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#'''Support''' Apart from having faith in Rudget's nominations, I think this editor does great work. As xeno points out in the opposes, you cannot know all there is to adminship when RfAing - you will learn with time. I have great faith, that Nev1 will be responsible enough to learn all he needs to know and not go round, abusing the tools. '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]]#[[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #1F3F53">Why</span>]]''' <sup><small>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SoWhy|review me!]]</small></sup> 09:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Apart from having faith in Rudget's nominations, I think this editor does great work. As xeno points out in the opposes, you cannot know all there is to adminship when RfAing - you will learn with time. I have great faith, that Nev1 will be responsible enough to learn all he needs to know and not go round, abusing the tools. '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]]#[[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #1F3F53">Why</span>]]''' <sup><small>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/SoWhy|review me!]]</small></sup> 09:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. If you are smart enough to write excellent articles, you can handle being an admin. Being a good article writer requires a far higher level of competence than being an admin, which is really not that difficult if you are a) sane and b) not a moron. Meets both a) and b). [[User:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#963"><B>Neıl</B></u>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#936"><big><big><span class="Unicode">☄</span></big></big></u>]] 09:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. If you are smart enough to write excellent articles, you can handle being an admin. Being a good article writer requires a far higher level of competence than being an admin, which is really not that difficult if you are a) sane and b) not a moron. Meets both a) and b). [[User:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#963"><B>Neıl</B></u>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#936"><big><big><span class="Unicode">☄</span></big></big></u>]] 09:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Nev1
(talk page) (33/3/4); Scheduled to end 19:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Nomination by Rudget
I am delighted to nominate and introduce Nev1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for adminship. He has contributed steadily since October 2006 – making more extended and developed content additions since then, amassing 6100+ edits in that 20 month period.
Moving on the specifics of the candidate, in the few months that I've known Nev1, that is through the well-established Greater Manchester WikiProject, I have discovered a multitude of talents that make him perfectly suited for such a task as being an administrator. Nev1 has been an active participant mainly in the discussion of articles and other affiliated content types relating to the WikiProject I mentioned earlier, but he's also played roles in the good article nominations process (where he has also demonstrated an excellent interpretation of the criteria set for reviewers), other requests for adminships and some AfDs (example). Nev1 does not particularly work extensively within project (in this context I mean Wikipedia) noticeboards, but he does have some experience with reverting and notifying users of his reverts, knows CSD tagging policy of own work, reverts unsourced edits, moves pages to reflect more well-known titles and has displayed diligence updating others projects noticeboards with notifications. Aside from the housekeeping tasks, his mainspace contributions are outstanding (they are listed in no particular order): Template:FA Trafford, Template:FA Altrincham, Template:FA Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester, Template:FA Castles in Greater Manchester, Dunham Massey, Warburton, Greater Manchester, Buckton Castle, Warwick Castle, Sale, Greater Manchester, Hale Barns, City of Salford, Deva Victrix (received a barnstar for 'exemplary work' here), Murrays' Mills, Mamucium and Urmston.
In terms of discussion and communication with other users, he has shown great aptitude for wishing to work with others effectively to promote Wikipedia's general state of articles. He is clearly a civil user with a block log free from any blocks. Some good examples of where he has shown these skills can be found easily in his recent contributions, but for sake of convenience I'll list some here – 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. The first one in particular impressed me somewhat since its not too often we see others thanking reviewers for the time they put into evaluating the articles we've contributed to.
I am very much glad and appreciative that Nev1 decided to accept the offer and I wish now the community can now promote a user who is so good with articles that it is clear Wikipedia will benefit if he is given the admin bit. Rudget 19:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I don't intend to go around closing AfDs, at least not right away; that's not where my experience lies, I spend a lot of time writing articles. In time I will probably participate more in AfD debates and such like, but since I'm aware I have limited experience of those areas I would walk before I could run. At least to begin with, I would mainly use the tools within the Greater Manchester wikiproject (WP:GM), something which Jza84 already ably does, helping with the simple tasks that may take up the time of other, more experienced admins. Semi-protecting articles would be useful, especially when particular articles are subject to unusually high levels of vandalism due to a mention in the media. It also seems to me that a good place to start would be keeping an eye on Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user as I've tagged a few images I've uploaded for deletion and have experienced a delay when there really doesn't need to be one.
- The usefulness of having the tools was drawn to my attention recently when several articles on my watchlist were vandalised and there was little I could do to stop it. Anonymous editors were vandalising one article in particular faster than I could revert it; with the prospect of continuous vandalism for a an unknown period of time, the obvious step was to semi-protect the page which I suggested to the relevant wikiproject although I should have taken it straight to WP:RFP. The page was eventually protected, but in the meantime there was further vandalism.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: As Rudget mentioned in his nominating statement, I've been involved in a few featured articles which technically are the best wikipedia has to offer. That said, not every article can be featured, and I feel I do a lot of good work, mainly within WP:GM; although I am trying to branch out a bit. It is satisfying to build a network of contacts with people interested in improving wikipedia through contributions to articles you're all interested in. Different articles required different skills, being able to co-operate with other editors, sift through information, and assess sources for reliability. Trafford required combining information from a large number of sources; Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester required a lot of repetitive and some difficult searching for sources online; Warwick Castle involved reading what I felt to be some very turgid prose as my main source. Sorry if I'm boasting.
- It's difficult to chose, but I think the best and most most rewarding article I've worked on was Castles in Greater Manchester. It started off as a curiosity, I wondered how many (if any) there were in my local area. There was no article or list available but I was able to compile one myself; before I realised it I had a complete list, one I hope to be as interesting to readers as it was for me writing it. In the process of producing an example of "the best that Wikipedia has to offer" I enjoyed myself, which I believe is an important part of this project.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: None stick in my mind, but if ever an editor causes me aggravation I take time to stop and assess the situation. It's sometimes easy to misconstrue what a person means and when you can't see the look on their face or hear the tone of their voice you can sometimes see confrontation where there is none. When interacting with other wikipedians I make an effort (hopefully successful) to ensure I'm not misunderstood. The easiest way to deal with someone who stresses you out is to walk away and relax, then approach the situation again with a clear head.
Question from User:Sumoeagle179
- 4. Great article writing. But please elaborate on your experience in admin related areas. Sumoeagle179 (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- A: I freely admit my experience of admin areas is limited, and certainly no where near as extensive as some editors would prefer. I have nominated a group of articles for deletion on grounds of non-notability; the result was deleted for the reasons I nominated it. Recently, the article on Mitch Benn was the target of some malicious and malignant vandalism, anonymous users were inserting POV persistantly. After considering the options open I decided that banning IP addresses would be inappropriate as they seemed to be changing regularly, instead I requested semi-protection which was implemented. I also reported a newly created account – which was created specifically to vandalise the Mitch Benn article – for having an inappropriate username. It turned out to be a bit pointless as the editor was already blocked, but before reporting the user I reviewed all the criteria for blocking to make sure I was in the right. I also have taken part in discussion about articles for deletion within WP:GM. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head I'm afraid.
- I hope that while this demonstrates I have a limited involvement in admin areas at the moment, I have thought about the actions I am taking and acting responsibly when getting involved.
Optional question from xenocidic
- 5. As an administrator, you will come across some extremely vulgar language and often come under attack for your actions. You will most likely have to deal with some fairly troublesome users. The users you block will sometimes ask to be unblocked. Please review the very NSFW scenario outlined at User:Xenocidic/RFAQ and describe how you would respond to the IP's request to be unblocked.
- A: The user is clearly abusive and I'm not convinced that they wouldn't continue to vandalise wikipedia. He continued vandalising even after a 5 day block, after which I would have hoped that he'd get bored or start constructively editing. After multiple warnings and one block, their behaviour doesn't seem to have changed, one relatively constructive edit does not make up for his previous acts. Taking this into account, I would deny their request for an unblock.
Optional questions from NuclearWarfare
- 6. Will you add yourself to CAT:AOR or make yourself available to recall in some other way?
- A. I intend to, I believe accountability is important. Too many editors consider adminship to be a badge of immunity, which should not be the case. I've not yet considered what the conditions of my AOR would be, but I shall think consider what they could be.
- 7. Please define notability in your own words
- A. Well, what I go by is the "must appear in reliable third party sources" bit. Without reliable third party sources it's impossible to write a good quality, neutral, and most importantly verifiable article. A rule of thumb I use is if it's on a reliable website (such as the BBC), or in a newspaper, or there's an academic book on it, it's notable. A good question to ask is also "would this appear in an encyclopaedia such Brittannica", while I agree this is useful I don't think it's be all and end all since wikipedia is trying to be more comprehensive than other encyclopaedias. Also there would be nothing on castles in Greater Manchester even though there are reliable etc sources available on the subject.
Optional questions from Epbr123
- 8. If I were to request the speedy deletion of this article under criteria G7, would you delete the article or reject the request? Epbr123 (talk) 22:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- G7 is that only editor to the article has requested it to be deleted. The first thing I did was look at the article. There should be plenty of material that could be added to it, I actually started looking for some. I'd ask the user who wants the article deleted why they've made this decision and try to encourage them to expand it. In this case I'd ask if they minded if I tried expanding the article since it would seem a waste of an article with potential, however I obviously couldn't do this all the time. So I suppose I wouldn't speedy it.
Optional question from Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 00:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- 9 What is the difference between a block and a ban? When, and by whom, should each be administered? Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 00:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Optional question from John Vandenberg
- 10 Are there any specific administrators whom you consider particularly influential and/or especially good Wikipedia role models? Why? (Swiped from RfA/Jza84)
General comments
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Nev1 before commenting.
Discussion
Support
- Support - Nev1 is a great candidate - per nomination. Rudget 19:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - No problems here; looks like a very good editor, clear block log. Seems to have a good understanding of policies and guidelines. D.M.N. (talk) 19:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Suport Record looks clean shows a sensible level of understanding of admin-related activity. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 19:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support; clean record and seems to know his way around policies. Ironholds 19:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Writes articles. Knows limitations. He doesn't need to lurk moar around AfD for months to get the mop and bucket. Protonk (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support, per having no concerns based upon my criteria for supporting an admin candidate, and the fact that experience in the traditional "admin-related areas" of Wikipedia is somewhat overrated in my view. S. Dean Jameson 20:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Would make a good admin. « Diligent Terrier (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support without reservation. Nev1 is a sensible and hard-working editor who clearly has wikipedia's best interests at heart. His replies to the standard questions demonstrate that he would not rush in to unfamiliar areas once granted the extra buttons, but would feel his way into his new role. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Support Looks good on a surface level and I have faith in Rudget. But didn't dig deep enough to give more than weak support.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 21:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - trustworthy editor. Good answer to Q1; think he'll be ok at semi-protecting pages, and closing articles for deletion discussions. PhilKnight (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Great user, would make a good admin. LittleMountain5 21:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- No reason to oppose. Sceptre (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support levelheaded, mature, polite, gets what the site is about, great contributor. Lack of playing in admin areas is not of much concern. Nev1 appears the sort of editor who will be cautious as an admin, and not make mistakes twice. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Nev1 is an excellent contributor and has demonstrated a well-considered, pragmatic approach to editing; I have no reason to doubt that this would continue were he to be given the tools. We really could do with more admins, like Nev1, who know their own weaknesses and are prepared to assess a situation before jumping in. The answers he has given to the questions are exemplary. Rje (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weakish support- I'm not entirely convinced Nev1 needs the tools as he's not particularly active in admin-related areas. Still, there is no doubt in my mind that he can be trusted with them and, even if he only uses the mop and bucket sparingly, Wikipedia will be better off. Reyk YO! 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Strong support per nom. Outstanding user. --Jza84 | Talk 22:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Support. I would go neutral or even oppose based on lack of experience in core areas, but I was swayed over to the support side. What influenced me the most was that I can see you want the tools to help out, not to simply have them. Plus (though this is to a lesser extent), I trust Rudget. Malinaccier (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support due to barnstars and good articles indicated on userpage and in nomination above. User is clearly here to improve the encyclopedia and gets along with others. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support, I see no reason to not support. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 23:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - due to many GA's and no reason not to trust --T-rex 01:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support We are here to determine if we can trust the user with the tools. The article writing shows we can. The rules come from common sense and the contribution to the encyclopedia show trust; trust that the user will use his/her best common sense on Wikipedia. That is all you need: to use your best common sense, and when users contribute responsibly, I have no doubt they will use there best common sense. --Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 01:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Great article work = trust, plus a perfect answer to Xeno's question. —Giggy 01:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Great answer to Xenocidic's question. Great article work.--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 02:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Doesn't act like a ten-year-old. Daniel (talk) 02:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Per Daniel and the well written nom by Rudget :)America69 (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Just the kind of person we need. Nick mallory (talk) 02:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Has the right skills (writes articles), does excellent work. As per "not enough admin-type work/trust", if he was at ANI or AIV or whatever, we would be screaming that he wants it too much...Nev1, please keep doing wht you are doing. King Pickle (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- That's an impressive list of work and experience in the nom! Support — $PЯINGεrαgђ 03:20 4 August, 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Appears to use common sense, something this project has very little of and with lots of article work we have more than just another run of the mill anti-vandal only candidate. Best of luck, Tiptoety talk 06:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Hard-working editor with admirable writing accomplishments. Agree with Xeno that answer to Q4 isn't very good, but a close reading of block policy will do. --PeaceNT (talk) 06:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support great article writing, reasonable understanding of most admin tasks, seems sensible. of course. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 09:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Fine contributor, clearly cares about the project & so no reason to presume he would run amok with the mop. nancy talk 09:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Apart from having faith in Rudget's nominations, I think this editor does great work. As xeno points out in the opposes, you cannot know all there is to adminship when RfAing - you will learn with time. I have great faith, that Nev1 will be responsible enough to learn all he needs to know and not go round, abusing the tools. So#Why review me! 09:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. If you are smart enough to write excellent articles, you can handle being an admin. Being a good article writer requires a far higher level of competence than being an admin, which is really not that difficult if you are a) sane and b) not a moron. Meets both a) and b). Neıl ☄ 09:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- per nom and other fine reasons stated above. 14:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose — Great article work ≠ Trust. — I don't see anything that makes me think you would use the tools responsibly. Nor do I know how to spell "responsibley", which probably cut down the seriousness of this oppose quite a bit. :-/ That might be a good thing though, I won't get flamed as much now.--KojiDude (C) 20:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I know this'll lead to some discussion and I'm sure its on others minds (going by the neutral below), but what would lead you to trust the candidate? And you spelt responsibly correctly. :) Rudget 20:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- He certainly has a point in a general sense. Trust isn't transitive (to borrow a phrase). We trust airline pilots to fly planes, it doesn't necessarily follow that they should be trusted with firearms (source for my ramblings). On wikipedia, I personally think that article writing is a great way to produce trust, assuming that you do it a lot and that you don't get into troubles with it. Sure, articles aren't the drama pages, but if you spend years making significant contributions to articles you are bound to get into content disputes and issues over reverts. Handling those professionally provides experience that AIV/AfD/etc can't provide. So I can see where you are coming from but I definitely feel that article work points to trust (assuming that work doesn't result in problems). Protonk (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly what I was thinking. Nev1 knows policy and is able to work well with others on a number of projects (not just articles) so that really is a good determining factor were you in doubt of the user's ability to conduct the tools effectively. Rudget 20:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- But to be fair to the oppose, it is a legitimate claim to say that trust in wikipedia isn't transitive and that the only thing that builds an admin record is work in admin related areas. Protonk (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Um... I guess Protonk pretty much defended my Oppose for me. To me, being able to write articles is a unique quality, and I admire it. For that reason I respect Nev1. But, I don't trust him to use admin tools. Without seeing him getting into the groove and experiencing admin area-tasks, I don't know if he can use the tools well or not.--KojiDude (C) 22:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I doubt I'll convince you at this point, and I respect your opinion, but (from where I am coming from) I feel the need to point out article building and project work is exactly the right place where one builds trust within the community. To do so much content building and not misbehave, loose his temper or even make a bad call on content/consensus is really, really admirable IMHO. As Jimbo says himself, adminship ain't a big deal - indeed I usually only use the buttons for deleting images I've moved to commons. I trust Nev1 is capable of that!... Infact, I think this comment of mine is applicable to all the opposition below that is based on fear/reluctance. --Jza84 | Talk 01:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Um... I guess Protonk pretty much defended my Oppose for me. To me, being able to write articles is a unique quality, and I admire it. For that reason I respect Nev1. But, I don't trust him to use admin tools. Without seeing him getting into the groove and experiencing admin area-tasks, I don't know if he can use the tools well or not.--KojiDude (C) 22:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- But to be fair to the oppose, it is a legitimate claim to say that trust in wikipedia isn't transitive and that the only thing that builds an admin record is work in admin related areas. Protonk (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly what I was thinking. Nev1 knows policy and is able to work well with others on a number of projects (not just articles) so that really is a good determining factor were you in doubt of the user's ability to conduct the tools effectively. Rudget 20:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- He certainly has a point in a general sense. Trust isn't transitive (to borrow a phrase). We trust airline pilots to fly planes, it doesn't necessarily follow that they should be trusted with firearms (source for my ramblings). On wikipedia, I personally think that article writing is a great way to produce trust, assuming that you do it a lot and that you don't get into troubles with it. Sure, articles aren't the drama pages, but if you spend years making significant contributions to articles you are bound to get into content disputes and issues over reverts. Handling those professionally provides experience that AIV/AfD/etc can't provide. So I can see where you are coming from but I definitely feel that article work points to trust (assuming that work doesn't result in problems). Protonk (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I know this'll lead to some discussion and I'm sure its on others minds (going by the neutral below), but what would lead you to trust the candidate? And you spelt responsibly correctly. :) Rudget 20:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Great article work, but not enough admin-area work to demonstrate a comprehensive enough grasp of policy. Answer to Xeno's question pretty much sealed the deal for me. Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 23:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose as per the response to Xeno's question, as it indicates a lack of policy knowledge in an important admin area. The blocking administrator should never be the one to deny an unblock request; one should always seek a secondary opinion for an unblock. Also, is it too much to offer a {{second chance}}? NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 00:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Neutral
- A quiet and civil user, and a dedicated article writer, but his admin-related experience is very weak at the moment. Epbr123 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Neutral - Need to be pensive here. This user obviously demonstrates sublime editorial work, but nary any experience in the project space. This is usually a red flag, large or small. I also get a little wary when someone says they wish to use the tools in their favorite Wikiproject. I need to really think this one through, and trust Rudget's judgment to the fullest, so there's another facet to consider. I shall return to this discussion. Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- In my opinion, you really need to reconsider your no-admin-work-in-area-of-interest stance. There are several admins that use the tools to clean up their "favorite wikiproject", and there's nothing inherently wrong with using the tools to do so. In fact, I think that many of the Wikiprojects would benefit from having one or more of their regulars with tools for cleanup. S. Dean Jameson 20:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I understand Dean, but at the moment I'm really trying to focus on this candidate in particular (mostly with regards to the project space in general), and I suppose that means I am partially forced to reconsider my stance on administrators using the tools in their respective topic areas given the applicants intentions. But, please remember that I am in the neutral section, and that my earlier comments regarding this potential COI issue was not the basis for any oppose. Thank you for the comment though. Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- In my opinion, you really need to reconsider your no-admin-work-in-area-of-interest stance. There are several admins that use the tools to clean up their "favorite wikiproject", and there's nothing inherently wrong with using the tools to do so. In fact, I think that many of the Wikiprojects would benefit from having one or more of their regulars with tools for cleanup. S. Dean Jameson 20:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Neutral With regret -- as much as I love content creators, I cannot overlook the candidate's lack of admin-related duties. Ecoleetage (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Neutral — admins should not decline unblocks from blocks they placed, and I would hope they would try to reform vandals when they do show a glimmer of hope as the hypothetical vandal did at 11:18. However, I believe the candidate has misread the scenario because they didn't serve the 5 day block, so I'll just remain neutral for now. –xeno (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Interesting story, but it needs an ending. Did the vandal reform or not? That's surely the only way to tell who's "right" isn't it? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, they reformed. –xeno (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- You'll have to excuse my natural cynicism, but why can I find no user contributions for that IP address? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Look here - Peripitus (Talk) 07:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. What an extraordinary transformation. Difficult to believe it's the same person. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 11:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Look here - Peripitus (Talk) 07:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- You'll have to excuse my natural cynicism, but why can I find no user contributions for that IP address? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, they reformed. –xeno (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah fair enough, I misread the five day break in the middle as a five day block. It's a bit late to change my answer, but this is a learning process. Nev1 (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Can't hurt to clarify =) –xeno (talk) 23:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Obviously I thought they'd already been given a five day ban, I thought that if the first day ban hadn't worked then shortening the second one wouldn't serve any purpose. It seems quite clear now that the correct thing to do would be to ask another admin to intervene to maintain objectivity. Nev1 (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Can't hurt to clarify =) –xeno (talk) 23:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Interesting story, but it needs an ending. Did the vandal reform or not? That's surely the only way to tell who's "right" isn't it? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)