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* "{{xt|Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.}}" Those are the [[Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television]], and with one exception, I don't believe I've ever used any of those terms before at Wikipedia. But they also don't bother me in the slightest, but that's tied, I guess, to my background, upbringing, culture, and ineffable elements of personality. I'm not bothered when Tewdar, or other users use them, especially in non-accusatory ways, or without hurtful intent or result. However, I recognize that we are all human, and other editors with other backgrounds bring other experiences and reactions to bear, and that Wikipedia has a schizophrenic attitude about how we deal with profanity and blasphemy. For me, perceived intent is a lot of it, and I perceive no ill intent on the part of Tewdar in this case, and therefore I view this as a '''bad block''' as well. At the same time, for more than a decade, I have considered {{u|Sandstein}} a model admin (surprised? we've had no interactions iirc, yet still I've always looked up to you), and guess what—admins are human beings, and I'm not going to criticize their call on this one, even as I disagree with it. I'm perfectly willing to grant their take on this based on their experience, and this doesn't shake my impression of them in the slightest. To Tewdar: if you can please fuck off with the fucking "fuck-you's", at least to the fuckers who react differently to this shit than you and I do, you'd have a fucking better time of it, imho; so get your fucking shit together. And how 'bout that beer? And a very pleasant good-night, and happy editing to you! {{ec}} [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 09:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
* "{{xt|Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.}}" Those are the [[Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television]], and with one exception, I don't believe I've ever used any of those terms before at Wikipedia. But they also don't bother me in the slightest, but that's tied, I guess, to my background, upbringing, culture, and ineffable elements of personality. I'm not bothered when Tewdar, or other users use them, especially in non-accusatory ways, or without hurtful intent or result. However, I recognize that we are all human, and other editors with other backgrounds bring other experiences and reactions to bear, and that Wikipedia has a schizophrenic attitude about how we deal with profanity and blasphemy. For me, perceived intent is a lot of it, and I perceive no ill intent on the part of Tewdar in this case, and therefore I view this as a '''bad block''' as well. At the same time, for more than a decade, I have considered {{u|Sandstein}} a model admin (surprised? we've had no interactions iirc, yet still I've always looked up to you), and guess what—admins are human beings, and I'm not going to criticize their call on this one, even as I disagree with it. I'm perfectly willing to grant their take on this based on their experience, and this doesn't shake my impression of them in the slightest. To Tewdar: if you can please fuck off with the fucking "fuck-you's", at least to the fuckers who react differently to this shit than you and I do, you'd have a fucking better time of it, imho; so get your fucking shit together. And how 'bout that beer? And a very pleasant good-night, and happy editing to you! {{ec}} [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 09:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Not a great block''', but then you have to consider {{tq|I'd have normally warned you first, but that would not have been helpful in your case since you write at the top of your talk page: "Do NOT post generic templated messages on this page! I won't read 'em anyway, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about!}} which is not an unreasonable point - I note Tewdar has removed this now, which is definitely a good idea. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Not a great block''', but then you have to consider {{tq|I'd have normally warned you first, but that would not have been helpful in your case since you write at the top of your talk page: "Do NOT post generic templated messages on this page! I won't read 'em anyway, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about!}} which is not an unreasonable point - I note Tewdar has removed this now, which is definitely a good idea. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Blocking admin's comment:''' Thanks to all who left feedback above. I'll take it into account the next time I'm about to block somebody. |
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:It underlines (again) the very significant disagreements surrounding civility and its enforcement in our community. I'm quite aware that I'm at the strict end of the spectrum in this respect. In my view, civility and the expectation underlying [[WP:NPA]] - comment on the content, not the contributor - are of essential importance for making an international, mostly anonymous, collaborative project work, and for attracting and retaining good editors. In my view, {{u|Tewdar}}'s conduct at issue, in which they disparaged others as a "legacy admin", did not live up to these expectations, and merited administrative action. And if people post [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tewdar&diff=prev&oldid=1214962969 flippant notices] on their talk pages telling us that "I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about!", they take the risk that they will not be warned before any block because such warnings would be ineffective - by their own account, and because the tone of the message indicates that they are not someone who would take any kind of warning seriously in any case. |
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:I understand that many here take a different view. Regardless, as long as we as a community don't come to an agreement about the degree of civility we are willing to expect and enforce in practice, I think that we must live with the fact that individual admins will apply their individual standards in deciding whether to block (or not block) somebody, which will result in uneven enforcement. In this respect, I see my approach as somewhat counterbalancing that of the admins who will not take action to enforce our community standards, especially if doing so against the wrong people would make them unpopular. |
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:I do take {{u|Aquillion}}'s point, though, that admins, as people exercising authority, must remain open to criticism, which must not be sanctioned as ''lèse-majesté'' - even though admins, like all editors, have a right to be treated civilly. In my view, this concern does not apply here because the person who was attacked, {{u|Pepperbeast}}, is not an admin. |
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:Procedurally, I believe that this review request is out of process and should be closed. Per [[WP:XRVPURPOSE]] above, XRV does not apply to "an action with a dedicated review process". That is the case here, as Tewdar used the dedicated unblock review process, and their unblock request was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tewdar&diff=prev&oldid=1214964812 reviewed and declined] by {{u|331dot}}. This review request is, therefore, [[WP:FORUMSHOP|forum shopping]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 10:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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48 hour block of Tewdar by Sandstein
- Action: 48 hour block of Tewdar for alleged Personal attacks or harassment: [1]
- User: Sandstein (talk · contribs · logs) (prior discussion)
The reason given by Sandstein for this block was: 'This is in response to the personal attack you made on Pepperbeast here. It's not clear what you mean by "legacy admin", but it's clearly meant to be a term of disparagement. I'd have normally warned you first, but that would not have been helpful in your case since you write at the top of your talk page: "Do NOT post generic templated messages on this page! I won't read 'em anyway, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about! 😁👍".' However, the actual statement from Tewdar was: "Anyway , my opinion on the 'X exonyms' articles: delete the fucking lot, or delete none of 'em. Just don't single out Cornish for deletion, like some legacy admin." There was a lack of clarity there, which would have been clearer had Tewdar added "once did" to the end of the statement. That is "like some legacy admin once did". As Tewdar explained, the issue he was referring to was a case in the past where an admin (unnamed) had attempted to delete just the Cornish page, and not the whole set of pages currently being considered, on some apparently objectionable grounds. As such it is clear that Sandstein misunderstood a perfectly valid deletion !vote as being a personal attack on the nom. It was not.
Now no one should fault the misunderstanding. Textual communication is often clearer in the writer's head than the readers, and misunderstandings happen often. To that end, we should not fault Sandstein for coming to the conclusion that there was a personal attack. Yet with the above explanation, it is clear there was not. And any comments were definitely not directed at the AfD nom. Any ire Tewdar was expressing was towards an event in the past by an editor who has remained unnamed (and I have no idea who it refers to). What does need a review is how things proceeded after this. Because multiple editors expressed concern to Sandstein on the AfD page, on Tewdar's talk page,[2] and on Sandsteins talk page (as linked above) to express concern about the block. Sandstein was asked to rescind it as an act of goodwill, and because there had been no personal attack, and because blocks are supposed not to be punitive, but he was unwilling to do so.
331dot reviewed the block and maintained it because he says Tewdar admitted the term "legacy admin" was "disparaging". Which is as may be, but it was not levelled at anyone! He did not seem to notice that there had been no personal attack. And this, unfortunately, is a problem with block reviews. It seems that guilt is implicitly assumed, and although again I can see exactly why that might happen, it is still something that should be carefully guarded against.
Tewdar made a second unblock request and no administrator even responded to that one. Instead the block was allowed to lapse.
This, however, is not good enough. Blocks leave a permanent indelible trace in the logs, and the fail to repeal a bad block fails to provide any correction in the log, or any recognition or understanding that the process has failed. And it has failed here. Tewdar is an extremely good natured and competent editor who presents himself irascibly, and is not afraid to say what he means, but no one who has seen his edits will be in any doubt that he is anything but an asset to the project. See, for instance his recent creation: Prehistoric Cornwall. We don't want to lose an editor such as this simply through doubling down on a misunderstanding. And neither the term "legacy admin", even if actually directed at someone, nor the F word should be grounds for a block. Neither should a joking reference at the top of a talk page asking not to be bothered with dsaware templates be used as grounds for not even giving a warning, nor asking an editor what they meant by a term that the blocking admin admitted they did not understand.
Please do not close this on the ground the block has expired. The question is whether the block should have been rescinded when it became clear there was no personal attack. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bad Block It's a bit of an odd block that was maintained by others, and it seems to be exclusively over the one comment, according to everyone involved. I wouldn't have made the block. I think in particular, admin need to tolerate others commenting about admin, including legacy admin, and let it roll off them. People are going to vent a little from time to time. This seems to be so odd because Sandstein is typically pretty level handed with things like this. Even when I disagree with him, I can understand where he is coming from, but not with this block. To my eyes, it was barely worth warning about, let alone blocking over. Maybe there is more to it than I see on Tewdar's talk page, I don't know, but at least on the surface, the block was a mistake. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse. Everyone who says "legacy admin" should be blocked. Time to put an end to this unhealthy meme. People can absolutely not use the term "legacy admin". Active admins from 18-19+ years ago don't need special veneration, they know why they have been doing what they are doing, but they don't need disparagement either in a way that departs more and more, as time passes, in the direction of an ageist notional framework and evokes a really ugly image of people being conceptualized as generational models of something, of some machine, and as if the previous generation of administrators was succeeded by the new and "perfected" model, which was updated with the latest "clue" routine, only for those remaining specimens of the old vintage to be branded as "legacy" in a clearly ridiculing way. I know how often it is used and in which contexts and there is some variability to the meaning, but but it is very saddening for me to see it used in any context. Starting from this, and despite this jargon having been tolerated in the past, it's better to endorse the block as a preventative block that will stop the editor from saying "legacy admin" in the future. And maybe other editors will also stop saying it. Maybe there's a bit of a general prevention aspect to this too. You can say someone is an admin who has made a series of big mistakes, an incompetent admin, a terrible admin, an admin in name only, and admin who should not be an admin anymore, but do it for a reason, when you can back it up with evidence, and do it in a proper forum. If someone looks like they need help understanding something and have got used to doing something a certain way which is not the best way any more, go and tell them, be good to that person. Don't call them a "legacy admin".—Alalch E. 00:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree. Who was the victim of this "personal attack"? Pepperbeast? Then you have to say that comparing someone a "legacy admin" is a personal attack. I disagree with that, unless you are saying that being a "legacy admin" is a bad thing. The comment might have been a little rude, but that is why I said it was barely worth a warning. Were all "legacy admin" the victim of the attack? That is farfetched. And no, we won't be blocking for using the term "legacy admin" flatly, context matters. Who are we protecting? Admins? I think the block was a knee jerk reaction that wasn't thought out properly, either circling the wagons (not likely) or subconsciously inserting more meaning into the phrase than it warranted. Because it might look like circling the wagons, admin need to be extra careful with these cases. He used the phrase in a mildly pejorative manner, which isn't worthy of an insta-block. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't personally favour using the term "legacy admin", as I think there are more precise terms that can be used, but I appreciate that many use it as a different way of saying "long-tenured admin". Any disparagement is contextual from what is being implied about long-tenured admins. Ironically, trying to forbid its use as unhealthy is more likely to make it considered an insult by default. I don't think the community's usage is there yet, and so would rather not label it as a taboo term. isaacl (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I dunno if "legacy admin" is strictly speaking a personal attack, though it does have negative connotations. I've only really ever seen it used as a short hand descriptor for an admin who passed RfA in the early/Wild West days of the project, who has kept the bit, but has not kept up with the changing standards required of admins in the last fifteen to twenty years. Someone who has kept up with the standards wouldn't ordinarily be considered a "legacy admin", they'd just be an admin. Firefangledfeathers pointed out a June 2023 Arb case where multiple editors used the term in this manner, and as far as I can tell it wasn't considered a personal attack by the committee. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do not endorse. While the comment was not the greatest, it was not a personal attack and definitely not worthy of a block. "Legacy admin" can be used disparagingly, but there is a very big difference between being mildly disparaging about an unnamed party and making a personal attack. Thryduulf (talk) 00:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bad block - Unless I'm completely oblivious to some sort of abjectly offensive meaning to legacy admin, that is not remotely block-worthy. I cannot find anything in the diff that would warrant even a warning. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Especially given that Tewder had a clean block log, what could possible be so bad about this comment to warrant a block? Tewder has no history of WP:CIVIL block. Yet we let some long-term "net positive" users be patently offensive and give them only warnings? EvergreenFir (talk) 01:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do not endorse (a/k/a strongly disapprove). I find this block, of a good-faith editor who has been contributing for five years with no prior block history, to be shockingly bad. Whether or not one cares for the term "legacy administrator," it is hardly a blockworthy personal attack, especially since the term has been frequently used (including even on arbitration pages) for years, and I don't believe anyone has ever before been blocked or even seriously criticized for using it. The block is even more troubling because it was based on a comment that was not obviously inappropriate and was not preceded with any form of warning. Sandstein has stated that he blocked instead of warned because Tewdar had posted a notice on his talkpage stating
do not leave generic templated notices on this page
. That rationale is completely unpersuasive. Even if that notice were taken literally, this situation did not call for a "generic templated notice" anyway; if any warning were warranted, it would have been a customized one tailored to the specific, somewhat ususual situation. Thus, I find the block seriously flawed both substantively and procedurally. If the block had not expired by time before I saw the unblock request, I would have unblocked. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC) - Bad block. I'm involved here and have already expressed my view at Tewdar's talk page. The block was based on three premises: None of the three premises are true. Tewdar's comment was not about Pepperbeast, but an unnamed admin. "Legacy admin" is used commonly here and I've never seen anyone blocked for it (e.g. many uses by editors and admins in good standing in this discussion). I appreciate Alalch's argument that we should stop using the term, but I'd prefer we discuss that first before blocking. Even if we assume that it is a personal attack, Sandstein admitted that he'd normally have warned about it rather than blocked. He only blocked because Tewdar had a banner (visible in this version) asking people not to post "generic templated messages". You can still warn a user without using a template. In fact, we encourage people not to template experienced users. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tewdar was calling Pepperbeast a "legacy admin"
- "Legacy admin" is a personal attack
- This particular personal attack merited a block without warning
- Bad block. I agree with Dennis above that Tewdar's comment was barely worth warning about, let alone blocking over. Bishonen | tålk 01:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC).
- Bad block I agree with what others here have said, particularly Dennis Brown, Newyorkbrad and Firefangledfeathers. Tewdar can be acerbic at times, and the comment that lead to this block is certainly in that vein, but that doesn't really rise to the level of a block. Blocks are supposed to be preventative, but I don't really know what this block was intended to prevent other than perhaps another sarcastic comment. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bad block. It is, in fact, true that our standards for admins have shifted over time and that this has sometimes led to problems stemming from people who went through RFA decades ago who don't know policy as well as we'd expect from a new candidate today; and "legacy admin" is a fairly common and uncontroversial way to summarize this, at least in the context of ArbCom,WP:ANI, and similar places where people are debating whether and why an admin has erred. I can understand people not liking the term; certainly, in some contexts, it could qualify as an WP:ASPERSION, since it's calling an admin's competence into question. But like any potential aspersion that also describes possibly genuine problems, it has to be handled with some caution. It's definitely not at the level where simply saying the term can reasonably lead to a block. More generally, this block smacks of lèse-majesté - it is simply not conceivable that someone could get a block with no warning for some similarly anodyne comment questioning the competence of non-admins. --Aquillion (talk) 09:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits." Those are the Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television, and with one exception, I don't believe I've ever used any of those terms before at Wikipedia. But they also don't bother me in the slightest, but that's tied, I guess, to my background, upbringing, culture, and ineffable elements of personality. I'm not bothered when Tewdar, or other users use them, especially in non-accusatory ways, or without hurtful intent or result. However, I recognize that we are all human, and other editors with other backgrounds bring other experiences and reactions to bear, and that Wikipedia has a schizophrenic attitude about how we deal with profanity and blasphemy. For me, perceived intent is a lot of it, and I perceive no ill intent on the part of Tewdar in this case, and therefore I view this as a bad block as well. At the same time, for more than a decade, I have considered Sandstein a model admin (surprised? we've had no interactions iirc, yet still I've always looked up to you), and guess what—admins are human beings, and I'm not going to criticize their call on this one, even as I disagree with it. I'm perfectly willing to grant their take on this based on their experience, and this doesn't shake my impression of them in the slightest. To Tewdar: if you can please fuck off with the fucking "fuck-you's", at least to the fuckers who react differently to this shit than you and I do, you'd have a fucking better time of it, imho; so get your fucking shit together. And how 'bout that beer? And a very pleasant good-night, and happy editing to you! (edit conflict) Mathglot (talk) 09:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not a great block, but then you have to consider
I'd have normally warned you first, but that would not have been helpful in your case since you write at the top of your talk page: "Do NOT post generic templated messages on this page! I won't read 'em anyway, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about!
which is not an unreasonable point - I note Tewdar has removed this now, which is definitely a good idea. Black Kite (talk) 10:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC) - Blocking admin's comment: Thanks to all who left feedback above. I'll take it into account the next time I'm about to block somebody.
- It underlines (again) the very significant disagreements surrounding civility and its enforcement in our community. I'm quite aware that I'm at the strict end of the spectrum in this respect. In my view, civility and the expectation underlying WP:NPA - comment on the content, not the contributor - are of essential importance for making an international, mostly anonymous, collaborative project work, and for attracting and retaining good editors. In my view, Tewdar's conduct at issue, in which they disparaged others as a "legacy admin", did not live up to these expectations, and merited administrative action. And if people post flippant notices on their talk pages telling us that "I probably wouldn't give a ha'penny fuck about whatever it is you're complaining about!", they take the risk that they will not be warned before any block because such warnings would be ineffective - by their own account, and because the tone of the message indicates that they are not someone who would take any kind of warning seriously in any case.
- I understand that many here take a different view. Regardless, as long as we as a community don't come to an agreement about the degree of civility we are willing to expect and enforce in practice, I think that we must live with the fact that individual admins will apply their individual standards in deciding whether to block (or not block) somebody, which will result in uneven enforcement. In this respect, I see my approach as somewhat counterbalancing that of the admins who will not take action to enforce our community standards, especially if doing so against the wrong people would make them unpopular.
- I do take Aquillion's point, though, that admins, as people exercising authority, must remain open to criticism, which must not be sanctioned as lèse-majesté - even though admins, like all editors, have a right to be treated civilly. In my view, this concern does not apply here because the person who was attacked, Pepperbeast, is not an admin.
- Procedurally, I believe that this review request is out of process and should be closed. Per WP:XRVPURPOSE above, XRV does not apply to "an action with a dedicated review process". That is the case here, as Tewdar used the dedicated unblock review process, and their unblock request was reviewed and declined by 331dot. This review request is, therefore, forum shopping. Sandstein 10:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)