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*'''Delete'''POV [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 23:32, May 23, 2005 (UTC) |
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:personal abuse deleeted--[[User:Argyrosargyrou|Argyrosargyrou]] 15:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' POV rant. [[User:Revolución|Revolución]] 23:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' POV rant. [[User:Revolución|Revolución]] 23:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' as per User:RickK. [[User:DoubleBlue|DoubleBlue]] (Talk) 01:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' as per User:RickK. [[User:DoubleBlue|DoubleBlue]] (Talk) 01:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC) |
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Count my vote to keep this page. The Greek Genocide committed by the Turks has been officially recognized by Greece and the States of New York, New Jersey, South California and Georgia. The historical facts proving the Genocide are testified by the books of two US diplomats, Ambassador Morgentau and Consul Horton. |
Count my vote to keep this page. The Greek Genocide committed by the Turks has been officially recognized by Greece and the States of New York, New Jersey, South California and Georgia. The historical facts proving the Genocide are testified by the books of two US diplomats, Ambassador Morgentau and Consul Horton. (Revision as of 11:18, 27 May 2005 81.240.248.162) |
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*'''Keep''' This page should be kept. |
*'''Keep''' This page should be kept. (Revision as of 21:27, 27 May 2005 Dionis) |
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*'''Keep''' This page should be kept. (Revision as of 14:18, 26 May 2005 134.58.253.113) |
*'''Keep''' This page should be kept. (Revision as of 14:18, 26 May 2005 134.58.253.113) |
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*'''Keep''' Excellent and accurate work! Well done! I vote to keep this page (Revision as of 10:38, 26 May 2005 212.205.252.139 ) |
*'''Keep''' Excellent and accurate work! Well done! I vote to keep this page (Revision as of 10:38, 26 May 2005 212.205.252.139 ) |
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*'''Keep''' I also vote to keep this page. (Revision as of 10:53, 26 May 2005 24.61.109.180) |
*'''Keep''' I also vote to keep this page. (Revision as of 10:53, 26 May 2005 24.61.109.180) Count my vote to keep this page. The area where Turkey is now was full of Greeks. Now there are just a handful. The number of those that made it out of that area is only a fraction to the number that were once in that area. What happened to the missing? (Revision as of 13:14, 26 May 2005 24.61.109.180) |
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*'''Keep'''. There is substantial evidence that the genocides commited by the Turks in the years between 1908 and 1923 (Armenian, Hellenic, Assyrian and others) are a fact, involving the extermination and deportation of millions. The fact that after decades of a fruitless denial, Turkey still cannot come to grips with these facts, does not make it reasonable not to present them or consider them disputable. A genocide does not have to be recognised by its perpetrators to actually be a genocide.--[[User:Spryom|Spryom]] 12:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. There is substantial evidence that the genocides commited by the Turks in the years between 1908 and 1923 (Armenian, Hellenic, Assyrian and others) are a fact, involving the extermination and deportation of millions. The fact that after decades of a fruitless denial, Turkey still cannot come to grips with these facts, does not make it reasonable not to present them or consider them disputable. A genocide does not have to be recognised by its perpetrators to actually be a genocide.--[[User:Spryom|Spryom]] 12:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC) |
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**User's second edit to Wikipedia. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 20:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC) |
**User's second edit to Wikipedia. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 20:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 13:16, May 26, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 13:16, May 26, 2005 (UTC) |
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**Please explain your vote. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 20:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC) |
**Please explain your vote. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 20:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' The articles of US and British newspapers of that period confirm the genocide that took place in Minor Asia and resulted to the extermination of all non christians. Please keep this page. Mark Tomson. USA |
*'''Keep''' The articles of US and British newspapers of that period confirm the genocide that took place in Minor Asia and resulted to the extermination of all non christians. Please keep this page. Mark Tomson. USA (Revision as of 21:19, 26 May 2005 212.70.194.23) |
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*'''Keep''' This is an excellent factual contribution providing information on a Gewnocide that has been hidden for too long because it is denied by the perpetrators, the Turks, who now are trying to remove it. It is a fact that probably a minimum of 1 million Greeks were murdered in a systematic act of genocide, and that fact should never be forgotten. In order to check facts, one only has to check census figures collected by the Ottoma\n Empire for minirities. Only the heads of households were counted. Where are those hundreds of thousands of heads of households now? Where are their families? Denying the facts of genocide permits genocide to be committed. This Genocide is a fact, as was the Genocide of the Armenians, now recognised by more countries each year, in spite of the insistance by Turkey that it never happened. To not have this article would be to politicise Wikipedia. For an introduction to this subject read a book written by a contemporary witness, US Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, read 'The Blight of Asia', available to read online and in bookstores. |
*'''Keep''' This is an excellent factual contribution providing information on a Gewnocide that has been hidden for too long because it is denied by the perpetrators, the Turks, who now are trying to remove it. It is a fact that probably a minimum of 1 million Greeks were murdered in a systematic act of genocide, and that fact should never be forgotten. In order to check facts, one only has to check census figures collected by the Ottoma\n Empire for minirities. Only the heads of households were counted. Where are those hundreds of thousands of heads of households now? Where are their families? Denying the facts of genocide permits genocide to be committed. This Genocide is a fact, as was the Genocide of the Armenians, now recognised by more countries each year, in spite of the insistance by Turkey that it never happened. To not have this article would be to politicise Wikipedia. For an introduction to this subject read a book written by a contemporary witness, US Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, read 'The Blight of Asia', available to read online and in bookstores. (Revision as of 22:09, 26 May 2005 AnnaL) |
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*'''Keep''' The turks are responsible for the Armenian, Greek and Syrian Genocide and the EU is starting to press forward with this issue.. it seems that turkish propaganda is playing a detremental role. Until this very day churches are confiscated. By deleting this article, means that were are giving in to barbarism and lies. Hopefully this is not what wikipedia is about. |
*'''Keep''' The turks are responsible for the Armenian, Greek and Syrian Genocide and the EU is starting to press forward with this issue.. it seems that turkish propaganda is playing a detremental role. Until this very day churches are confiscated. By deleting this article, means that were are giving in to barbarism and lies. Hopefully this is not what wikipedia is about. (Revision as of 10:41, 27 May 2005 62.252.32.14) |
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*'''Keep''' I think this is a well written article. The Turks should come to terms with their own history and stop being stubborn about it. Germany is a great example of a country that has repented for their sins. The European Union are pressing Turkey for this issue and also to have relations with Armenia. What are Turks afraid of anyway, true free ethnic equality? |
*'''Keep''' I think this is a well written article. The Turks should come to terms with their own history and stop being stubborn about it. Germany is a great example of a country that has repented for their sins. The European Union are pressing Turkey for this issue and also to have relations with Armenia. What are Turks afraid of anyway, true free ethnic equality? (Revision as of 20:09, 27 May 2005 138.5.97.153) |
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*'''Weak Keep''' The topic is noteworthy in spite of the obvious problems with the current content. Whether the article content is accurate or POV should not drive the deletion decision. Those can be fixed via editing and fact checking. The debate surrounding the historical facts is relevant and there is content available to fix this article's content. Having an article about this topic is appropriate. My only reservations are about the chances of this article successfully reaching NPOV status. Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter I expect that will be a challenge. [[User:Tobycat|Tobycat]] 20:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Weak Keep''' The topic is noteworthy in spite of the obvious problems with the current content. Whether the article content is accurate or POV should not drive the deletion decision. Those can be fixed via editing and fact checking. The debate surrounding the historical facts is relevant and there is content available to fix this article's content. Having an article about this topic is appropriate. My only reservations are about the chances of this article successfully reaching NPOV status. Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter I expect that will be a challenge. [[User:Tobycat|Tobycat]] 20:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. (Note that I ''am not'' a sockpuppet). I posted a blurb to the article's talk page before it was VfD'ed, but I'll post again here. The article as it stands now is a POV rant with major factual inaccuracies/distortions. I had suggested renaming to a less-inflammatory title or merging with other articles, but facts that I can find are scattered through several other Greek/Greece/Turkey/Turkish articles. It is a historical fact that Greek people were forcibly removed from Turkey, just like Turks were forcibly removed from Greece, Armenians from Turkey, etc. Pretty much every ethinc/national group in that region has been on the top and the bottom of the hierarchy at one time or another. All of these events are pretty important, if little-known, historical facts (read anything about the region by [[Robert D. Kaplan]] for some great predictions). They helped lead to WWI and WWII... may lead to WWIII. The entire family of articles about Balkan history needs a ton of work, but I don't know nearly enough to do anything. Sadly, most of the people who do know enough seem to be from the region, so they bring a strong POV to editing. [[User:Feco|Feco]] 22:20, 27 May 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. (Note that I ''am not'' a sockpuppet). I posted a blurb to the article's talk page before it was VfD'ed, but I'll post again here. The article as it stands now is a POV rant with major factual inaccuracies/distortions. I had suggested renaming to a less-inflammatory title or merging with other articles, but facts that I can find are scattered through several other Greek/Greece/Turkey/Turkish articles. It is a historical fact that Greek people were forcibly removed from Turkey, just like Turks were forcibly removed from Greece, Armenians from Turkey, etc. Pretty much every ethinc/national group in that region has been on the top and the bottom of the hierarchy at one time or another. All of these events are pretty important, if little-known, historical facts (read anything about the region by [[Robert D. Kaplan]] for some great predictions). They helped lead to WWI and WWII... may lead to WWIII. The entire family of articles about Balkan history needs a ton of work, but I don't know nearly enough to do anything. Sadly, most of the people who do know enough seem to be from the region, so they bring a strong POV to editing. [[User:Feco|Feco]] 22:20, 27 May 2005 (UTC) |
Revision as of 15:34, 28 May 2005
Hellenic Genocide
Vote to Delete
- personal abuse deleeted--Argyrosargyrou 15:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete POV rant. Revolución 23:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as per User:RickK. DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Insulting, vulgar and a blatant attempt to politicise Wikipedia --E.A 16:12, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete POV rant. carmeld1 23:12, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete After the Greeks were defeated, Venizelos and Ataturk made an agreement to exchange the populations. Around a million Greek left Anatolia while around 400.000 Turks left Greece. That is what happened to missing Greek population. Greeks were defeated in the war and Lausanne Treaty is the end. What is Hellenic Genocide??? Hypocricy! Unbelievably insulting and subjective...POV rant -Cansın 3.20, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete POV rant. feyz 4:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Too POV to be salvaged. Xcali 05:27, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Sholtar 14:50, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Vote to Keep:
Count my vote to keep this page. The Greek Genocide committed by the Turks has been officially recognized by Greece and the States of New York, New Jersey, South California and Georgia. The historical facts proving the Genocide are testified by the books of two US diplomats, Ambassador Morgentau and Consul Horton. (Revision as of 11:18, 27 May 2005 81.240.248.162)
- Keep This page should be kept. (Revision as of 21:27, 27 May 2005 Dionis)
- Keep This page should be kept. (Revision as of 14:18, 26 May 2005 134.58.253.113)
- Keep Excellent and accurate work! Well done! I vote to keep this page (Revision as of 10:38, 26 May 2005 212.205.252.139 )
- Keep I also vote to keep this page. (Revision as of 10:53, 26 May 2005 24.61.109.180) Count my vote to keep this page. The area where Turkey is now was full of Greeks. Now there are just a handful. The number of those that made it out of that area is only a fraction to the number that were once in that area. What happened to the missing? (Revision as of 13:14, 26 May 2005 24.61.109.180)
- Keep. There is substantial evidence that the genocides commited by the Turks in the years between 1908 and 1923 (Armenian, Hellenic, Assyrian and others) are a fact, involving the extermination and deportation of millions. The fact that after decades of a fruitless denial, Turkey still cannot come to grips with these facts, does not make it reasonable not to present them or consider them disputable. A genocide does not have to be recognised by its perpetrators to actually be a genocide.--Spryom 12:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep--. History of genocide must not be suppressed to serve political expediency. Argyrosargyrou 12:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Karol 13:16, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep The articles of US and British newspapers of that period confirm the genocide that took place in Minor Asia and resulted to the extermination of all non christians. Please keep this page. Mark Tomson. USA (Revision as of 21:19, 26 May 2005 212.70.194.23)
- Keep This is an excellent factual contribution providing information on a Gewnocide that has been hidden for too long because it is denied by the perpetrators, the Turks, who now are trying to remove it. It is a fact that probably a minimum of 1 million Greeks were murdered in a systematic act of genocide, and that fact should never be forgotten. In order to check facts, one only has to check census figures collected by the Ottoma\n Empire for minirities. Only the heads of households were counted. Where are those hundreds of thousands of heads of households now? Where are their families? Denying the facts of genocide permits genocide to be committed. This Genocide is a fact, as was the Genocide of the Armenians, now recognised by more countries each year, in spite of the insistance by Turkey that it never happened. To not have this article would be to politicise Wikipedia. For an introduction to this subject read a book written by a contemporary witness, US Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, read 'The Blight of Asia', available to read online and in bookstores. (Revision as of 22:09, 26 May 2005 AnnaL)
- Keep The turks are responsible for the Armenian, Greek and Syrian Genocide and the EU is starting to press forward with this issue.. it seems that turkish propaganda is playing a detremental role. Until this very day churches are confiscated. By deleting this article, means that were are giving in to barbarism and lies. Hopefully this is not what wikipedia is about. (Revision as of 10:41, 27 May 2005 62.252.32.14)
- Keep I think this is a well written article. The Turks should come to terms with their own history and stop being stubborn about it. Germany is a great example of a country that has repented for their sins. The European Union are pressing Turkey for this issue and also to have relations with Armenia. What are Turks afraid of anyway, true free ethnic equality? (Revision as of 20:09, 27 May 2005 138.5.97.153)
- Weak Keep The topic is noteworthy in spite of the obvious problems with the current content. Whether the article content is accurate or POV should not drive the deletion decision. Those can be fixed via editing and fact checking. The debate surrounding the historical facts is relevant and there is content available to fix this article's content. Having an article about this topic is appropriate. My only reservations are about the chances of this article successfully reaching NPOV status. Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter I expect that will be a challenge. Tobycat 20:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. (Note that I am not a sockpuppet). I posted a blurb to the article's talk page before it was VfD'ed, but I'll post again here. The article as it stands now is a POV rant with major factual inaccuracies/distortions. I had suggested renaming to a less-inflammatory title or merging with other articles, but facts that I can find are scattered through several other Greek/Greece/Turkey/Turkish articles. It is a historical fact that Greek people were forcibly removed from Turkey, just like Turks were forcibly removed from Greece, Armenians from Turkey, etc. Pretty much every ethinc/national group in that region has been on the top and the bottom of the hierarchy at one time or another. All of these events are pretty important, if little-known, historical facts (read anything about the region by Robert D. Kaplan for some great predictions). They helped lead to WWI and WWII... may lead to WWIII. The entire family of articles about Balkan history needs a ton of work, but I don't know nearly enough to do anything. Sadly, most of the people who do know enough seem to be from the region, so they bring a strong POV to editing. Feco 22:20, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Additional Comments:
Could do with expanding, to cover Crusader genocide, British Imperialist genocide, Christian genocide (of all faiths other than their own, and all pagans), and probably the genocide committed by polar bears on seals. Entire Wiki on its own, here. --Simon Cursitor 07:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Learn a little bit about Turkey and Turks...Most of the people living in Turkey who identify themselves as Turk are not ethnically Turkish. How anybody claim that Turks in Turkey are ethnically Turk? We are so mixed up. Armenian/Greek/Kurd/Arab/Turk/Caucasian...etc.They mixed up for centuries...The states in Anatolia during the 13th and 14th century were Byzantinum, basically Christian, then most of them converted to Islam due to the political and business reasons...Don't you see: We are same except religion...I travelled extensively in Greece, I love Greece and Greek people..I never had any bad experience in Greece, and when I shut my ears, everybody look like the people you can run accross anywhere in Turkey. Leave this hatred propaganda...We fought because of religion difference, the war ended 90 years ago, and Greek army was defeated. Leave it behind...Come and see Turkey, have Turkish friends...enjoy peace! -Cansın 19.08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Removed double vote by: 24.61.109.180
I find it suspicious that only 3 out of the 9 Keeps are registered users, and that the anonymous contributors have only ever voted on this article and done nothing else.
Argyrosargyrou using multiple IP's is vandalism. --E.A 14:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I am not using multiple IP's --Argyrosargyrou 15:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC) -- deleted personal attack RickK 20:27, May 27, 2005 (UTC)