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Revision as of 02:03, 14 January 2013
Michigan State Trunkline Highway System
– A reviewer has placed this review on hold pending fixes from the nominator.
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Michigan State Trunkline Highway System ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review
- Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
- Nominator's comments: 2013 will be the centennial of the creation of Michigan's highway system. We have no formula for system articles yet, and an attempt to have this peer-reviewed didn't solicit any comments. The previous ACR closed without much review either. The goal is to get this sent to FAC early in 2013 so that the article could be the TFA for May 13, 2012.
- Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 10:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- First comment occurred: 10:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Review by Rschen7754
I plan to make some general comments about the content and structure, but don't plan to actually review until other editors have made comments on the structure. --Rschen7754 10:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- You know, the overall structure seems fine. Awaiting other comments before reviewing. --Rschen7754 08:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Comment by TCN7JM
I may or may not review prose later, but I do have one comment on the lead.
- "These unsigned trunklines are mostly segments of former highway designations that have been moved or had the designations decommissioned."
Does the word "designation" need to be used twice in that sentence? I think it would look better as "These unsigned trunklines are mostly segments of former highway designations that have been moved or decommissioned."
–TCN7JM 07:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments from Dough4872
Most of these comments were taken from the review I did last year.
- The lead could be expanded. Maybe mention some information about the non-MDOT roads in the state as well as a brief history of the system.
- Maybe link decommissioned to Decommissioned highway instead of wiktionary.
- Instead of using ""Route 28" or "Highway 28", but as M-28", I would use the more generic ""Route nn" or "Highway nn", but as M-nn".
- Is it necessary to describe the other uses of the M-x convention?
- "two-lane highways in far-flung rural areas", perhaps use something better than far-flung like remote.
- You should include the mileage of the system in the State Trunkline Highways section.
- Citation needed for "The highways names for special routes are formed by prefacing the parent highway with the type of special route. The full names are commonly abbreviated like other highways: Business Loop Interstate 196 (BL I-196), Business M-60 (BUS M-60) or Connector M-44 (CONN M-44)."
- Perhaps provide more details onto how the CDH's are numbered.
- Citation needed for "Other county systems are designated and maintained in each of the 83 counties and practices vary between using the pentagon marker to older square markers in black and white."
- "roads districts", is that what it is called and not road districts or roads district?
- Is the price of a barrel of flour really relevant to this article?
- "This supervision was difficult since in one case, one county covered all of the Upper Peninsula and several of today's counties in the Lower Peninsula", perhaps mention the name of this county.
- Perhaps move "The first centerline was invented in 1911 in Wayne County by Edward N. Hines." to before "The first centerline was painted on a state highway in 1917 along the Marquette-Negaunee Road which was designated Trunkline 15, now Marquette County Road 492".
- The article seems to be missing more recent history of the highway system, is there some that can be added?
- Is it possible to add more road pictures to the article to illustrate examples of highways in Michigan? Dough4872 00:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments by Viridiscalculus
The History section is very unbalanced and suffers from the opposite of recentism. There are nine paragraphs about the road system in the 19th century and earlier. This is great except for the fact that there is more information there than in the section about the 20th century, when the Michigan State Trunkline Highway System was actually created and constructed. There are only two paragraphs devoted to everything that happened in the last 85 years, and many major areas of discussion have been only glancingly mentioned or not at all. The prose also has a high density of superlatives. Although superlatives are great to have and are juicy morsels for readers, they lose their punch if they comprise most of the prose. The superlatives need to be tied together into a narrative.
Here are some themes you should explore to expand the article's 20th century history, roughly in chronological order, based on my impressions of how most state highway systems developed. No two state highway systems developed the same exact way, but there were enough analogous actions and motives to be able to put together similar narratives. You have addressed many of these already, but there may be facets you have yet to explore.
- The Good Roads Movement causes state resources to be devoted to modern road construction. At first, the state offers expert advice to the counties and conducts statewide studies of the highway system. The state sweetens the pot by offering funding or rewards to the counties for building modern roads paved in macadam or concrete.
- However, these state-aided roads constructed by the county are poorly constructed, seem to be placed at random, or both. Therefore, the state steps in and starts constructing the roads itself and laying out a system, with a goal of connecting all county seats and major cities and towns in the state. Little regard was paid to coordinating with neighboring states at first.
- Many of the most important existing roads in the state are turnpikes, plank roads, and the like in varying levels of quality. The state acquired the roads or the road right of way by one or more methods and used the routes for this new statewide system.
- Early roads are narrow by modern standards, often being 14 feet or less in width. The state developed or parroted methods of widening roads, particularly along heavily traveled thoroughfares.
- World War I affected the state highway system. Heavy military traffic and truck traffic related to the war effort damaged the existing roads and created lessons in building roads that can stand up to the heavy traffic. Many roads were improved or proposed to be improved due to their wartime importance.
- Especially in northern states, not expending effort to clear snow from the roads in the winter led to the roads being closed to many automobiles for months. When spring comes, the roads are found to have been heavily damaged. Thus, snow removal became an important task.
- The rural versus urban conflict came into play with state road systems. Rural areas often were favored in construction of new roads by the state. Conversely, the cities often resisted being pulled into the state road system.
- There were conflicts between the railroads and the state highway system on what to do when the two crossed. Construction of grade separations became important to improve traffic flow and eliminate the danger of fatal collisions. Many state highways in urban areas doubled as streetcar routes, with all of the entailing conflict until the streetcar routes were discontinued and the road was then only used for automobiles.
- Federal aid for lateral and post roads affected which roads were improved and spurred such construction.
- The U.S. Highway system is introduced, affecting which corridors are deemed most important and resulting in route number changes.
- Early on, roads were improved in place. New pavement was laid on trails used for decades. As road planning, engineering, and construction improved, dangerous curves were bypassed and dangerous and deficient bridges were replaced with modern ones. In addition, roads were built on an entirely new path using the latest methods. New roads were constructed through rural areas to better connect two locations. New roads were constructed to bypass towns and separate local and long-distance traffic. Passage through major geographic barriers like mountains was improved by building on a new alignment.
- In many cases, existing roads could no longer be expanded in urban and suburban areas. To avoid this problem, new highways were built with two carriageways or designed in such a way to allow a second carriageway to be built when necessary without needing to acquire more land. Twin carriageways also mostly solved the problem of head-on collisions.
- The concept of access of control is introduced to avoid the problem of rampant development directly along highways.
- Grade separation of two or more highways is introduced with interchanges to connect the highways.
- The first freeways are built, mostly in urban areas.
- World War II caused a major shift in priorities. Most highways languished in favor of improving and constructing new highways to serve important military routes and access military bases and crucial war manufacturing centers.
- Following the war, there is a burst of highway-building activity in all areas of the state to compensate for the concentrated priorities of the war effect and explosive population growth, particularly as people flee the cities for the suburbs.
- Maintenance deferred during the war is corrected. Minor highways are gradually improved to modern standards over the decades.
- Freeways and other controlled-access highways are built to bypass towns and cities. Highways are widened and dualized.
- Freeways and other controlled-access highways are planned on long-distance routes through rural areas to connect cities and relieve the older highways. Many of the freeways are planned as toll roads due to the 50:50 federal aid split not being good enough financially...
- ...until the state scraps toll road plans with the introduction of the Interstate Highway System and its 90:10 federal aid split.
- The Interstates take many, many years to be built. Once Interstate routes are completed, the old state highways along a corridor are bypassed, and some are removed from the state highway system or even the U.S. Highway system.
- Freeway revolts redirect, delay, inhibit, or kill freeway plans. The rise of environmentalism does the same.
- New freeways are built that take advantage of the latest planning, engineering, and construction methods. Old freeways need to be rebuilt to modern standards as much as possible to eliminate sharp curves, narrow roadways, and poorly designed bridges and interchanges.
I am probably missing many helpful themes, especially themes closer to the present day, but these ones should be helpful in adding content. Feel free to add more themes to help this article achieve the proper breadth and depth. VC 01:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
What is the status? It's been almost a month. --Rschen7754 08:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- The article has not been edited since November. If the Pennsylvania Turnpike ACR got archived for lack of activity, this one should be, too. VC 13:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Image review and spotcheck
I intend to do this. –Fredddie™ 00:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- File:I-75.svg
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PD-MUTCD (corrected license)
- File:M-28.svg
PD Michigan
- File:MI highways.svg
PD-self (I made it)
- File:Business Loop 196 spaced.svg
PD-MUTCD
- File:M-60Bus.svg
PD Michigan
- File:Cheboygan County C-66.svg
PD-MUTCD
- File:Michigan 492 Marquette County.svg
PD-ineligible
- File:Forest Route 16.svg
PD-MUTCD (corrected license)
- File:Great Lakes Circle Tour.svg
PD Michigan (OTRS)
- File:Michigan Historic Heritage Route.svg
PD Michigan (OTRS)
- File:WelcomeToMichiganSignUS8Nov2009.jpg
CC-BY-SA
- File:US 31 Michigan 1926.svg
PD-MUTCD
- File:M-35 1926.svg
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- File:M-Blank.svg
PD Michigan