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#'''Oppose''' Inexperienced, unless and until adminship becomes "no big deal" as [[User:Jimbo Wales|whatshisname]] claimed he wanted it to be, this is not a good idea. Also, {{diff|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Neville|688051254|688051035|refactoring}} other people's comments is not humble, responsible or diligent. It's rude. [[User:Pablo X|<tt>pablo</tt>]] 08:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Inexperienced, unless and until adminship becomes "no big deal" as [[User:Jimbo Wales|whatshisname]] claimed he wanted it to be, this is not a good idea. Also, {{diff|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Neville|688051254|688051035|refactoring}} other people's comments is not humble, responsible or diligent. It's rude. [[User:Pablo X|<tt>pablo</tt>]] 08:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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#:::{{u|Pablo X}}, I'm deeply sorry if you find it offensive, I never did that in bad faith. I don't see any offence in restructuring, as long as the wording remain unchanged. [[User:Wikicology|''Wi''ki''c¤''l¤''gy'']]<sup>[[User talk:Wikicology|t@lk to M£]]</sup> 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
#:::{{u|Pablo X}}, I'm deeply sorry if you find it offensive, I never did that in bad faith. I don't see any offence in restructuring, as long as the wording remain unchanged. [[User:Wikicology|''Wi''ki''c¤''l¤''gy'']]<sup>[[User talk:Wikicology|t@lk to M£]]</sup> 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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#::::It is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy, and something you should know as an admin candidate: [[WP:TPO]]. -- [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 10:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
#::::It is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy, and something you should know as an admin candidate: [[WP:TPO]]. -- [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 10:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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#:::::Of course I'm very much familiar with [[WP:TPO]] and I have no idea of why you pointed me to that behavioral guideline. Do you check the edits in question at all? That is not a violation of Wikipedia policy as my edits didn't alter the meaning of the user's comments. You must have misinterpreted [[WP:TPO]]. Also note that [[WP:TALKPAGE]] is not the same as [[WP:AfD]]. [[User:Wikicology|''Wi''ki''c¤''l¤''gy'']]<sup>[[User talk:Wikicology|t@lk to M£]]</sup> 10:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Insufficient experience. Also echoing concerns expressed by MusikAnimal, especially regarding the clerking at WP:PERM. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 09:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Insufficient experience. Also echoing concerns expressed by MusikAnimal, especially regarding the clerking at WP:PERM. [[User:Widr|Widr]] ([[User talk:Widr|talk]]) 09:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Simply not been here long enough to get sufficient experience to do the job properly. Try again in a year. '''[[User:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#DC143C">Rcsprinter<sub>123</sub></span>]] ''' [[User talk:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:century gothic; font-size:9.5pt; color:#488AC7">(remark)</span>]] 10:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Simply not been here long enough to get sufficient experience to do the job properly. Try again in a year. '''[[User:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#DC143C">Rcsprinter<sub>123</sub></span>]] ''' [[User talk:Rcsprinter123|<span style="font-family:century gothic; font-size:9.5pt; color:#488AC7">(remark)</span>]] 10:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC) |
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Wikicology
(talk page) (10/9/0); Scheduled to end 00:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Nomination
Wikicology (talk · contribs) – Wikicology is a lecturer at Adekunle Ajasin University in Nigeria. He focuses primarily on Nigeria-related topics, but also contributes to numerous topics, such as Medicine, Biochemistry, Molecular biology, Governments Politics, History, Culture, Business and other encyclopedic subjects" according to his user page — a claim I have checked, and find to be true. He is also a prolific reviewer of new articles on Wikipedia, and a |Candidates for speedy deletion patroller. He has succeeded in rescuing many such articles — which, to me, indicates that he has a knack for making picks that the community agrees with.
This user approached me with a nomination request. Having had a good look at his contributions over the past few hours, I am delighted to nominate him — and would have done so on my own initiative had I known of his work earlier. David Cannon (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- Thanks for your nomination David, I humbly accept with all sense of responsibility to serve diligently. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 13:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A:I'd like to primarily focus my administrative work on closing discussions at WP:AFD, deletion of candidates for speedy deletion which has a frequent backlog, based on my experience with them. I am experienced in the areas of deletion and deletion processes on Wikipedia, and a significant part of my contributions to Wikipedia focus in this area, patrolling the candidates for speedy deletion to ensured that they are appropriately tagged for deletion and I've rescued a good number of them and re-creation of wrongly deleted articles.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: My best contributions to Wikipedia include content creation which are denoted here. Examples of articles I have created that are fairly developed include 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. The first six featured on WP:DYK and I intend to improve them to GA or FA. One of the reasons why I give more attentions to Nigeria-related articles is that only few people are contributing from Nigeria, resulting in poor representation of Nigeria-related articles on Wikipedia. I also focus my work on patrolling Candidates for Speedy Deletion to ease admin stress and to rescue inappropriate candidate for speedy deletion. I also contribute to a wide range of discussions related to Africa, Academics, Films, Medicine, History and so on at AfD to help reach a consensus that determine the fate of some articles. I sometimes get pinged to comments on some discussion by other experienced editors in certain cases.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have had disagreements at times regarding editing and contents, which is invariably inevitable for prolific content creators and active editors. I'm always calm when this occur and resolve it amicably with the concern editors at talk pages. I don't go out of control because I believe good faith is all that is required to contribute usefully to the encyclopedia. I approach disagreements by first considering the concerned editor's viewpoints, respect their points of views and engaging in discussion, with the hopes of attaining resolution.
- Additional question from Athomeinkobe
- 4. Upon seeing this RFA I remembered your name from this ANI thread. In the discussion, several problems were identified, including how you interacted with other editors. A year has passed since then, so could you explain what you learnt from it and any changes you made to your editing habits?
- A:Thanks for reminding me of that ANI thread, Athomeinkobe. I wouldn't have been a better and valuable editor without that thread. I never realize the damages that biting newcomers and copyright infringements could cause Wikipedia until that thread was initiated. Following the closure of the discussion, I learned to be polite and welcoming to new editors because I later realized that new editors are Wikipedia's most valuable resource and we need to treat them with kindness and patience. Copyvio is another pertinent issue that was raised. Then I have no experience about the use of contents on Wikipedia and 7 of the 8 articles I created was speedily deleted per G12 while the discussion was still on. There, I learned about WP:CV and other related policies and guidelines. I am open to learning from mistakes and since the closure of the discussion and deletion of the 7 articles, I had created over 500 articles across a wide range of topics with only one deleted through WP:AfD (over 6 months ago). I will like to say that I've never had any problem with new editors since the closure of the discussion till date.
- Additional questions from SilkTork
- 5. You come upon an AfD to close it and find all those involved, with possible signs of being canvassed, say A, with nobody saying B, yet B is the appropriate policy based option. What do you do? SilkTork ✔Tea time 07:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- A: Since policy-based arguments are the valid and acceptable arguments at WP:AfD, I will give more weight to B, the appropriate policy based option than unsupported statements in favor of A. In this case, I will relist the debate to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
- 6. Looking back at your interactions with User:Cruks, and your essay User:Wikicology/Mosquitoes - how do you know when you are dealing with a "mosquito" rather than a well meaning but inexperienced editor, and how would you differentiate between them in your behaviour, attitude and procedure? SilkTork ✔Tea time 07:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- A:Cruks (talk · contribs) is not an editor I will considered a MOSQUITO per my essay. WP:MOSQUITOES are people who only join Wikipedia to promote themselves, their non-notable band, company and so on. I often recognize them through their contributions. For example, an editor that was blocked for continued recreation of article about his non-notable company will certainly want to re-create the same article under a different username. If I happen to be the editor that tagged the previous article for deletion, I will probably be aware of its re-creation if the article is created under the same title. With this, i will easily identify the user as the blocked user. Such an editor is the mosquito I described in my essay. With kind regards.
Discussion
- Links for Wikicology: Wikicology (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for Wikicology can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.
Support
- Support: Wikicology has proven beyond reasonable doubts that he's a superb editor by his way of editing. He will be a good Administrator. Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support: as nominator (I see somebody else has beaten me to the polling booth — well done!) David Cannon (talk) 15:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Without being biased, I am supporting the candidacy of Wikicology because he was the editor who gave me the confidence to edit on Wikipedia. His contributions to Wikipedia especially on WikiProject Nigeria-related topics and AfD is commendable. He has my support! --—OluwaCurtis »» (talk to me) 15:26, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Great contributions despite only 6,300 edits; part of the rare group of editors that actually can effectively apply speedy deletion criteria and deletion policy. Esquivalience t 01:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Looks like a qualified candidate. INeverCry 01:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Candidate is experienced in areas regarding deletion. Net positive. sst✈discuss 02:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support Demonstrates competence in the area where he wishes to work and has the necessary clue to handle the rest of the bit. Wisdom89 (T / C) 02:41, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support –Daß Wölf (talk) 03:27, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Support: I'm watching candidate since few months, he is good at new page patrolling and at AfD, moreover he is humble and polite that one admin should be. He has 2500+ mainspace edits which some people will think "not adequate", but as of now he has created 517 articles which is more than adequate, he don't do small edits, for example see revision history of Abel Idowu Olayinka, he inserted some 20,000+b in single edit, if he would have done 10-20 edits to his each article then his main space edit count would have been somewhere between 6,000-10,000 and total edit count would have been between 13,000-15,000. But he makes big and quality edits thats why his main space edit count is less. Another thing is that, if we want to improve quality of Wikipedia on each Project then we need admins from every region so that they will take care of articles of their related project more actively and with enthusiasm. Africa is big land and I don't think that we have much admins from Africa. And who will become admin from Nigeria/Africa if not Wikicology? --Human3015TALK 05:23, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support one of the few people from Nigeria who can serve as admin here. Wikicology is a perfect candidate who will be a perfect admin. SDK Olobe (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose - NOTNOW, come back after you gain more experience, maybe a year later or even more. - Supdiop (T🔹C) 00:24, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- A user with over 6,000 edits and a year tenure slapped with NOTNOW with no further explanation is fairly condescending. Wisdom89 (T / C) 00:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNOTNOW. All I have to say. Esquivalience t 01:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - I admit that I'm sometimes blunt and hostile with some editors on talk pages for obvious reasons... How on earth will I be polite with spammer? NEVER! I feel bad to oppose you on this but this really puts me off. I completely disagree with this and I believe that even the spammer don't deserve to be treated badly. They might get blocked eventually, but we don't have to come off aggressively at them since they may not be aware of the policies at first. I certainly wouldn't want an admin to be "blunt and hostile" to some new editor or any editor at all "for obvious reasons" regardless of their intentions towards this site. Yash! 01:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Sorry, but 17 months or so of experience on Wikipedia and only around 6.3K edits in total seems like a little light in my book. Come back again later... Guy1890 (talk) 02:47, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- What? I was made an admin after just 6 months' tenure, with only a couple of thousand edits to my name. In those days, we really took Jimbo seriously when he said that adminship should be no big deal. We've made it one, that's a huge mistake, and we need to correct that mistake. David Cannon (talk) 08:12, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Another point: It's not so much the quantity of edits that counts, as the quality. I've got a huge number of edits under my belt now — but most of them are of the variety that would not (I hope) count one way or another in an RFA — just basic janitorial work. Wikicology does not have so many edits — but the ones he has are good quality. He creates articles of highly academic quality — something I cannot say of most of my own, or most other editors', articles.David Cannon (talk) 08:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I'll just be outright that my impression of Wikicology has never been good. This is namely a result of their activity at WP:PERM, where amongst their unwelcomed non-admin closures, new and even senior editors were met with unfounded criticism [1] among other degrading "peanut gallery" comments [2]. This to me is suggestive of a domineering presence, or overeagerness toward bureaucratic process, further evidenced throughout their talk page archives. I also have concerns about their English comprehension, such as here where they failed to either read or understand what others had said, and also their frequent unconventional and peculiar formatting of their words. Wikicology has much of the policy and guidelines down to a T, but I think the attitude is way off, and they'll need to put more thought into their actions and verbalization before I can entrust them with administrative tools. Wikicology, sorry if I am myself being harsh. You are clearly passionate about the project and I don't want to discourage that. I can't offer my support for adminship, but you have my overwhelming support as a strong and valued editor — MusikAnimal talk 05:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. There are numerous indications that the candidate lacks the experience, understanding, and temperament for adminship. Just a few that jump out at me: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. Several discussions on his talk page (including two that I listed) belie his answer to Q3 above. His content contributions on Nigeria are appreciated; keep up the good work there. However, adminship is not appropriate at all, in my view, at least not at this time.
ETA: The answer to Q6 has effectively torpedoed this RfA. Cruks made thousands of good-faith edits to hundreds of articles. To unilaterally describe that editor as "not an editor" but rather a "mosquito" says everything about why this person should not be an administrator, not now, and probably not ever.OK maybe I read the answer to Q6 wrong, but the candidate's English is so garbled everywhere I look that problem alone disqualifies him for adminship. Softlavender (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC): edited Softlavender (talk) 09:27, 30 October 2015 (UTC)- I don't see any problem with my spoken English and you will agree with me that not all editors on Wikipedia hold a degree in English language like you. I'm not a lexicologist or a lexicographer but a Biochemist and a university lecturer. If my English is a problem, it would have reflected in my articles. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nearly every non-article-space communication by you that I have read contains garbled English and consequently the meaning is often unclear. This is unacceptable for an admin. You don't have to have a degree in English or be a lexicographer to write coherent English. If you find nothing amiss in your communications, that further reflects on the problem. Softlavender (talk) 10:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see any problem with my spoken English and you will agree with me that not all editors on Wikipedia hold a degree in English language like you. I'm not a lexicologist or a lexicographer but a Biochemist and a university lecturer. If my English is a problem, it would have reflected in my articles. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose The ANI discussion (linked in Q4) from just over a year ago shows so many problems (comments like "I am now very unsure if Wikicology can actually function here on the English Wikipedia on anything beyond very basic level editing") that I do not beleive this editor is ready for adminship. Interesting comments in that ANI include "I had been very active ever since I joined the project with the desire to become an administrator someday." and (from another editor) "[it looks like you have read a book about how] to become a guaranteed administrator within 6 months of starting to edit Wikipedia.". DexDor (talk) 06:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- The problems highlighted in the ANI discussion (linked in Q4) had been addressed over a year ago and the editors that made the comment you pointed out, User:Darreg and User:Demiurge1000 had been ban from Wikipedia for disruptive editing . Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Inexperienced, unless and until adminship becomes "no big deal" as whatshisname claimed he wanted it to be, this is not a good idea. Also, refactoring other people's comments is not humble, responsible or diligent. It's rude. pablo 08:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Pablo X, I'm deeply sorry if you find it offensive, I never did that in bad faith. I don't see any offence in restructuring, as long as the wording remain unchanged. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- It is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy, and something you should know as an admin candidate: WP:TPO. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Of course I'm very much familiar with WP:TPO and I have no idea of why you pointed me to that behavioral guideline. Do you check the edits in question at all? That is not a violation of Wikipedia policy as my edits didn't alter the meaning of the user's comments. You must have misinterpreted WP:TPO. Also note that WP:TALKPAGE is not the same as WP:AfD. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- It is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy, and something you should know as an admin candidate: WP:TPO. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Pablo X, I'm deeply sorry if you find it offensive, I never did that in bad faith. I don't see any offence in restructuring, as long as the wording remain unchanged. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 10:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Insufficient experience. Also echoing concerns expressed by MusikAnimal, especially regarding the clerking at WP:PERM. Widr (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Simply not been here long enough to get sufficient experience to do the job properly. Try again in a year. Rcsprinter123 (remark) 10:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Neutral
General comments
- Comment: Please remember that Wikicology is not your run-of-the-mill candidate. He is a university lecturer. Wikipedia needs a lot more qualified people like him on board, in order to counter the (unfair) criticism that gets thrown at it from some members of the public. Recognizing him as an administrator sends a message that Wikipedia appreciates and values people of his academic calibre. Failing to recognize him sends a very different — and disappointing — message, in my opinion. David Cannon (talk) 08:09, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- He already is "on board". We don't elect admins to "send a message", we elect them on the merits. Softlavender (talk) 08:24, 30 October 2015 (UTC)