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== Senkaku Islands == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) '''at''' 09:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC) |
'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) '''at''' 09:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by |
=== Statement by Qwyrxian === |
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[[Senkaku Islands]] and [Senkaku Islands dispute]] have been the subject of dispute as far back as 2003 (See [[Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 1]]). [[Senkaku Islands]] has been protected 5 times, including twice in the past year, and is currently fully protected. [[Senkaku Islands dispute]] has been protected 5 times since its creation in October 2010, and is currently fully protected. The issues being debated range from individual word and grammatical choices, to identifying and interpreting RS's, to overall organization. One of the most persistent arguments revolves around the article title itself. The page has been moved unilaterally several times (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Senkaku+Islands page logs]), but was moved back each time. Various steps of dispute resolution have been taken; none have succeeding in ending the disputes. Specifically: |
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*July 2007—[[Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move]]: Request to move to "Pinnacle Islands". |
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*September 2009—[[Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move 2]]: Request to move to "Pinnacle Islands". |
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*November 2010—[[Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 6#What should the title of this article be?]]: RfC on the article title. |
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*May – July 2011—[[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Senkaku Islands]]: MedCom mediation. |
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Also, issues relating to these pages have been raised on noticeboards and Wikitalk pages, including '''[[WP:NORN]]''' ([[Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard/Archive 15#Figure captions in Senkaku Island/Diaoyutai article]]), '''[[WP:NPOVN]]''' ([[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 20#Long running dispute on Senkaku Islands dispute]]), '''[[WP:ANI]]''' ([[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive8#Senkaku Islands stolen?]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive644#Senkaku Islands dispute]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive712#Senkaku Islands - admin COI intervention]]), '''[[WT:NCGN]]''' (4 discussions, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Senkaku&prefix=Wikipedia+talk%3ANaming+conventions+%28geographic+names%29%2F&fulltext=Search+archives&fulltext=Search search results]), and possibly others. |
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The aforementioned Mediation failed. It closed after numerous editors were unable to behave and stay on topic; eventually, several editors abandoned mediation and it closed without any useful result. These behavioral problems have been rampant on the article talk pages and related user talk pages since 2010. Some editors have held that no matter what consensus says, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute&diff=next&oldid=427199414 the current article title will never be acceptable]. Others have used [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASenkaku_Islands&action=historysubmit&diff=442785082&oldid=442630389 baiting and borderline personal attacks]. Others [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASenkaku_Islands_dispute&action=historysubmit&diff=444588465&oldid=444453317 overwhelm the talk page with extremely complex and nearly impossible to follow philosophical arguments and graphics]. One editor was taken to WQA for xyr behaviors on these pages ([[Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance/archive99#User:Bobthefish2]]); another was the subject of an RFC/U ([[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tenmei]]). While in the past I had hoped to use the DR process to solve our problems, I have come to believe that until the behavioral problems are corrected, we will be unable to make constructive progress on the article content. |
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Finally, I would like to state that I am aware of the fact that ArbCom does not rule on content; however, if the committee accepts this case, and has any suggestions about how to settle the naming issue such as a binding RfC, a site-wide vote as happened for [[Liancourt Rocks]], etc., input would be appreciated. The name has been one of the sticking points that keeps us from progressing on to actual article improvement, and so a lasting solution is highly desirable. |
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=== Statement by {Party 2} === |
=== Statement by {Party 2} === |
Revision as of 09:49, 13 August 2011
Requests for arbitration
Senkaku Islands
Initiated by Qwyrxian (talk) at 09:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Involved parties
- Qwyrxian (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), filing party
- Tenmei (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Bobthefish2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- STSC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Oda Mari (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Phoenix7777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- John Smith's (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Benlisquare (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Penwhale (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Feezo (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Magog the Ogre (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
(placeholder, notifying right after posting this)
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- See below in Statement by Qwyrxian
Statement by Qwyrxian
Senkaku Islands and [Senkaku Islands dispute]] have been the subject of dispute as far back as 2003 (See Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 1). Senkaku Islands has been protected 5 times, including twice in the past year, and is currently fully protected. Senkaku Islands dispute has been protected 5 times since its creation in October 2010, and is currently fully protected. The issues being debated range from individual word and grammatical choices, to identifying and interpreting RS's, to overall organization. One of the most persistent arguments revolves around the article title itself. The page has been moved unilaterally several times (see page logs), but was moved back each time. Various steps of dispute resolution have been taken; none have succeeding in ending the disputes. Specifically:
- July 2007—Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move: Request to move to "Pinnacle Islands".
- September 2009—Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 3#Requested move 2: Request to move to "Pinnacle Islands".
- November 2010—Talk:Senkaku Islands/Archive 6#What should the title of this article be?: RfC on the article title.
- May – July 2011—Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Senkaku Islands: MedCom mediation.
Also, issues relating to these pages have been raised on noticeboards and Wikitalk pages, including WP:NORN (Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard/Archive 15#Figure captions in Senkaku Island/Diaoyutai article), WP:NPOVN (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 20#Long running dispute on Senkaku Islands dispute), WP:ANI (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive8#Senkaku Islands stolen?, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive644#Senkaku Islands dispute, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive712#Senkaku Islands - admin COI intervention), WT:NCGN (4 discussions, see search results), and possibly others.
The aforementioned Mediation failed. It closed after numerous editors were unable to behave and stay on topic; eventually, several editors abandoned mediation and it closed without any useful result. These behavioral problems have been rampant on the article talk pages and related user talk pages since 2010. Some editors have held that no matter what consensus says, the current article title will never be acceptable. Others have used baiting and borderline personal attacks. Others overwhelm the talk page with extremely complex and nearly impossible to follow philosophical arguments and graphics. One editor was taken to WQA for xyr behaviors on these pages (Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance/archive99#User:Bobthefish2); another was the subject of an RFC/U (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tenmei). While in the past I had hoped to use the DR process to solve our problems, I have come to believe that until the behavioral problems are corrected, we will be unable to make constructive progress on the article content.
Finally, I would like to state that I am aware of the fact that ArbCom does not rule on content; however, if the committee accepts this case, and has any suggestions about how to settle the naming issue such as a binding RfC, a site-wide vote as happened for Liancourt Rocks, etc., input would be appreciated. The name has been one of the sticking points that keeps us from progressing on to actual article improvement, and so a lasting solution is highly desirable.
Statement by {Party 2}
Statement by {Party 3}
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