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#'''Oppose''', only 5 articles created, no indication of good or featured content creation yet. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 22:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''', only 5 articles created, no indication of good or featured content creation yet. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 22:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC) |
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#:It is my view that content creation is not a major part of an admin's job '''as an admin''', and in particular by the time an article gets close to GA/FA, Admin intervention should be little needed. I have never done serious work on a FA, nor been the major person getting an article to GA level -- I usually stop about B-class or lower. But I think i've been a pretty good admin over the years. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to others. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC) |
#:It is my view that content creation is not a major part of an admin's job '''as an admin''', and in particular by the time an article gets close to GA/FA, Admin intervention should be little needed. I have never done serious work on a FA, nor been the major person getting an article to GA level -- I usually stop about B-class or lower. But I think i've been a pretty good admin over the years. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to others. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' - the editor is severely lacking in an understanding of deletion policy, and this is especially concerning for someone who wants to work in speedy deletion. Looking at the CSD log, there are a lot of problems (but I stopped at 4 examples... no need to pile on): (1) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deccan_TV&oldid=673518979 this] [[WP:A7|A7]] tag, despite the fact that the article claimed the subject to be "one of the most popular Telugu TV channels of Telangana state"; (2) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abdulaziz_Bin_Turki_Bin_Talal_Al-Saud&oldid=668467864 this] A7 tag, placed on a page of a member of the Saudi Royal Family; (3) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AIbrahim.tabech&type=revision&diff=668467683&oldid=668461985 this] speedy deletion tag requesting the deletion of a user page because it was a duplicate of a draft, instead of just removing the draft material; and (4) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lawn-Boy&oldid=651789728 this] A7 tag on a page about a lawnmower brand, which although manufactured by a corporation is not itself a corporation. The [https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=Primefac&max=500&startdate=&altname= AfD record] is considerably worse. All of the !votes are delete or speedy delete (which in and of itself is not a problem; many people, including myself do not always heavily patrol the AfD logs, and there is a tendency to only go to AfD when one either sees a notice on a page or when one is nominating something for deletion), and of the delete !vote, the result for 21% was keep, and the result for 22% was speedy keep. The only time the user !voted speedy delete, the result was speedy keep. Even for someone whose main focus would be [[WP:G13]] speedy deletion patrolling and [[WP:RPP]], the fact that the user has said he wants to "deal with the various CSD tags" when there is clearly such a significant lack of knowledge as to the deletion criteria forces me to oppose. That said, I do not see any problems with civility or issues that I think cannot be fixed with a bit more experience. I'd encourage Primefac to become more familiar with the deletion criteria, get a better CSD and AfD track record, and I would likely support in the future. |
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Primefac
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Nomination
Primefac (talk · contribs) – It is my pleasure to present to you Primefac as an adminship candidate. Primefac has had an account since 2010 and has been consistently active since late 2013, racking up over 12000 edits since then. Lately, he has mostly been active in the articles for creation process, where I have noticed him to be one of the most level-headed reviewers there. For AfC reviewers, the tools are a large help in order to process G13s, remove obvious spam, and other tasks. At AfC, he is helpful to the newbies who don’t know our policies, giving them sound advice and teaching them our policies. AfC and G13s are always backlogged, and we could do with more admins to help out.
But don’t be fooled into thinking that Primefac does not have content experience of his own; quite the opposite, in fact. He has taken the article astronomical spectroscopy from a terrible initial state into a strong B-class article that could probably pass a GA review in the state it’s currently in. He is also an active member of WikiProject Astronomy, where I have found him to demonstrate consistently good judgment and reason in scenarios on which he has commented. Even when consensus does not agree with him on an issue, his arguments are always logical, and I believe that he would make a wonderful addition to the admin crew. StringTheory11 (t • c) 22:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination, with thanks for StringTheory11's confidence in me. Primefac (talk) 08:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: The work that springs immediately to mind are the G13 pages and WP:RPP. The former isn't vital but still important for keeping the draft space clean, and the latter is vital for anti-vandalism purposes. With AfC becoming more manageable, I intend on starting to help out with WP:NPP, and would deal with the various CSD tags (particularly copyvios) that get placed on the pages. While it might be a minor admin capability, the ability to see deleted pages would help tremendously on the IRC help channel when users ask why their page was deleted (instead of just vaguely pointing them towards WP:REFUND or the like).
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: On a single-article level, my improvement of astronomical spectroscopy is probably my best contribution. I took a tiny article on a massive subject and expanded it to a fairly reasonable page which acts as a gateway to further articles. There's still work to do, but unfortunately it's near the bottom of my priority pile. On a Wiki-wide level, I've been helping users via IRC and through AfC to create better drafts (or abandon hopeless ones). It's always my goal to not only make better articles, but also inform editors about the useful tools, tips, and tricks to making a better page. It doesn't happen often, but when an editor gives WikiLove (either on IRC or on my talk page) it means that they haven't been completely scared away from editing and will (hopefully) continue to contribute.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have had my share of disagreements with other users regarding pages or my editing practices. Most often it's an SPA who wants to add a particular section or item that isn't necessary. Regardless of the intentions of the editor, I have tried to maintain a level head, follow the BRD protocol, and start a discussion on the talk page in order to resolve the situation (usually with the input of additional editors). Even when it isn't an SPA, I try to discuss the issue before it turns into an edit war. This has worked so far, and I will strive to continue doing so in the future.
- My biggest recent conflict was a series of BOLD AWB edits that I made to remove a promotional/unreliable set of references from a large number of pages. I was perhaps a little too bold, and another editor called me on it. I defended my decision but offered to undo all of my edits should they find support for their concerns. This support never materialized, however I admit that I was slightly more argumentative towards the other editor than I needed to be. I've learned to be a little more cautious since then with my edits, and more courteous to other editors.
- Additional questions from User:DESiegel
- 4. What is your view of Process is important?
- A:
- 5. How strictly should the literal wording of the speedy deletion criteria be applied?
- A:
- 6. What is the place of WP:IAR in carrying out administrative actions?
- A:
- 7. An admin is often expected or requested to help others, particularly new users, and to aid in calming disputes, either resolving them or pointing the participants to proper venues for resolution. How do you see yourself in this aspect of an Admin's role?
- A:
- Additional Question from Risker
- 8 Please tell us more about your work at AFC. In particular, I'd like to know more about how you deal with "spammy" or promotional articles, whether you think that waiting six months before deleting drafts is long enough/too long, and what positive experiences you've had. Thank you.
General comments
- Links for Primefac: Primefac (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for Primefac can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.
Discussion
Support
- Support as nom. StringTheory11 (t • c) 23:00, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient experience, and helps out in a thankless part of WP. No problems that I can see. Miniapolis 23:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Support, from my interactions with Primefac in the IRC help channel and from what I've seen of his AfC reviews I can say they're a knowledgeable and level-headed editor. Not having personally created content doesn't imply a lack of experience when one is hevily involved in helping others to create content. Huon (talk) 23:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Support Don't see any dangerous signs. Lack of article creation experience won't get in the way of using the mop. I like editors who spend time doing tedious work that needs to get done, it frees the creative types to do more content creation. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 23:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose, only 5 articles created, no indication of good or featured content creation yet. GregJackP Boomer! 22:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- It is my view that content creation is not a major part of an admin's job as an admin, and in particular by the time an article gets close to GA/FA, Admin intervention should be little needed. I have never done serious work on a FA, nor been the major person getting an article to GA level -- I usually stop about B-class or lower. But I think i've been a pretty good admin over the years. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to others. DES (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - the editor is severely lacking in an understanding of deletion policy, and this is especially concerning for someone who wants to work in speedy deletion. Looking at the CSD log, there are a lot of problems (but I stopped at 4 examples... no need to pile on): (1) this A7 tag, despite the fact that the article claimed the subject to be "one of the most popular Telugu TV channels of Telangana state"; (2) this A7 tag, placed on a page of a member of the Saudi Royal Family; (3) this speedy deletion tag requesting the deletion of a user page because it was a duplicate of a draft, instead of just removing the draft material; and (4) this A7 tag on a page about a lawnmower brand, which although manufactured by a corporation is not itself a corporation. The AfD record is considerably worse. All of the !votes are delete or speedy delete (which in and of itself is not a problem; many people, including myself do not always heavily patrol the AfD logs, and there is a tendency to only go to AfD when one either sees a notice on a page or when one is nominating something for deletion), and of the delete !vote, the result for 21% was keep, and the result for 22% was speedy keep. The only time the user !voted speedy delete, the result was speedy keep. Even for someone whose main focus would be WP:G13 speedy deletion patrolling and WP:RPP, the fact that the user has said he wants to "deal with the various CSD tags" when there is clearly such a significant lack of knowledge as to the deletion criteria forces me to oppose. That said, I do not see any problems with civility or issues that I think cannot be fixed with a bit more experience. I'd encourage Primefac to become more familiar with the deletion criteria, get a better CSD and AfD track record, and I would likely support in the future.
Neutral
- Neutral for now, pending answers to questions and some looking into the candidate's history, but leaning towards support. DES (talk) 23:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Overall work is good, but some of the bluelinks in your CSD log are worrying. If you were an American, I'd probably oppose outright for this, despite it being six months ago, since you say you plan to work with copyvios. This tagging of an article about a film as A7 (admin-only link, sorry; the article was later deleted for a different reason) does not impress me, either. —Cryptic 23:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)