Volunteer Marek
Not closely related to the Eastern Europe discretionary sanctions so outside the jurisdiction of AE. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Volunteer Marek
Note: This list is very incomplete: it is hard to find warnings against him because he deletes them immediately.
This user was with the EEML so this thread will be spammed by supporters and attacks against the messenger as always. These insults comes in response to a strongly founded but not uncontroversial diatribe that kept appearing on my watchlist [1]. The essay laid out how Volunteer Marek was almost enjoying a carte blanche in the Eastern European topic area, mentioning over a dozen cases of reports where Piotrus tried to save him from consequences, against which Volunteer Marek now lashes out fiercely, unsurprisingly. I know that in this topic area you can't criticize without the messengers being attacked in defense. Recently that a user got topic-banned for 6 uncivil or personal attacks with less history in that regard than Volunteer Marek fills me with the hope that this can be ended better very late than never.
Discussion concerning Volunteer MarekStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Volunteer MarekAnd this has nothing to do with the DIGWUREN case. It's just another battleground account, filing another spurious request on a flimsy pretext.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC) To be more precise, these comments were made in response to completely unfounded accusations (only "implied" at first, then made explicit) by another user that I was planning or actually capable or possibly engaged in writing Encyclopedia Dramatica attack pieces on other users. Someone accuses you of that, you'd get mad too. Either way, they were made in response to these particular accusations, and not in relation with anything to do with DIGWUREN (and please take a look at filer's editing history. Shows up out of nowhere, knows all the ins and outs, etc.) Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC) Statement by Lukeno94
Statement by GianoI am completely and happily uninvolved with the EEML and any of its members. However, they have been under a lot of provocation lately. Piotrus had a perfect right to attempt to become an admin again; I'm less sure that an anon IP had the right to influence that attempt. That this has led to resentment and anger is understandable. I don't see Marek being totally abusive - I see some understandable anger and resentment. I don't see the point in penalising Marek, exasperation is not a crime in anyone's book. Blocking Marek for this will just lead to more festering resentment and animosity - who will that help? It's hardly an occurrence that's likely to be repeated. Giano 15:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC) Statement by The Devil's AdvocateTo me it seems that this matter falls within the scope of the discretionary sanctions. It is not as though this was some random dispute about some random people with some sort of connection to the Eastern European topic area. At the center of the ANI case was the repeated removal of evidence compiled against Piotrus showing that editor's misconduct with regards to Eastern European topics. Marek was apparently one of the people engaged in such removal and was connected to some of the misconduct in question. How Marek behaved during a noticeboard discussion about misconduct directly concerning the Eastern European topic area seems to fall within the bounds of the discretionary sanctions. Even if one were to argue that the link is too tenuous it does not mean that no action can be taken as any conduct issue raised here can be acted upon even if not through the discretionary sanctions. It would just be a normal administrative action subject to normal administrative review procedures.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:22, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Statement by PiotrusI am torn here. On one hand, I've always argued for enforcing civility and NPA; and I usually agree with Sandstein. On the other, to issue sanctions only because of an argument that C/E Europe arbitration sanctions apply here seems rather ridiculous, or an exercise in advanced wikilawyering; those sanctions apply to content namespace, not RfA or ANI. I wouldn't have a problem with enforcing CIV/NPA or such, but to do so using a next-to-nonexistent connection to content-area arbitration ruling as an excuse is simply not right. What I do have a problem is a logic that seemingly creates two groups of editors: once editing in content areas with ArbCom sanctions (C/E Europe, presumably few others) and the rest. In other words, if VM was not editing C/E articles, but another controversial but without discretionary sanctions area, such as, let's say, abortion, he could have said exactly the same things and there would be no reason to act? That's putting some twisted letter of the law so beyond any spirit that I am simply amazed. Then there's also the usually forgotten argument that sanctions should be preventative, not punitive (yeah, I know, dead letter). Plus an issue of WP:BOOMERANG (it takes two to tango...). And perhaps someone would be so kind as to consider whether referencing to an Encyclopedia Dramatica article, where information such as real life names, personal addresses and death threats have been posted, is not a more serious issue to consider (I am not saying this as a general snide at ED, I am saying this as mine and Marek's real life info was posted there, accompanied by the said death threats... Anyway, I'd suggest issuing a bunch of civility warnings, and/or "next time, interaction ban will be considered" warnings, for a number of parties, and moving on. On a closing note, it is not the first time that RfA has seen major and likely nonpunishable violations of CIV/NPA and such. Perhaps we should consider issuing a set of discretionary sanctions to RfAs in general, subjecting comments of editors in that forum to above-average scrutiny, and violations of NPA and such there, subject to serious sanctions? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Comment by arbitrator: Roger DaviesNo view whatsoever on the facts, just a comment on the underlying principle, posted not as a party but as an individual arbitrator. It has never, to my knowledge, been the intention of the committee that DS attaching to topic morph into DS for any individual who has ever edited within it. Roger Davies talk 17:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Comment by Fut.Perf.I'm not going to take admin action here myself, but I'd like to point out that if V.M. were to be sanctioned here, then User:Lukeno94 would certainly have to be sanctioned too. It was Lukeno's attacks on V.M. that provoked much of his outbursts, and the underhanded way Lukeno was implying V.M. was inolved, or likely to be involved, in real-life harassment of opponents, was odious indeed. Quote: "… the abuse they would get from the likes of Marek, and, given the various underhanded tactics that this group of editors have engaged in, if their account easily leads to the finding of their real name, they may well be very nervous of real-life repercussions" – it may not be as overtly intemperate in its wording as V.M.'s responses, but it is no less serious as a defamatory personal attack. Indeed, it is nothing short of character assassination. One might say it deserved every bit of the heat it got in response. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Result concerning Volunteer MarekThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
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AcidSnow
No action can be taken here; AcidSnow and Khabboos are notified of discretionary sanctions (Wikipedia:ARBIP#Standard_discretionary_sanctions). ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning AcidSnow
Discussion concerning AcidSnowStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by AcidSnowYou have got to be kidding me. You realize that I am not the only one reverting your edits, as several other users have already done so? The ones I have reverted were either Original research, POV, misrepresenting of sources, using non reliable sources, lying about "sources", etc. Many of these were also more than one! Not just those, but this "dispute' you keep forumshoping about is a waste of time. I am not the only one that has told you that you are misrepresenting the sources provide nor was I "wrong" for doing so! As for the "stalking" (which I am not exactly doing exactly) I am justified as you wont stop your disruptive editing. I am not the only one that agrees as does Joshua Jonathan. As for people you have listed me to stop, NONE of them have said such a thing! If anyone of the admin want to see the ones I have reverted and the "discussion"please see the original discussion at ANI that he has refused to discuss his continues inappropriate behavior. As you can all see he would decided rather to see me banned than discuss anything! AcidSnow (talk) 17:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Statement by KhabboosI wrote that, 'In 2005, a mob ransacked a temple in Nowshera' and added this reference: "Mob ransacks temple in Nowshera". http://www.dawn.com/news/145745/mob-ransacks-temple-in-nowshera. DAWN MEDIA GROUP. June 30, 2005. Retrieved 29 January 2014. Statement by Toddy1I am not engaged in an edit war. I had a look at the article on Hinduism in Pakistan as a result of complaints at ANI by AcidSnow that Khabboos was posting fake citations (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive828#User:Khabboos.) Where there are issues I have explained them on the article talk page. I also raised the issue of the lack of citations for claims about the Taliban on User talk:Khabboos#Taliban and alleged persecution of Hindus in Pakistan. When parties to a dispute (AcidSnow and Khabboos) discuss issues in places like ANI, and various other forums (Khabboos has raised this in quite a few), then they should expect uninvolved editors to take a look at what they are doing. I am one of those uninvolved editors taking a fresh look.--Toddy1 (talk) 08:52, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Result concerning AcidSnowThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. This is not actionable as submitted. As explained in a section above, we are not allowed to decide content issues such as whether the text at issue should be in the article or not. This must be resolved via the process described in WP:DR. We can only take action if one of you has acted in a way that violates our conduct rules, such as by edit-warring. In addition, imposing discretionary sanctions requires a prior warning with the contents prescribed in WP:AC/DS#Warnings, which doesn't seem to have happened.That said, the history of Hinduism in Pakistan does reflect an edit war between AcidSnow and Khabboos. I think that we can close this with a discretionary sanctions warning to both, and advice to read up on policies such as WP:EW and WP:DR. Sandstein 18:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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Ronz
Both users officially notified of discretionary sanctions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Ronz
Latest revision as of 19:21, 14 February 2014 by NewsAndEventsGuy about summarizes the situation. Minor variations of objections keep being brought up and they require the whole business to be gone through without referring to the same thing before even with accurate pointers. And yet they will not give any accurate indication of their own objections just lists of whole policies without sections and not saying where they have explained themselves. They keep warning others to concentrate on the topic and warn about bringing them to here, yet they keep trying to divert discussions.
Discussion concerning RonzStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by RonzI'm having trouble identifying how the descriptions of the diffs actually describe what was going on, much less how addressing them is beneficial to Wikipedia. I disagree with Dmcq's interpretations of key areas of dispute with the article, and have found that trying to discuss them only brings out battleground responses (User_talk:Dmcq#CONLEVEL, User_talk:Dmcq#IDIDNTHEARTHAT). It seems that these disagreements are what are being brought here, just without the proper context. --Ronz (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning RonzThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. As submitted, this complaint seems to have no merit, and borders on the frivolous. The submitter doesn't explain how exactly these talk page messages are supposed to violate any conduct policy or guideline, and it is not apparent from looking at them how they might do so. Also, there's no diff of a warning meeting the requirements of WP:AC/DS#Warnings. Sandstein 21:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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Yossiea
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- 06:37, 17 February 2014 This is her first revert after removing the Gaza Strip as one of the territories being under occupation. Yossiea got reverted by Sepsis II and she responded with this revert. While this revert is little after the 24 hour period, it may still be seen as a revert but either way, the two reverts after is enough.
- 02:33, 18 February 2014 First revert in a 24 hour period.
- 06:56, 18 February 2014 Second revert in a 24 hour period.
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I am astonished by Yossiea's actions. This is not what I would expect from a user who has edited so long, even less by someone who has rollback and reviewer rights.
She removed the Gaza Strip from the list of territories being occupied. This was sourced with this by UN. While it is acceptable to make changes, it is not acceptable to trying to enforce your own view, and keep in mind she is not offering any sources and has been informed that many still see it as occupied, as she has done by constantly removing the Gaza Strip from the list and demanding that we discuss it. She wrote this in her first edit summary about this: "Removing Gaza Strip, regardless of what the UN says, there is no Israeli military occupation of the Strip, it could be stated that Hamas is occupying Gaza, but I guess we can't go there". In her second edit, she wrote this "No matter what, there is no military occupation of Gaza". Then she reverted another time. I reverted her saying "You need sources for that. Presenting your own opinion is not enough". She responded by saying "Please see Talk Page and discuss first. Evidence? Are you saying Israel didn't withdraw from Gaza????". This was already discussed in the talk page, including by me who had wrote there and offered a soloution. She wrote this in the talk page after her last revert: "It's not disputed, the Israeli military withdrew from Gaza". Is it this she mean with discuss? On 02:34, 18 February 2014, she went to Sepsis II's talk page and warned him for "disruptive editing".
I am not 100% sure if this is covered by ARBIA. She was warned on 02:53, 18 February 2014 by Sepsis II on the article's talk page that "The section is also under 1RR which you have broken and may be blocked for, please revert per BRD rather than edit war". She wrote to him there two hours later so she must have seen it in that small section and Sepsis had put up an ARBIA header. She should not have reverted again on 06:56, 18 February 2014 and had the time to self-revert.
Yossiea did also canvass by writing "At List of military occupations Gaza Strip is being inserted under the "current" section of military occupations even though Israel withdrew. You might want to take a look and add your comments" in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel. --IRISZOOM (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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