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Flybd5 continues to threat and harass me online. Here is a recent copy of his recent attack: |
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You're welcome to report anything you like about me to anyone you think should hear what you have to say. To say that I am unconcerned by your statements would be a gross understatement. I suggest you take a good long look at the message posted above by Veinor, though. It seems to me you're digging your own hole. Have fun! [[User:Flybd5|Flybd5]] 04:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)>> |
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I have warned him to stop vandalising my user page to no success. He apparently is a sicko. Is there anything that can be done about this?--[[User:XLR8TION|XLR8TION]] 04:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:Well, first It would be worth explaining this "threat" you mention. Secondly, this page doesn't deal with harrassment (see [[WP:HARASS]].) Finally, having seen the most recent comment by the user you mention, (after seeing no such comment at all yesterday), I fail to see how it could be considered vandalism. I certianly cannot see any vandalism to your userpage from it's history by this user, and a talk page is only "yours" in that it's related to your account, not in terms of ownership (see [[WP:OWN]]). |
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:You need to supply diffs, and explain your meaning, as the issue you describe is not immediately self-evident. Further, I strongly admonish your act of issuing repeated personal attacks in return to the user, recomment you read [[WP:NPA]] carefully, and refrain from doing so again. I have issued no warning to you, but be aware that that doesn't mean that somebody else won't. Personal attacks '''cannot''' by excused in response to personal attacks. [[User:Crimsone|Crimsone]] 05:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:There is no harassment, it's purely an ego issue. I repeated my original statement, that changes to styles in the article in question should be discussed first. In response he's posted some rather vitriolic statements on my user page. Again, I will leave it at that, and I'll even leave edits to my user page as they are, as they speak for themselves as to the true core of the issue. [[User:Flybd5|Flybd5]] 05:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::This is getting out of hand. He is now posting changes to the same page without logging on. Please see [[Pedro Rossello]]. The comments in the history are a giveaway. Will someone please put the brakes on this and force this person to cool his jets for a while? [[User:Flybd5|Flybd5]] 05:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC) |
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* '''Diffs needed''' • If you feel they have personally attacked someone, please provide diffs. Cheers, ✎ <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:Wizardry Dragon|<font color="#696">Peter M Dodge</font>]] ( [[User_talk:Wizardry_Dragon|<font color="#696">Talk to Me</font>]] • [[WP:WNP|<font color="#696">Neutrality Project</font>]] )</span> 01:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*Will someone PLEASE take action to force [[User:XLR8TION|XLR8TION]] to put his ego in the fridge for a few days, stop harassing and threatening me and stop pounding on places like [[Pedro Rossello]]'s discussion page? You don't even have to look at the diff's, just look at the article's diff page's comments. [[User:Flybd5|Flybd5]] 17:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Rkba69 (talk · contribs)
This user has added nothing but nonsense and personal attacks since joining Wikipedia. User has been warned with the appropriate templates to no avail.
Here a just a few diffs:
--RWR8189 07:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Left a note. Hoping that'll calm him down a bit. Will try to keep an eye on this, let me know if I miss anything important. Luna Santin 10:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Wobble (talk · contribs)
- "There ia a host of information on this if you can be bothered to think outside of your narrow racialist perspective Thulean. Distorting biomedical research to try to support your dodgy racialist ideas is what you seem to do best. Go on accuse me of a personal attack, but read WP:SPADE first and look at your edit history." [5] I asked him to prove his accusations about me distorting research. He failed and could have only given one example, and that was questionable. We discussed it at length User_talk:Wobble#Thulean.2FLukas_discussion
- Than after saying me if I can "be bothered to think outside of your narrow racialist perspective", he says "The sort of out of date racialist thinking that normal people (that's 99% of us) think only nutters believe any more." "you just want to make claims that science supports your racist ideas" "There was a cite to "racial reality", a racist nazi site as far as I can see, with the reliability and accuracy one would expect from a bunch of neonazi thickos (who ever met an intelligent racist? Not me)." While commenting on neo nazis may be acceptable, he correlates it with racists after commenting on my "racist ideas" and after calling me "Ah well my little nordicist friend". Clearly, there are bunch of insults in these two edits: [6] [7], especially considering things like " Indeed I might go so far as to say that being considered silly by someone with your opinions makes me rather a decent chap". And I never called him silly.
Hanina (talk · contribs)
I have reason to suspect Hanina, which wrote in the Septuagint discussion page Talk:Septuagint(see Jamnia Jumble, has placed a highly opinionated portion into the Council of Jamnia article. Simultaneously and patronizingly utilizing a portion of my response where I attempted to debunk, the "speculation" controversy he/she supports.
I do not care so much about Hanina personally, but in correcting this out of place commentary from the main "Council of Jamnia" article.
Thank you. --Micael
- Diffs needed • If you feel they have personally attacked someone, please provide diffs. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 01:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
83.250.137.87 (talk · contribs)
Personal attacks against former Sveasoft subscribers and ex-employees, including posting personal information.
Examples
This, among other open proxies and the like, are abused by Sveasoft employee User:James Ewing.
- Can you clarify what the 3rd link given there is? Cheers! —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 18:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Reviewer note • Although the third link is concerning, it is on another wiki and unfortunately we have no jurisdiction to punish them there. I would also find it in bad taste to punish them here for mistakes on other places, so I would encourage another reviewer or sysop to discount it. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 18:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
He's doing it again. Examples are: [14] [15].
Here's the WHOIS data for the IP (83.250.137.87) in question:
inetnum: 83.250.136.0 - 83.250.143.255 netname: COMHEM-CUSTOMER descr: com hem customer broadband access descr: ISP descr: ******************************** Abuse & intrusion reports should be done done online at: http://www.comhem.se/publik/portlets/abuse/begin.do ******************************** country: SE admin-c: CH1252-RIPE tech-c: CH1252-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: COMHEM-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered role: com hem LIR address: Com Hem AB Birger Jarlsgatan 57B Box 191 50 Stockholm 104 32 SWEDEN ******************************** Abuse & intrusion reports should be done online at: http://www.comhem.se/publik/portlets/abuse/begin.do ******************************** phone: +46 8 55363000 fax-no: +46 8 6601640
Sveasoft is located in the same area. An interesting coincidence, no? --Tokachu 15:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Alex Kov and User:Vladyslav Savelo
Although User:Appleseed gamed the process by opening his "report" against myself without first posting it here and User:Wizardry Dragon found it prudent to support abuse by throwing unmotivated warnings on my talk page, I decided to check the effectiveness of this board and report what I have to go through daily, without ever bothering to post complaints on public-boards.
User:Hillock65's talk page in Ukrainian wikipedia documents the plans of User:Alex Kov, User:Vladyslav Savelo, Hillock65, and User:Oleh Petriv to subject English wikipedia to tendentious editing with Russophobic connotations. After I noted that Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine, Oleh Petriv came up with death threats against me: A stench from our buddy is already here! Truly, only the grave will reform him. Thereupon the owner of the talk page blanked it and started Battle of Konotop in en.wiki, a tendentious article which I edited to bring it back to conform to WP:MOS. I was reverted en masse by Petriv and other uk.wiki users mentioned above with rude edit summaries such as "Stop vandalism!"
WP:NPA instructs that "A comment in an edit history such as "reverting vandalism" is not a personal attack if it's concerned with clear vandalism, although otherwise it is. "Vandalism" imputes bad intentions and bad motives to the person accused. If the edit that is being reverted could be interpreted as a good-faith edit, then don't label it as vandalism". Nevertheless, encouraged by User:Piotrus, the users in question continue to call me a vandal on a regular basis:
- User:Alex Kov: see here and here;
- User:Vladyslav Savelo: see here and here;
- User:Hillock65: [16], [17], [18]... --Ghirla -трёп- 10:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't speak a word of
RussianUkrainian, unfortunately, so I'll be unable to help you in that regard. I'll look into this a bit, and drop off some notes at their talk pages in a minute. Will try to keep an eye on it, but if this is involving multiple Wikipedias, even, I may have some trouble. Let me know or post here, if I'm missing anything important. Luna Santin 10:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response (the only so far). Understandably, real insults generate less interest than imaginary ones below. However, I can't see why you need to speak Ukrainian (there are no comments in Russian), to parse seven English-language accusations of vandalism in seven links provided above. Best, Ghirla -трёп- 10:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- I was referring more to your mention of Ukrainian Wikipedia, there (beg your pardon for mixing up languages). Beyond that, I'll try to keep an eye on things, as mentioned. Luna Santin 11:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Harassment continues and continues... --Ghirla -трёп- 19:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Reviewer Comment I suggest that either RFC (Such as the one I understand you have open on Piotr) or ArbCom would be a better venue for ongoing and long-term harrasement. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 19:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, accusations of death threats is nothing new from user Ghirlandajo. You can see here that even typos are considered death threats as well. And his non-existant knowledge of Ukrainian can hardly serve as a proof of a death threat. There are no secrets and no plots, and least of all can you find there death threats. It is just laughable. The quoted statement is actually an equivalent to 'a lepard cannot change its spots', please check. Please also check user Ghirlandajo engaged in the exact activity he accuses me of - now on the Russian Wiki. As well, you can see from the first page that I quoted above, that reputable sources were presented to him several times - both in Russian and English and he continued to revert the page destroying all the links and the work other people have done. I have warned him numerous times of not reverting - but to no avail. An accusation from this particular user should be investigated thoroughly to prevent him from using his ignorance in languages in personal attacks that he is waging.--Hillock65 21:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Dear Ghirla, I attribute this report of yours to your poor Ukrainian or English (or both). For your information, the phrase: Справді, декого тільки могила справить. should be read: Indeed, one can be fixed only in grave. which originates from a proverb from our (Ukrainian) folklore: "Cripple can be stretched only in grave". See Hillock's remark on English equivalent above. It did not refer personaly to anybody, but if you like - you can point it at yourself. As for the first part, Оба! "Дружок" вже й тут смердить!, you are quite correct when suspecting that I refer to you as "stenching" in another corner of Wikipedia. And I think many users that had opportunity to know you would share this opinion. But for the future I suggest you to translate your own phrasings and famous expressions scattered all over user pages and comments with the same enthusiasm as you collect wordings of others. And post them here. Plus take an effort to analyze why so many users from different countries are calling you a vandal. With careful and unbiased upproach you can come to some interesting discoveries. As for the decision of Reviewers on my behaviour, I will gladly take any punishment including complete ban as do not value English Wikipedia project anymore. Thanks for this to you and others (You know them well).--Oleh Petriv 00:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Psychohistorian (talk · contribs)
Much more extensive evidence of the long term pattern of personal attacks is given at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Psychohistorian. Fourdee 18:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Despite being repeatedly warned[19] about ad hominem, user has added [20] blatant personal attacks back to talk page, commiting personal attacks again. Fourdee 00:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Fourdee has not notified Psychohistorian of this report, but I have done so and responded as a semi-involved third party with a timeline and some perspective (notice and discussion). — Hu 04:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- These don't seem like blatant personal attacks. Incivility, perhaps, but he's still making an effort to discuss the issue at large, as far as I can see. If you can establish this as part of a greater trend, in an RfC, or link to some more severe comments, I may be more inclined to take some action. Luna Santin 08:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- A quick examination of Psychohistorian's contributions indicates a wider pattern of much more abusive and uncivil comments on talk pages, all in the same vein - insulting the editor, or insulting their education. Again calling editors ignorant [21] and accusing them of "bitching" [22], calling editor "paranoid" and "unreasonable" [23], says editor has "inferiority complex" [24], again insulting editor's education and implying editor has not reached the 11th grade [25], education & "put it at your level" [26], etc. Everywhere I look in his talk page edits there is personal abuse, and he has been warned about this previously [27]. He knows the policies on civility and no personal attacks and chooses to disregard them. It seems to me he needs to be corrected by more than a warning. Fourdee 18:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know why you are witch-hunting Psychohistorian but I must say he's extremely cold (even too much for my taste). He virtually never engages in ad hominem discussions and many if not all of your alleged PAs can't be seen as such. Example: when he says that he dislikes that editors employ more time "bitching at each other" than working in the article, we can't but agree with him. When he says that "this fact seems to be eluding you", he's not calling the other editor (a pretty aggresive one, btw) "ignorant" as you claim, just expressing his frutration at the fact that he's not understood. When he says that "is a skill you should be pretty competent in by the time you reach 11th grade if you're in a good school system" he's not talking at the other editor but using a common generalistic form in English. Finally warns from Thulean/Lukas19 have no validity: that user has disqualified himself by systematically abusing the PA warn system on any minimal and even many imaginary slip. He doesn't discuss: he provokes you and waits for you to say anything that could even vaguely resemble a PA and then he places one or three warnings in your user talk page.
- In brief, you have nothing. --Sugaar 18:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- A quick examination of Psychohistorian's contributions indicates a wider pattern of much more abusive and uncivil comments on talk pages, all in the same vein - insulting the editor, or insulting their education. Again calling editors ignorant [21] and accusing them of "bitching" [22], calling editor "paranoid" and "unreasonable" [23], says editor has "inferiority complex" [24], again insulting editor's education and implying editor has not reached the 11th grade [25], education & "put it at your level" [26], etc. Everywhere I look in his talk page edits there is personal abuse, and he has been warned about this previously [27]. He knows the policies on civility and no personal attacks and chooses to disregard them. It seems to me he needs to be corrected by more than a warning. Fourdee 18:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Although he may be right, he is definitely using a language that is unessecarily confrontative. He should cool down, IMO. --Regebro 19:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Discussion truncated and moved to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Psychohistorian. I might have done better to move it to the talk page; if anyone is so inclined, feel free. Luna Santin 21:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC
- Technical comment: despite an RfC (or any DR process) going on, if a PA is reported here, we should act. DR should not grant users immunity from PAIN (and how cool that sounds :>).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - Blocking a user over PAs when they are in dispute resolution would needlessly disrupt the DR, as well as may be seen as "taking sides" in the dispute, which would only aggravate it further. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project • Request CheckUser ) 21:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Technical comment: despite an RfC (or any DR process) going on, if a PA is reported here, we should act. DR should not grant users immunity from PAIN (and how cool that sounds :>).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Ekajati (talk · contribs)
Ekajati has been on an ongoing spree of harassing Kathryn NicDhàna. There is a pattern of this behaviour with several other users. Most recently he/she has been using racist ad hominem and exhibiting a total lack of WP:AGF. Here are two relevant instances. [28] [29] I have warned the user with {{npa4im}}, but only after noticing it. Prior to that, Kathryn NicDhàna has been practically begging this person to cease harassing on her user page.- WeniWidiWiki 01:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Just converting those links to non-secure-enwiki difflinks... [30] [31]. While it does look like a bit of a heated dispute, I'm not sure that a block would help to calm things down. It's not the most civil thing I've ever seen, but it's far from the worst, either. Will try to keep an eye on it. Luna Santin 23:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, this does sounds to be rather minor, with the exception of calling another user a 'hypocrite', although without following the diffs more I can't tell if this is earned or not. Hypocrisy is not a slurr, but can be absed, I'd strongly recommend that Ekjati should refrain from using such terms in a dispute, unless he clearly explains why it is applicable in this term - and in that case, some form of WP:DR may be more useful then name-calling in anycase.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Um, I'm not sure you (Luna Santin and Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ) actually noted the problem language. Kathryn NicDhàna has worked extensively on Irish cultural articles and is identified on her user page as a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland. In [32], Ekajati called Kathryn a liar because of her affinity for Irish cultural heritage. Or to put it another way, Ekajati said all Irish people are inclined to lie as a racial or cultural trait. This is a racist slur. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- You know, you bring up a good point. =\ If I'd caught that sooner, I'd be more able to do something about it. As is, they seem to have stopped for the time being, and I'd be concerned that warning them might only remind them or encourage further disruption. Feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong on that count. Luna Santin 09:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Um, I'm not sure you (Luna Santin and Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ) actually noted the problem language. Kathryn NicDhàna has worked extensively on Irish cultural articles and is identified on her user page as a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland. In [32], Ekajati called Kathryn a liar because of her affinity for Irish cultural heritage. Or to put it another way, Ekajati said all Irish people are inclined to lie as a racial or cultural trait. This is a racist slur. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, this does sounds to be rather minor, with the exception of calling another user a 'hypocrite', although without following the diffs more I can't tell if this is earned or not. Hypocrisy is not a slurr, but can be absed, I'd strongly recommend that Ekjati should refrain from using such terms in a dispute, unless he clearly explains why it is applicable in this term - and in that case, some form of WP:DR may be more useful then name-calling in anycase.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Halibutt (talk · contribs)
Particular User:Halibutt left very inappropriate remark regarding many different contributors[33] (message appears on his main user page):
Unfortunately, an ongoing campaign of slander and blackmail against me has forced me to abandon wikipedia for some time. Death threats from Ghirlandajo, anti-semitic comments from Renata and her Lithuanian pals, offending my parents by Dr.Dan, offending my nationality and culture by the nationalist Lithuanian community here - all these were a step too far. Perhaps I'll come back when they change their ways - or wiki finally starts to defend serious editors against trolls and ultra-nationalists. Regards, //Halibutt
Please note causations made by him are - anti-semitic comments; Death threats and accusation to all Lithuanian community etc. Later this message was changed by different contributor.[34], because Halibutt refused to do it by himself [35] This is not the first time, when Halibutt misconducts in this area: [36][37] and was warned not to proceed with attacks some time ago: [38] but refused it [39]. Would be good if neutral contributors could evaluate this users' "comments". M.K. 00:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Reveiwer comment • It's certainly loaded accusations, and something they should prove if they can, but not really "personal attack" material. Specifically, this really isn't the right venue to get a remedy. I would suggest WP:RFC or, if administrative action is needed, WP:AN/I. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 01:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)