Pigsonthewing
No action taken; no violation. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC) |
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User was asked to self-revert and declined to do so.
Discussion concerning PigsonthewingStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by PigsonthewingI have been mindful not to breach this restriction since it was imposed, ten months ago. And in this case, I did not do so. What I did do, was to fix a malformed infobox, added here by a good faith, but naive, new editor (this article represents their only edits), including the code:
That had the dreadful visual appearance shown alongside. My replacement had more usual, correct formatting. The restriction does not disallow me from fixing existing infoboxes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC) @Callanecc: Nor is there a restriction on me discussing (on an article talk page or elsewhere) improvements to an existing infobox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 19 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Hullaballoo WolfowitzPigsonthewing did not violate the terms of the arbcom ruling. He did not add an infobox to the article in question, but corrected the formatting on a very poorly constructed infobox that had been uncontroversially added to the article nearly a year ago. If one looks at this narrowly, in terms of the coding, one could argue that he removed one infobox and added a different one containing the same content, but that is pedantry. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by RexxSThis accusation is absolute nonsense. @Callanecc: You don't need to make up a definition of an infobox from thin air. We already have a definition of an infobox in the very first line of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes:
A panel ... that summarises key features of the page's subject. How on earth can you possibly not recognise this edit as adding a panel ... that summarises key features of the page's subject.? Not only that, but it was "in the top right, next to the lead section". Look at it - reproduced here as it was when added by Erganbjem, who started editing on 8 August 2013 and who had made just 35 edits by the time he added the infobox (i.e the panel that summarises key features of the page's subject) on 22 September 2013. It is abundantly clear that not only was the intention to add a panel in the top right of an article, next to the lead section, ... that summarises key features of the page's subject., but the effect was to achieve that. Nobody is contesting that it was a rather suboptimal implementation, even if it was the best that such a new editor could manage - especially as he never edited any other article, and was trying to use the visual editor to add the infobox. So now we are in the ludicrous position of an editor who stalks Andy's contributions asking for a sanction to prevent him from even improving a very poor infobox. This needs to be thrown out and some examination made of the number of times that Nikkimaria has arrived at an article for the first time just to take issue with Andy's legitimate edits. That needs to stop. --RexxS (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Statement by SitushI'm with RexxS here, and I'm really not a fan of infoboxes. Any attempt to assert that this particular edit breached the ArbCom ruling seems like pedantry. The thing was already there, just poorly constructed and obviously in need of a fix. If Nikkimaria were that concerned, she could have simply reverted Potw and then done the fix in their name. Let's use a bit of common sense. - Sitush (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by GerdaThe edit helped a new user and improved the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Boing!Do you know how this makes me feel? Sad. Seeing a productive editor making a change to an article that is so obviously an improvement (and was obviously fixing what was intended as an infobox and doing it properly, and was not adding a new one) being dragged here by a pedantic process-wonk out of battleground spite saddens me a lot. Seeing a couple of
Statement by MontanabwThis is really hair-splitting. Andy's first edit was here. No infobox. The article in question had a manually-created "infobox" made out of an image template that in terms of syntax, was . Andy then took ONLY the existing parameters plus one very logical addition -and put them into a template here. In essence, he took an improperly formatted infobox and made it into a proper one. Criminy, this is beyond ridiculous: it's a witchhunt. Montanabw(talk) 18:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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Gerda Arendt
Per discussion below, no action taken. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC) |
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Discussion concerning Gerda ArendtStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Gerda ArendtWe are talking about this history. I am sorry, I forgot the part of not restoring, I don't look at my restrictions every day. I will not do it again, as long as I remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Yes, several times I claimed "I forgot", because several times I forgot that I had not created an article. We are talking about articles from 2010, for example. Yes, I could have looked up the history, but I remembered my work on them so well that I failed to do it. I asked to apologize that already before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC) I forgot that I am restricted to not restore an infobox for the first time today. I confess that I got angry at the many reverts on that article (and others, such as Anna Kravtchenko), sorry for that as well. - I can't force you to believe me that I forgot that I didn't "create" Richard Adeney and others, but it is true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC) @Callanecc: Please distiguish: I forgot that I didn't "create" Richard Adeney (where I had added an infobox). I so far had nothing to do with José Carlos Cocarelli where I restored one, carried away by being angry about three unsubstantiated reverts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2014 (UTC) I looked up history. I added infoboxes to three articles I believed I "created" (in the strict sense of turning red link to blue) but didn't:
All three are DYK articles (I created more than 80& of the content), all three were reverted within a day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by BelleWhat good will blocking Gerda do? Belle (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC) @Sjakkalle:; I know what purpose the block is intended to serve, but do you think that it will do so? She got angry and let herself get dragged into Nikkimaria's and Montanabw's little spat; now she's getting her knuckles rapped and she's not going to edit war again, so there's no need to exclude her from the encyclopaedia where (as you say) she is normally productive. This block looks to me as if it would be purely punitive and I don't think that is the aim (actually, let's put that in caps; "THE AIM" [portentous music plays]; that's much better). Belle (talk) 16:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by MontanabwThis is ridiculous. I added the original infobox for Jose Carlos Cocarelli, which was an abandoned stub about a young pianist. I added a grand total of 13 infoboxes to similar BLP stub and start-class articles that no one but bots and vandal patrollers had touched for a long time, including no edits by Nikki or Gerda. Nikkimaria, who appears to be stalking both my edits and Gerda's as a self-appointed cop, reverted ALL of them within about 24 hours with her usual non-specific edit summaries, adding "rv net negative." In most cases, she also added a subsequent edit of a bit of content. I carefully kept her additions but also restored the infoboxes. These were not opera articles, not composer articles, not composition articles. This is absolutely spot on proof of Nikkimaria's stalking edits of myself and Gerda for the express purpose of edit-warring over infoboxes and I am very disappointed that Nikki has resorted to "GOTCHA!" behavior to go after Gerda. Nikki is long overdue to be sanctioned for her WP:BAITing and stalking. Montanabw(talk) 16:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by OliveWikipedia is not punitive.. An editor reacted against the battle ground behaviour of an admin who already has been admonished. Stalking is battle ground behaviour. Edit summaries which because of their lack of information (and Nikki has been asked repeatedly to explain her edits more carefully) do in fact mislead, and constitute battle ground behaviour. Did Nikki suggest to Gerda that she had made an error per her arbitration and ask her to revert the mistake or did she run over here to see if she could get a sanction? More battle ground mentality. What is the behaviour we expect in a collaborative community from an admin. Gerda is a prolific editor, (do all of us remember the articles we worked on years ago. I doubt it.) with an reputation for kindness and generosity. She explained her position honestly and apologized. At what point do we look deeper to see why such an editor might be upset. Why are we so quick to shoot first and look around later for behaviour that is hugely positive to this community, that indicates this is an editor who is honest, so we can AGF. (Littleolive oil (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC)) Statement by Boing@Lord Roem: Don't you think you should give more of your fellow admins time to see this and offer their own opinions rather than deciding all by yourself? You know, that old consensus thing? — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Result concerning Gerda ArendtThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. The request has merit. Because Gerda Arendt has previously violated the restriction multiple times and claimed to have forgotten it, as shown in the submitted evidence, I do not consider her statement that she forgot it again to be credible. To give preventative effect to the sanction, I believe that a block is now necessary. In view of her prior unsanctioned infractions, I also believe that the maximum block duration of one month is appropriate. Sandstein 12:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC) This is an unambiguous violation of their restriction. Saying "I forgot," especially at least a second time in a two-month period is both not persuasive and not helpful to their case. However, I disagree with Sandstein that a first block on someone's violation should take into consideration past times it was 'close' or that we didn't block. If we took no action in the past, we took no action in the past. Something like a week or two seems more appropriate. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 13:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC) I agree that unfortunately a block is necessary with this blatant violation with the hope that it will prevent further violations. In this case the page history fits on one page and it was during an edit war I don't accept that Gerda forgot that she didn't create the article. I'd rather a block of a maximum of 2 weeks though. While we're here I'd also warn Nikkimaria and Montanabw that their reverts on the article are pretty clearly edit warring and they should avoid continuing to revert users and discuss instead. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC) I agree with the admins above, this one is an unambiguous breach of the restriction. Responding to Belle, the point of enforcing the restriction is to deter edit warring over infoboxes.
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Nikkimaria
There are no enforceable remedies in the case to be enforced in this venue. Any further discussion should take place at AN, ANI or through an RFC/U, or an administrator can impose a block in a normal administrative action. This board is not best suited for discussions of that nature, so I'm closing this section, though feel free to use the evidence/comments here in further discussions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC) |
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There were no "mass additions" (Nikkimaria means an infobox). This article had lain dormant for over two years and per WP:Be Bold, editors are not required, nor normally expected, to discuss changes to articles beforehand in these sort of cases. Yet we have a single-minded insistence by Nikkimaria that no changes can be made. --RexxS (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Discussion concerning NikkimariaStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Nikkimaria13 additions in a short span of time to articles in an area where project guidelines advise against such additions is something that requires at least an attempt at discussion first. 13 re-additions after being reverted absolutely require discussion first. It is indeed unfortunate that there was edit-warring instead, and I continue to invite Montana to discuss her proposed changes. Other than that, I'm leaning towards Ealdgyth's opinion. Rex, your proposal wouldn't make the problem go away. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by EaldgythThis is getting just insane - all three of these AE requests (plus all the associated sniping by ALL sides all over the place). Personally, I'm of the opinion that all the people involved in the infoboxes case (those that were sanctioned and those that gave evidence or participated in the discussion) should be barred from typing the word "infobox" at all. The whole thrust of the decision in that case was that things needed to calm down, and the battleground behavior needed to stop. Near as I can tell, it's just continued at a lower boil. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by MontanabwI agree with Ealdgyth to the extent that this is insane, BUT my view is that 99% of the problem is that Nikkimaria has made herself the self-appointed cop who stalks the edits of Andy and Gerda hoping to "catch" them. That's just childish. Frankly, both of them should have their restrictions lifted, and this war against content creators on wikipedia needs to stop. As noted in my comments in Gerda's section above, I added 13 infoboxes to abandoned stub articles about some young pianist BLPs, ones that appeared to not have ever been edited by Nikki, only to have Nikki immediately appear and revert them. It is high time that the WP:BOOMERANG takes a look at Nikkimaria's edit-stalking and edit-warring, and I suggest that she take her obsession with Gerda elsewhere. Gerda and Andy abide by their restrictions, and here, Gerda made ONE slipup that may not have happened were it not for Nikki's baiting as regards infoboxes, edit-warring over parameters, altering guidelines and template instructions to align with her own POV, and so on. I am not sure what will get Nikki to back off, but she needs to. Montanabw(talk) 16:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by IPJust a reminder to the good admins at AE, you can act on AE complaints as normal admin actions. They won't have the same heft as a DS protected action, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Dismissing this and sending it to A3 or ANI when you already think admin action is warrented is just bureaucracy for bureacracy's sake. You still have regular admin hats and are still empowered to use them. 204.101.237.139 (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Epeefleche
Statement by GerdaI refused in the arbcom case to supply evidence against editors whom I respect and keep doing that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC) I enjoy writing articles together, such as The Company of Heaven and Anna Kravtchenko. I also enjoyed this discussion. (A battle? I doubt it.) Did you know that I made suggestions in the arbcom case? (I see that I didn't stick to my own, see above, I got angry at three reverts.) What do think, Nikkimaria, of voluntarily not reverting harmless infoboxes (such as these young pianists) for a month and see what happens? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by BrownHairedGirlAFAIK, I have interacted with Nikkimaria only twice, both times in the last few weeks. On both occasions Nikkimaria has refused to reasonably discuss the concerns of other editors. This is not the conduct which I expect from any experienced editor, let alone an admin, especially one already admonished for lack of professionalism. My first discussion with Nikkimaria was on 1 July here, where she refused to stop removing material from references. The discussion was degraded by Nikkimaria's repeated attempts to misrepresent what I was asking [4]. The entire thread was eventually deleted by Nikkimaria [5] with the disgraceful edit summary "rm trolling". I subsequently reverted her unexplained removal of info from other articles, and in each case it was repeatedly removed again with no further explanation. I filed an AN3 report on which no action was taken [6] On 19 July, Nikkimaria removed the nationality from infobox on article I had created [7]. (Note that the infobox had been added by another editor, not by me.) Nikkimaria's editsummary neither noted the fact of the removal, nor any clear explanation of the reason, so I reverted[8], and raised the matter on Nikkimaria's talk [9]. In the subsequent discussion, Nikimaria justified her removal on the basis of a section of a guideline which she acknowledges has no consensus, and which she has edit-warred to sustain. Her response to my complaint about her edit summaries was to a) misrepresent my request as a demand for "paragraphs of information", when the suggestions I made were of a few words [10]; b) repeatedly demand [11][12] that I point to examples of other editors use of summaries, even tho I know no others who follow her focus on removal of content. She accused me of "speaking only in the abstract" [13] even tho I had offered [14] concrete examples of how comply with WP:EDITSUMMARY ... and rounded off her repeated refusal to engage with my many suggestions by asking "please in turn try to be more collaborative in your efforts to resolve perceived problems". [15] Other editors report similarly frustrating experiences of trying to resolve problems with Nikkimaria. Both my encounters with her have left me feeling that I was engaged in a futile attempt attempt to reason with a petulant child. I plan to open an RFC/U on Nikkimaria's sustained refusal to work collaboratively or discuss disagreements maturely, and I am unsure whether my evidence above is relevant here. If not, sorry for bringing it here ... but whatever the venue, something needs to be done to curtail Nikkimaria's sustained and repeated lack not just of professionalism, but of simple maturity of conduct. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Boing!I'm afraid this is one of those cases that shows we need a binding Community admin recall process - Nikkimaria has displayed such appallingly bad behaviour that there would be no chance of an RfA success now, and I think a recall (if we had the power to do so) would be inevitable. We see stalking and hounding, tendentious edit-warring, vindictiveness, a continuation of the battleground behaviour that everyone should be trying to stop, and a complete failure to engage in the collegial manner that is required here. That Nikkimaria is an admin, and also an involved one at that, makes this behaviour that much the worse - we expect better-than-usual behaviour from admins who should lead by example, we do not expect the kind of behaviour that would get mere editors hauled up at ANI and blocked or banned. Whatever the admins decide below, I think we need to follow with a community topic ban from anything to do with infoboxes (including policing the topic) at ANI. — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning NikkimariaThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
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- AN proposal made here — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Ezzex
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- Gaijin42 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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- [16] POV/Vandal
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- [18] Restoring POV/Vandal
- [19] Removal of content contrary to editor's POV
Ezzex recently made an ANI post where previous behavior was an issue
And a previous ANI against Ezzex which ended with a firm warning from Go_Phightins! for soapboxing. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex
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Obvious case of WP:NOTHERE could notmally be cleaned up fairly easily, but 1RR and applied DS puts at risk of edit warring since this is not over vandalism.
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Gaijin42 ! you have been blocked 3 times in 1 year. Is this some sort of revenge?? --Ezzex (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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- One of the diffs (16:52 9 July 2014): "It looks like its written by IDF. Much jewish crap. Should not use operation-titles".. EdJohnston (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Another diff (17:23, 21 July 2014), adding a line to Operation Protective Edge, to describe the shelling of a hospital: "Probable done by purpose to punish the citizens of Gaza".
This looks to be POV-pushing in article space. I recommend a topic ban. The pattern is consistent with a 12 July ANI thread, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex, where Ezzex was warned for calling Wikipedia a 'tool of Israel' and for referring to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers as 'just killings on occupied land.' EdJohnston (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)