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:::The IP here is complaining about my "forgettings" to move the talk page also.--[[User:Chauahuasachca|Chauahuasachca]] ([[User talk:Chauahuasachca|talk]]) 11:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Chauahuasachca, you've been previously requested to show more care with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chauahuasachca&diff=521496962&oldid=517237857 page] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chauahuasachca&diff=535704251&oldid=534627885 moves]. At some point the difference between carelessness and willful disruption becomes moot. [[User:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkRed">Tide</span>''']][[User talk:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:darkRed">rolls'''</span>]] 14:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
::::Chauahuasachca, you've been previously requested to show more care with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chauahuasachca&diff=521496962&oldid=517237857 page] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chauahuasachca&diff=535704251&oldid=534627885 moves]. At some point the difference between carelessness and willful disruption becomes moot. [[User:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkRed">Tide</span>''']][[User talk:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:darkRed">rolls'''</span>]] 14:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Huh? First,were the articles created by unregistered users without regard for the criteria for page names? If so, how did that happen? A bug? Second, when the article pages were moved/renamed, did the editor override the default to move the talk page along with the article page? The default on page moves is to move the talk page with the article page. If the default was overridden, why? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 14:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
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- Hi @Berig, does it really need an admin? Tom B (talk) 04:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Need advice/help dealing with an IP
184.20.209.241 (talk · contribs) has been bugging me and several other editors regarding the My Little Pony tv + comic series, specifically begging "these must be for children, so they can't be dark stories", or "if this is going to be dark, they can't be for kids, and should be marked as adult stories." I don't know whether the user is trolling , a poor English speaker, a child, or the like, but this is all the user has done and is starting to get to a point of bothersome. I do note that this user has apparently been aggravating people on an MLP wikia and is trying to bring that "fight" here. His actions certainly aren't disruptive, but they are annoying.
I don't know what action can be taken here, since by good faith I would think the user is just confused, but this has been going on far too long. --MASEM (t) 03:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like normal trolling to me. My Little Pony is a common target for trolls as its fans tend to be young and easily riled. If they seriously have issues with the show's plot (or whatever) they'd stop watching or write in to the people who actually make the show, not bug random wiki editors. I see they had a final warning already last month so if they're still at it it's block time. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
With a splash of AGF, I'd expect that the IP is someone very young who is mixing up Wiki for WikiA. On a lot of Wikias forum like discussions are pretty common and generally allowed. Blackmane (talk) 15:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Kafziel has blocked the IP. Blackmane (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)- [Referring to the struck part:] Not possible. One of their edit summaries specifically references some kind of feud with another editor on MLP Wikia (who is, in their words, "crazy and dumb"). It's pretty clear that they're trolling the MLP Wikia too, presumably with the same or similar material. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have a strong belief that the editor is trolling. As I commented on their page, their claims seem to be inconsistent and they keep going back and forth. Furthermore, at one stage they kept adding nonsense to the article claiming the comic series featured extreme violence, gore, sex etc. Perhaps they could have really been so confused once, but after it was pointed out to them it did not have this, they appeared to briefly accepted this before adding the claim again. Nil Einne (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah they're not consistent at all, alternating between pretending to know nothing about the comic obviously being familiar with its plot details. But even besides that their main claim (that there's an official "adult" My Little Pony comic with lots of graphic sex and gore) is so silly that it could only possibly be trolling. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- The troll has been appropriately blocked. Trolls are bad enough, but trolls who try to confuse children are worse than usual. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the block expired and he's back again [4]. I've asked the blocking admin to consider a re-block, if that's not done first from here. --MASEM (t) 23:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I went ahead and blocked them again. Any benefit of the doubt is just about run dry at this point. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the block expired and he's back again [4]. I've asked the blocking admin to consider a re-block, if that's not done first from here. --MASEM (t) 23:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Inactive possible sockpuppets of a banned user
I've a question that this seems the most appropriate board to ask this on. As part of WP:WikiProject Qworty clean-up, I've come across a few accounts that look like they may have been Qworty sockpuppets, but have also been inactive for a year or more. What is the proper way to deal with such accounts? Tag them? Report them to some board or other? Or just assume that since they're inactive they're not harmful? Seth Kellerman (talk) 04:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know for certain what we should do, and I am not an administrator, but I think we should just tag them as suspected sockpuppets. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- At Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Qworty/Archive, Dennis Brown made it very clear that he thought it was not a good idea to tag inactive suspected sockpuppet accounts. Binksternet (talk) 05:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I would just leave them be. The odds that any of those accounts would be resurrected seem pretty slim to me. 28bytes (talk) 05:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Unresponsive user
This is a minor but ongoing issue where perhaps an attempt by someone else will have more effect than my efforts have had so far.
User:Candleabracadabra, an editor since April 2011 with some 6,000 edits, is a regular creator of new articles. Despite multiple requests, his creations don't have any categories and don't even have the "uncat" tag either. Considering that he has (including many redirects) created 1269 articles, which as far as I can see all had that problem, I believe this is not really acceptable.
I have noted this problem at his talk page three times (at User talk:Candleabracadabra#Categories; 24 May, 27 May, and 3 June), but he hasn't responded at all nor changed his behaviour (see e.g. Mercantile Bank Building (Jonesboro, Arkansas)), so I'm looking for a good soul who is willing to give it another try or who can find another approach with better results. Fram (talk) 09:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Treat them as you would any other editor who continues with disruptive editing despite warnings. GiantSnowman 09:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well, that's what I try to avoid. It seems a pity to start blocking without trying at least one more time if another approach might help. Getting his attention and cooperation without needing to block is better, and perhaps if he notices that multiple people have the same concerns, he will change his approach. If not, then blocking still remains as an option of course. Fram (talk) 11:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I had experience with one editor, who was constantly adding unreferenced material to BLPs - the info not controversial and later verified to be true, but it was still a problem. Over a period of months numerous users tried to communicate with the editor, using templated and personal messages. Nothing got through to him. Then one day enough was enough and he was blocked (I can't recall if I blocked him or another Admin) but it worked - it made him realise the seriousness of the situation, and now he communicates and adds references. GiantSnowman 11:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well, that's what I try to avoid. It seems a pity to start blocking without trying at least one more time if another approach might help. Getting his attention and cooperation without needing to block is better, and perhaps if he notices that multiple people have the same concerns, he will change his approach. If not, then blocking still remains as an option of course. Fram (talk) 11:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's why I don't rule out blocking as a last resort. But blocking is harsh, and I wouldn't want a productive editor with some minor problems leaving over being blocked without trying more gentle approaches first. A block may improve his interactions, but it may also piss him off and make him leave Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 11:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Seems like an admin (User:Dennis Brown?) once had good results by plastering their talk page with a ridiculously *huge* stopsign to get their attention. --69.95.203.191 (talk) 13:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's why I don't rule out blocking as a last resort. But blocking is harsh, and I wouldn't want a productive editor with some minor problems leaving over being blocked without trying more gentle approaches first. A block may improve his interactions, but it may also piss him off and make him leave Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 11:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- In what sense is a failure to add categories to an article disruptive? Disruptive of what? Eric Corbett 16:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Is s/he removing the {uncat} template once it is added? It strikes me as not actually disruptive or damaging for an editor to prefer to leave category work for others. Wikipedia is a collaborative, volunteer project, and we don't expect or demand any editor – new or not – to do all the work on articles. Looking at, e.g. Mercantile Bank Building (Jonesboro, Arkansas), I see a reasonable, competently-written, credibly-sourced one-paragraph stub about a historical building, about which we did not have an article before.
- Presumably, other editors will arrive over time to expand the article with images, more information, additional sources...and category tags. To accuse Candleabracadabra of 'disruptive editing' and to suggest harrassing them with repeated nuisance templates as a valid solution – let alone suggest blocking someone who is quietly and competently producing good, constructive content – because s/he doesn't do category grunt work is ridiculous.
- If you want an {uncat} template on every new article, write a bot to do it. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- TOAT, look at it this way instead - an editor is deliberately ignoring sound advice (which doesn't make for a collaborative project) and every single time they create a stub, other editors have to clean up after them by adding categories / tagging as uncat. That is disruptive. GiantSnowman 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Why do others need to 'clean up after them'? Genuine question, whats the actual downside to not having either a CAT/uncat? Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- TOAT, look at it this way instead - an editor is deliberately ignoring sound advice (which doesn't make for a collaborative project) and every single time they create a stub, other editors have to clean up after them by adding categories / tagging as uncat. That is disruptive. GiantSnowman 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Hmmm ... please don't go through the dozens of stubs, articles, etc to see if I always added a CAT to it or you'll want to block me too! (✉→BWilkins←✎) 16:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The fact that the "B" word has been mentioned in the context of an editor who doesn't dot every I and cross every T is troublesome indeed. The editor concerned may not give a shit about categories - so what? This issue doesn't even begin to touch the troublesome threshold. Leaky Caldron 16:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- WP:YFA - "Every article should be in one or more Wikipedia categories". GiantSnowman 16:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Are we really going with "Your first article" as grounds for a block now? C'mon, this is not a big deal. (Also, I can't remember if I've ever added cats to my paltry collection of articles; I rather doubt it.) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- WP:YFA - "Every article should be in one or more Wikipedia categories". GiantSnowman 16:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I can see how this is mildly irritating, and I see no problem with reaching out to find other editors to try a different approach, but this strikes me as absolutely not block-worthy. Where do we draw the line on this type of thing? Shall we block people for not providing images too? Or not adding infoboxes? Its irritating, but not a necessity, and not a blockable issue. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I would say categories are a necessity. For example, I create lots of articles; before doing so, I often check a category the new article will be placed in to ensure an article on the same subject does not already exist. That prevents wasting both my time (in creating a duplicate article) and that of others who have to clean up after me (delete/merge etc.) GiantSnowman 16:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I try to add a few of the most obvious categories when I create articles too, I know what you mean in practice. That being said, I don't see a policy supporting their necessity. (I would think something more direct than WP:YFA would be needed to make that argument.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I would say categories are a necessity. For example, I create lots of articles; before doing so, I often check a category the new article will be placed in to ensure an article on the same subject does not already exist. That prevents wasting both my time (in creating a duplicate article) and that of others who have to clean up after me (delete/merge etc.) GiantSnowman 16:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Suggesting that a highly productive editor should/could/might be/ blocked for not adding a category is so daft that those mooting the idea need to take a long hard look at themselves - and maybe add a few categories to the articles rather than honing their block button. Leaky Caldron 16:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Who has said this editor should be blocked? GiantSnowman 16:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Treat them as you would any other editor who continues with disruptive editing despite warnings. GiantSnowman 09:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
, from here. I mean, yes, you technically didn't use the word "block", but there's really no other way to interpret that; I mean, what else do we do with disruptive editors who've ignored warnings? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)- Depends how long they've been around / how many friends they have made ;) GiantSnowman 16:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Clearly, this guy hasn't made enough friends, given that we're here, so yeah, lame block suggestions are lame. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Depends how long they've been around / how many friends they have made ;) GiantSnowman 16:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Who has said this editor should be blocked? GiantSnowman 16:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- The recent furore about category:American novelists indicated that the category system is quite dysfunctional. You can be castigated if you put someone in a category and now you can be threatened if you don't. "That's some catch, that Catch-22". Warden (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Other suggestions welcome - how do others suggest we proceed then? Saying "it's not an issue" is a cop-out, what you really mean is "it's not an issue for me cos I don't care / don't have to clean up the mess." GiantSnowman 16:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I guess my (and perhaps others') point is: why is it considered a "mess" for an article to not be in a category? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I seriously cannot believe I am having to link administrators to Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization. Brb, off to bang my head against my desk for 5 mins. GiantSnowman 16:53, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Well, no need to bang your head: you didn't need to link that page, as it didn't answer my question. Does it say in there that articles must have categories? I read it through (again) and don't see anything that says that. I guess the closest thing is the "What should I do if I see an article without any categories?" section, but that doesn't say anything about warning editors or anything like that. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone's suggesting that we stop using categories or anything. Just that it's not that big of a deal when they're not there. Its not a life and death, BLP type issue. Either it will be fixed eventually by random editors, or it won't...which has no repercussions beyond not being categorized. Sergecross73 msg me 17:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I seriously cannot believe I am having to link administrators to Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization. Brb, off to bang my head against my desk for 5 mins. GiantSnowman 16:53, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Writing an otherwise fine article and opting to let other people categorize it is perfectly acceptable, and is in no way disruptive. To even think of blocking an editor for leaving categorization for others is way out of line. 28bytes (talk) 17:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'd like to point out that there is something worse than an article without categories: an article with bad categories. RJFJR (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I have some sympathy for the notion that an editor who doesn't do everything, and expects others to clean up can be infuriating in some cases. However, the cases I'm thinking of are editors who contribute little more than a title and a sentence just barely asserting notability. It may take more work from editors to check it out, search to see if there are references to support the notability than it might for editors to start from scratch without the tiny stub. While the editor may well have been contributing with such a start in 2001, it is 2013, and the world is different.
That said, I see a gulf between that example and the contributions of this editor. I do not know why the editor does not add categories. I happen to think our category system is quite poor, and hate to use it. I can easily believe that some editor may feel more strongly and refuse to use it. If it is done as a form of protest, I'm sorely tempted to join.
Are articles better when they have categories? Sure I can accept that. I don't object to the YFA advice that articles should have categories, but there is a difference between stating the goals for articles and stating the minimum acceptable standards for an editor's contribution to an article. I think articles ought to be spelled correctly. That doesn't mean I support a block for editors who make a spelling mistake. I do not view an editor who makes a spelling mistake as disruptive. Articles ought to have proper grammar. Editors who fail should not be termed "disruptive".
The editor has been asked to add cats, and has failed to explain why they do not. Time to shrug and move on. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree. The barrier for entry is high enough without adding more mandates to editors wanting to create an article - no need to make it more complex. There are lots of editors willing to spend the 5 seconds it takes to use HotCat and add appropriate categories. Why hassle this editor? UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 18:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to write something but SPhilbrick already wrote it. This editor just seems uninterested in adding categories or talking about categories. I don't find our current implementation of categories very good or useful either. I was wondering whether this editor was disruptively uncommunicative in general and that does not seem to be the case: I took a swing through the editor's edit count and history of using Talk pages; the editor seems to use Talk pages less frequently than many others but by no means never, and the Talk page contribs made are perfectly suitable. I have seen where administrator intervention is needed in cases of a disruptive editor who won't respond to requests to cut it out, but that doesn't seem to apply here. "Shrug and move on" seems about right.
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19:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)- To me, the best situation is a bot (or software feature) that would automatically mark an uncategorised page as uncategorised. Uncategorised pages that aren't marked as such are problems because we can't find them easily; having them marked automatically would remove the problems caused by this editor's unwillingness to mark them as uncategorised. Nyttend (talk) 00:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The most problematic factor for me (and the one which caused me to start this thread) is the unresponsiveness of this editor. If someone comes to your talk page with genuine concerns about your editing, the least you can do is reply. If he had explained why he doesn't want to add categories, that might have been sufficient. Like I indicated, simply adding the "uncat" tag if he is for some reason not comfortable adding a cat is also acceptable. But simply always ignoring a guideline (Wikipedia:Categorization: "Every Wikipedia page should belong to at least one category.") and refusing to discuss this is not really the way that things are supposed to happen here. The whole blockworthy/not blockworthy discussion is a distraction (and I note that we have blocked people over refusing to sign their posts, which doesn't even affect the mainspace). Fram (talk) 07:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think reaching out to the editor on their talk page, as you did, was a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and it certainly would have been polite of them to reply, but if they don't want to discuss it, it doesn't strike me as something we ought to (try to) force them to. There are editors who spend most if not all of their Wikipedia time categorizing things; it stands to reason that there would be some editors with no interest in categorization whatsoever, and it seems that we have found one such editor. 28bytes (talk) 07:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (EC)I may have missed it in the above, and the links to the category help pages are not really helpful on this, what is the disruptive or negative aspect of not having a category. I have seen lots of reasons why it is helpful to have one, but not a reason why it matters if it does not. Apart from a vague 'it might be difficult to find the article'. I can count on one hand the number of times I have used the category system to 'find' an article. Thats what search is for. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- For me, categories are useful to find related articles, both as a reader and as an editor (for cleanup and maintenance reasons); I have found quite a few hoaxes and duplicate articles thanks to categories. While lists have their use as well, categories get "automatically" maintained (i.e., just add the cat to the page and it appears in the category: delete the article and it is gone, and so on; with lists, you have more extra work (but the possibility for extra information as well)). For readers, they are a way to find articles they didn't know existed. Without categories, I probably would never have found André Van De Werve De Vorsselaer, and noticed that it is badly capitalized. Thanks to Category:Flemish artists, I just came across the oddly named Hermann Naiwinx. With some research, I found another article at the more plausible title Herman Naiwincx. Duplicates? I need to look a bit further to be sure, but I would probably not have found them without categories. Fram (talk) 08:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- One might also consider editors, such as purely copy editors like myself, who don't edit within any particular area in WP and as such categories are largely ignored anyway. Blackmane (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Imagine an editor creating a few hundred articles without standard wiki layout, e.g. not using our section header system but using "bold" or "big" tags to create section headers. You can still read the articles, you won't get a TOC but not everyone cares for a TOC anyway. Would you allow that editor to continue doing this, even after multiple requests to use section headers instead? It is not because categories (or section headers, or...) are not needed for some groups of editors that we should ignore editors who consistenly refuse to apply them. Fram (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Broken templates, infoboxes, extra Big tags, and the like... all of those affect the ability of readers to actually get information out of an article. Categories, or a lack thereof, do not. The issues are separate. I keep having the mental image of one of us standing behind this editor with a riding crop, smacking their hand whenever they create an article without a category. And that bothers me. Half of our cleanup tasks are sorting out what less experienced editors did - and it has always been thus. There is no easier way to tell this editor to go fuck off and leave than to block him/her for not doing something completely optional. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- The introduction of the visual editor, which is happening soon, seems likely to result in many new articles which will lack advanced features because the editor does not support them. In my experience, it takes a long time to master these and some may never do it. What Wikipedia needs most is editors who can write good encyclopedic prose as we have plenty of gnomes and techies who like tinkering with templates. It takes all sorts... Warden (talk) 12:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Less experienced editors": we are talking about an editor with 2 years + experience, having created hundreds of articles, not some clueless newbie. And it is not supposed to be "completely optional", it is part of our guidelines that every article should have at least one category. And contrary to what you claim, the lack of categories makes it much harder for people to "find" articles, so it is also affecting "the ability of readers to actually get information out of" the encyclopedia as a whole (and much more so than e.g. "big" tags). The search function is nice if you know the exact article: categories are better if you want all articles around a certain topic or with a certain common characteristic. Without a catedgory, could you easily tell which articles we had on Category:Assassinated Belgian politicians? Fram (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- That might be true if categories were searchable in an obvious way, but they're not. Try typing "country houses in Greater Manchester" into the search box for instance and see what you get. Eric Corbett 13:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (ec) ^This. Now, leaving a new article permanently without categories would be a concern, granted. But creating such an article does not mean that it disappears into the hinterlands of Category:Articles lacking categories. Even if it's a true orphan, with no links in and out, it'll show up on the new pages list, it'll be tagged (maybe by bot) as an orphan or as lacking categories or whatever, and someone will come by and add categories. And then life goes on. I seem to recall something about there not being a deadline - why do we need THIS editor to put categories on their new articles RIGHT THEN? UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- With very little effort (putting "uncat" at the bottom of the page), he would make life easier for others. Apparently that's too much to ask though. Fram (talk) 13:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- How can Category:Articles lacking categories possibly be non-empty? The inclusion of an article in that category would disqualify it from being in the category. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Honestly didn't think about it. If it existed, I guess it'd be hidden anyway. Oh, I've gone cross-eyed. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 18:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (ec)I get, as the first result, Category:Country houses in Greater Manchester, so for me this works as expected. What do you get? Fram (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I get the message "You may create the page "Country houses in greater manchester", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered", and the first entry in the list below is "North West England (redirect from Manchester Liverpool Polynuclear Metropolitan Area). Eric Corbett 13:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Special:Preferences: Search in all namespaces" (or search in articles and categories) is your friend. Fram (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- It may or may not be my friend, but I'm a logged in user, unlike the overwhelming majority of our readers. Eric Corbett 13:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- ..., in fairness to Eric, and only good if you know that's what you can do. I didn't, and I've been here far too long. GiantSnowman 13:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (ec)True. Even so, the text of the category (as written on the article) is included in the search, so they still show up in the search, but not as prominent. I agree that the current search is far from perfect, and wonder why categories aren't included in the default search. Not having categories won't improve this of course. And using the search function is only one possibility: going from an article to similar other ones is also made possible by categories, once you scroll to the bottom of the page at least. Again, not optimal. Oh, and if you do this search, no matter your preferences, the category will appear first (at least it does for me). But changing it to e.g. this one ruins that effect again... Fram (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- It may or may not be my friend, but I'm a logged in user, unlike the overwhelming majority of our readers. Eric Corbett 13:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Special:Preferences: Search in all namespaces" (or search in articles and categories) is your friend. Fram (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I get the message "You may create the page "Country houses in greater manchester", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered", and the first entry in the list below is "North West England (redirect from Manchester Liverpool Polynuclear Metropolitan Area). Eric Corbett 13:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (ec) ^This. Now, leaving a new article permanently without categories would be a concern, granted. But creating such an article does not mean that it disappears into the hinterlands of Category:Articles lacking categories. Even if it's a true orphan, with no links in and out, it'll show up on the new pages list, it'll be tagged (maybe by bot) as an orphan or as lacking categories or whatever, and someone will come by and add categories. And then life goes on. I seem to recall something about there not being a deadline - why do we need THIS editor to put categories on their new articles RIGHT THEN? UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- That might be true if categories were searchable in an obvious way, but they're not. Try typing "country houses in Greater Manchester" into the search box for instance and see what you get. Eric Corbett 13:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Broken templates, infoboxes, extra Big tags, and the like... all of those affect the ability of readers to actually get information out of an article. Categories, or a lack thereof, do not. The issues are separate. I keep having the mental image of one of us standing behind this editor with a riding crop, smacking their hand whenever they create an article without a category. And that bothers me. Half of our cleanup tasks are sorting out what less experienced editors did - and it has always been thus. There is no easier way to tell this editor to go fuck off and leave than to block him/her for not doing something completely optional. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Imagine an editor creating a few hundred articles without standard wiki layout, e.g. not using our section header system but using "bold" or "big" tags to create section headers. You can still read the articles, you won't get a TOC but not everyone cares for a TOC anyway. Would you allow that editor to continue doing this, even after multiple requests to use section headers instead? It is not because categories (or section headers, or...) are not needed for some groups of editors that we should ignore editors who consistenly refuse to apply them. Fram (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- One might also consider editors, such as purely copy editors like myself, who don't edit within any particular area in WP and as such categories are largely ignored anyway. Blackmane (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Why? Why do we need to imagine anything other than the specific issue you have brought to attention? Just close the thread. The editor deserves and requires no action to be taken by Admins. in respect of the specific concern about categories. There is no support for Admins to intervene in this case and anything else you bring up is irrelevant. Leaky Caldron 12:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- My "imagine" response was a reply to Blackmane, which seemed to imply "I don't care about categories, so ..." Apparently a lot of people don't care about categories and don't see their purpose, their potential uses, which is rather disheartening. Fram (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- But categories as currently implemented are virtually useless. Eric Corbett 13:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Why? They could be a lot better (category intersection for one should be a standard search function), but that's a far cry from "virtually useless". Fram (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Completely useless to the average reader then. Eric Corbett 13:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- ;-) Fram (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- In reply to Fram: don't get me wrong, it's not an "I don't care about them". As someone who hasn't spent anytime on categories, I solely focus on improving article text when I pick an article. I take it on good faith that the copyedit requester knows where the article belongs and will stick it in the right place. As a reader, I certainly do make use of categories when I find a branch of articles I find interesting. The brevity of my comment certainly could be seen in the way you suggested. Blackmane (talk) 13:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- ;-) Fram (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Completely useless to the average reader then. Eric Corbett 13:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Why? They could be a lot better (category intersection for one should be a standard search function), but that's a far cry from "virtually useless". Fram (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- But categories as currently implemented are virtually useless. Eric Corbett 13:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- My "imagine" response was a reply to Blackmane, which seemed to imply "I don't care about categories, so ..." Apparently a lot of people don't care about categories and don't see their purpose, their potential uses, which is rather disheartening. Fram (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- For me, categories are useful to find related articles, both as a reader and as an editor (for cleanup and maintenance reasons); I have found quite a few hoaxes and duplicate articles thanks to categories. While lists have their use as well, categories get "automatically" maintained (i.e., just add the cat to the page and it appears in the category: delete the article and it is gone, and so on; with lists, you have more extra work (but the possibility for extra information as well)). For readers, they are a way to find articles they didn't know existed. Without categories, I probably would never have found André Van De Werve De Vorsselaer, and noticed that it is badly capitalized. Thanks to Category:Flemish artists, I just came across the oddly named Hermann Naiwinx. With some research, I found another article at the more plausible title Herman Naiwincx. Duplicates? I need to look a bit further to be sure, but I would probably not have found them without categories. Fram (talk) 08:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Unresponsive user 2
Once bitten, twice shy etc. I have an editor whose signature violates WP:SIGLINK (i.e. no links to their user and/or talk page) and they are not responding to my requests. What can I do in this situation? GiantSnowman 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Try to persuade them of the benefits of such links? Eric Corbett 13:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- We've dealt with this before, recently, but I don't know what we did. This seems to be a more serious concern than the one above. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- This one's easy - you've pointed it out, they're unresponsive, it IS policy. We've done it before. You can either a) name them and shame them here at AN or ANI until they actually follow the policy, or get blocked, or b) block them as per jurisprudence until their sig is policy-compliant (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have notified Banhtrung1 (talk · contribs). GiantSnowman 14:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Nope, WP:SIGLINK is a guideline, not policy, just like Wikipedia:Categorization is a guideline. But categorization applies to the mainspace, siglink only to talk pages and discussion pages. Yet you advocate blocking for this one, and not for the categorization one? Fram (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- For the categorization thing, you're advocating pestering or blocking of an editor who doesn't add a maintenance tag to every article he creates. It's something that can be done just as quickly, and probably more easily, by whichever Twinkle-enabled new-page-patroller shows up to slap on their feel-good assortment of likely-to-be-ignored-for-months tags. Candleabracadabra wants to contribute to content development, but doesn't have an interest in article indexing—and that's fine. We don't compel editors to participate against their will in all aspects of Wikipedia's development. Candleabracadabra's articles are, arguably, incomplete without category tags, but they're not broken. He's doing nothing to prevent or obstruct the addition of categories or maintenance tags (or additional content, or navboxes, or infoboxes, or references...) by editors who come after him. We don't demand that he place the {uncategorized} template for the same reason that we don't insist that article creators put {copy edit} on their new efforts.
- For the signature issue, an editor has to take a conscious, deliberate, positive step to change their signature from the default. Changing one's signature from the default to something that doesn't link to one's user or talk page is an active step. It takes something that is working, and turns it into something that is broken. While it generally isn't the intent of the editor to make themselves more difficult to reach (usually they're just trying to make their signature 'pretty') it is the effect of their actions. Further, it is something that can be remedied quickly and easily and permanently with a single change. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- There are some very basic community norms that shouldn't be hard to adhere to, one of which is either banging out four tildes or clicking the sig icon in the toolbar above. We've dealt with recalcitrant editors in the past with threats of blocks or actual blocks. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Docu comes to mind. Tarc (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've stayed out of this pair of discussions because I wasn't sure what to say, but Tenofalltrades has convinced me; we really should take some sort of action regarding users who change their signatures unhelpfully, but I agree that it would be over the top to sanction Candelabra here. Look at my signature; it's only changed once since I registered in 2006, and that was because the default was changed from <User, timestamp> to <User (talk), timestamp> some years ago. Nyttend (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Signature linking is more important than adding categories because Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and that is a fundamental way in which we communicate with one another. Categories, on the other hand, are just a supplement to the really important things, i.e. properly sourced, neutrally worded, encyclopaedic content. I see categories in the same way as pictures or "see also" sections...a nice addition to any article, but not really a deal breaker as long as the content is up to standard. Ditch ∝ 17:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- There are some very basic community norms that shouldn't be hard to adhere to, one of which is either banging out four tildes or clicking the sig icon in the toolbar above. We've dealt with recalcitrant editors in the past with threats of blocks or actual blocks. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Docu comes to mind. Tarc (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The editor still has not changed their signature, barring any outcry here I intend to indef them if they do not change it, obviously with the caveat that they will be unblocked once they have changed. GiantSnowman 09:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Hey, threats do work (sometimes...) GiantSnowman 09:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Edit disputes at Microsoft Office 365
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
There appears to be a significant edit dispute at this page. One editor took it to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Then they took the dispute to my talk page at User_talk:Bearian#Re:_Office_365. Can somebody help?! Bearian (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- While it seems to have become a bit more stable now (there have been discussions on the edit warring noticeboard, and there haven't been any further reverts), I'm still a bit concerned about how things will be going forward. But still, I stand by my belief that vandalism covers things like saying The Annoying Orange is the president of the United Kingdom, and not good-faith efforts at improving an article. ViperSnake151 Talk 20:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- This is already being addressed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Dogmaticeclectic reported by User:ViperSnake151 (Result: ), so I suggest that this section be closed immediately. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 20:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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I wish to be allowed to edit the entry for the film A Talking Cat!?! I created the entry for The Room (film) and therefore should be considered qualified. The A Talking Cat!?! entry is currently locked for administrators, so I am pleading to be allowed to begin building this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcoll (talk • contribs) 08:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- The above editor posted this request earlier but someone deleted it from the noticeboard. I think Jcoll is referring to this which does instruct him to come to the Administrators Noticeboard with such a request. Whether or not the request is viable is another matter. Taroaldo ✉ 08:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've created the page (the title was being blocked by the blacklist). Jcoll can now add some content to it. Hut 8.5 08:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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- That'd be my guess - it wasn't protected directly or SALTed as a result of shenanigans. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Rangeblock help
I'm at work and don't have enough time to figure out exactly how rangeblocks work... and I'd rather avoid the possible consequences of a half-assed action. Please check out the IPs I keep on blocking of a relentlessly evading socker and apply whatever rangeblock proves necessary. Thanks! :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 18:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- SPP'ed my talk page because I don't have time to deal with this crap, but it doesn't mean he'll stop. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 18:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment)It doesn't look like they can all be encompassed in a single rangeblock, and it seems that they aren't closely-grouped enough for a set of separate rangeblocks (I only see at most 2 per /16).--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- So in short, not much can be done. Jeeez... :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 18:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- As I have explained at greater length on my talk page (not knowing that this thread was here), it is sometimes possible to win a war of attrition against users like this by making lots of little range blocks, but it takes a hell of a lot of work, and isn't guaranteed to work, so I'm afraid it largely comes down to a game of whackamole, blocking individual IP addresses or at best very small ranges. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yea, we've been whack-a-moling all day. I even SPP'ed my talk page because I didn't have time to deal with it all. But hey, we'll live. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 20:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- As I have explained at greater length on my talk page (not knowing that this thread was here), it is sometimes possible to win a war of attrition against users like this by making lots of little range blocks, but it takes a hell of a lot of work, and isn't guaranteed to work, so I'm afraid it largely comes down to a game of whackamole, blocking individual IP addresses or at best very small ranges. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- So in short, not much can be done. Jeeez... :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 18:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment)It doesn't look like they can all be encompassed in a single rangeblock, and it seems that they aren't closely-grouped enough for a set of separate rangeblocks (I only see at most 2 per /16).--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Chauahuasachca (talk · contribs) recent page moves have separated talk pages from their subject pages. So this needs administrators to repair them, as some of the talk pages have active discussions, and some of the destinations have generated new discussions, making a simple talk page move impossible. A histmerge and restore of older discussions would then be necessary. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 03:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- These articles were created by IPs without regarding the criterias for page names. I don't understand what you want now.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 11:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Would you like to prove that statement? IP's have not been able to create live articles in years, and once ONE SINGLE PERSON complains about your page moves, you MUST stop and use the WP:RM process. What's happened now are cockups that only admns can fix ... well done! (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- The IP here is complaining about my "forgettings" to move the talk page also.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Chauahuasachca, you've been previously requested to show more care with page moves. At some point the difference between carelessness and willful disruption becomes moot. Tiderolls 14:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Huh? First,were the articles created by unregistered users without regard for the criteria for page names? If so, how did that happen? A bug? Second, when the article pages were moved/renamed, did the editor override the default to move the talk page along with the article page? The default on page moves is to move the talk page with the article page. If the default was overridden, why? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Chauahuasachca, you've been previously requested to show more care with page moves. At some point the difference between carelessness and willful disruption becomes moot. Tiderolls 14:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- The IP here is complaining about my "forgettings" to move the talk page also.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Would you like to prove that statement? IP's have not been able to create live articles in years, and once ONE SINGLE PERSON complains about your page moves, you MUST stop and use the WP:RM process. What's happened now are cockups that only admns can fix ... well done! (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)