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::::I trimmed it down further (about 20Kb) and it still seems to work as well as ever. Is there any recomended maximum size on templates? As I understand it the 1Mb thing is a hard limit on the sum of all transclutions per article. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 01:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC) |
::::I trimmed it down further (about 20Kb) and it still seems to work as well as ever. Is there any recomended maximum size on templates? As I understand it the 1Mb thing is a hard limit on the sum of all transclutions per article. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 01:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::Correct, which means that you can include this about 50 times tops per page, and that's assuming no other transclusions. I think you'll find that's rather limiting. Templates were never intended to be a programming language, and still aren't. A new ParserFunction would be much better for this. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 02:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC) |
:::::Correct, which means that you can include this about 50 times tops per page, and that's assuming no other transclusions. I think you'll find that's rather limiting. Templates were never intended to be a programming language, and still aren't. A new ParserFunction would be much better for this. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 02:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::Templates were never intended to be a programming language, but #expr was intended for unit conversion. You just need to make one small template for each conversion, instead of merging them all together with a huge #switch. Yes that requires N^2 templates, but who wants to know how many chains are in a furlong anyway? Just create templates for the common conversions. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 03:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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an annoying alert appears everytime when i browse wiki page......
since a few weeks ago, an annoying alert saying "do you want to allow a file to be downloaded?" has kept on jumping out everytime when i browse in wiki (this alert ONLY when i browse wiki)...either i click yes or no....nothing happen. it just keep jumping out in any page of wiki. this is a problem of IE i believe because this doesn't happen in firefox. but in other computers, this doesn't appear in IE either. it seems to be a problem only of myself. 219.77.121.33 17:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- It also appears to be a problem only you are having, sounds like your "Internet Explorer" browser has a problem. — xaosflux Talk 17:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- In Special:Preferences, go to the Editing tab and untick 'Use external editor by default'. Tra (Talk) 18:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm...Just tried that, but still useless.... I've just reinstalled IE, or trying to use IE 6, but still the problem isn't solved. Oh by the way, this problem has been emerging since few weeks ago. Before that, this problem never emerges, I don't know if it is the problem of windows update or what. Lugiadoom 21:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Try unticking 'Use external diff by default' as well. Tra (Talk) 00:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I just tried to uncheck that, (in fact i never check that two) still hasn't solved the problem. Quite strange. I have also cleared the cookies, temp files....But the problem still exist... Lugiadoom 05:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Does it give the name of the file it wants to download, and on which pages does it come up, which pages does it not come up on, does it still happen when you're not logged in, and do you get the same error when browsing meta: or wikibooks: (which run the same software)? Tra (Talk) 14:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- No, it just jumps out an alert window (as shown in this picture http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2264/sshot20061024010421kf1.jpg) This happens also even I'm not logged in, and yes this also happens when browsing meta: or wikibooks:. Lugiadoom 17:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Does it give the name of the file it wants to download, and on which pages does it come up, which pages does it not come up on, does it still happen when you're not logged in, and do you get the same error when browsing meta: or wikibooks: (which run the same software)? Tra (Talk) 14:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I just tried to uncheck that, (in fact i never check that two) still hasn't solved the problem. Quite strange. I have also cleared the cookies, temp files....But the problem still exist... Lugiadoom 05:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Try unticking 'Use external diff by default' as well. Tra (Talk) 00:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm...Just tried that, but still useless.... I've just reinstalled IE, or trying to use IE 6, but still the problem isn't solved. Oh by the way, this problem has been emerging since few weeks ago. Before that, this problem never emerges, I don't know if it is the problem of windows update or what. Lugiadoom 21:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- In Special:Preferences, go to the Editing tab and untick 'Use external editor by default'. Tra (Talk) 18:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this may sound paranoid, but when was the last time you updated your antivirus signatures and ran a complete scan? Have you ever run a program like Spybot Search & Destroy (also with updated signature files) to get rid of any mal/spyware that may have been installed on your computer without your knowledge? I ask this because the behavior you describe is not typical of wiki projects, and judging by the responses that you've gotten so far, not seen by other editors. Slambo (Speak) 17:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I updated that one week ago, but this happened since few weeks ago. I have been using Ad-Aware SE Personal for a few years... but i suspect this is a problem caused by some security updates...So i come and ask for advice. Lugiadoom 18:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- You mentioned security updates. Just to clarify, are you running Service Pack 2? I can see by the screenshot that you've downloaded a lot of toolbars etc. Did you install anything or change any of their settings around the time when the alerts appeared? Tra (Talk) 20:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes I use XP SP2, and windows often updates sth....Sometimes internet security files, although I don't know what they are...I have tried to uninstall the programs related to internet security (E.g. Norton Internet Security) but still useless... So i think it is related to XP itself...But I don't want to format my computer... Lugiadoom 20:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- What I mean is things like the Xango toolbar and anything you've downloaded that affects the user interface of Internet Explorer in some way. Try disabling them and see if you still get the problems. Tra (Talk) 21:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ohh....Just tried to disable the toolbars and some add ons, but useless. Argh, this is getting more and more confusing. Lugiadoom 09:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- What I mean is things like the Xango toolbar and anything you've downloaded that affects the user interface of Internet Explorer in some way. Try disabling them and see if you still get the problems. Tra (Talk) 21:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes I use XP SP2, and windows often updates sth....Sometimes internet security files, although I don't know what they are...I have tried to uninstall the programs related to internet security (E.g. Norton Internet Security) but still useless... So i think it is related to XP itself...But I don't want to format my computer... Lugiadoom 20:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- You mentioned security updates. Just to clarify, are you running Service Pack 2? I can see by the screenshot that you've downloaded a lot of toolbars etc. Did you install anything or change any of their settings around the time when the alerts appeared? Tra (Talk) 20:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's a server problem. With me it happens also and I use Firefox, not the silly IE --84.153.72.142 09:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Started happening for me also, for about a week now, using Firefox 1.5.0.7. It could be something in Firefox, or it could be caused by the server providing an incorrect Content-Type header. There's a case on BugZilla which looks like it could be the same issue. Bug 7082 --Rob.au 14:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This issue appears to be the same as the one being discussed elsewhere on this page at No extension downloads and messed up pages? What's going on? --Rob.au 14:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
PNG Compression
I don't think Wikipedia does it when generating thumbnails. Why not? -SharkD 14:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm just guessing here but probably because using a full 24 bit palette gives much better results when resizing images, with a bigger palette you can retain more details on a smaller area, thus thumbnail images (usualy) don't look like utter crap (compare PNG and GIF thumbnails). Pluss running more advanced optimalisation routines on the images would probably cost more CPU power than the saved bandwidth is worth. --Sherool (talk) 20:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- PNG images can be 24 or 32 bit and still benifit from compression. You'd think the thumbnails only need to be compressed once after editing a page that links them. However, if WP creates the thumbnails each time a visitor loads a page, I could see how the CPU issue would arise. -SharkD 01:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Image thumbnails are, of course, aggressively cached. Nevertheless, CPU is usually a bigger cost for us than bandwidth, AFAIK. More to the point, I don't think anyone's gotten around to fixing this. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- PNG images can be 24 or 32 bit and still benifit from compression. You'd think the thumbnails only need to be compressed once after editing a page that links them. However, if WP creates the thumbnails each time a visitor loads a page, I could see how the CPU issue would arise. -SharkD 01:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- All PNG images are compressed; there is no support for uncompressedimages in the PNG spec. --brion 12:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- I assume SharkD meant that PNGs aren't appropriately palleted and so forth. Although reading his second post I'm less sure. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- What I think SharkD is worrying about is that wikipedia needs to take up processor speed to resize large images every time somebody loads a page which shows that image in a different resolution. As far as I can tell, images are typically resized on the client side. Ever seen a small image on a fast webpage load real slow? Why would a small image load slow? Because the server actually holds the image as a big one, and it's sending all the data over to you for your browser to resize it.If images were normally resized on the server side, small images would always be sent over fast, though they wouldn't be there for a second or two while the server calculates the re-size. Wikipedia doesn't use up processing speed for making thumbnails, because it doesn't resize the images. It sends the image over in it's full size (which takes up lots of bandwidth), and tells the user's browser to resize it. As simetrical noted, bandwidth isn't the big concern for wikipedia right now, but automatically resizing every image uploaded to a bunch of different resolutions (like flickr does) would use up processor time, which is at a premium right now. So although the current system of no-precreated-thumbnails sometimes results in your browser taking a while to get all the image data of a huge image, it's simpler and easier on the servers as a whole for wikimedia to not have to resize and reprocess every image uploaded. -Monk of the highest order 01:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think you'll find you are wrong here. Wikipedia does create thumbnails/resize on the server. No client-side resizing is done. Have a look at the following copies of Image:Archilochus-alexandri-002-edit.jpg which I generated just now: 800px, 321px, 53px. If you look at the properties of the images, you will see that the file size is successively smaller. --TheParanoidOne 06:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm afraid Monk is quite wrong in this case; resizing is server-side. All thumbnails are 24-bit (32-bit?) colour and use rather naive selection of PNG mode/settings, so that the PNGs are for many images too large. I have long suggested that flags be added to the image syntax to fine-tune these settings - at least the bits per pixel. Deco 06:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think you'll find you are wrong here. Wikipedia does create thumbnails/resize on the server. No client-side resizing is done. Have a look at the following copies of Image:Archilochus-alexandri-002-edit.jpg which I generated just now: 800px, 321px, 53px. If you look at the properties of the images, you will see that the file size is successively smaller. --TheParanoidOne 06:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, template:Navigation bar is now ready for use (works with IE, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, Safari, and JAWS). It lets you turn a navigation box like this (old version of template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x400 m Men)
into a navigation bar like this (current version of template:Footer Olympic Champions 4x400 m Men)
Please see template:Navigation bar for usage information. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem to work in Internet Explorer 7. I just see the title with very thin (i.e. couple of pixels high) body with a horizontal scrollbar underneath. Tra (Talk) 01:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
DANGER: BAD IDEA – Before taking the leap with this template read my argument here. ...Or try using the navbox example above for more than five seconds. —Down10 TACO 06:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Also, the template is non-printable. -SharkD 07:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- The same section was created in the beginning of this month, then moved to a discussion page. I read it again and I'm completely OK with one thing I saw there : users hate horizontal scrolling. Please consider this. -- DLL .. T 18:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Screen real estate isn't that important to me on wikipedia. Especially at the end of the page. I'm fine with a big block, but all these busy boxes with their wheels and knobs and pulley-things just make a mess of a page. We're aiming for simplicity, which is why we don't usually use frames or textboxes in the first place. That's some nifty code, but I don't think it's apropos to wikipedia. -Monk of the highest order 01:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- The same section was created in the beginning of this month, then moved to a discussion page. I read it again and I'm completely OK with one thing I saw there : users hate horizontal scrolling. Please consider this. -- DLL .. T 18:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Thumbnail generation from SVG source buggy?
I've uploaded this image. The resulting thumbnail looks nothing like the source file. I've tested it and found it to work in both IE and FireFox (some bugs in older versions of FireFox, as FireFox didn't support the textPath element until v2.0). -SharkD 04:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- The image itself looks fine... I would think that is indeed a bug with ImageMagick? Titoxd(?!?) 04:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah the "raw" SVG file looks ok in Opera too, I know ImageMagic doesn't have 100% SVG support yet, so it's very likely a problem there. Not sure what you need to do to make a SVG compatable with ImageMagic though. --Sherool (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- The only thing I can think of is that I'm using float values (i.e., low values largely between 0 and 1) for stuff like coordinates, stroke-widths and font-sizes. -SharkD 07:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah the "raw" SVG file looks ok in Opera too, I know ImageMagic doesn't have 100% SVG support yet, so it's very likely a problem there. Not sure what you need to do to make a SVG compatable with ImageMagic though. --Sherool (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- We use rsvg, not ImageMagick, for SVG rendering. --brion 11:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Don't rsvg and FireFox both use Cairo as their backend? -SharkD 19:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Some wikitables no longer have any background
An interesting thing I've noticed over the past few days is that some tables using the wikitable class no longer have a grey background; instead, the background is completely white. What puzzles me, however, is that not all wikitables have lost their background. I'm using Firefox 2.0, though I don't know if this issue is browser-specific or not. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Same seems to go with everything that uses the CSS class "infobox". All band and film infoboxes on articles now have a white background instead of the grey one. I tried with both Firefox 1.07 and Opera 8.0. Prolog 13:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- See #Category pages background above. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I apologize, but I don't see anything in that section that relates to this issue - unless someone hacked the CSS in a way that messed up the table classes (wikitable, infobox, etc.). in order to fix that issue. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, true, it shouldn't affect wikitables. My bad. But the background seems to show up fine for me:
Could you provide screenshots? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 20:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Test
- Hmm, true, it shouldn't affect wikitables. My bad. But the background seems to show up fine for me:
- I apologize, but I don't see anything in that section that relates to this issue - unless someone hacked the CSS in a way that messed up the table classes (wikitable, infobox, etc.). in order to fix that issue. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Template Code
How does one automatically spot if a page exists or not in template code? I'd like, if it's possible, to set up a template (Template:GetOotM - It's a subsection of a bigger project), so that if the page doesn't exist I can manipulate the text of the redlink and set it up to pre-load some text on the page when an editor clicks on it. I can do all that - IF I can determine if the page exists. Adam Cuerden talk 04:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
From m:Parserfunctions:
ifexist returns one of two results based on whether or not a named title exists. The usual case-sensitivity applies: if a page exists then also a non-canonical name for that page gives a positive result. E.g. on Meta:
{{#ifexist:Bugs|Foo|RFC 3092}}
gives Foo, because Bugs exists{{#ifexist:bugs|Foo|RFC 3092}}
gives Foo, because bugs is in canonical form the existing Bugs{{#ifexist:BUGS|Foo|RFC 3092}}
gives Foo because BUGS does not exist{{#ifexist:m:Help:Calculation|Yes|Oops}}
gives Oops although m:Help:Calculation exists, because of the interwiki prefix.The first parameter is the title to check for, the second is the positive result, and the third, the negative result. If the parameter passed does not produce a valid title object, then the result is negative.
m:Template:exists (backlinks ) gives the same result, except that the result is positive for an interwiki link. m:Template:if interwiki link (backlinks ) exploits this difference.
Combine that with the preload stuff used in Template:AfD and you're all set. —Mets501 (talk) 05:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm finding it much harder to apply than I expected, I dear. Could one of you have a look and tell me where I'm messing up? Template:GetOotM The funny business with the [edit] is because this is part of a system for setting things up on the Opera project talk page, and I was finding it difficult to get a real edit box to apply to the right thing (kept editing one of the templates in the chain instead), so I faked it. In any case, the pages being linked shouldn't have a header because of where they're used.
If it matters, my preferred preloaded text is Template:OotMStandard. Could probably get a little more technical and add in the month automatically, but that'd have to be stripped from the file name, which may be too difficult.
I just hope when this is done that a lot of projects steal my code. Adam Cuerden talk 06:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden talk 06:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think you're making it more complex than it needs to be. Try just using #ifexist for the switch. Something like this:
{{#ifexist:Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/OotM/{{{month}}}{{{year}}} |{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/OotM/{{{month}}}{{{year}}}}} |[{{http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=OotMStandard+starter&title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Opera/OotM/{{{month}}}{{{year}}}}} Click Here to set up {{{month}}}'s Composer of the Month!] }}
- If it exists, it should paste in the text: See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Opera which uses another script to auto-update the front page every month, and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera, where they're prepared.
- I've still not got it fully working: Preloading isn't working yet: Note this produces a blank editbox
but using Template:Afd2 works fine: despite me setting Template:OotMStandard to the same as Afd2!?!?
What am I doing wrong in Template:OotMStandard?
- Calling it Template:OotMStandard starter in your preload link. Fix the link or move the template. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- ...Heh! Well, that's easy enough to fix. Thanks! Adam Cuerden talk 14:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- More specifically, if you don't use {{fullurl:}}, the links won't work properly when accessed via secure.wikimedia.org. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
History of edits - question/suggestion
Is there any possibility shorten the history of edits list? I'm thinking on:
- Aggregate multiple edits by same user. (Example: 5 consecutive edits by one user shown as a single edit.)
- Collapse revert history. (Just show the original edit and not the change/revert edits.)
- Hide bot edits.
- Hide minor edits.
- Hide simple edits (simple spelling corrections like white space, and punctuation, linking [[]]).
If this is not possible, will it be sometime? Of course all this should be accessible by a plus-sign or a expand-button, but when change in content is interesting, to many insignificant edits make page history hard to navigate. Sometimes there is just one important content edit in the last 50 edits. Would be nice to have a technical tool to reduce the complexity - Kristod (talk) 09:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- In my opinion, this would be a really good feature. I haven't found a similar proposal on http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org , maybe you should add this there. CyrilB 10:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I have often wished this would be done, another thing to do that would be even more useful would be to hide reverted edits. At present it is very difficult to read the history of an article. Martin 11:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- See Mediazilla:3640 for separating out reverted edits. Hiding bot/minor edits would be neat, certainly, and shouldn't be too hard to do right now (since it's done for RC et al.). Collapsing multiple edits by the same user should also be doable. Hiding "simple" edits would require more effort, as would identifying reverted edits. Certainly, open bugs on all these (separate bugs for each, please). —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 20:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hiding reverted edits shoudldn't be too hard. Especially when it's a straightfoward revert of one edit right after it's done. Just have a checking system where by each edit is checked with the revision two edits ago - and if there's no difference, hid the edit and the edit in the middle (if a edit is the same as the revision two edits ago, it means the middle edit was reverted). That would fish out the straightforward vandal attack + reverts, which is the majority of reverts. It hsould also fish out any revert wars and collaps the entire revert war. --`/aksha 01:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Editing Edit Summaries
I sometimes make typos in Edit Summaries, and would like to be able to fix them (eg if I mis-type a wikilink). Is there any way to do this? DuncanHill 14:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately not. If you type something really bad, e.g. reveal someone's personal information, it is possible for the revision to be deleted or oversighted. Tra (Talk) 14:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I've not done anything terrible, just wanted to make it easier for other users to see what I've done. I'll just have to take more care in typing! DuncanHill 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- If there's an essential correction that should be visible in the page history, you can also do a follow-up dummy edit with a new summary. Femto 15:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I've not done anything terrible, just wanted to make it easier for other users to see what I've done. I'll just have to take more care in typing! DuncanHill 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Adding a link to the Cheatsheet in editing-mode helpnotes?
I'd like to propose we add a link to Wikipedia:Cheatsheet, in the editing-mode layout, next to the "Cancel | Editing help (opens in new window)" links. eg:
- Cancel | Editing help & Cheatsheet (opens in new window)
Friends of mine who only edit very occasionally, have expressed frustration concerning finding reminders for basic wikicode easily (eg piping links); and are either daunted-by or disdainful-of the size/complexity of the Help:Editing page.
Thoughts? --Quiddity 06:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Cross-posted from Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Adding a link to the Cheatsheet in editing-mode helpnotes? who suggested I bring it up here too. Please give feedback there. Thanks :)
- Thoughts ? Strong support! Alas, there's so much to know : you still have to learn few by few. Did you try Wikipedia:Starter toolset : it's huge and still not enough. -- DLL .. T 20:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- That starter toolset page horrifies me ;) I pity the newcomer that gets directed towards it. Utterly overwhelming and unorganized.
- But, the Introduction and Tutorial are getting good, and the cheatsheet and Help:Contents menu span the edges (of simplicity vs in-depth). :) -Quiddity 04:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thoughts ? Strong support! Alas, there's so much to know : you still have to learn few by few. Did you try Wikipedia:Starter toolset : it's huge and still not enough. -- DLL .. T 20:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong support. I'd actually rather see Cheatsheet replace "Editing help," with a link on editing help to advanced help, but this'll do as well ;) --Wolf530 18:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Mass reversion
Hi there, I'm just a random wikipedian, but after looking through the recent changes (which I ususally do for fun now and then), besides the usual 10% changes being vandalism, I noticed by clicking on a vandal's user history, they had vanadalized some obscure articles that haven't been reverted. Do you guys have some sort of process to revert all a user's edits and block them? If not, I suggest you look into it.
- The process is normally either looking through recent changes or through your watchlist. Unfortunately, obscure articles are less likely to be on people's watchlists, so they will often be missed. In this case, the vandalism was missed so you need to go through the vandal's contributions list and revert all of the vandalism listed individually. As for warning and blocking vandals, WP:VAND will explain this. Has the vandal in question had their vandalism reverted yet, and if not please link to their contributions list. Tra (Talk) 23:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Metatags
How does the wiki software decides what to use for the "description" and "keywords" metatags? ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- As with most operations, MediaWiki works via a combination of sweat, blood and tears, and the enslavement, torture and forced labour of thousands of magical creatures, including but not limited to, pixies, fairies, gnomes, cute little squirrels and decapitated trout. The trout have the most important job; they are responsible for rendering the edit buttons. 164.11.204.56 04:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Very funny. Now, does anyone knows how MediaWiki creates metatags? ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't create a description metatag AFAICT. The keyword metatag is simply a collection of all outbound internal links from the page. (I don't know this for certain; this is a guess based on the HTML source code for this page now and other HTML sources I remember.) --ais523 17:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Very funny. Now, does anyone knows how MediaWiki creates metatags? ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I think it does. For example, take a look at the Google result for jew (it's the first thing I thought of). Under the Wikipedia link result is the text "Discussion of the difference between Jewish religion and ethnicity, with notes on the Jews' history, beliefs, and culture.". I assume that this is created by the MediaWiki software. —Daniel (‽) 20:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- In case you think this is only for popular articles, if you look up lemur the text reads "Encyclopedia gives a brief description of the physical traits of this animal.". It does sound computer-generated, but I'm interested in how the software does it. —Daniel (‽) 20:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- But, it seems elephant doesn't. Bizarre. —Daniel (‽) 20:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
No extension downloads and messed up pages? What's going on?
If it makes a difference, I'm using IE6
Whenever I click on a new article or page, it asks for me to download a file of the same name and it has no extension. If you save it or cancel it, nothing happens on the page. Click on the link again, and it works as usual. Also, this doesn't always happen.
With the same randomness, hitting the back button will often cause the page to become black with a few characters on it. I went back a few more, and it was fixed. Forward back them, and the problem was gone. Later, the same thing happened. Here's one example: �?���? Try and edit this. There will be a series of spaces that don't appear on the page. When you backspace the spaces well ahead of the characters, the charcters and the spaces begin to go. And yes, the spaces came with the copy for some odd reason. I'm going to try clearing my cache...Going back the pages that did this works now, but it may just be the randomness. Can anyone tell me what this is?
- Go to my preferences > Editing and untick 'Use external editor by default'. That article name you provided does not appear to be a valid article. Are you sure you gave the correct name? Tra (Talk) 17:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Snow White also believed that seven up was a drink. Try something stronger. -- DLL .. T 20:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is unchecked. And I didn't give any article names, are you sure that was meant to be for me?
- Frankly, I like IE. I've used Firfox, but I never really liked it. Even if I did want it, my dad would never let me install it. Yeah, I know, it's sad that my dad won't give me admin privledges on my own computer. On another note, the weird downloads are popping up again. It happened when I clicked the link to this page, in fact. I saved and opened it with Notepad, but it was just the same useless text my computer can't read that I gave you before, but slightly different. Each page seems to be different. Does anyone else have this problem or have any idea how this might be happenning? --RockMaster 01:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Firefox doesn't require admin privileges to install. IE doesn't work properly with most websites these days anyways, so no reason to keep using it. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 19:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Are you talking about XP Home, or XP Pro? If it's XP Pro, then the Power User group can do so. With XP Home, the only other user group besides Administrator is Restricted User. There are some programs, however, such as Google Video, that do not access WINDOWS32 or Program Files. Is Firefox one like this? And as far as I know, IE will work for most sites. --RockMaster 22:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- If there are concerns about privileges, then something like Mozilla Firefox - Portable Edition could be used. --TheParanoidOne 13:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Frankly, I like IE. I've used Firfox, but I never really liked it. Even if I did want it, my dad would never let me install it. Yeah, I know, it's sad that my dad won't give me admin privledges on my own computer. On another note, the weird downloads are popping up again. It happened when I clicked the link to this page, in fact. I saved and opened it with Notepad, but it was just the same useless text my computer can't read that I gave you before, but slightly different. Each page seems to be different. Does anyone else have this problem or have any idea how this might be happenning? --RockMaster 01:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I must have misunderstood you. I assumed that �?���? referred to the name of the article, rather than the contents of the download. Do you get the same results if you try to edit the pages both when logged in and when logged out? Tra (Talk) 01:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- That's alright, no harm done. Never tried logging out, but it would be tough to tell. It appears so randomly, and clearing the cache does make it stop for a while. The error of the page as a whole showing up as gibberish text hasn't appeared since I cleared my cache. I wish I could program a nice bot to go to pages a lot quicker than I can, to see if that glitch really stopped or if it's just occuring less. The file does not pop up as much, as oppossed to every single time now as well. --RockMaster 02:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This issue appears to be the same as the one being discussed elsewhere on this page at an annoying alert appears everytime when i browse wiki page...... --Rob.au 14:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- If bugzilla:1109, this should be fixed again as of a few minutes ago. --brion 22:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, it's not. That's in Firefox, and it asks to download index.php, not an extentionless file with the name of the page. If someone can tell me how to upload pictures here, I can give you screenshots of what the file and pages look like. --RockMaster 00:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Help
How do you write text so that there is a line going through the center of it? Thanks. Whirling Sands 03:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- <s>text</s> should give you
text. -- nae'blis 03:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)- Note that if you mean to delete text, go for the more contextually correct tag: <del>. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 02:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Upload Image license drop down box
At WikiProject Comics we've noticed that {{promocomic}} is not on the license drop down box. Where do I go to add it? I get there are concerns about using some classes of promotional images, but since no free to use image of comic book characters will ever exist, the fair use of these is just as strong as other images, perhaps stronger since they are released by the companies for the very purpose of promoting the work. Steve block Talk 09:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Bring it up on MediaWiki talk:Licenses. --Sherool (talk) 09:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, is that where it is. I spent ages looking for it but couldn't turn it up, cheers! Steve block Talk 10:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Favorites?
Since we can make profiles on the site, wouldn't it be a nice add on for us so have favorites? For example, I found the page about the real Dracula and I'd like to share it with my friends.
Just an idea, but I think it's a good one
- That's what del.icio.us and other "bookmark sharing" sites do, I think we should stick to just making a ensyclopedia. --Sherool (talk) 12:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- You can always wikilink to favourite articles from your user page or talk page. DuncanHill 17:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Creating a new Stub
Per the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2006/October#Cornwall_stub there was agreement to create a new upmerged stub for Cornwall. How do I do this? (I proposed the Cornwall stub so feel I ought to do it!). DuncanHill 15:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry - I've worked it out! DuncanHill 16:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
200px and other versions of re-uploaded image do not update
I uploaded new versions of the following images. The server's 200px, 180px, etc. versions did not seem to want to update. Sometimes they do though. Doesn't seem to be a browser cache issue. Is there any way to force this? I've had this problem before. Only thing I have been able to do is change the picture size in the articles (which got me no pic at all, red x, in one case).
- Image:Sony_news.jpg (worst case of it, 180px, 200px, 250px all old version)
- Image:Sparc1%2B.jpg (180px would not update, removed all references to it, don't know if its still stuck)
- I've purged both image pages. Do they look any better? Tra (Talk) 18:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, looks great. Thanks. Fourdee 23:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, something is still wrong with Image:Sparc1+.jpg - any use in an article gets no image, red x in explorer. For example, SPARCstation.
- Sorry, had the filename wrong above - not Sparc1%2B.jpg. Changed the version used in the relevant articles to 180px, which is the old version of the picture. Attempting to use 200px or 250px causes red X, no image. Thanks for your help.Fourdee 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, looks great. Thanks. Fourdee 23:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
editing question
Hi,
New to this, but I need to edit something on a page and couldn't find out how to do it on the edit tutorials. I need to add something in parenthesis to the actual page name. For example, the name of this page is Village pump (technical). I need to do something similar to another page. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Songmerch (talk • contribs)
- Find the page you want to rename, at the top of the page, find the move tab and click on it. When prompted, enter in the new name of the article, with the brackets added and move the page. For more information, see WP:MOVE. Tra (Talk) 22:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Special:Export not working properly
Special:Export exports the items properly, but when I uploaded Template:Usernameblock and Template:Sockpuppet into my own copy of MediaWiki, it didn't have the full edit history - can anyone find out why this is?? Thanks, SunStar Net 22:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- {{Usernameblock}} is currently a redirect to {{UsernameBlock}}, where the full history is located. Not sure about the other one, it works for me. Naconkantari 22:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- It didn't work with Template:Sockpuppet, I didn't get the full edit history. 82.42.237.71 22:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- (the above was posted by me, accidentally logged-out!) SunStar Net 23:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- It didn't work with Template:Sockpuppet, I didn't get the full edit history. 82.42.237.71 22:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- What do you use to upload these templates in your wiki? I think the correct solution is to enable Special:Import and use that. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 13:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Is Special:Import enabled by default?? --SunStar Net 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, it's not: the variable
wgImportSources
seems to regulate this, and is an empty array inDefaultSettings.php
. I don't have mediawiki installed so I cannot be sure, but I think you have first to be sure that wikipedia is in the interwiki map you use, and then you have to add its interwiki prefix as an element of the arraywgImportSources
inLocalSettings.php
. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 11:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, it's not: the variable
- Is Special:Import enabled by default?? --SunStar Net 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion for the English wikipedia
Where might I suggest that the english wikipedia's Allpages list color-code articles based on whether they are redirects or not? This would help me out a bit and [3] the dutch wikipedia does it -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.186.233 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC).
- Look in MediaWiki:common.css for a class called "allpagesredirect"; that seems to be where the Dutch wikipedia is overwriting that, and you could set your own to emulate that. Convincing the English Wikipedia to do the same globally is probably best discussed at MediaWiki_talk:common.css. -- nae'blis 22:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Babel | ||
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Search user languages |
Hi. How can I incorporate the "en" babel/userbox into my userbox top/bottom template without the babel header/footer? Thanks Peppery 02:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what you mean, but just {{user en}} by itself will produce
en This user is a native speaker of the English language.
Also {{boxboxtop}}{{user en}}{{boxboxbottom}} will produce the table shown at right, which has the header but no footer.
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—Mets501 (talk) 02:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thats precisely what I was looking for, thanks! Peppery 02:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to change the logo?
Is it possible to change the logo on the monobook skin into Image:Wikipaedia.png? --¿¡Exir Kamalabadi?!Join Esperanza! 13:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you would like to change the logo to something else for your personal viewing, adding
#p-logo a { background-image: url(whatever) !important }
to Special:Myprofile/monobook.css will do what you want. If you mean sitewide, similar methods could be used, or someone with shell access could be asked to set up a specific on-wiki image as the logo. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Change the special page names
For some reason our special page names have allthewordssmashedtogether, apparently whoever wrote that part of the software felt that they were easier to type that way or something. I've introduced a software change which means this no longer needs to be the case -- we can change the default name, and leave a redirect in place for the old name. You can suggest changes to the special page names at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special_page_names . For more information, see my wikitech-l post. -- Tim Starling 13:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
This image will not show up as a thumbnail on its own description page no matter what I do. It will sometimes show up on other pages if the thumbnail size is specified (it "likes" some sizes more than others), but the infobox at Yonkers, New York, which should auto-generate the thumbnail, won't. I've purged the image cache about a dozen times and even uploaded a smaller version of the image, thinking that it was a bit big for the software to handle. Any ideas? Dyfsunctional 14:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Doesn't work for me as well. The image description page contains an image at url
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/Ella_in_Yonkers.jpg/800px-Ella_in_Yonkers.jpg
and the result of loading it separately is:
<h1>File not found</h1> <p>Although this PHP script (/w/thumb.php) exists, the file requested for output (/mnt/upload3/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/Ella_in_Yonkers.jpg/800px-Ella_in_Yonkers.jpg) does not.</p>
Extra space
I sometimes see an extra space between an external link and the next word or punctuation mark in the article's body while editing and previewing. Is it because of viewing in IE (I also noticed it puts an extra space to my user page, while it doesn't exist in Mozilla)? --Brand спойт 17:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Is there an extra space between the two words here: "foo bar." and not here: "foo bar."? Do you see a little image there? --Splarka (rant) 08:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Larger text
All tex on Wikipedia seems to have gotten a lot bigger on my computer. It doesnt happen on any other sites, and it's really annoying. Can someone help me?--Andy mci 18:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I once had the same. Check out your preferences. Try also to click View, find the font size option and change it. --Brand спойт 20:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Login cancels all the time. Why?
I can log in fine, but as soon as I move to another page my login evaporates. I have set my cookies to accept cookies. What is wrong??
It appears to deal with my satellite connection. The secure server appears to work.
Jeff Dean, 10-31-2006
- It's probably a problem with the network somewhere that prevents you logging in. If the secure server works, use that instead since it was designed for these kinds of problems. Tra (Talk) 22:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It's some kind of glitch affecting only the Main Page for me--it says sign in there but I'm logged in at every other page. A Runyon 05:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Do you check "remember me"? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Links to Wikipedia:Sandbox have been redirected
The links to the Wikipedia:Sandbox aren't working properly or have been redirected to another page containing:
"Miyavi composes, arranges, and produces his own music. He has been playing guitar for 11 years. As far as guitarists go, he says he respects Toshiya (Dir en Grey) and Kazuki (Raphael (Japanese Rock group))"
Janus 21:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Are you sure that wasn't just someone using the sandbox to figure out an article on Miyavi? Adam Cuerden talk 22:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
edit function in COTM template
I have created a Collaboration of the Month box for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Nursing see Wikipedia:WikiProject Nursing/cotm & I would like it to have a direct link to the "edit" function of the page of the month as can be see on Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/cotm when I copy the code "If you see ways in which this article can be improved please [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title={{UK geo article}}&action=edit edit it]" & replace {{UK geo article}} with {{nursing article}} is gives a very funny appearance like "assessment&action=edit edit it" Is this because our article of the month is two words & the UK geo usage is only 1 word - or am I doing something wrong? Any ideas about how to fix this would be gratefully appreciated.— Rod talk 22:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I've got this. Adam Cuerden talk 23:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay. It's quite simple: "Nursing assessment" is two words. That means the text is seeing: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nursing assessment&action=edit edit it] Since a link to a website is broken off at the first space, it thinks the link is "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nursing". Don't worry! this shouldn't be too hard to fix. Let me just check the help files. Adam Cuerden talk 23:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- thanks for the help it actually shows as the second word ie "assessment&action=edit edit it" so it's picking up the second word— Rod talk 23:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- User:Ligulem seems to have done it by the use of [{{fullurl:{{nursing article}}|action=edit}} editing]. Thanks — Rod talk 23:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Heh. Figures. Just when I had found the right help page. Still! Glad it's all fixed up =) Adam Cuerden talk 23:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- For future reference, {{fullurl: }} only escapes the spaces in the first parameter (always title=). If the parameter is not the title (what links here, related changes), you can use the {{urlencode:}} magic word.
- Example, say you want to create a link in a template to the block log for blocked usernames -> "{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|user=User:{{{1}}} }}". This won't work with spaces in the name like "Willy on Wheels" (unless they are manually underlined) as you'd get: "//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&user=User:Willy on Wheels", so what you can do is escape it with: "{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|user=User:{{urlencode:{{{1}}}}} }}", giving you "//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&user=User:Willy+on+Wheels"
- Also, the magic words for page name like {{PAGENAME}} {{FULLPAGENAME}} etc all have 'escaped' versions: {{PAGENAMEE}} {{FULLPAGENAMEE}} etc. These are useful to know when constructing external URLs. --Splarka (rant) 08:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Image Positioning (complex)
Hate to be a bother again so soon, but I can't figure out how to position the images on Topsyturveydom where I'd like them. As you can see, there's a long, blue text box (actually a table) on the right containing the poem Gilbert based the play on. The images Gilbert used to illustrate the poem are in the main text, but left aligned. I'd LIKE them to be between the main text and the text box that is, right-aligned with the text box right of them, but just telling them to float right sends them down to under the text box. Any advice? Adam Cuerden talk 23:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Put them in mini-tables. Adding that trick to the help page. Adam Cuerden talk 00:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Rendering of character with ümlaut
Something has happened to the way pages with characters with umlauts are rendered. The Scandinavian characters Å, Ä, and Ö are included in the ISO/IEC 8859-1 or Latin-1 characted set, and should be represented as normal 8 bit characters. The characters are now replaced by unicode values. An example is Väinämöinen_(ship)#V.C3.A4in.C3.A4m.C3.B6inen.27s_operational_history. Note the difference in the ways the name of the ship Väinämöinen is presented. It seems to me that this is a result of a change in the software sometime this or last week.
The change has negative effects:
- Links to anchors get a weird form.
- On IE the characters are rendered in a different font, making them look like bold in subtitles. (Note the ü in the subtitle above; it is not bold though it may look like it.)
When the text is edited, the characters still look normal: åäö... -- Petri Krohn 05:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has been UTF-8 based with links using UTF-8 values for some time so that shouldn't be related to any recent changes. Looking at the source of that page i can't find anything unusual about the characters in that subtitle nor do they render oddly in IE for me. Plugwash 08:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Links to anchors that you manually add can be typed normally. For instance, #Rendering of character with ümlaut works: it's autoconverted to point to "#Rendering_of_character_with_.C3.BCmlaut". It's illegal to put anything other than a subset of ASCII into anchor names at present, and we can't even use normal percent encoding, so we made up something using periods. Wikimedia sites haven't used any encoding other than UTF-8 in text for at least a year now, I believe. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- The subtitle text appears four times in the HTML source text
- Twice in the <a ... > anchor
- name=".C3.BCmlaut"
- id=".C3.BCmlaut"
- Twice in the <h2> header
- <span class="mw-headline">ümlaut</span>
- title="Edit section: ümlaut"
- The subtitle text appears four times in the HTML source text
There is no reason why the <h2> header text should be anything but 8-bit ISO/IEC 8859-1.Using UTF-8 is of course a good reason :-)- Anyway, something has changed since yesterday, the Ü in the subtitle no longer looks bold. Today, the source for the ü is ü". I am not quite sure what it was yesterday, as I may have just looked at the 2 first ones, and missed the <h2> text.
- The issue may have something to do with the rendering of ;Uuml and ;Auml on some browsers. On IE they sometimes use a different font from Ü and Ä, making their appearence bold. It may of course also be a temporary problem in my browser. -- Petri Krohn 06:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. "ümlaut" is naturally what you see when viewing the HTML source text in a 8-bit text editor. I guess it would look like ü on an UTF-8 text editor. -- Petri Krohn 07:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Headline as edit summary
I have enabled the prompt for edit summaries in my preferences. However when I start a new section by clicking on the + at the top of the page, the headline I put at the top, also acts as the edit summary. The problem is, when I forget to put a headline, there is no prompt either for the edit summary or for the headline itself. As a result, the edit ends up as a continuation of another thread plus there is no edit summary. Won't it be easy to turn on a feature that prompts me just like it does for an edit summary. Or is it already there and I have missed it? -- Lost(talk) 10:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- You could try using the code in Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Force edit summary in your monobook.js but swapping the line
if(/§ion=new/.test(window.location.href)) return;
- for
if(!/§ion=new/.test(window.location.href)) return;
- Thanks, but didnt work... Any other suggestion? -- Lost(talk) 08:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I filled a bug: bugzilla:7788 Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 11:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, but didnt work... Any other suggestion? -- Lost(talk) 08:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thumbnails keep disappearing for this image, very weird, help appreciated
Image:SPARCstation_1+.jpg
Image_talk:SPARCstation_1+.jpg (examples of disappearing thumbnails)
The thumbnails successfully show up when first referenced. After an hour or so, not sure exactly how long, they disappear and I get a red X. Not all of them are disappearing though, as shown on the talk page. Any help GREATLY appreciated. Purge does nothing to clear this up.Fourdee 10:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've noticed the same thing happening with several images. Take a look at the gallery on my user page for example, one of the images there does that. The other day I was in the article on halloween and one of the images was like that. I don't know what's causing it, but you aren't the only one experiencing it. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 16:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
LocalSettings.php
What is the url for a Wikipedia's LocalSettings.php page? --Adam (Talk) 23:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
/w/LocalSettings.php
, but it's not accessible to anyone without shell access. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I archive?
My talk page is too long! Zazaban 00:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- See WP:ARCHIVE --Ligulem 00:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Experiencing some problems
I hope someone can give me a clear explanation on some of the problems I have been facing surfing Wikipedia recently. Firstly, allow me to present the technical aspects of my PC. I am using a Pentium II PC (512MB) with a Firefox browser (Version 2.0) to surf and edit this website. In some of the webpages, I am unable to load the pages correctly. For example, the article on Leicester City F.C. shows up a completely blank page after taking quite a long time to load up the page. I have experienced similar problems with some of the article and other namespace pages as well. Thankfully, the problem seems to be relatively rare but it still causes me a considerable amount of frustration as I am unable to do any editing on these pages. I am using a broadband connection speed of 1 500kbps presently. Does anyone know the cause and solution to this problem? Any help here would be greatly appreciated. --Siva1979Talk to me 04:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- When you see that happen, try refreshing the page. It might be a problem with the network. Tra (Talk) 18:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Which OS is it? Which wikipedia skin? Assuming you're using monobook, that article uses some fractionally sized fonts (1.3 em, and 90%) and, curiously, xx-small, whatever that is. Perhaps your machine is unable to do font scaling, or doesn't have. Another possibility is that somehow it is being rendered white on white. After it finishes rendering a blank page, can you select anything? Can you paste it? — EncMstr 21:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- My OS is Windows ME and I am using the default skin, MonoBook. Yes, after it finishes rendering a blank page, I can go back to the previous page or my home page. --Siva1979Talk to me 01:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Which OS is it? Which wikipedia skin? Assuming you're using monobook, that article uses some fractionally sized fonts (1.3 em, and 90%) and, curiously, xx-small, whatever that is. Perhaps your machine is unable to do font scaling, or doesn't have. Another possibility is that somehow it is being rendered white on white. After it finishes rendering a blank page, can you select anything? Can you paste it? — EncMstr 21:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Bigger category should list all subcategories on first page
section copied from Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Bigger category should list all subcategories on first page.
When one goes to a big category (having more than 197 pages e.g. [[Category:Cities and towns in Uttar Pradesh]]) one can see only first 197 individual pages list and to see other pages in this category one have to navigate further but since typically number of subcategories are quite small they should be shown on first view/page itself. Vjdchauhan 11:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. At the moment, to force this, you have to find all the subcategories and pipe sort them to the front by using '*' or ' ' or something similar. In some of the larger catgories, it is quite possible that some subcategories are genuinely lost. Carcharoth 01:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree as well, and since so many of the categories already use the piping "workaround", I wonder if this wouldn't be something that would be a valued change to the software. Who would we ask? - jc37 01:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'd raise it on the technical area of the village pump. I'll do that now. Carcharoth 10:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree as well, and since so many of the categories already use the piping "workaround", I wonder if this wouldn't be something that would be a valued change to the software. Who would we ask? - jc37 01:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
End copied section.
Can anyone here suggest whether this is feasible and what to do next? Carcharoth 10:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Vote for Mediazilla:1211, and/or bug someone who's good with MySQL optimization to submit/commit a patch for it. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
SVG help
What do I need to include in LocalSettings.php to ensure SVGs are rendered to PNG with Inkscape?? I've got ImageMagick as well installed. Thanks, --SunStar Net 11:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Appearance of non-Roman scripts
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Many Wikipedia pages link to the same article in other languages, and I'd like to be able to see what those languages are. I can interpret Deutsch and Polski but not தமிழ் and ܐܪܡܝܐ . Likewise, there are many links to different Wikipedias on [7]. Does a way exist to see what these languages are? Ideally, I'd like to hover and have the name come up in English. Any ideas? BrainyBabe 15:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- If you are just after the Wikipedias then m:List of Wikipedias is what you want. If you just want to see the cool languages though, then something like List of ISO 639-1 codes might be useful. --TheParanoidOne 20:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- They are both cool tools, and thanks for bringing them to my attention, but neither does what I want it to. I'd like it to be evident to every reader, and obviously most won't know to look here. Also, it requires scrolling through lots, and scrutinising unfamiliar scripts, and trying to estimate if the one you are curious about looks like the examples given of Persian or Thai or whatever. Perhaps someone else will pick this up. BrainyBabe 20:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Interlanguage links are designed to be comprehensible to speakers of the target language, not speakers of the current language. While it might be interesting to know whether the page exists in Thai or Devanagari, it's not very useful if you can't actually read the script, and if you actually care you can mouse over the link and look up the code. On the other hand, someone who knows little to know of the current language should be able to determine whether the page is written in their native language as easily as possible. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, that makes sense, to prioritise the native speakers of each language. I was thinking more of curiosity than of strict usefulness, although it is useful to know if a page on (for example) corruption exists in (for example) Arabic or Farsi. How does one "look up the code"? I can see it displayed at the bottom of my screen when I hover my mouse, but what do I do then? BrainyBabe 12:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've made a javascript tool that converts local language names in the sidebar to the English version of those names. To use it, put
{{subst:js|User:Tra/sidebartranslate.js}}
in your monobook.js. Tra (Talk) 00:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC) - I just enter the code into the search box. The disambig page will invariably have a pointer to the appropriate language. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've made a javascript tool that converts local language names in the sidebar to the English version of those names. To use it, put
For all you people getting 'download file' messages with Firefox or IE
It's happening to me on Firefox 2.0 too.
It come up once every 3 or 4 times I go on a web page on Wikipedia however, I have some idea what's going wrong.
For me, a message pops up on Firefox's (FF) new 'Save file' screen, under the name of a MIME plugin, 'application/octet-stream'. MIME plugins are content types which tell your browser what to do with a file, in this case, Wikipedia. Usually with web pages, the class is text/html. With Wikipedia I think also uses text/html. Basically, this appears as .htm or .html file extensions. List of MIME types. This application/octet-stream appearing for users of IE and FF can be caused by the following file types: .*, .bin, .class, .dms, .exe, .lha and .lzh. Now, you may be familiar with .exe files. This could mean that a (possibly malicious) code has been put on the site, trying to launch itself, however I do not think this has happened.
What may have happened it that the general 'class' file has had something changed, or a file has been given a .* extension or something else. It could be the browser, changes in the MediaWiki versions not spotted by test.wikipedia - endless number of things even a virus. The fact it is appearing on multiple people's browsers means it isn't a one off situation. --TheTallOne 21:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- If bugzilla:1109, this should be fixed again as of a few minutes ago. --brion 22:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Inline citations – software?
I recognize the value of providing inline citations, but what a pain in the ass to edit by hand. Any recommendations for software which can automate the process? Even better, Macintosh-based software? Peter G Werner 02:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that at first they seem tedious and unproductive. However, after doing 4-5 articles, it stopped seeming so difficult. Now a minimal citation of <ref> {{cite web | url = URL | title = TITLE }} rolls off finger tips with ease. One thing which helps me to keep track of things is to format the wikitext for readability:
Some long statement of fact needing a citation.<ref name="deis"> {{cite web | url = http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mthood/projects/timberline-express/Appendices/Appendix%20G%20-%20Timberline%20Mountain%20Specifications%20Summary/Appendix%20G%20-%20Timberline%20Mountain%20Specifications%20Summary.pdf | title = Appendix G: Timberline Mountain Specifications Summary of Draft Environmental Impact Statement for The Timberline Express Proposal | format = pdf | pages = 2, 8 | publisher = [[United States Forest Service|USFS]] | date = March 2005 | accessdate = 2006-09-18 }} </ref> Next statement of fact, probably needing citations as well....
- (This example is from Magic Mile, an article I generously cited.) — EncMstr 06:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Moved here from Template talk:Navigation: The hide tab resides snugly to the left of the header text, turning it into "[hide]Nordic Council", whatever that might be (Nordic Council in hiding?). Also, the v·d·e navbar, already problematic as it dislocates the header to off-center, unnecessarily takes up its own line. Can anyone fix this? This template is rolled out all over the place. Thanks, trialsanderrors 06:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if im at the perfectly right place, but i will try :-) The Image Image:F11-tiger.jpg was first uploaded to en.wiki and then moved to commons, unfortuneatly without any source information. Since it was deleted 6 Aug 2006 for an sysop it should be possible to have a look if the local description page contained any information. if not, would you be so kind to ask the uploader. IMO, it looks like selftaken photo. Thanks --schlendrian •λ• 10:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
cvs.sourceforge.net should not be used any longer
SF says:
- As per our document on CVS usage, https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=29894&group_id=1, cvs.sourceforge.net should not be used any longer. (ref: [8])
So links to cvs.sourceforge.net will have to be deleted or changed to new correct links --88.226.231.207 10:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like the majority of the 151 links can remain the same because they are on article talk pages, user talk pages and archived pages of various types, where it is not that important that the links won't work. I am kind of puzzled why many of the links were made in the first place. Does Wikipedia have some kind of connection with SourceForge? Also, has it become common knowledge amongst open source software writers that a good way to promote your software is to create a Wikipedia article on it, do we just have an incredible amount of open source software enthusiasts at Wikipedia or is there another explanation for the enormous number of SourceForge software articles? -- Kjkolb 11:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- A huge number of highly notable projects are on SourceForge, and are thus represented also on Wikipedia. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 14:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
How do you remove the "+" tab at the top of a talk page?
I have a makeshift footer at the bottom of my talk page. But people keep clicking on the "plus" tab at the top of the page which creates a new subheading below my footer! How can I fix this problem? The Transhumanist 10:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- according to Help:Magic words, this is impossible --schlendrian •λ• 10:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Rather than remove the "+", there's a way using CSS to create a footer that is not physically at the bottom (which I first saw on a version of user:Interiot's talk page). I've done this with your footer. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
please check the article Royall Tyler (academic)
Hello, I'm posting here because this article has content about someone called "Richard Davis", yet nothing like that is visible in the edit history or in the edit window. Could this be a database error, or maybe a hack? --Kyoko 13:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I checked the history and I don't see references to Richard Davis. The only explanation is some kind of cache error. If that is what happened, it has cleared up. RJFJR 16:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I went through the history myself, and saw no sign of the mysterious edits, yet it was in the version that I saw earlier. I refreshed my own cache, so it must have been on the server side, or at least, not on my end. In any case, it's gone now. Thanks for looking into it. --Kyoko 17:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- The information was added in this edit to template:academic-bio-stub. It wasn't completely reverted until 3 hours and 32 minutes later with this edit . Graham87 05:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- I went through the history myself, and saw no sign of the mysterious edits, yet it was in the version that I saw earlier. I refreshed my own cache, so it must have been on the server side, or at least, not on my end. In any case, it's gone now. Thanks for looking into it. --Kyoko 17:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Underlined links
There's probably some CSS hack for this? When I'm logged in, all links are underlined; when I'm logged out, they're simply blue. I'd prefer the latter behavior even when I'm logged in. >Radiant< 15:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- There's an option on the preferences. --cesarb 21:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
nepali pages needs more care
To Whom It May Concern
the pages in Nepali Language that wikipedia covers are erroneous and completely incomprehensible. The grammatical errors are so numerous that I cannot find a single word spelled correctly. Sentence syntax, punctuation and cohesiveness are all missing. Is it the fault of fonts, softwares or writers. Can't we(including me) do something for getting it right.
Binod Keshari Poudel Imadole-5, lalitpur Nepal
- Could you list some pages? There is a procedure to tag an article as needing work but we need to first realize which page needs work. Thank you. RJFJR 16:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think he's talking about pages in the Nepali language. There aren't exactly a lot of people who speak Nepali here on the English wiki. Suggest recruiting those who speak it and are interested in wikis to fix the Nepali wiki pages. Rlevse
- Users who speak Nepali can be found at Category:User ne. Starting your search there might help. EVula 19:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Rm '/wiki'
I know this would represent a huge change, a whole lot of confusion, and millions of broken links all over the internet but I'll throw it out there anyway. Isn't there a way to change all URL's from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_name
to
http://en.wikipedia.org/Page_name
And wouldn't this make more sense and be more user friendly? Just a suggestion. --Anthony5429 16:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think there is any directory data at the level which would conflict if the /wiki/ were not there. Also, if you remove the /wiki/ it doesn't work in Firefox 2.0 or IE 6. What web browser are you using, Tra? Thirdly, I am pretty sure I have seen the method for doing this explained in mediawiki documentation. Again, no big deal at all because as I mentioned more bad would almost definately come out of such a move than good. --Anthony5429 19:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm using Internet Explorer 7. What I mean is that, under the current configuration, if someone mistakenly goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/Page_name, they will see a page telling them it's the wrong place and that redirects them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_name in four seconds. As for conflicting with non-wiki pages, index.php is one that would conflict, since removing the /wiki/ would mean that whatever's at w/index.php would not be accesible properly. Also, extensions such as query.php would have the same problem. There may be more problems if extra functionality is implemented in the future. It is possible to change the setting somewhere in the configuration, because I'm sure there's a wiki somewhere that uses it, but as for Wikipedia, this would probably just create a load of problems and break a lot of bots etc. Tra (Talk) 20:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm pretty you wouldn't have to worry about index.php, etc., since those are in the
w/
subdirectory (I think). You would run into issues if we had an article named w/index.php, of course, but that strikes me as unlikely, and anyway I suppose we could just rewrite absolutely everything instead of just most things like now (e.g.,Foo?action=edit
rather thanw/index.php?title=Foo&action=edit
). —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm pretty you wouldn't have to worry about index.php, etc., since those are in the
- I'm using Internet Explorer 7. What I mean is that, under the current configuration, if someone mistakenly goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/Page_name, they will see a page telling them it's the wrong place and that redirects them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_name in four seconds. As for conflicting with non-wiki pages, index.php is one that would conflict, since removing the /wiki/ would mean that whatever's at w/index.php would not be accesible properly. Also, extensions such as query.php would have the same problem. There may be more problems if extra functionality is implemented in the future. It is possible to change the setting somewhere in the configuration, because I'm sure there's a wiki somewhere that uses it, but as for Wikipedia, this would probably just create a load of problems and break a lot of bots etc. Tra (Talk) 20:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- This has been discussed before (on the mailing list IIRC); there are some article titles which conflict with "magic" files which must be located at the root, like for instance robots.txt (/robots.txt) and favicon.ico (/favicon.ico). There's no way to predict all possible future special filenames; having the articles on their own separate namespace avoids the problem. To help people who mistakenly forget the
/wiki/
, there's a 404 handler which creates an automatic redirection page to the correct URL (it cannot be a simple HTTP redirect for technical reasons). --cesarb 21:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Here is an example of a MediaWiki wiki with a null article path and null script path -> Wikiality. It was imported to Wikia recently, and at the request of the founders the article access was left root for the domain. Note that both robots.txt and favicon are (experimentally) unreachable. See also m:Using_a_very_short_URL. --Splarka (rant) 08:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- The thing that can't be a simple HTTP redirect for technical reasons is page redirects, not redirects for URL's without the
wiki/
. I'm pretty sure that the latter are deliberately not simple HTTP redirects so that people won't link to or rely on them. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Template optimisation
I've created a template to convert between various units of length. So far it can convert between 9 different units (and I plan to add more) in any combination, then I added some "aliases" to make the template more robust, that is it doesn't care if you type in "metre" or "meters" or just "m" and so on, however to do this I basicaly have to duplicate the code a bunch of times in a switch statement, since all these combinations can be combined in any way the code is getting rater large with lots of redundancy, and the more units (and aliases) that gets added it becomes more and more cumbersome to edit. Anyone know of some neat tricks to help optimise things like this? The only thing I can think of is to call various redirecting meta templates, but I understand that's a bit of a no-no... Template is {{length conversion}} by the way, use for example like so: {{length conversion|from=meters|to=furlongs|value=300}} wich outputs: Template:Length conversion. It works ok, just getting a bit stressfull to update, any help would be welcome. --Sherool (talk) 19:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also is there a performance issue with loading a 120+K template for something like this? --Sherool (talk) 19:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Sherool! Great template! I've made some changes, mostly spelling and allowing for unnamed parameters, but it looks great! I'll check it out now to see if I can limit the file size. Well done! —Mets501 (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, there is a performance issue; that's why there's a limit on the total size of the transcluded templates before the parser stops transcluding any new templates. Huge templates like that will hit the limit sooner. --cesarb 20:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- (In reply to Sherool) Especially read [9]. I've left a note on Template talk:Length conversion. Please consider avoiding such monster templates. --Ligulem 23:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I trimmed it down further (about 20Kb) and it still seems to work as well as ever. Is there any recomended maximum size on templates? As I understand it the 1Mb thing is a hard limit on the sum of all transclutions per article. --Sherool (talk) 01:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Correct, which means that you can include this about 50 times tops per page, and that's assuming no other transclusions. I think you'll find that's rather limiting. Templates were never intended to be a programming language, and still aren't. A new ParserFunction would be much better for this. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Templates were never intended to be a programming language, but #expr was intended for unit conversion. You just need to make one small template for each conversion, instead of merging them all together with a huge #switch. Yes that requires N^2 templates, but who wants to know how many chains are in a furlong anyway? Just create templates for the common conversions. -- Tim Starling 03:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Correct, which means that you can include this about 50 times tops per page, and that's assuming no other transclusions. I think you'll find that's rather limiting. Templates were never intended to be a programming language, and still aren't. A new ParserFunction would be much better for this. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I trimmed it down further (about 20Kb) and it still seems to work as well as ever. Is there any recomended maximum size on templates? As I understand it the 1Mb thing is a hard limit on the sum of all transclutions per article. --Sherool (talk) 01:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- (In reply to Sherool) Especially read [9]. I've left a note on Template talk:Length conversion. Please consider avoiding such monster templates. --Ligulem 23:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia Project Assessments/Bots
I was recently in correspondence with the Version 1.0 team in their CORE subjects threads discussing the need for an adjustment to be made for a current Bot organizing/updating WikiProject Assessments (Quality/Importance). I was directed to identify the BOT discussion bard. Is there a general BOT page that I can be directed to so I can continue this thread in the appropriate location? Internazionale 21:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index is where most discussion about Mathbot's assessment work wakes place. --Salix alba (talk) 01:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Sucrose Solubility in Propylene Glycol
Where can I find Sucrose solubility data in Propylene Glycol (10-100C)?
- Try asking at the Reference desk. Tra (Talk) 18:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Any way to ignore salted pages?
I was bored, and as often happens, playing around with Special:Random. However, it brought me to Dawn of the Dude, which isn't really an article. I don't suppose there's any way to force it to ignore pages like this, is there? From what I understand, it pulls from anything in the main article space, so it may be impossible.
And, of course, this may not even be that big of an issue. Of all the times I've used the random page, this is the first time I've run across a deleted article. EVula 23:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I was going to say that there is no way to avoid it, but then I got to thinking. Redirects are not picked by Special:Random right? So if we made all salted pages into redirects they would not show up on randompages, they would also not be counted as articles to be included in {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} and such either I believe. If we changed {{deletedpage}} redirect tagged pages to themselves the article is marked as a redirect in the database, but you don't actualy get redirected anywhere (obviously), only downside is the big "redirect" arrow on the top of the article... --Sherool (talk) 01:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Any such attempt would be forced to rely on unintended behavior which could change at any time. And, as you say, it's ugly. Better, on the dev side, to just allow protection of deleted pages. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Some admins prune SALTed pages with some regularity to keep the number down. >Radiant< 23:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- One way which it could be acheived without hard-codeing particular categories into the software is having a list of categories to avoid somewhere in the MediaWiki namespace. Special:Randompage could then check articles against this list to exclude them. --Salix alba (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Any such attempt would be forced to rely on unintended behavior which could change at any time. And, as you say, it's ugly. Better, on the dev side, to just allow protection of deleted pages. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Where does article go on a #REDIRECT?
I wrote an article called Parchman Farm which apparently got redirected to Parchman Penitentiary and (I guess) to Mississippi State Penitentiary. The Parchman Farm article (now disappeared0 had to do with an important court case Gates v. Collier that I wrote in conjunction with it. It had information that has nothing to do with Mississippi State Penitentiary. Is there any way I can get the information from Parchman Farm back? Isn't everything supposed to be kept somewhere? I just don't know how to find it. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 01:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- When you get redirected to another article, there is a small link to the original article under the topic name. Click that, which will take you to the original page. From there, you can see the history. EVula 01:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- You mean here?[10]? But I still can't figure out how to get any information on the Parchman Farm article. Mattisse(talk) 04:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, well that is what I was talking about. When did you write it? It seems like it was deleted (and then the redirect was created), but it doesn't look like there was an AfD; you'd need an admin to check to see if there's a deleted version sitting around in the history somewhere. EVula 05:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- There doesn't appear to be any article history for Parchman Farm before it was a redirect, there are no deletes or moves for the article that I can see, nor can I find any previously deleted revisions to view, however browsing your editing history I note that you've edited Parchman (which you created here, and there are links there to legal cases. Is there any chance you were thinking of the wrong article? Hopefully that's of some help to you. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Incomplete reversions
Take a look at these edit histories:
- Sengkang's reverts [11][12] at argon (page history)
- JoeSmack's revert [13] at mercury (element) (page history)
According to the edit summaries, those reverts were to the correct versions. But checking the diffs between those revisions, there got another vandal edit inbetween. The article content that was ultimately saved is not the content that was (presumably) supposed to get saved by the revert edit.
Technically, if I save an old version (assuming I don't do a section edit) while another edit was done (section edit or not), this should either completely overwrite those previous edits, or raise an edit conflict, not integrate that edit into mine, right? The users above use different editing tools so it's likely not a bug in only one of those tools. Any ideas how to prevent this? That's two cases of missing sections I've come across in two days now. Femto 14:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- What I think it might be is that, taking taking the JoeSmack example, the last vandal edit (changing the Hatting section) was actually made after the revert (which is why JoeSmack's edit summery says he reverted 2 edits). Because the two edits were made so close together, MediaWiki for some reason made an error with the timing and put them in the wrong order. I've seen this happen with bots such as User:AntiVandalBot as well, which also reverts pages very quickly after the vandal edit. Tra (Talk) 18:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- For reference, the exact timestamps (with seconds included) can be found here and here. I don't think the revisions are just in the wrong order: every revision is attached the editor name, so this would imply that JoeSmack has saved a page with vandalism on it. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 21:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
New Template?
What do you think of Template:Clarifyme which expands to [clarification needed] ? I made it because I kept finding thinmgs that weren't factual errors, weren't prevalent enough to throw something over the whole article, but which were so unclear that I couldn't fix them Adam Cuerden talk 20:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Need help with code
Does anyone have a clue what to write in your personal .js or .css code to make it display the text, similar to the one in the top of the contributions page, when clicking on a user name, e.g. in some discussion? I mean, I would like to see this text: (Talk|Contribs|Block|Block log|Logs). MoRsE 21:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- To show other people these links, you could use {{vandal}} which, when you put {{vandal|Tra}} gives Tra (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).
- To see these links when someone else links to a user page, you could use popups where you will be able to hover over the link to the user page to get a list of accociated links. Tra (Talk) 21:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanx! The popup code works really neatly! MoRsE 00:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Are all images on USA government web sites in public domain?
Are all images on any USA government Internet web site in the public domain? For example, on USA Environmental Protection Agency sites, or Department of Energy sites? If they are, what license should I select when uploading them into Wikipedia? Thanks for your help. - mbeychok 00:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Most are, but some are not. Some are licensed works that the government site uses. You need to check out the licensing listed on the page or on the home page of the site. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- DOE labs are often run by contractors rather than regular federal employees. As a result almost none of the content from some DOE lab sites is in the public domain. See Template_talk:PD-USGov-DOE for more on that issue. Dragons flight 02:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Messed up <ref> citations in Hiralal Sen - help needed
Help. I was editing Hiralal Sen, noticed that most of the inline ref code was duplicated lots of times [14], and then removed most of it [15]. Now reference number 2's text is missing and I can't figure out what went wrong. I reinserted the accidentally removed template, emptied my cache but to no avail. Can anyone double check I did things correctly? Kavadi carrier 11:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Fixed a botch. References must be defined on first occurrence. Current implementation of the m:cite.php extension requires this. --Ligulem 12:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Saving index.php problem?
What is the problem if a user gets messages like these:
You have choosen to open
index.php
which is a: php-file
from: http://sv.wikipedia.org
Would you like to save this file?
or:
You have choosen to open
Special:Recentchanges
which is a: application/octet-stream
from: http://sv.wikipedia.org
Would you like to save this file?
when trying to read Wikipedia in Firefox? Not every time but about one time out of ten. Is it a problem with Firefox or is it an error in Wikipedia? /81.229.40.212 11:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- You need to disable "Use external editor" in your preferences. -- Lost(talk) 11:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've been seeing the same sporadic problem in IE, and have been assuming it is some sort of problem at Wikipedia's end. (PS. In reply to Lost, I do not use an external editor.) Dragons flight 11:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- If bugzilla:1109, this should be fixed again as of a few minutes ago. --brion 22:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Problem with Wikipedia:Special:BrokenRedirects
- moved here from User talk:Jimbo Wales - the wub "?!" 12:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I am contacting you since this seems to be an issue with the site iself. When bad redirects on te list are removed, thy are no longr crossed out. Instead, besde the page, a new link appears that says Category:User cello. This just startd happening last night November 3. ihope that you will be able to fix this for us. Thanks, --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 16:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's fixed now, obviously just a very strange temporary problem. the wub "?!" 18:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Baroque Architecture
the Baroque architecture page says "poop head" but I cant figure out how to delete it.
- It's been deleted now. For instructions on how to remove vandalism in the future, see Help:Reverting. —Mets501 (talk) 15:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Laaaag!
Ok, for the last week or so, Wikipedia has been lagging like crazy for me. Is anyone else getting it? All other websites are perfectly fine, no lag whatsoever. But on here, I have to make several attempts to make a page start to load, more often than not it just sits there for five minutes before timing out. I'm using monobook, just the godmode light rollback tool (nothing else), I have WinXP, P4 3GHz, 1Gb RAM and 2Mbit ADSL over a net connection sharing WLAN. I am getting entries in my system event log from 'Browser', 'NetBT' and 'MrxSmb' which seem relevant:
- Browser
- The browser was unable to promote itself to master browser. The computer that currently believes it is the master browser is [NAME].
- NetBT
- The name "MSHOME :1d" could not be registered on the Interface with IP address 192.168.1.65. The machine with the IP address 192.168.1.66 did not allow the name to be claimed by this machine.
- MrxSmb
- The master browser has received a server announcement from the computer [NAME] that believes that it is the master browser for the domain on transport NetBT_Tcpip_{E0BD5EB2-992D-43D9-A3. The master browser is stopping or an election is being forced.
([NAME] refers to one other computer on the network, which has the IP 192.168.1.66. My machine is 192.168.1.65.) These errors have been occuring to no apparent ill effect for longer than a week, but they haven't caused any perceptible problem and MSHelp just says not to worry about it. Then again, no other websites I happen to try do this. I've tested the computer on the network i'm calling [NAME] for lag - no problems with it, so it's just restricted to my PC. I've also pinged rr.knams.wikimedia.org; average time was 35ms - the other machine took an average 33ms. Sorry if everyone already knows about this, or if should be posting at WP:RD/COMP, but it's getting really annoying now. Thanks, CaptainVindaloo t c e 17:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Those event log messages are related to Windows local-area networking and the "Network Places" network browser, not your web browser. Zetawoof(ζ) 21:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Image question
Image:WIMap-doton-Chippewa_Falls.png won't seem to display 200px or 250px, but will display 150px. Seems like I've seen this before, but I don't remember the fix. Is this a server issue, or an image issue. I've tried two different browsers and I get the same thing. --Dual Freq 21:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to be displaying correctly to me. If you get these sorts of problems, try purging the image (e.g. for this image, you would visit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:WIMap-doton-Chippewa_Falls.png&action=purge) and clearing your cache. Tra (Talk) 22:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I tried the purge and cache thing earlier and multiple times. It now appears to be working, maybe the purge took time to work. I tried it maybe 15 min before I posted this. Sorry for the bother. --Dual Freq 22:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
extra buttons in the edit toolbar
As requested at MediaWiki talk:Monobook.js I have (re)added several extra buttons to the Edit toolbar. Could several people verify that:
- pressing the "make table" button/using the "make table" feature does not crash Internet Explorer. (This was previously reported, but supposedly fixed.)
- while loading the images of the edit bar (which now takes slightly longer on slow Internet connections) you can already start editing on every browser/system configuration.
- it does not cause any JavaScript warnings/errors, delays or other problems.
Regards, —Ruud 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Pressing "make table" does crash IE6 for me, but doesn't crash FireFox; Windows XP, Broadband connection. You can start editing while the toolbar loads, and I don't get any js errors. —Mets501 (talk) 00:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- It only crashes after I clear my cache. Once I attempt to open it and it crashes, if I attempt to open it again it works. If I then clear my cache it crashes again. —Mets501 (talk) 00:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, crashing IE6 is a pretty serious bug (arguably a bug in IE, but I don't think a new editor with a fresh cache will care whose fault it is.) I've removed the table generator and replaced it with a button. —Ruud 00:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, the 'Insert block of quoted text' button appears twice, for some reason. Tra (Talk) 01:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- My fault... it's gone now. —Ruud 01:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Web 3.0 Glitch?
I clicked on the Special:Random button for fun and it took me to Web 3.0, a protected deleted page. Are protected deleted pages accessible when clicking Special:Random, or is this a glitch? -WarthogDemon 05:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- See #Any way to ignore salted pages? a few threads up ;) --Quiddity 05:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Possibly a bug
OK, I've found a username which breaks the {{unsigned}} template. The name is E. Sn0 =31337=. Let me show you:
{{unsigned|E. Sn0 =31337=}} yields: — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
{{unsigned|Patstuart}} yields: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patstuart (talk • contribs) .
{{unsigned|E. Sn0 =31337=|06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)}} yields: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC) (talk • contribs)
{{unsigned|Patstuart|06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)}} yields: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patstuart (talk • contribs) 06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC).
Hmm, looks like a problem with the unsigned template, right? Well, that's the catch: I think it has more to do with Wiki's {{{1}}} argument; it's unable to recognize his username. This sounds like a bug; do you guys know if anyone else has reported it to Mediawiki, and do you think it's worth a report? -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 06:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's no bug. It's because the username has the equals sign in it which is what MediaWiki takes to be a parameter to the template. You can force it to display as expected using {{unsigned|1=E. Sn0 =31337=}} which shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by E. Sn0 =31337= (talk • contribs)
- And please don't start all the <nowiki> lines with a space, they make the lines look horrible. Kavadi carrier 06:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, yeah, I originally put the lines in because I wanted it to be monospace, but you're right, it's ugly. I'm not sure that feature doesn't need to be changed. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 19:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- To put lines in monospace, you can also use <code> tags, e.g. <code>This is a test</code> gives
This is a test
Tra (Talk) 19:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Watch Special Pages
Is there a way to add Special:xxx/yyyy to my watchlist? I ask because I've been going through disambiguation pages and changing all internal links so that they point to the right place, but of course, people continue adding ambigous links that I then have to change back. If I could add, eg Special:whatlinkshere/The_end to my watchlist, then I'd be notified every time a link needed disambig-ing. Which would be useful. --User24 14:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- I believe the answer is no since special: pages are generated and have no timestamp that could be put in the database record corresponding to your watchlist. If I'm understanding what you want to do, the best solution I can think of would be to write a script you could run from your PC to access Special:whatlinkshere for a list of article names and manipulate the output to find what you're looking for. I have written a number of scripts that do various things more or less like this and would be willing to help if you'd like (although not for the next two weeks or so). -- Rick Block (talk) 14:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah that'd be awesome; let me know when you have some time free, thanks. --User24 15:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
"Bad Article" template
I know this sounds silly, but I get very annoyed when I see an article that has more than 2 templates at the top, eg here (and I'm sure there are worse offenders), especially when some of the templates are redundant (of course the factual accuracy is disputed if there are no citations; why do we need both templates on one page?).
So I'd like to suggest a "bad article" template. The main article can then have this one template, and all other relevant templates can go on the talk page. The template would read something like:
(I'm not really suggesting it be called Template:Badarticle, maybe Template:Workneeded or Template:Problems )
To reiterate, I'm not suggesting that we get rid of X, Y or Z template, rather that I think there's a point where multiple templates should be moved to the talk page, and this template placed on the article instead.
Comments please. --User24 14:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- If you create a template like that, it would simply be added on top of the relevant templates, making the list even longer. See also {{toomanyboxes}} (deleted on TfD) and Wikipedia:Huge message boxes. --cesarb 15:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- well, hopefully people adding this template will move the existing templates to the talk page, but I can see that becoming a potential issue..
- If so, perhaps there could be a bot that scanned pages that have this template, and moved other templates to the talk page. --User24 16:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Bot idea
I've come up with an idea for a useful bot, and I think I have the Perl chops to implement it, but could use some help - particularly an example of a successful Perl bot that I can use as a template. The idea is to fix basic English word errors, starting with replacing "predominately" with "predominantly" (do a search for the incorrect "predominately" and you'll see how widespread the problem is). As I said, I'm willing to do the heavy lifting, but could use some help to get me started. Thanks! | Mr. Darcy talk 17:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- User:Pearle. However, spelling-fix bots aren't a good idea when automatically run. --ais523 17:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. What's the issue with spelling-fix bots? I'd characterize this a little differently - I'm not trying to spell-check everything, but would want to convert a specific mis-spelling to the correct one. "Predominately" isn't a word, but eliminating it by hand would be a major task. Anyway, if this is something that isn't done on Wikipedia, I'm not going to push it. | Mr. Darcy talk 17:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- While most of the corrections would be correct, still some would be wrong and made then hard to correct. See Wikipedia:Bots#Spell-checking bots for details. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 17:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also Wikipedia talk:Bots#Spellchecking has some discussion on the issue. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 17:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll take the discussion over to that page. I see exactly one objection - that such a bot would correct errors in quotations - and as I stated over there, this shouldn't be an issue because errors in quotations should be followed by [sic]. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- A) [sic] is infrequently used, so you couldn't rely on it. B) It's not the only time when the "misspelled" form of a word might be the intended one. For example we have misspelling, list of common misspellings in English and other pages which include intentional examples of misspelled words. Even if 99% of the corrections are appropriate, the 1% that aren't would be so hard to identify after the fact, that the community does not allowed automatic spell checking bots. Dragons flight 18:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Objection A is a problem with Wikipedia, not with the hypothetical bot. The use of [sic] should be obligatory, otherwise editors will manually "fix" those errors over time. Objection B is easily surmounted with an excluded-page listing. As I said, if it's not allowed, I'll respect that, but I do not find these counterarguments convincing. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Most contributors will not "fix" quotations. Further, there is in fact no consensus on the usage of [sic] at all, since some contributors feel it calls unneccesary attention to misspellings in a way that is disparaging to the original and prefer to just ignore errors appearing in quoted material (as most magazines do, for example). Unless you can find a way to systematically address the quotation issue first, there is no hope for such a bot. Dragons flight 19:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- We'll have to agree to disagree on sic. An automatic spellcheck bot could also identify quotations by the use of " or other quotation marks (like the << marks found in some Spanish-speaking countries), or by avoiding errors in italicized text. Anyway, what would a "manually-assisted" bot entail? | Mr. Darcy talk 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Manually assisted means a human reviews every edit before it is made. Other than that, how much or how little automated assistance is involved is up to the bot operator. Dragons flight 19:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- We'll have to agree to disagree on sic. An automatic spellcheck bot could also identify quotations by the use of " or other quotation marks (like the << marks found in some Spanish-speaking countries), or by avoiding errors in italicized text. Anyway, what would a "manually-assisted" bot entail? | Mr. Darcy talk 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Most contributors will not "fix" quotations. Further, there is in fact no consensus on the usage of [sic] at all, since some contributors feel it calls unneccesary attention to misspellings in a way that is disparaging to the original and prefer to just ignore errors appearing in quoted material (as most magazines do, for example). Unless you can find a way to systematically address the quotation issue first, there is no hope for such a bot. Dragons flight 19:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Objection A is a problem with Wikipedia, not with the hypothetical bot. The use of [sic] should be obligatory, otherwise editors will manually "fix" those errors over time. Objection B is easily surmounted with an excluded-page listing. As I said, if it's not allowed, I'll respect that, but I do not find these counterarguments convincing. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- A) [sic] is infrequently used, so you couldn't rely on it. B) It's not the only time when the "misspelled" form of a word might be the intended one. For example we have misspelling, list of common misspellings in English and other pages which include intentional examples of misspelled words. Even if 99% of the corrections are appropriate, the 1% that aren't would be so hard to identify after the fact, that the community does not allowed automatic spell checking bots. Dragons flight 18:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll take the discussion over to that page. I see exactly one objection - that such a bot would correct errors in quotations - and as I stated over there, this shouldn't be an issue because errors in quotations should be followed by [sic]. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. What's the issue with spelling-fix bots? I'd characterize this a little differently - I'm not trying to spell-check everything, but would want to convert a specific mis-spelling to the correct one. "Predominately" isn't a word, but eliminating it by hand would be a major task. Anyway, if this is something that isn't done on Wikipedia, I'm not going to push it. | Mr. Darcy talk 17:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Faulty watch-list
I'm currently watching the following page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vikram Rai. The AfD was closed down earlier today, yet the change does not appear in my watch list (though it appears correctly when I display/edit the complete list). I've tried unwatch and watch, but it still doesn't work. I don't need to watch it any more, but I'd like to know if the problem is with me or Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, all my other watched items appear correctly. — Tivedshambo (talk) 18:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is a known issue with page protection/unprotection changes. --brion 19:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
You have new message?
Since when was the alert for messages ungrammatical? Adam Cuerden talk 19:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's been fixed; I think an admin was playing with it, and it got changed back. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 01:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Specify namespace for "What links here" pages?
I work on disambiguating links to dab pages. I don't generally bother with links to dab pages from anything other than mainspace. It would be very convenient if there were a way to specify what namespace I want links from when looking at "What links here" for the dab pages I work on. Is there any way to do this that I don't know about, and if not, is it something that could be implemented? :-) --Tkynerd 01:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Possibly something at WP:TOOLS. I seem to remember AWB being able to do something like this, but maybe not. At the very least, I think the links are arranged by namespace when the index has been updated. Unfortunately that doesn't happen very often (on the order of weeks). Carcharoth 01:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- There is also this which will give you the pages linking to Guernsey that are in the article namespace. As you would see if you click on the link, it's in more of a machine readable format so for it to be useful, a script would need to be written to make it presentable. Tra (Talk) 01:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is bug 4624.--Commander Keane 01:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- There is also this which will give you the pages linking to Guernsey that are in the article namespace. As you would see if you click on the link, it's in more of a machine readable format so for it to be useful, a script would need to be written to make it presentable. Tra (Talk) 01:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- I use firefox's text-search highlighting. (ctrl-F, search for word, highlight all) Makes skimming down a long list really easy. --Quiddity 02:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- How does that help you ignore several different strings (Talk:, User:, User talk:, Wikipedia talk:...)? --Tkynerd 02:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Vertical alignment in a div header
Is there any way to make a div tag use vertical text alignment with a NavHeader as seen here? I've tried "valign:center", "v-align:center", and "vertical-align:center", as well as many other things but nothing seems to be working. I'm just looking to have the top bar, that is visible when the window is not expanded, not be v-align:top. Thanks. --MZMcBride 01:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)