a very strong opinion who edits in a slightly disruptive style. We thought we had a consensus a few days ago, but now it seems like it might be more complicated than we initially thought, and it's time to get some more input on this.
I would like to ask RudiLefkowitz if he would agree to abide by the result of an RFC. If he agrees to that, this discussion here would probably be unnecessary. Bradv 18:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- After seeing this, I think I may need to adjust my position. RudiLefkowitz is basically threatening to go on a rampage just to make his point. Some intervention is clearly needed. Bradv 19:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Rudi
- Removed: As User:Sandstein stated that; categories concerning ethnicity or religion should be applied to a certain article or not is a content dispute. Arbitration, and by extension arbitration enforcement, does not decide content disputes. RudiLefkowitz (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Anew: Rudi's statement
- *@Sandstein: invites me to address WP:POINT, also in the conext of of this
- I'm just pointing a future course of action I will soon start to remove/add categories which is contingent on the answer, final outcome and verdict ...you Are What You Say You Are!? What to do? Should we remove the Category:Jewish atheists completely?
- at the very same time I'm also continuing to ask for a speedy conclusion, so editing can resume in one or another way: Ex: This is a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly! If we don't resolve the question of adding/removing category concerning descent, we will have this discussion all over again on another talk page! It will be Déjà vu! We must avoid being totally engulfed in ideological fads and try to find a principle that can be used equally in other articles. Maybe we should soon move to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/ArbCom. Regards, RudiLefkowitz - RudiLefkowitz (talk) 21:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- the same logic runs trough all of my statements and is discernible also here : I think a review/recommendation from a few Wikipedia administrators would be needed to validate user:MrX claim about what constitutes a "poor" source. Are the above mentioned "poor" sources and does reporting oneself, one's background make it any less valid? I would like to get this confirmed, before I will systematically apply it on all feature Wikipedia biographical articles. Thanks, RudiLefkowitz - RudiLefkowitz (talk) 21:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The logical and totally congruent tone of my argument have been in harmony with my statement that: For some reason this biography in question has been targeted for special a overzealous scrutiny to prevent adding a category that would normally be the conventional common practice in Wikipedia. In my humble opinion, we should take inspiration from Kant ’s categorical imperative and try to Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.''
- I once agin wrote in the altogether familiar logical and responsive spirit, waiting for directives, on Ad Orientem's talk page: We cannot afford anymore a coram non judice situation and urgently need reasoned and authoritative guidance. Maybe Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/ArbCom or?
- If things are read in context and in it's totality the style and tone of the replies do not raise questions of WP:COMPETENCE. Arduously working and pushing for good reasoned principles in editing and arriving at them as ASP and then back to the salt mines! Spirited, - so be it. Things should be read in context! We should not sweep this under the rug, but as User Talk:Masem put it, set a framework to how to properly use these various terms in a manner that avoids disputes like this. Nothing can be done if some one want's to draw blood by twisting my one sentence outside context and not reading everything. Please be kind and solve this issue it by creating a general, prospective, coherent, clear, and practicable framework. That's hard, but slapping me on the wrist, will be easy and a just going a bit over the top. Writing and wrenching about the whole issue is misery enough. I give up. Thank you. Regards, RudiLefkowitz (talk) 21:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ad Orientem: The accusation of "forum shopping" is only correct in that I was erroneously trying venues that I thought could be relevant without knowing them, (no harm intended). Have not been in severe arguments before, so no need of this "forums". I hope you have read my arguments above and could entertain the argument that there can be no real "threat", if the intended action is in contingent with asking for a final recommendation and speedy conclusion, and thus being able proceed on that very note in a systematic way. Where is the harm in underlining the urgency of the matter and waiting for a response? Please explain, so I could understand. But please read the mentioned texts above. Regards, RudiLefkowitz (talk) 23:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I end by quoting anonymously a person who participated in the even earlier debates concerning the wilful censoring and removal of references and sources indicating Mr. Yiannopoulos background and descent by a cadre of editors with possible other underlying motives. - And this is why Wikipedia is a joke. Do what you want to the article, I'm taking it off my watchlist. As always, bias wins over truth. - So going on a sabbatical. Tired and fed up with the endless use of wikipedia for politically charged edits, bad tempered blaming and then snitching. And as always -Thank you. I apologise, if someone felt abrasively confuted. Regards, RudiLefkowitz (talk) 00:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Ad Orientem
Coming Soon: I have been on the road all day and just returned home. My inbox is overflowing. Give me a few to get caught up. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok. I think I am pretty much up to speed on this. First I want to clarify that my involvement in this dispute has been purely as an Admin trying to put a lid on edit warring and what appeared to be a heated content dispute on an article dealing with one of the more controversial figures in modern politics. I have taken no position on the underlying dispute. Which is to say I am not INVOLVED in the content dispute. That said I wish to make the following points after which I will make some conclusions.
- On January 23 I placed a Discretionary Sanctions Notice on the talk page of Milo Yiannopoulis specifically applying WP:1RR.
- On January 24th I placed a 1RR Edit Notice on the article itself. It was therefore not possible to edit the article w/o being aware that it was subject to 1RR and other discretionary sanctions.
- On January 26 the first discussion regarding the question of MY's Jewish identity/ancestry was closed with a strong consensus against identifying him as Jewish. Towards the end of this debate Rudi had changed his position to one of inserting a category identifying MY as being of Jewish Descent, vice actually being Jewish.
- During the course of this dispute and after being warned about his obsessive editing, Rudi launched multiple appeals in different venues in what has been described, accurately I believe, as FORUMSHOPPING.
- Subsequently Rudi opened another discussion concerning the claim of MY's Jewish descent.
- During this period I cautioned Rudi on his talk page that his editing was becoming tendentious and appeared to be agenda oriented to the point of being an obsession. He was reminded by myself and others that discretionary sanctions were in effect.
- On January 28 Rudi reinserted the disputed category claiming MY's Jewish descent. This was subsequently reverted by Bradv. There followed a very short edit war in which both parties violated 1RR. After issuing cautions to both, Bradv admitted his lapse and self reverted and I then restored the last pre-edit war version. I decided in my edit summary to treat the matter as good faith editing if lacking in good judgement and chose not to impose any sanctions.
- On January 29 Rudi made an edit, already discussed by other parties, that was clearly a violation of WP:POINT and in my opinion was disruptive. I immediately reverted the edit and warned Rudi that he was courting a topic ban.
- On January 30 Rudi was blocked for 48hrs for the January 28 edit warring following a complaint filed by Bradv. I was not involved in this.
- Today on 1 February Rudi left a notice on my talk page, already discussed by other involved parties above, threatening a series of edits that are in my opinion both POINTY and DISRUPTIVE.
- Conclusions We have reached the point where Rudi's editing has crossed the line from aggressive advocacy for a position in a content dispute to tendentious editing and now disruptive edtiting and threats of more disruptive editing in an effort to make a WP:POINT. Although I am technically not involved in the underlying dispute, out of an abundance of caution I am going to recuse myself from taking any administrative action here myself. That said...
- I propose that Rudi be topic banned from Milo Yiannopoulis and any categories or discussion of categories relating to persons who are, or who are suspected of being, either Jewish or of Jewish descent. I would leave open the possibility of requesting a review of the topic ban after two years, conditional on his strictly abiding by it. It is clear that Rudi is obsessed with this subject and his editing has become disruptive.
- I further propose that Rudi be blocked for a period of not less than two weeks for posting threats of disruptive editing on my talk page. If the AE request had not been posted, I would simply do all this myself based on his threats left on my talk page. But again, out of extreme caution I will let another admin deal with this as they see fit.
-Ad Orientem (talk) 23:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by MrX
RudiLefkowitz's unhealthy obsession with the need to describe Yiannopoulos as Jewish has become very disruptive. He has ignored policy-based argument from multiple editors, cited weak-to-poor sources, misrepresented sources, used original research, repeated arguments ad nauseum, threatened to disrupt other articles, edit warred, and forum shopped. Based on my limited involvement with the article, I believe a topic ban of some sort is in order.- MrX 04:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Result concerning RudiLefkowitz
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Only commenting to affirm a key point in OID's statement: there is a long-standing Wiki-wide issue of differentiating the term "Jewish" between bloodline/genetics-related meaning, and the faith-based meaning, in conjunction with how Jewish practice can seem to conflate the terms, which often gets into long-winded battles. I think a separate RFC is needed to have some wiki-consistent policy about making sure the difference between these terms is 100% crystal clear for purposes of writing an encyclopedia. This specific case seems the latest argument over the terminology issue. --MASEM (t) 17:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sir Joseph: The problem that I know we've discussed before is the meaning of the phrase "Jewish descent" in a context-less manner. This implies, in every normal context outside the Jewish religion, that it is bloodline-related to the original Jewish tribes from the Middle East. It is complicated by the aspect of Jewish religion that says that regardless of ancestry a child of a practicing member of the Jewish faith can call themselves of Jewish descent. It is yet further complicated that there were discrete Jewish tribes that were not created by the Diaspora (eg Ethopian Jews). Hence the need for a discussion to set a framework to how to properly use these various terms in a manner that avoids disputes like this, while both respecting the Jewish faith definitions but without sacrificing our own clarity. There's behavioral problems at play at this AE, but this fundamentally rests on a standing content problem that needs to be solved. --MASEM (t) 20:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether certain categories concerning ethnicity or religion should be applied to a certain article or not is a content dispute. Arbitration, and by extension arbitration enforcement, does not decide content disputes. We only address violations of conduct rules. The diffs submitted as evidence in the complaint do not all establish such violations. As to diff 1, adding "Category:British people of Jewish descent" to an article is, in and of itself, merely a content issue, and the complaint does not make clear how it violates conduct policy (such as WP:BLP). As to diff 2, a single (apparent) revert is not sufficient to constitute edit-warring; and in any case the user was apparently blocked for such after the edit at issue, which makes it moot for sanctioning at this time. Diff 3 is the only one that could be actionable per WP:POINT, also in the light of this, and I invite RudiLefkowitz to address this. (I have not read all of the additional comments by MPants at work because they by far exceed the 500 words limit.) Sandstein 20:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The also overlong reply by RudiLefkowitz is unhelpful. They go on and on and in a confusing manner about the content dispute, which as explained is irrelevant here, and to the extent they address the WP:POINT issues, they do not do so convincingly; indeed, the style and tone of their reply raises questions of WP:COMPETENCE. Based on this, I think a topic ban from US politics BLPs might be appropriate. I'd like to hear from Ad Orientem (talk · contribs) first, though, who has been following this as an admin. Sandstein 21:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- This (and the similar posting above) suggests that some sort of restriction is necessary. That reads to me like threatening to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Black Kite (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Taking into account the contributions in this discussion, including those by Ad Orientem in their capacity as an admin, it appears clear that there is a conduct problem with RudiLefkowitz at least insofar as they have threatened to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, and have not addressed or recognized this problem in their somewhat ... disjointed reply (which they have edited multiple times). The overly excited tone and tenor of RudiLefkowitz's reply also leads me to believe that they are temperamentally not well suited to collaborative editing in a politically charged environment. Accordingly, RudiLefkowitz is topic-banned (per WP:TBAN) from editing anything related to biographies of living persons (BLPs) closely related to the post-1932 politics of the United States (including, for the avoidance of doubt, Milo Yiannopoulos). They are invited to appeal this ban after six months by showing evidence of productive, collegial collaboration in other BLP-related articles. Sandstein 08:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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