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Interfase is wrong to characterise this content dispute as vandalism, see [[WP:NOTVANDALISM]]. They have engaged in forbidden edit-warring. Because of their recurring problems with edit-warring, I suggest a permanent [[WP:1RR]] restriction for them in the [[WP:ARBAA]] topic area, and an arbitration enforcement warning for the IP. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</font>]]</span></small> 07:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Jiujitsuguy
Appeal is declined at this time. Jiujitsuguy may file another appeal following further positive editing in no less than three months. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by JiujitsuguyPer the advice and constructive criticism offered by Stifle[1] and concurrence of Cailil [2] I am resubmitting my appeal. In the break between my last appeal and the instant one, I have created articles and added content on a variety of subjects including archeology, orthopedics, military history and weapon systems[3]. I have edited constructively, in a collegial, collaborative and non-confrontational manner. I understand now that my previous editing pattern was abrasive and tendentious. In addition, rather than seeking to reconcile differences with a colleague with whom I was having a dispute, I moved too quickly to AE, which was entirely inappropriate. AE should never be used as a tool to silence anyone and should be avoided when possible. I will try hard not to repeat the past mistakes that have led me to the instant topic ban, now in its 14th month. I also wish to offer my sincerest apologies to T. Canens for misconstruing his disciplinary actions and acting with haste in making groundless accusations against him. I blame my lack of maturity for the tasteless outburst and I am embarrassed by it. I sincerely hope that in light of my constructive editing, the fact that I've expressed contrition and recognize my mistakes, the fact that I’ve embraced the suggestions of the aforementioned syops rather than arguing with them, the fact that I’ve already been banned for a year and two months and the fact that I have zealously adhered to the provisions of the topic ban, that the ban be lifted. Whichever way you decide, I thank you for taking the time to consider my appeal and will of course respect your decision. I do however, hope that you will look favorably upon it. Thank you.
Statement by Timotheus CanensDiscussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by JiujitsuguyStatement by The Devil's AdvocateJiujitsuguy had appealed the topic ban just two months ago and has only made 113 edits in the past month and made no edits in the month immediately following his appeal. This second appeal seems hasty, especially given the reason for his topic ban from ARPBIA areas. I think this appeal should be declined. Perhaps AE admins should consider giving JJG some strict bounds determining when he can appeal again. Not just a time limit, but strict editing criteria so that he will not be able to appeal until he has truly demonstrated editing that makes a future appeal worthy of some consideration.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 20:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeaves100% in agreement with TDA's statement. Nothing in their actions show substantive changes which are required for appeals - mostly there's no changes because they've done nothing, and thus cannot prove anything ES&L 21:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC) Statement by AgadaUrbanitThe ban is quite old, from July 2012. AE's aim is not to punish, but try to prevent further disruption. If editors follow guidance of administrators in good faith, the evidence is the constructive contributions, it is reasonable to assume that their ban to be lifted. I doubt that quantity is not sufficient, and clearly it is not a question of quantity, rather a question of quality. I reviewed JJG's latest contributions which beyond doubt improve this tree of knowledge we're growing here. Therefore I would not mind JJG's ban to be lifted. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 12:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC) Statement by MarokwitzBased on past activity, I believe that Jiujitsuguy can be a good and constructive editor. I believe his/her recent statements and edits are good evidence that the editor would conduct himself differently in the future. Therefore I recommend lifting the topic ban. The editor can always be topic banned again, if the need arises, so I see no risk in giving him another chance. Marokwitz (talk) 11:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC) Statement by RolandRIndeed, "the editor can always be topic banned again". As he has been several times already: indefinitely in August 2010[4], for three months in December 2010[5], six months in March 2011[6] extended for a further two months in July 2011[7], and indefinitely in both January 2012[8]and July 2012[9]. Therre seems very little evidence here of improvement or of learning from experience. RolandR (talk) 12:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC) Result of the appeal by Jiujitsuguy
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by GRuban
Appeal declined. Sandstein 07:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by GRubanFrom this diff and this explanation it looks like KoshVorlon was blocked for insisting on retaining the justification for his !vote on Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request, specifically: "Bradley Manning is a guy". This is selective enforcement: Fluffernutter writes "The discussion guidelines made clear that comments about what gender you feel Manning is or is allowed to be are off-topic", however you will notice that the justifications "Chelsea Manning is a woman" by User:Georgia guy, "she is a woman", by User:Konveyor Belt, and "Chelsea Manning is a woman", by User:I JethroBT have been allowed to stand. This has been extensively discussed on the Fluffernutter's talk page, and on WP:ANI, where she requested any appeal be made at WP:AE. [12][13] So here it is. (FWIW, I haven't voiced an opinion in the move request itself.) --GRuban (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Statement by FluffernutterTo excerpt the explanation I gave yesterday about why I redacted part (not all) of Kosh's comment in the RM: "I am attending to the RM solely in an administrative capacity, and my goal is to keep the conversation from running off the rails into BLP violations and personal attacks. In light of that, "[person who identifies as a woman] is a woman" is neither inflammatory (you'll notice that no one from any side of the dispute has objected to comments of that type prior to this) nor a potential BLP violation (a significant portion of the community feels that denying a transperson's gender identity is problematic on BLP grounds, but no one feels that affirming it or not addressing it is a BLP violation). So comments affirming Manning's gender identity may be contrary to the guidelines, but they are benign in comparison to comments refuting it, which have been shown to cause ill will and disruptive derails, and I am trying to use the lightest touch possible in adminning the RM. I took (and will take) the step of redacting someone's comment only in the case of things that are likely to cause serious issue." I will also note that I have removed similarly problematic commentary from the other "side" of the discussion. Again, my goal here is to not allow the discussion to slide into the type of personalized free-for-all that doomed the last one. Accusations that I am somehow "selectively censoring" users' opinions to sway the vote one way or another because I am somehow "involved" are both perplexing and, honestly, hurtful while I'm trying to do an utterly thankless job that every other admin was too wise to attempt.As far as Kosh Vorlon's block, it was not because he held a particular opinion, but because he repeatedly reverted a discretionary sanctions action in what appeared to be the heat of anger. Despite my making multiple attempts to explain how discretionary sanctions work and how and where my action could be appealed (and, indeed, allowing that my actions could certainly be mistaken as I'm only one person, so he should feel free to appeal), Kosh instead chose to edit war his commentary back into the RM with comments like "censored by impartial admin because IDON'TLIKEIT works for admins", "Calling bullshit bullshit" (both at [14]), and "Revert me again fluffernutter and I'll revert right back. You have NO RIGHT to revert me per WP:TPO READ IT" ([15]). And indeed, all this reverting was done while Kosh was under a 0RR restriction.
Statement by AutomaticStrikeoutThis is a very clear case of selective enforcement, in my opinion. Furthermore, I would suggest that Fluffernutter's involvement in the dispute over Kosh's original comment was such that Fluffernutter should have felt comfortable issuing a block. Certainly, the topic ban was excessive and should be immediately repealed. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 15:40, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @ Fluffernutter: If you think it is problematic to !vote on the basis that Manning is not a woman, but then you imply that is not problematic to !vote on the basis that Manning is a woman, haven't you shown that you are biased as to the outcome of the RfC? AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 15:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @ Fluffernutter: If it's not possible to state that Manning is not currently a woman without getting into trouble, what is the point of having the RfC? AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 16:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @ I JethroBT: "...implied disbelief that Manning would ever be a woman..." Kosh stated that Manning hasn't changed gender yet. I don't see how that implies that Kosh believes Manning will never change gender. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 16:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @ EdJohnston: Kosh can't come here and make the appeal himself because he's blocked. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 17:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @ Knowledgekid87: The block was for one week. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 14:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC) It has become apparent that the fight against abusive misuse of admin powers is a losing cause. Shame on Wikipedia. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 14:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Statement by I JethroBTWhile I do not defend Kosh's reverts, I will mention that any instance of pronoun usage (i.e. he or she; his or her) is not substantially different than what I and others (including Kosh) have stated: it expresses an opinion about the gender of the individual, plain and simple. There are many such comments on both sides (and while it is technically possible to avoid pronouns altgoether, it's not exactly convenient given the nature of the discussion.) I do not believe it is fair to redact comments on that basis, whether editors plainly state Manning as a man or a woman. That said, Kosh's comments did not merely include such a declarative statement of gender, but implied disbelief that Manning would ever be a woman on whatever subjective terms Kosh deems sufficient. I believe fluffernutter's actions were appropriate given prior concern that these statements are needlessly inflammatory. I, JethroBT drop me a line 16:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC) @AutomaticStrikeout: Statement by FloqAt the risk of muddying the waters, I should point out that the 0RR restriction that Fluffernutter mentions above was an informal agreement between Kosh and me, not something imposed on him by ArbCom or ANI or anything. It was voluntary in the sense that we agreed that if he followed those rules, the problems that were making me consider an RFC/U would go away. And they basically have, until now; those were the real problem areas. The reason I suggested the 0RR restriction was for cases just like this, where he tended to revert in the heat of the moment, seeing only his side of the argument. If he had stuck with the agreement, he wouldn't be blocked right now. That said, I can't really argue with the block, and haven't got the time to investigate the overarching issue of even-handedness or fairness or what have you. I think the duration could be safely reduced to time served if he agreed to abide by those rules, except that the stupid, childish attack account he created on Meta gives me no reason to bother lobbying for it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Sorry, one more comment while I'm here: I think a third party request like this should be OK, particularity since the issue is not only the KV block, but also the claim (which I stress again, I am not making, just saying it's there) of selective enforcement. This seems like a reasonable thing for AE to look into. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Statement by TParisJust noting, so it doesn't get lost in Fluffernutter's comments, that she has not been one-sided.--v/r - TP 18:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Statement by -scheBecause admins took a hands-off approach to it, the previous Manning RM descended so deeply into a pit of ugly quarrelling about things unrelated to the policy question of "what should this article be titled?" that after nearly two million bytes of Arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee appears poised to topic-ban numerous editors from different sides of the dispute. Fluffernutter's largely thankless efforts to keep the current RM running more smoothly and on-track by redacting off-topic, inflammatory portions of several comments, including Kosh's comment and comments like this, are among the factors which have so far kept this RM from descending anywhere near as far back into the aforementioned pit. Fluffernutter has shown restraint and allowed many questionable comments, and the underlying !votes of partially redacted comments, to stand (whereas the first RM's closers said they discarded/ignored off-topic votes entirely in their close). In short, her redaction of Kosh's comment was appropriate, her block of Kosh after he edit-warred was an appropriate discretionary sanction, and the topic-ban she issued, while perhaps a bit long, is an appropriate measure (in light of Kosh's previous comments re Manning / the Manning article) to prevent recurrence of problematic behaviour. -sche (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Statement by KoshVorlon as emailed to AutomaticStrikeoutI actually can't use the template on my page as I'm IP locked per Teles on meta.wikipedia.org. (I'm locked untill Oct 8 2013 - and no, I don't want it removed. I did what he said I did and I'll take my medicine for it ). You may want to check Fluffernutter's diffs (especially where she says I reverted her), you'll find I didn't revert her at all. I removed her text saying she's redacted part of my vote, but I didn't re-insert my vote the first time. The sequenece of events is this: 1.) I posted my vote as on the Bradley Manning move page: here Fluffernutter reverted me here I began talking to her on her page. She was reverted by by MzMcbride here. Consensus on her talk page became three to one , however, she insisted that she was right and that consensus didn't matter and she reverted against consensus here (she's now at 2rr). She placed a note at this time saying " Material redacted from this comment pursuant to discretionary sanctions. Do not restore except after following the appeal procedures listed there ". I changed only her note, but did not resotore my original text here , (Admnittedly that wasn't smart, but, I didn't revert her ) Fluffernutter hit 3RR here I remnoved my vote entireley, re-wrote the vote to have only policy reasons on it and yes, I did add text on the top stating that it had been censored by Fluffernutter and posted it.
Fluffernutter went over 3rr here
——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— The above was sent to me via email by Kosh, who gave me permission to post it here. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 01:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Further remarks from KoshVorlon: I read Sandstein's comments and am dissapoinated , as it seems (unless I mis-understand what he's saying ) that he's stating that's it's okay for Fluffernutter to break 3rr (which is a bright line rule), violate consensus (which is a cornerstone of Wikipedia), selectively enforce an (at this time ) uneforceable "discretionary" restriction. I saw unenforceable because the version she's attempting to enforce is still a draft version and not an approved version, not because I don't believe in Arbcomm's ability to enforce the existing version of the sanction. The existing (and approved ) version of this sanction here. This version , firstly, doesn't include anything related to the Manning article at all, second, it states that enforcemant can be taken if: if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to a topic within the area of conflict or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; imposition of mandated external review; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. Please note "expected standards of behaviro , or any normal editorial process". I added a vote (B), Fluffernutter reverted (R) , I discussed (D), this is normal editorial process. Normal behavior includes not violating 3RR, obeserving consensus (which Flufffnutter did not ) observing WP:TPO (which she did not ). Also note at the top it states: Any uninvolved administrator She is not uninvolved, therefore her restriction is moot. Further there is nothing in the approved version of sanctions that pertains to WP:LOCAL CONSENSUS. (It exists on the draft version only - which has yet to be approved and it therefore not enforceable at this time ) I violated at best 1RR and only that. I respectfully request the block be lifted and the ban be removed , I further request the right to revert Fluffernutter's revert Comment by Knowledgekid87I feel that Fluffernutter was justified in the block but not for the topic ban as that is a bit over the top.
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by GRubanKoshVorlon's emailed comments have now been added here by AutomaticStrikeout. (It is unclear at this stage whether this request can be considered as a legitimate appeal.) The discussion guidelines on the RM page explicitly warned about avoiding discussion of gender and indicated that discretionary sanctions applied to the RM discussion. KoshVorlon ignored those guidelines at the time; appeared unwilling to recognize that fluffernutter was acting in an administrative capacity enforcing DS; and in reverting on the RM page left an inflammatory edit summary. The creation of an attack account on Meta confirms that he was acting in an unreasonable and aggressive manner. As others have pointed out, fluffernutter's redaction of Arkady Rose's comments shows that she was acting in an even-handed way. The account of events copied here from KoshVorlon's email does not seem particularly reliable. "Redaction" and "reversion" have been confused. In addition he still has not acknowledged that fluffernutter was acting as an administrator and, going one step further, appears to be accusing her of edit warring. Mathsci (talk) 03:30, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Comment by KyohyiThe question comes down to wether or not Fluffernutter's methods of facilitating the discussion can be construed as an administrative action, and wether or not they made them involved. Discretionary Sanctions allow an uninvolved administrator to sanction an editor in areas related to the sanctions. The question then comes to what is a sanction, is redacting an editors comments considered a sanction? Is redacting an editors comments an administrative action? If the answers to these questions are Yes, and Yes then Fluffernutter remained uninvolved and only acted in an administrative capacity, and those comments cannot be re-instated without coming to AE. If not, then Fluffernutter may have become involved while not intending to, and if involved, their block and ban of Kosh would be in violation of Discretionary Sanctions. --Kyohyi (talk) 14:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Comment by NE EntObjection to close by non-involved admin [16]. Closing this request on technical grounds is not in the best interests of Wikipedia; editors in good standing and good faith have expressed legitimate concerns about application of discretionary sanctions. Per two of our five pillars, Editors should treat each other with respect and civility and Wikipedia does not have firm rules, more good will come out of reviewing Fluffernuffer's them -- and, I believe, eventually validating and explaining her actions -- than simply slapping a close tag on it. Such a closure would not necessarily end the dispute, as filing editors would have the option of direct appeal to the committee or opening a RFC/U, neither of which would be a productive use of wikitime. NE Ent 11:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC) Result of the appeal by GRuban
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Mathsci
The request is being examined by the Arbitration Committee. Sandstein 07:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Mathsci
On 17 September 2013, Mathsci was given an interaction ban between him and I. Soon after, Mathsci announced he was taking a break. The day he returned, he posted an image on his userpage and linked to two Wikipedia articles in the caption he placed with the image. The first wikilink is the name of my organization of employment. The second wikilink is to an article on the small community in which I reside. It has been there for two days. Someone brought it to my attention today. As you should be aware, Mathsci has a history of escalating disputes like this with other editors. He has outed other editors on four separate occasions. He has pursued editors in which he was involved in a dispute to other noticeboards or Internet forums where they participate. Of all the threatening behavior I've ever witnessed in my seven years of Wikipedia participation, I have never seen one rise to this level. I did not email ArbCom because Mathsci has made it clear in several recent comments that he has an inside connection with at least one, if not more ArbCom members [20]. Therefore, since I cannot trust that they will handle this correctly, I have no choice but to post it here publicly, at great risk of my privacy. I ask that the administrators please make Mathsci stop. Once done, please oversight the image edit from his userpage, then oversight this enforcement request. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Could someone please notify Mathsci? Cla68 (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Discussion concerning MathsciStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MathsciApologies to Sandstein for the lateness of this response. Yesterday I was away from home and received an unexpected invitation to stay in Aubagne. I probably would have been away longer had it not been for equally unexpected thunderstorms. I am perplexed by this enforcement request. It is the fourth time that Cla68 has suggested using arbcom processes in some way or other concerning me. The first was on 22 October 2012; the second on 5 December 2012; and the third on 4 July 2013. This request concerns the fourth version of my user page, always an anodyne uninformative page which has never been watchlisted or viewed by more than a handful of wikipedia editors in any of its versions. The first image in this latest version was an engraving of John Knox admonishing Mary, Queen of Scots by the Scottish engraver John Burnet, after Sir William Allan. The second image had a reconciliation theme similar to content I added to an article on Korea at the end of 2012.[21] The information in the original caption of the second image was derived entirely from the file name, its description and what is contained on wikipedia, sometimes as redlinks. The image file was uploaded to Commons by BotMultichillT from an official US site. Neither the caption nor the file name contains even a vague reference to anything or anyone connected with the "behind the scenes" world of wikipedia. Images on my user page in its previous versions have included various breeds of sheep, organ grinders' monkeys, an Ortolan bunting, biblical scenes, Grimm's fairy tales, scenes from Struwwelpeter, Max and Moritz, the French Revolution, the Guthrie center, monuments named after St Cuthbert, etc. All the images were chosen on a whim. The Ortolan bunting was posted after somebody told me how he had eaten Ortolan accompanied by armagnac with a napkin over his head. The images have never been intended to communicate anything to others, although, as with the Ortolan, they might have had some obscure quirky private meaning for me. Itsmejudith did once express an interest in the sheep; I also vaguely remember having an email discussion about Cuthbert with Anthony (AGK). My user talk page was recently protected by NuclearWarfare after Mikemikev posted the youtube video originally used to mock Steven Rubenstein's death last year. Anthony (AGK) changed the protection level on my user page a day or two later. Both responded to my private request in a kind and professional way. Beyond the level of courtesy and helpfulness from arbitrators which is extended to everybody, I am not aware of any special relationship with arbitrators, oversighters, checkusers or administrators; nor of any edits I have made that would suggest any such relationship. 3 months ago arbitrators did change a decision of the oversight team in removing an external link to a page on a problematic external site. As far as images go, the same image will have different meanings for different viewers. I have posted a new image related to something I saw in the the Musée Ziem in Martigues yesterday.Mathsci (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeavesAs much as I think I'm on reasonable terms with Mathsci (I could be wrong, of course), but if there were such obvious attempts at outing (regardless of the IB), is there a reason why they are not indef-blocked right now? See User:Ecoleetage and others for precedent? ES&L 14:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Statement by Demiurge1000The Wikipediocracy thread "Deconstructing Wikipedia User Mathsci" was edited by a user there "Cla68" at the following times:
(screenshots available on request to anyone with oversight privs) Now, it being off-wiki, Cla68 can say what he likes there of course, but it does hint that Cla68 did not choose to walk away from Mathsci after the interaction ban, but instead chose to provoke him off-site a little. Cla68 is a "Global Moderator" on that website, and his fellow "Global Moderators" also commented on that same topic ("Deconstructing Wikipedia User Mathsci") at the following times after 17 September (I'm not listing all the ones before):
There are plenty more similar comments (and maybe some from "global moderators" that I missed) by some other enwiki-banned editors there. I believe Mathsci is prevented from posting there (I could be wrong, and at least one trustee and one admin of the website are still able to post to English Wikipedia so can clarify that if necessary) thus unable to respond to deliberate provocations there. Why is this relevant? Because it shows (in my opinion) there was no intention to step away from MathSci, but rather to continue provoking him. I think Cla68 should be asked his views on his fellow forum users who posted photos of people they believed were MathSci, with mocking comments about them. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
@Collect - the important difference here is that, instead of MathSci making an edit saying "I know Cla68 lives in the space base on Pluto", or even "I know where Cla68 lives", what we instead have is Cla68 making a claim (in essence) "the photo/caption added to MathSci's userpage mentioned the town where I live, and because this can not be a coincidence, it must have been an attempt to intimidate me". So really it's not a claim of "outing" as such, but rather a claim of intimidation. Because of the nature of the claim, it is up to Cla68 to confirm that the picture or caption really do refer to something non-coincidentally related to him (and thus deliberate). It is Cla68 making the accusation, thus the burden of proof rests with him. Imagine, if you like, that someone who has recently been in disagreements with you, came to arbitration enforcement tomorrow and said that they live in Huntington Beach, and therefore your use of a image and ALT text referencing Huntington Beach must be "outing" aimed at them. There are some significant differences (such as the image's widespread usage in a template), but even so, would you want AE people to just take the complainant's word for it? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
The current revision of Cla68's user page contains the text "please check out Wikipediocracy", with the last word there being a link to the website of the same name. Cla68 is a "Global Moderator" of that website. For considerable periods of time during the timeframe in question, the front page of that website has included Cla68's full name. Thus, it's true that Cla68 has never included text equivalent to "my real name is John Smith" in an edit he made to Wikipedia; but it is totally true that Cla68 made an edit to Wikipedia "please see this website" and his website proudly displayed his full real name. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC) Query from CollectIs "attempted outing" (that is the posting of material relating to a location and place of employment) required to be proven accurate to be actionable, or is the apparent intent, whether accurate or not, actionable? I seem to recall discussions where it is the intent and not the accuracy which is at issue generally, and so it is improper to ask the outed party whether the information is accurate, or worse yet, to have to prove the accuracy. Am I in error on this? Collect (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2013 (UTC) Comments by CardamonIf user A claims that user B is person C, and user B has never connected himself to person C on-wiki, that is attempted outing and, under our rules, person A can be indeffed. If person A says that person B lives in town C, and works at organization D, and person C has never done anything on-wiki to connect himself with town C or organization D, that is also attempted outing. But if person A wikilinks to town C and organization D, and then person B pops up and says “Hey, that’s me! He just outed me! Ban him!” then person A did not out person B, although person B may have outed himself. If we were to establish a principle that any person A can be banned because some person B claims without proof that a couple of wikilinks refer to him (person B), all prolific Wikipedians would be at risk. So Mathsci did not out Cla68. Whether Mathsci violated his interaction ban depends to a considerable extent on who Cla68 is. (Remember the Essjay case, in which a former arbitrator was found to have lied about who he was. It can be a mistake to take a Wikipedian’s unsupported word as to his identity.) However, Cla68’s identity should not be investigated in public. So my suggestion is that Arbcom should take up this enforcement request privately (Sandstein already said something much like this), and that this request be deleted, as Cla68 asked. Cardamon (talk) 23:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
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Result concerning MathsciThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
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Interfase
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Interfase
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Interfase (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
In the Gyumri article, Interfase added an old image of local Azerbaijanis. An IP 188.255.44.254 (talk · contribs) removed it, while Interfase (as you can see above) reverted the IP for 14 times! As a result, the article is protected for 10 days.
Also, I'd like to point out Interfase's past troublesome behavior
- blocked for 48 hours for edit warring in the topic area per an AE report in August 2009 [22]
- placed under restriction for 3 months because of disruptive editing in March 2010 [23]
- blocked for 60 hours in September 2012 for edit warring [24]
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- Notified [25]
Discussion concerning Interfase
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
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Statement by Interfase
Not only I reverted IP 188.255.44.254, but also user EuroCarGT [26][27]. I still think that edits of this IP is just vandalism and an anti-Azerbaijani action. Reverts of the vandals is not edir warring. But, however, after warning by administrator, I'll not return my edit, because I already initiated a discussion on this issue on Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. --Interfase (talk) 07:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
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Result concerning Interfase
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Interfase is wrong to characterise this content dispute as vandalism, see WP:NOTVANDALISM. They have engaged in forbidden edit-warring. Because of their recurring problems with edit-warring, I suggest a permanent WP:1RR restriction for them in the WP:ARBAA topic area, and an arbitration enforcement warning for the IP. Sandstein 07:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)