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Nonsense. My comments came under talk sections concerning acid thrown within Gaza, and in no way are about the Palestine-Israel conflict. The 1st section "More than 18 attacks" describes acid attacks on Gaza residents, while the 2nd section "Hamas' reaction" describes Hamas torture allegations in Gaza. Now, if it is your belief that Gaza is part of Israel, and hence any discussion involving Gaza entails that I "violated" an alleged topic ban that I did not agree to, then that's an entirely different story. [[User:Al-Andalusi|Al-Andalusi]] ([[User talk:Al-Andalusi|talk]]) 03:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Nishidani
Nishidani is topic-banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict for one month. Sandstein 13:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Nishidani
This editor has a habit of putting down his fellow editors, making denigrating comments about them, doubting their logical faculties, general competence and knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines, using strong language (to say the least). This has been pointed out to him many times, and objected to, including by this forum. Nishidani continues this behavior unchanged. It is time the community put a stop to this behavior. All the more so since it is a likely possibility that Nishidani uses this style, consciously or unconsciously, to stifle opposition against his POV.
[16] May it be noted that this editor has requested me to not comment on his talkpage.[17] At the same time, I have stated that I have no problem with him posting on my talkpage.[18] Replies of Debresser to comments by other editors and admins@Black Kite One does not come to WP:AE because one disagrees with an editor. As Kingsindian has said correctly, the discussion from which most of these comments were culled, was resolved with general consensus. That however is not in itself a reason to not report violations that were made during the course of that discussion. In any case, I hardly participated in the discussion, which was mostly between Icewhiz and Nishidani and Kingindian. Also please note that a significant part of the comments was not even directed at me but at Icewhiz. I take offense to the bad faith assumption behind the suggestion that I reported Nishidani because I disagree with him. I reported him because he has a very, very long history of offending his opponents. A fact which is confirmed by the previous WP:AE decision. Even Nishidani's friend Huldra says she finds his comments inappropriate, and Icewhiz also calls his comments "incivility thrown my way", even if he was not offended by them. In addition, on a more genral note, most problematic behavior will naturally arise in conflict situations, and restricting the path to WP:AE because of that fact alone does not make sense and sets a dangerous precedent, opening the way for uncontrolled violations. If you hold, contrary to common sense and the warning issued to Nishindani at this very forum, that it is acceptable or even reasonable to systematically put down people you disagree with with insults to their intelligence, knowledge, and overall competence, say so, but suggesting to punish me for reporting a clear violation of basic and common sense ArbCom restrictions reminds me of the absurdities depicted in Kafka's The Trial. Debresser (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC) @Nishidani You seem to think that attack is the best defense. However, you forgot to mention that WP:ARBPIA3 was significantly altered just 5 days before I reported you on WP:ANI and neither of us was aware of that. It really is large of you to claim that I am "Utterly confused about the AE/ARCA ruling" when in your very next post here you ask for editors to explain to you something as simple as the meaning of a revert, saying "I would like a simple explanation of whether the 2 edits I count as reverts are so or not. I don't understand the rule, never will"! I already explained to you that this edit of mine can by no means be counted as a revert. In any case, please do not try to avoid the real issue here, that you are not going to stop insulting your fellow editors when they disagree with you, and that you don't care about warnings you receive, including given here at WP:AE regarding WP:ARBPIA. And since you are already trying to find violations, please look at this revert of yours, which at the time you made it was still a violation of the unaltered WP:ARBPIA3 per the "do not restore an undone edit without gaining prior consensus" rule. Debresser (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2017 (UTC) @El_C @Neutrality One can hardly compare my single uncivil edit, which was a direct reply to his incivility (as I said specifically), to Nishidani's systematic pattern of psychological warfare aimed to dissuade editors from disagreeing with him. Especially since he was told here on a previous occasion to stop that behavior, and he simply couldn't care less. Debresser (talk) 15:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC) @Seraphim System It is good to see that all my friends have assembled here. :) I just wanted to react to something very interesting you mention, namely that pro-Palestine editors are targeted here. Please be aware that pro-Israel editors are targeted here even more often, as recent archives can show you. In general, the "we are the victims here" attitude is typical of both parties in any prolonged conflict, read Albert Ellis. Debresser (talk) 18:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC) @Sandstein Lol. Debresser (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC) Discussion concerning NishidaniStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by NishidaniBackground
The Present Instance Debresser, the discussion at Jordan Valley (Middle East), you admit above, was ‘resolved with general consensus’. You also admit that you ‘hardly participated in the discussion, which was mostly between Icewhiz and Nishidani and Kingindian.’ I.e. as I have said to you for donkey’s ages, you don’t participate productively in consensus building. Indeed, that whole discussion began because the page came to my attention when an IP removed material, in violation of ARBPIA30#500, and I restored, while adding a contribution. You immediately reverted that edit, saying, in a totally irrational edit summary, that I needed a consensus to edit that page. This was an amazing thing to say: i.e. that someone with 54,000 edits requires a consensus before editing an I/P page. Yes, this implication really pissed me off.
Many editors have complained about Debresser’s inability to contribute with analytic precision to these disputes. He reverts, doesn’t reply to remonstrations, and, in my regard consistently threatens to get me banned for incivility, which is frustration at the exhaustion of time caused by his revert powers, silence or vague stonewalling (WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, which was what admins noted when he got a 3 month topic ban in July last year). He should be told in very strong terms that a revert must be justified by a clear reference to an intelligible policy guideline, and that one is under an obligation to interact with editors one disagrees with, not just cause endless problems by insisting he, or whoever he supports, is right. Nishidani (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Sandstein. I don’t have much time to waste on a defense, but proposing a 1 month ban wouldn’t change the de facto status quo. Your job's already been done for you, an effective partial permaban is already in place for me on the I/P, save for one article. Apparently administrators have missed this, or it doesn't interest them, but the gravamen of my frustration is that I have been informally banned from editing any I/P article except one, and even there I'm reverted frequently. Any action by arbitrators will only give a formal ARBCOM endorsement of an informal decision by fellow editors with one POV that, in the meantime, has already usurped administrative discretion on this issue. Let me illustrate. I have rarely, except for one article (List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2017) edited in the IP area regularly since January. Of the 2,500+ edits since then, few relate to the I/P area. The very few edits I have undertaken in this area have about a 90% probability of suffering a revert from any one of several people, who in the meantime have reported me for a lack of 'decorum'. I'll just give a few examples (there are plenty more, but I can't afford too much time on this trivia):-
At List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2017
At List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, January–June 2016
13 March 2017 reverts with a false edit summary), as he does on 20 March 2017; on the 29 March 2017 on 31 March 2017 and again by User:Bolter21 13 March 2017 At Jordan Valley (Middle East)
To this one might add that this year at least I have been reported several times basically by the people who keep reverting me. I remember 3:
I know the response already, i.e.these are content disputes. No. Several of those revert stories are utterly farcical (Michael Sfard,Archaeology of Israel,Al-Dawayima massacre,etc) and any neutral review could not but conclude that the reverts were factitious forms of targeting an editor, while ensuring that relevant material one dislikes is kept off the encyclopedia. When no other editor has this degree of reversion imposed on him on the few articles he still touches in the area, it means either after 54,000 edits I am incompetent, or, uniquely, some idiosyncratic POV warrior who throws the caution he exercises on all other articles (where I am never reverted) to the wind, or . . .there is a consistent pattern on editorial enmity over my presence there, by several editors who, with one exception (Bolter21) have never thought that the I/P area must be governed by WP:NPOV, and that they must ensure both sides are duly represented. In any case, I'll make it easy for you guys. I'll retire from Wikipedia. If you can't see even an inkling of something wrong (I readily admit I find a lot of this mechanical revert behavior outrageous stonewalling ), also on the plaintiffs' side, then it is pointless using what time I have to contribute anywhere here.Nishidani (talk) 13:56, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by KingsindianMost of the comments above have little or no relation to the main complaint. Also, many of the comments go both ways: the second "kindergarten" diff was a reply to Debresser's comment to Nishidani to stop being a "patronizing dick", in response to the first diff. I don't know, but this comment by Debresser might count as "denigrating" editors. For context, please read the discussion at Talk:Jordan_Valley_(Middle_East)#Jordan_Valley. The main problem is that the term "Jordan Valley" is ambiguous, having at least three meanings. After a very long discussion, we were able to get a consensus on the scope of the article. As I say on Debresser's user talkpage, the overall discussion was focused on content. All participants brought various sources to the discussion, we argued, and finally got consensus. I call that a success we can build on. I don't know why Debresser chose to bring this complaint here when the discussion was ultimately fruitful. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 22:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC) Statement by HuldraReally, Debresser, really?? Is this the best you can come up with?
Though I wouldn't mind seeing Nishidani using a bit fewer "for fuck's sake" or "
Statement by IcewhizSince I was a side to some of these diffs in Talk:Jordan_Valley_(Middle_East)#Jordan_Valley and Talk:Jordan_Valley_(Middle_East)#Demolitions and evictions in the West Bank - NPOV and UNDUE- I will throw in my 2-cents. I for one, was not offended by incivility thrown my way, I have a thick skin. I was however flummoxed by the initial suggestion to redefine the Jordan Valley as being contained in the West Bank - which was patently absurd (by any definition of the Jordan Valley) - though understandable if one has a knowing of the area only via the very narrow Palestinian human-rights context. I was frustrated by the approx. 27 retorts (to which mostly I responded, I hope civilly) to the refutation of the initial claim and that only approx. a third the Jordan Valley is in the West Bank - something that is quite visible on several maps (which led to whether a map is an accepted source argument). This was a long back and forth on an extremely simple geographical fact, which shouldn't have been that long.Icewhiz (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Statement by Malik ShabazzI have nothing to add about the complaint against Nishidani, but I think Black Kite's suggestion that Debresser be restricted is inappropriate at this point. I don't believe he has a particularly bad record of bringing meritless complaints here against editors with whom he disagrees. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Statement by Sir JosephThis is not the first, nor second, and most likely not third as well, time Nishidani has been brought here or to ANI for civility issues. He is extremely condescending and nasty to editors and really doesn't help make this a pleasant atmosphere for collaboration. He has been warned about this and there does come a point where something has to happen. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Seraphim SystemI don't think there is any denying that editors who are perceived to have a "pro-Palestine" or "anti-Israel" POV are, essentially, targeted in the ARBPIA area. If you ask me, edit summaries to the effect of "reverting POV pushing edit" or "reverting because of editors POV" are also personal comments—but this is usually not considered disruptive or actionable. However, in effect, it is extremely disruptive and it is damaging to NPOV. I don't think it is good to respond with personal comments, but I also understand the immense frustration that stems from the battleground mentality of editors in this area, and the seeming helplessness of admins to contain it. In the highlighted diffs, I see personal attacks that run both ways - I don't think an editor should file a complaint about personal attacks after calling someone a
Statement by No More Mr Nice GuySince Nishidani summoned me here by mentioning my name, I would like to make the following points:
No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Nishidani
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Gahgeer
Editor is now fully aware of restrictions. Assuming good faith and simply closing. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC) |
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The user not meet the criteria for editing the I/P article it was explained to him and he was given an alert about the sanctions and yet he seems to edit the articles anyhow.It seems that per this thread [22] he will continue to edit the articles--Shrike (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning GahgeerStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by GahgeerStatement by GahgeerI really find it strange that there are calls for blocking me because I corrected a subjective description of a commander on a disambiguation page (Red Prince). My edit on that page was simply removing the word "[sic] Terrorist" and replacing it with a commander, a description that was taken from the figure's own Wiki page. I find it strange that this edit stayed there for several months, until I became more active recently (specifically after I made comments on the Talk page of Dalal Mughrabi) in which I pointed to complete false information that was inserted by editing. This is when one user started hounding me and reversed that edit. All my edits were not subjective and merely I either corrected wrong information, provided more content. In some cases, my suggestion resulted in complete overhaul of articles that were otherwise based on fake information. See examples here: Arab Peace Initiative: I corrected a major blunder which attributed the Israeli decision to a completely wrong prime minister. United States foreign aid: Corrected a gross misrepresentation of the US aid to the Palestinian Authority (and discussed it on the Talk page too) Dill: Corrected the Arabic translation of the word Dill. Honor killing: Updated the Palestine section with information on recently passed law. Palestinian Preventive Security: Updated and corrected the information on this page from trusted sources. Francis E. Meloy Jr.: Updated information on CIA findings from recent leaks. Draft: Jihad al-Wazir: Researched and created a profile of this person based on a request on Wikiproject Palestine (it is still a draft). To say that my personal page constitutes a basis for blocking is utter oppression. What is even worse is to make a motion for blocking me because I corrected a disambiguation page that was not protected and was placed as part of the protection rule only by the biased editor who reported me. The protection rules was meant to save articles from vandalism. My record on Wikipedia is everything but that as shown above. I also find it honestly sad that as someone who began to dedicate more time to Wikipedia is being hounded and punished just like this. Wikipedia should welcome new users not bully them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gahgeer (talk • contribs) 10:30, 31 May, 2017 (UTC)
Question by jd2718Does the arbitration decision allow editors to revert Gahgeer's edits on sight? I'm a bit surprised by the automatic reverts. Jd2718 (talk) 20:55, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
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Dbrote
Not actionable. Sandstein 22:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC) |
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I don't ask any sanctions against the user only ECP protection of the RFC.This is similar to this case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive209#Islington Bloor]
Discussion concerning DbroteStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by DbroteA request for comment was made on the talk page of McMahon–Hussein Correspondence. I provided what I believe to be a constructive, non-disruptive comment on that talk page. Shrike argues that this violates WP:ARBPIA3#500/30. WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 states that "All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." My account has fewer than 500 edits, so I fall under the general prohibition. However, an exception to the general prohibition exists: "Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive." My comment falls within that exception. I used the talk page of McMahon–Hussein Correspondence to post a constructive, non-disruptive comment. My action was proper and no enforcement is necessary or appropriate. Shrike points to a subsequent sentence contained within the exception that states "This exception does not apply to other internal project discussions such as AfDs, WikiProjects, noticeboard discussions, etc." I was not involved in "other" internal project discussions. I made a comment to a Talk page, which is explicitly listed as one of the two permitted internal project discussions. This cannot constitute an "other" internal project discussion due to its explicit inclusion. The word "other" (as opposed to a term such as "notwithstanding" or "nonetheless") implies that the subset of internal discussions which fall outside of the exception are those not previously stated (i.e., it explains that the boundary goes no further than explicitly spelled out in the exception; it does not impose limits or restrictions on the previously stated exception). The exception to the exception is inapplicable. Shrike points to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive209#Islington Bloor as a similar case. Ignoring the personal attacks/etc. portion of the ruling, I believe that enforcement action to be wrongly decided for the reasons I've discussed above. Dbrote (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Dbrote
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Archwayh
Archwayh (talk · contribs) blocked one week. Topic ban extended to six months. --NeilN talk to me 19:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC) |
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All listed edits are made in violation of topic-ban, see my comment below.
Just one week ago, Archwayh was topic-banned from American politics for one month. They have since made several edits in violation of the topic-ban. Donald Trump–Russia dossier has en edit notice which clearly shows that the page is under discretionary sanctions. Edits to other pages such as Christopher Steele and Robert Mueller are obviously related to U.S. politics, specifically Donald Trump. Moreover, enforcing administrator reminded Archwayh to
Discussion concerning ArchwayhStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ArchwayhStatement by SagecandorThis one seems pretty straightforward violation. Topic ban still in force [28], followed by edits [29] [30]. Sagecandor (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by MelanieNIt looks like User:Lord Roem has blocked him for a week. --MelanieN (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Archwayh
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DHeyward
Not actionable at this venue as WP:ARBAP2 does not apply to this article. --NeilN talk to me 04:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Discussion concerning DHeywardStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by DHeywardHow is the london terror attack under American Politics? I'm not sure how one can edit war with a single copyedit and no reverts. And the page move wasn't against consensus, it was made, reverted and it's now on the ttalk page per BRD (I started that talk page discussion, BTW, after my move was reverted. There was noo edit war. - here's the diff). Sagecandor is being a busybody that needs to stop templating regulars and discuss rationally. I velieve he was just brought here for AP2 and maybe he needs a topic ban himself especially if it broadly covers London terror attacks. --DHeyward (talk) The extent of my edits to Mike Pence was replacing "also wrote of his condolences" to "offered his condolence." That's it. One edit. Not a revert. A copyedit that made it through after edit conflicts. The hysteria is large even by Wikipedia standards. --DHeyward (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC) But let's look at the ingenuous nature of this frivoulous complaint:
All of the sanctions he noted were reversed but he fails to note that. If ever there was a time for a boomerang... --DHeyward (talk) 02:28, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by MrXAn edit about the current U.S. vice president most certainly does fall under post-1932 politics. DHeyward's string of personal attacks, which continued even after being warned by an admin, are shameful.- MrX 02:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Statement by ThryduulfI'm about to go to bed so I'll keep this brief.
Statement by KingsindianIt would have been better if Sagecandor, instead of templating DHeyward, had simply told the latter what their problem was. It turns out that DHeyward copyedited a comment involving Mike Pence, and it was removed by someone else while they were copyediting it. A simple, courteous request would have settled the matter. Trouts all around. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 02:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by PeterTheFourthDHeyward has been formally admonished by the arbitration committee for violations of WP:NPA in the past. PeterTheFourth (talk) 03:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by DumuzidDHeyward and I have crossed paths once or twice. I don't think there's much on which we agree; I wouldn't be surprised if he has applied some colorful invective to me in the past -- though always, so far as I know, privately. All that being said, I find this complaint pretty thin gruel for all the reasons already stated. In addition, I don't find his "attacks" particularly troubling but for the overly vulgar way in which he expresses them. If it were up to me, I'd say there should be an admonishment to make more respectful word choices, but other than that, everyone should carry on. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 04:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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- Carter Page (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I'm not a veteran of AE, but I believe this is not the usual type of AE request. WP:AC/DS was very recently amended to explicitly allow editors to request removal/modification of DS page restrictions at AE. I'd like to request the removal of restrictions on Carter Page. As far as I can tell that page has seen zero disruption from the start and was only subjected to DS restrictions preemptively on April 12 because the subject was associated with Donald Trump. However, Mr. Page had been in the news in connection with Trump for months before that with no disruption. In fact the article has been pretty darn sleepy. I see no basis for maintaining DS restrictions.
In an abundance of caution I'm sending an AE notice to the imposing admin, who is on an indefinite wikibreak. They rejected my request to remove the restrictions. I hold nothing against them; I think their general approach to page restrictions is reasonable, but I just happen to disagree in some instances, and I hope a consensus of admins will agree with me. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- GoldenRing, I have no reason for thinking this particular page restriction is a problem beyond the fact that these sorts of page restrictions have substantial costs associated with them (e.g. they slow down or inhibit productive editing) and therefore shouldn't be imposed on articles that haven't exhibited the types of problems that DS page restrictions are designed to address, e.g. persistent disruption. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- EdJohnston, ARBPIA is quite a different thing because in that case ArbCom intentionally imposed preemptive restrictions across an entire topic that was seeing particularly widespread and persistent disruption. No such decision was made in post-1932 American politics. As I've done a lot of editing on Trump-related articles the last few months, I can attest that the disruption in Trump-related article space has been in a much narrower set of articles. Carter Page is a great example (of many) of a Trump-related article that has seen minimal disruption. As for the question of whether it's worth the effort to review these sorts of restrictions, it's undeniable that DS page restrictions such as these impose substantial costs on the project, otherwise they would be the default across all of Wikipedia. And this isn't meant to be snarky, but if you don't think it's worth your time to review such modification requests, then don't review them. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Carter Page
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Statement by Sagecandor
Agree with EdJohnston. The restrictions should not be removed. Also agree with EdJohnston that it hopefully helps encourage more talk page discussion. The topic is subject to an active investigation ongoing and to be elaborated upon more in testimony upcoming later this week. That would lead to increased activity and likely increased controversy. As for the question posed by GoldenRing, the restrictions are not posing harm to the article and could hopefully only prove to encourage others to discuss proposals more with each other. Sagecandor (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
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Discussion among uninvolved administrators
- @DrFleischman:: I don't have an immediate opinion on this, but do you think the restrictions are doing some sort of harm to the article? I'm not opposed to the view that needless restrictions could be removed, but I'm trying to figure out whether you just think this is a needless restriction that could be rescinded or if there's some particular reason you think the restriction is a problem. GoldenRing (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree with Dennis on this one. While I can see the potential for disruption on this page, I find Sagecandor's reasoning unpersuasive; if
the restrictions are not posing harm to the article and could hopefully only prove to encourage others to discuss proposals more with each other
then why don't we start a big RfC to just impose 1RR on the whole site? Absent actual evidence of disruption on this page, I think the restriction should be lifted, with no prejudice against re-imposing it if editing there does become disruptive. Of course, if anyone wants to present diffs of actual disruption that would justify the restriction, that would be a different matter. GoldenRing (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree with Dennis on this one. While I can see the potential for disruption on this page, I find Sagecandor's reasoning unpersuasive; if
- I would lean towards agreeing to lift restrictions because I think the default state of the article is naturally to be unrestricted and we shouldn't use restrictions unless there is a clear need. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- To be clear, I apply this logic to any page that is not obviously under the Arb ruling for politics and is only tangentially political in any way. And of course, if there are problems on any article that relates to politics post-32, then it makes sense to put the restrictions on them for the period of time it is likely to continue. Without evidence of actual disruption, I'm still inclined to lift restrictions. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- I would prefer more admin input before anyone jumps, I think we are at kind of a stalemate and the perspective of others is greatly appreciated. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:46, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- The article on Carter Page is a bona-fide Trump-related page, and the connections to Russia suggest it may remain controversial. I would be opposed to lifting the DS unless there is some general reason for believing that the Trump and Russia issues have become less controversial. Trying to lift this page sanction by itself would be like trying to pick and choose individual ARBPIA pages for exemption; not likely to be worth the effort, or worth the time spent in reviewing the issue. Talk:Carter Page remains open for proposals to anyone who wants to improve the article. Anyway this is Template:American politics AE which is just a kind of a 1RR and is not even a 500/30 restriction. The article itself is open to everyone for editing including IPs. EdJohnston (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with Ed as well as with Dennis but, on the balance, I'd support lifting the restrictions in place (even though the timing is probably not ideal). Absent actual disruption, we should err on the side of fewer restrictions. --regentspark (comment) 17:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Md iet
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Statement by Md ietNow I understand the importance of reliable sources and why it is required for a reliable encyclopedia like of Wikipedia. My earlier mistake was due to confusion that real facts are self qualified for inclusion with mere justification. No justifications are valid without valid proof. My editing after my unblock indicates the clear change. I think more than one year is sufficient period and method of contribution to Wikipedia during the period also need consideration to give me a chance for this appeal to contribute further to Wiki
Statement by EdJohnstonAs the banning admin, I am OK with lifting User:Md iet's topic ban from the Dawoodi Bohra. Before doing so I'll wait to see if any of the admins commenting below have concerns about Md iet's editing and want to keep the ban in place. The original dispute was about whether to declare a specific contender as the new head of the Dawoodi Bohra. That dispute is now mostly over since the rival candidate died. I haven't noticed any recent edits by Md iet that would cause concern, so the ban no longer seems necessary. I trust that Md iet will be aware that any changes about the Dawoodi Bohra have to be neutral and must not be promotional. The topic of female genital mutilation as practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra remains controversial and any changes should have consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1)Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Md iet
Result of the appeal by Md iet
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Al-Andalusi
Al-Andalusi is banned from all edits and pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed, for a period of six months. GoldenRing (talk) 08:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Al-Andalusi
Discussion concerning Al-AndalusiStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Al-AndalusiStatement by IcewhizMy personal opinion, as a participant in "Acid Throwing" was that most of Al-Andalusi's editing wasn't helpful. I'd like to point out that he also committed a 1RR violation in these diffs: [50] - Revision as of 21:18, 2 June 2017 - blanket return of information. which was a 2nd revert in relation to piecemeal removal of the same items 8 hours earlier: [51] [52] (besides being against talk-page consensus, particularly "Suyuf al-Haq" (Swords of Righteousness) which was discussed at length) He was asked by me to self-revert: [53]. His response was to delete (without archiving I believe) the request from his talk page: [54]. This is material clearly under the I/P area - particularly the 2nd revert of an acid attack by a Palestinian on a Jewish family.Icewhiz (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Al-Andalusi
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Al-Andalusi
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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Al-Andalusi
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Capitals00 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Al-Andalusi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles :
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
He got topic banned from all Palestine-Israel articles hardly a few hours ago, and he has violated the topic ban already by writing on the talk page regarding the same West Bank and Gaza Strip section.
The talk sections concerns his edits[57][58] where the same paragraph goes to mention First Intifada, and other one describes attacks on Israeli family by Palestinian as part of Israel-Palestine conflicts.
Al-Andalusi also made personal attack on other editor "are you being dramatic here like the vinegar family?"[59]
This comes after his acknowledgement of topic ban on his talk page.[60] Capitals00 (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- Topic ban for 6 months from all Palestine-Israel.[61]
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
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Discussion concerning Al-Andalusi
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by Al-Andalusi
Nonsense. My comments came under talk sections concerning acid thrown within Gaza, and in no way are about the Palestine-Israel conflict. The 1st section "More than 18 attacks" describes acid attacks on Gaza residents, while the 2nd section "Hamas' reaction" describes Hamas torture allegations in Gaza. Now, if it is your belief that Gaza is part of Israel, and hence any discussion involving Gaza entails that I "violated" an alleged topic ban that I did not agree to, then that's an entirely different story. Al-Andalusi (talk) 03:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Statement by Uanfala
- Just noting that the topic ban was enacted (see the thread immediately above) less than four hours after the case was opened, and before the accused party or any uninvolved editors have had the opportunity to comment. There's some discussion of that at User talk:GoldenRing#Topic ban of Al-Andalusi. – Uanfala 00:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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Result concerning Al-Andalusi
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