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:*Allegations of me trying to "hide" something is unfounded and ridiculous. I can just register a new account with no connection to this one if I really was trying to hide something. People have done this before and it is allowed. |
:*Allegations of me trying to "hide" something is unfounded and ridiculous. I can just register a new account with no connection to this one if I really was trying to hide something. People have done this before and it is allowed. |
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:*I feel this issue is '''extremely lame'''. |
:*I feel this issue is '''extremely lame'''. |
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:--<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Just a note there are two ANI threads on it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Ned_Scott here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cool_Cat_-.3E_User:White_Cat_signature_changes here]. Might want to give those an eyeball before giving an opinion. —— '''[[user:Eagle 101|<font color="navy">Eagle</font><font color="red">101]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Eagle 101|Need help?]]</sup> 02:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
Just a note there are two ANI threads on it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Ned_Scott here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Cool_Cat_-.3E_User:White_Cat_signature_changes here]. Might want to give those an eyeball before giving an opinion. —— '''[[user:Eagle 101|<font color="navy">Eagle</font><font color="red">101]]'''</font><sup>[[user_talk:Eagle 101|Need help?]]</sup> 02:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::I do not believe "what are you trying to hide" is a legitimate question. "Can you hide anything" is a better one. I am incapable of "hiding" anything. It is the deletion of a former userpage which does not affect my contribution history, block log, move log, user rename log or any other log. Since the talk page is there people can find my new username - just a bit inconveniently. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::::I do not believe "what are you trying to hide" is a legitimate question. "Can you hide anything" is a better one. I am incapable of "hiding" anything. It is the deletion of a former userpage which does not affect my contribution history, block log, move log, user rename log or any other log. Since the talk page is there people can find my new username - just a bit inconveniently. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::::::But what is the point of you having it deleted? The effect is to inconvenience people. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 15:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*::::::But what is the point of you having it deleted? The effect is to inconvenience people. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 15:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::::If I really wanted to "inconvenience people" I would not have put the links on my userpage. In addition if I truly wanted to "inconvenience people", I would just register a new account. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*:::::::If I really wanted to "inconvenience people" I would not have put the links on my userpage. In addition if I truly wanted to "inconvenience people", I would just register a new account. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 15:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::::Since when does a user need to explain why he wants his user page deleted? Can you honestly say if the user requesting this wasn't Cool Cat you'd still have the same issues with the deletion as you do right now? [[User:Yonatan|Yonatan]] <sup>[[User_talk:Yonatan|talk]]</sup> 08:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::::::Since when does a user need to explain why he wants his user page deleted? Can you honestly say if the user requesting this wasn't Cool Cat you'd still have the same issues with the deletion as you do right now? [[User:Yonatan|Yonatan]] <sup>[[User_talk:Yonatan|talk]]</sup> 08:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::::::::I suggest that you read [[Wikipedia:User page#How do I delete my user and user talk pages?]] —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*::::::::I suggest that you read [[Wikipedia:User page#How do I delete my user and user talk pages?]] —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::::RFCs, RFAs, RfArs, RfMs aren't affected. I am not under arbitration remedies (past case is logged on my userpage under history) and I have a very nice archive of my past RfAs linked on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 11:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*::::RFCs, RFAs, RfArs, RfMs aren't affected. I am not under arbitration remedies (past case is logged on my userpage under history) and I have a very nice archive of my past RfAs linked on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 11:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::Your statement of "''RFCs, RFAs, RfArs, RfMs aren't affected''" illustrates my point: if someone were perusing the list of old RfAs and clicked on your former name, they would only end up with an empty page if the redirect is itself deleted. Furthermore, even if your bot does get every single old signature, I'm not sure that it would be able to change links like <nowiki>{{user2|Cool Cat}}</nowiki> --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 13:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::::Your statement of "''RFCs, RFAs, RfArs, RfMs aren't affected''" illustrates my point: if someone were perusing the list of old RfAs and clicked on your former name, they would only end up with an empty page if the redirect is itself deleted. Furthermore, even if your bot does get every single old signature, I'm not sure that it would be able to change links like <nowiki>{{user2|Cool Cat}}</nowiki> --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 13:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::::::I am having difficulty comprehending the problem. Would you mind illustrating with an example? --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*::::::I am having difficulty comprehending the problem. Would you mind illustrating with an example? --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 13:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::::I've done some searching, and some thinking, and perhaps you're right. Would ''only'' your userpage be deleted, or the talk page as well? I think that at least ''some'' Cool Cat-> White Cat connection needs to be kept, not just White Cat -> Cool Cat, if that makes any sense. People who click on any of your old Cool Cat links need to be able to find you. If at least the talk page is maintained as a redirect, I'm willing to change my decision. --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::::::I've done some searching, and some thinking, and perhaps you're right. Would ''only'' your userpage be deleted, or the talk page as well? I think that at least ''some'' Cool Cat-> White Cat connection needs to be kept, not just White Cat -> Cool Cat, if that makes any sense. People who click on any of your old Cool Cat links need to be able to find you. If at least the talk page is maintained as a redirect, I'm willing to change my decision. --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::::::However, you do need to make it clear, permanently, on your current page that you had prior usernames. People should not have to dig through logs to find the connection between your old and new accounts. One more thing: if you haven't already, please update your listing in the List of non-admins by edit count to reflect your new name. I would include a link, but I can't seem to find it, sorry! --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::::::However, you do need to make it clear, permanently, on your current page that you had prior usernames. People should not have to dig through logs to find the connection between your old and new accounts. One more thing: if you haven't already, please update your listing in the List of non-admins by edit count to reflect your new name. I would include a link, but I can't seem to find it, sorry! --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::::::::I have a lot of bookmarks using my old talk page linkage. I have no intention of deleting the older talk pages. If I wanted to really hide my history I would just register a new account with no connection to this one. A lot of people had done this in the past... I do not have such an intention. I am making my username change as public as possible. Few people are unaware of it now after this past nonsnese. While I am not required to even mention past accounts, I have already done so on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*::::::::I have a lot of bookmarks using my old talk page linkage. I have no intention of deleting the older talk pages. If I wanted to really hide my history I would just register a new account with no connection to this one. A lot of people had done this in the past... I do not have such an intention. I am making my username change as public as possible. Few people are unaware of it now after this past nonsnese. While I am not required to even mention past accounts, I have already done so on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 14:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', changed from "Keep redirect" as stated above. I'm convinced that transparency will be maintained because of the user's stated desire to maintain the old talk page and list his former usernames on his current page. Oh, and White Cat, if you are interested in updating the list of non-admins by edit count, the link is [[WP:NA|here]]. --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''', changed from "Keep redirect" as stated above. I'm convinced that transparency will be maintained because of the user's stated desire to maintain the old talk page and list his former usernames on his current page. Oh, and White Cat, if you are interested in updating the list of non-admins by edit count, the link is [[WP:NA|here]]. --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 14:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Question''' - what happens to [[User:Coolcat]] - deleted yesterday? I'm beginning to change my mind on this. As long as the '''deletion logs''' for these two pages include a link to [[User:White Cat]], there should be no problem. That would be like a "redirect" for those who know where to look. The current deletion log for [[User:Coolcat]] is a good example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Coolcat]. That would mean that replacing all the sigs wasn't even needed, but it does help. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 03:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Question''' - what happens to [[User:Coolcat]] - deleted yesterday? I'm beginning to change my mind on this. As long as the '''deletion logs''' for these two pages include a link to [[User:White Cat]], there should be no problem. That would be like a "redirect" for those who know where to look. The current deletion log for [[User:Coolcat]] is a good example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Coolcat]. That would mean that replacing all the sigs wasn't even needed, but it does help. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 03:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::The discussion is weather or not I have any ''control'' over my userpage. I do not want to have "former" userpages. I want to get it deleted completely. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::The discussion is weather or not I have any ''control'' over my userpage. I do not want to have "former" userpages. I want to get it deleted completely. --<small> [[User:White Cat|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat|chi?]]</sup> 10:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - I'm convinced that deletion doesn't hide anything. Usurption can't take place. All necessary links (talk pages, block logs, contribs lists, and so forth) are at [[User:White Cat]] or subpages thereof. Links are (or should be) in the deletion log, and this MfD is also a good record of what happened, so just delete and move on. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 12:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - I'm convinced that deletion doesn't hide anything. Usurption can't take place. All necessary links (talk pages, block logs, contribs lists, and so forth) are at [[User:White Cat]] or subpages thereof. Links are (or should be) in the deletion log, and this MfD is also a good record of what happened, so just delete and move on. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 12:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:I'd like to add that the logs and links in question were still accessible through "inconvenient" links even if I didn't put them on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*:I'd like to add that the logs and links in question were still accessible through "inconvenient" links even if I didn't put them on my userpage. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 13:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Move to BJAODN''' Now that I think about it, this whole thing is pretty stupid. I've better shit to do. -<b><font color="#800000">[[User:Pilotguy|Pilotguy]]</font> <small>[[User_talk:Pilotguy|hold short]]</small></b> 13:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Move to BJAODN''' Now that I think about it, this whole thing is pretty stupid. I've better shit to do. -<b><font color="#800000">[[User:Pilotguy|Pilotguy]]</font> <small>[[User_talk:Pilotguy|hold short]]</small></b> 13:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' For goodness' sake, Cat is kind enough to volunteer his username history at his new page, and isn't asking that the talk records be deleted. All that will happen to the many places where he signed his old name is a "red-linking." WP allows this for discreet username changes all the time; despite past controversies, Cat does do good work here, and deserves the courtesy. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 15:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' For goodness' sake, Cat is kind enough to volunteer his username history at his new page, and isn't asking that the talk records be deleted. All that will happen to the many places where he signed his old name is a "red-linking." WP allows this for discreet username changes all the time; despite past controversies, Cat does do good work here, and deserves the courtesy. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 15:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::Ultimately it is my userpage. Linking to my past logs is merely a courtesy on my part, I am neither expected nor required to put them. People can be inconvenienced (I do not see how) and it is not my problem. Nor is their inconvenience a reason to keep the page. |
*::Ultimately it is my userpage. Linking to my past logs is merely a courtesy on my part, I am neither expected nor required to put them. People can be inconvenienced (I do not see how) and it is not my problem. Nor is their inconvenience a reason to keep the page. |
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*::Userpages are not a crucial aspect of a users contribution to wikipedia. People are not even expected or required to have userpages. |
*::Userpages are not a crucial aspect of a users contribution to wikipedia. People are not even expected or required to have userpages. |
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*::--<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*::--<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 17:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::You also don't own these pages, and if other users see fit to use them to help them find and idenfity other users, then that's also allowed. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 02:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::You also don't own these pages, and if other users see fit to use them to help them find and idenfity other users, then that's also allowed. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 02:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:::If someone does not have a user page, and gets a user rename, and I go through the trouble of trying to find the person to contact, then the polite thing for me to do is put a redirect from the old page to the new, so that others will not waste their time duplicating what I've already done. Why is this page any different? —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 02:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*:::If someone does not have a user page, and gets a user rename, and I go through the trouble of trying to find the person to contact, then the polite thing for me to do is put a redirect from the old page to the new, so that others will not waste their time duplicating what I've already done. Why is this page any different? —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 02:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per ease of tracking, history and usefullness. Remember WP:OWN, this space is not yours Mr. Cat. ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 05:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' per ease of tracking, history and usefullness. Remember WP:OWN, this space is not yours Mr. Cat. ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 05:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**[[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles]] or WP:OWN for short as its very title explains applies to articles. My userpage is not an "article". The content in question is a "redirect" which als fails to be considered an article. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
**[[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles]] or WP:OWN for short as its very title explains applies to articles. My userpage is not an "article". The content in question is a "redirect" which als fails to be considered an article. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*Outside of "I want to", what purpose would deleting the page have? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 05:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*Outside of "I want to", what purpose would deleting the page have? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 05:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**Does he need another one? --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 05:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
**Does he need another one? --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 05:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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***If his only reason is "I want to for no reason at all", then it would seem that he wants to inconvenience everyone, including this MfD and anyone who might try to contact Cool Cat, for no reason at all. That's stupid; Wikipedia is not hedonism. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 05:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
***If his only reason is "I want to for no reason at all", then it would seem that he wants to inconvenience everyone, including this MfD and anyone who might try to contact Cool Cat, for no reason at all. That's stupid; Wikipedia is not hedonism. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']] • 05:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*** Yes, particularly when it is much easier to leave a redirect behind, which everyone will forget about in a few months. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 05:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*** Yes, particularly when it is much easier to leave a redirect behind, which everyone will forget about in a few months. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 05:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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****If people are incapable of finding my talk page ([[user talk:Cool Cat]]), I honestly feel they ought to check their priorities. Centrix if you are so concerned about people "finding" me why are you reverting my past redirect fixes? You are generating more pages linking to this one by doing so. Please do not complain about an issue steming from your actions. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
****If people are incapable of finding my talk page ([[user talk:Cool Cat]]), I honestly feel they ought to check their priorities. Centrix if you are so concerned about people "finding" me why are you reverting my past redirect fixes? You are generating more pages linking to this one by doing so. Please do not complain about an issue steming from your actions. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*I have a compromise suggestion. Use Protected titles. We can make [[User:White Cat/New identity]], put a short message directing users to your new user page, transclude the old page, and protect it. That way, your old page will be protected as a redlink and anyone going there can find you. That should satisfy everyone. (Although personally, I think this is silly ... of course you should be able to have your page speedied.)--[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 05:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*I have a compromise suggestion. Use Protected titles. We can make [[User:White Cat/New identity]], put a short message directing users to your new user page, transclude the old page, and protect it. That way, your old page will be protected as a redlink and anyone going there can find you. That should satisfy everyone. (Although personally, I think this is silly ... of course you should be able to have your page speedied.)--[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 05:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. User wants his user page deleted. Delete it, put note of username change in deletion log, and it's already on his new user page. More than sufficient in my eyes. -- [[User:Samir|Samir]] 05:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. User wants his user page deleted. Delete it, put note of username change in deletion log, and it's already on his new user page. More than sufficient in my eyes. -- [[User:Samir|Samir]] 05:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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****Deciding to keep the redirect would make the "whole issue go away" to the same extent, with the added benefit of ''not'' making it more difficult for users to find the editor that they seek. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 06:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
****Deciding to keep the redirect would make the "whole issue go away" to the same extent, with the added benefit of ''not'' making it more difficult for users to find the editor that they seek. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 06:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''', unless Cool/White Cat can cite a reason why the project would benefit from the redirect's deletion. Ample evidence that the project benefits from the redirect's continued existence has been provided. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 05:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''', unless Cool/White Cat can cite a reason why the project would benefit from the redirect's deletion. Ample evidence that the project benefits from the redirect's continued existence has been provided. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 05:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*:I do believe agitating me or any other user does not benefit the project. This insistence on keeping my former userpage harms the project by waisting valuable resources such as peoples time on issues such as this very MfD. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*:I do believe agitating me or any other user does not benefit the project. This insistence on keeping my former userpage harms the project by waisting valuable resources such as peoples time on issues such as this very MfD. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*::Deleting the redirect will agitate numerous users, and one could just as easily argue that you're wasting people's time by initiating this MfD debate instead of simply consenting to the retention of a redirect for which you've provided absolutely no deletion rationale beyond "I want so." (I'm ''not'' arguing this, however.) —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*::Deleting the redirect will agitate numerous users, and one could just as easily argue that you're wasting people's time by initiating this MfD debate instead of simply consenting to the retention of a redirect for which you've provided absolutely no deletion rationale beyond "I want so." (I'm ''not'' arguing this, however.) —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I can't help but think he did this to spite those who reverted his sig changes, and make things harder for them. He had no such request to delete the redirect ''until'' he was told to stop updating his sig in archives. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' I can't help but think he did this to spite those who reverted his sig changes, and make things harder for them. He had no such request to delete the redirect ''until'' he was told to stop updating his sig in archives. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Users asking for their userspace to be deleted should be uncontroversial. White Cat links to all the relevant info on his username so I think its reasonable for us to delete his userpage as Cool Cat. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|scribe]]</span> 06:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Users asking for their userspace to be deleted should be uncontroversial. White Cat links to all the relevant info on his username so I think its reasonable for us to delete his userpage as Cool Cat. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|scribe]]</span> 06:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**This isn't about the ability of people familiar with the [[User:White Cat|White Cat]] username to connect it to the [[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] username. It's about the ability of people familiar with the [[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] username (who follow such a link) to connect it to the [[User:White Cat|White Cat]] username. Making this more difficult is the only major effect of the requested deletion that I can think of, and Cool/White cat has yet to cite another reason (or ''any'' reason) why he wants this to be carried out. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 06:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
**This isn't about the ability of people familiar with the [[User:White Cat|White Cat]] username to connect it to the [[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] username. It's about the ability of people familiar with the [[User:Cool Cat|Cool Cat]] username (who follow such a link) to connect it to the [[User:White Cat|White Cat]] username. Making this more difficult is the only major effect of the requested deletion that I can think of, and Cool/White cat has yet to cite another reason (or ''any'' reason) why he wants this to be carried out. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 06:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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***Then take the matter to arbcom (about my disruption). People familiar with my former username are more than capable of figuring out my current name via talk page redirect. I do not believe I need any reason aside from "I want so". Dude its my suerpage, it isn't a document of any kind. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
***Then take the matter to arbcom (about my disruption). People familiar with my former username are more than capable of figuring out my current name via talk page redirect. I do not believe I need any reason aside from "I want so". Dude its my suerpage, it isn't a document of any kind. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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****ArbCom?! When did I express any desire to file a report against you? I merely see clear harm (and no benefit) to the project in deleting this redirect.<br />Again, '''this isn't your user page'''. It's a history-free redirect to your user page. If this were a matter of you departing the wiki or removing personal information that you no longer wished to divulge, I would understand your desire to delete the page. What, other than preventing people from following [[User:Cool Cat]] links and reaching your user page, do you hope to accomplish? And how do you expect someone who sees a red link to realize that the corresponding talk page exists? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
****ArbCom?! When did I express any desire to file a report against you? I merely see clear harm (and no benefit) to the project in deleting this redirect.<br />Again, '''this isn't your user page'''. It's a history-free redirect to your user page. If this were a matter of you departing the wiki or removing personal information that you no longer wished to divulge, I would understand your desire to delete the page. What, other than preventing people from following [[User:Cool Cat]] links and reaching your user page, do you hope to accomplish? And how do you expect someone who sees a red link to realize that the corresponding talk page exists? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*****I was not accusing you spesificaly, just was making a general comment. If I am not arbcom/communitysacntionboard/indefblock worthy the entire "disruptive user" argument mentioned above fails which is apperanly a keep rationale as well as the basis of Ned Scotts irrational behaviour. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
*****I was not accusing you spesificaly, just was making a general comment. If I am not arbcom/communitysacntionboard/indefblock worthy the entire "disruptive user" argument mentioned above fails which is apperanly a keep rationale as well as the basis of Ned Scotts irrational behaviour. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 09:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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******The wording in question refers to a potential reason why speedy deletion of a user page might not be carried out. It has nothing to do with a situation in which such a deletion is disputed (which calls for the page's immediate restoration and an MfD discussion).<br />I would appreciate answers to my questions. They're entirely sincere (and not intended to be confrontational). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
******The wording in question refers to a potential reason why speedy deletion of a user page might not be carried out. It has nothing to do with a situation in which such a deletion is disputed (which calls for the page's immediate restoration and an MfD discussion).<br />I would appreciate answers to my questions. They're entirely sincere (and not intended to be confrontational). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep redirect'''. The previous identity is openly admitted on the new userpage, and the talkpage redirects, so this just seems silly. A redirect is ''useful'', with the downside kind of, err, unstated. -- [[User:Consumed Crustacean|Consumed Crustacean]] <small>([[User talk:Consumed Crustacean|talk]])</small> 06:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep redirect'''. The previous identity is openly admitted on the new userpage, and the talkpage redirects, so this just seems silly. A redirect is ''useful'', with the downside kind of, err, unstated. -- [[User:Consumed Crustacean|Consumed Crustacean]] <small>([[User talk:Consumed Crustacean|talk]])</small> 06:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**This is a bizarre line of thought. These pages and redirects are not just for him, they're for all of us. (Ironically, the redirect would ''benefit'' Cat as well). We need to be able to reasonably find information, especially when the name is being used in several past discussions, often being linked to. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
**This is a bizarre line of thought. These pages and redirects are not just for him, they're for all of us. (Ironically, the redirect would ''benefit'' Cat as well). We need to be able to reasonably find information, especially when the name is being used in several past discussions, often being linked to. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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***Which, by the way, is still well over 2,000 pages of incoming links. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
***Which, by the way, is still well over 2,000 pages of incoming links. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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****No, the userpage is for my personal use only. I can get it deleted at my whim if I desire. If there are well over 2000 broken links, that is most certainly not my problem in any way. Userpages are in no way a critical aspect of wikipedias operation. Many have argued at their lack of necessity. A lot of users do not have userpages a notable example can be [[User:Tony Sidaway]]. In addition I posses the password for "[[User:Cool Cat]]" and it is my account. I tagged it with speedy deletion template from that account as well and yes Ned Scott did revert that too. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
****No, the userpage is for my personal use only. I can get it deleted at my whim if I desire. If there are well over 2000 broken links, that is most certainly not my problem in any way. Userpages are in no way a critical aspect of wikipedias operation. Many have argued at their lack of necessity. A lot of users do not have userpages a notable example can be [[User:Tony Sidaway]]. In addition I posses the password for "[[User:Cool Cat]]" and it is my account. I tagged it with speedy deletion template from that account as well and yes Ned Scott did revert that too. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 07:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*****Indeed, the 2,000+ pages containing broken links would not be your problem. They'd be the community's problem, and that's why some of us seek to prevent said problem from arising (despite the fact that you don't care about it and apparently wish to create it). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*****Indeed, the 2,000+ pages containing broken links would not be your problem. They'd be the community's problem, and that's why some of us seek to prevent said problem from arising (despite the fact that you don't care about it and apparently wish to create it). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' How about the page simply saying "This is the previous, currently inactive userpage of [[User:White Cat]], who changed usernames." or something of the like? It would serve the same purpose without just redirecting. <font face="tahoma small cap"><span style="border: 1px solid #828282; padding: 1px;">[[User:hmwith|<span style="background: #FFFFFF; color: #828282; font-weight: bold; ">hmwith</span>]][[User_talk:hmwith|<span style="background: #828282; color: #FFFFFF;">talk</span>]]</span></font> 08:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' How about the page simply saying "This is the previous, currently inactive userpage of [[User:White Cat]], who changed usernames." or something of the like? It would serve the same purpose without just redirecting. <font face="tahoma small cap"><span style="border: 1px solid #828282; padding: 1px;">[[User:hmwith|<span style="background: #FFFFFF; color: #828282; font-weight: bold; ">hmwith</span>]][[User_talk:hmwith|<span style="background: #828282; color: #FFFFFF;">talk</span>]]</span></font> 08:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' if an owner of userpage wants it deleted, so be it. If this ends up as keep, then to balance the issue, we should recreate Doc glasgow's userpage, or anyone else who had their userpage deleted. It would be only fair, I think. [[User:Grue|<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="#FFFFFF">''' Grue '''</font>]] 08:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' if an owner of userpage wants it deleted, so be it. If this ends up as keep, then to balance the issue, we should recreate Doc glasgow's userpage, or anyone else who had their userpage deleted. It would be only fair, I think. [[User:Grue|<font style="background: black" face="Courier" color="#FFFFFF">''' Grue '''</font>]] 08:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**You're conflating two separate issues. If Cool/White Cat wished to have his user page ([[User:White Cat]]) deleted, that would be fine. (Such links still would lead to his account.) '''This isn't about that.''' We're discussing the requested deletion of a '''''history-free redirect''''' to that user page (which enables people to find him). It could lead to his contribution history or his talk page, and that would be fine. It could simply contain a message explaining the user name change, and ''that'' would be fine. No one is required to have a user page, but Cool/White Cat has supplied no reason (other than "I want so") why we should deliberately break thousands of links, thereby making it harder for people to find him. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
**You're conflating two separate issues. If Cool/White Cat wished to have his user page ([[User:White Cat]]) deleted, that would be fine. (Such links still would lead to his account.) '''This isn't about that.''' We're discussing the requested deletion of a '''''history-free redirect''''' to that user page (which enables people to find him). It could lead to his contribution history or his talk page, and that would be fine. It could simply contain a message explaining the user name change, and ''that'' would be fine. No one is required to have a user page, but Cool/White Cat has supplied no reason (other than "I want so") why we should deliberately break thousands of links, thereby making it harder for people to find him. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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***If the precondition to delete the redirect is my userpage I cam gladly get that deleted too remvoing all links to my past logs. I sincerely hope that isn't preferable. --<small> [[User:White Cat/ |
***If the precondition to delete the redirect is my userpage I cam gladly get that deleted too remvoing all links to my past logs. I sincerely hope that isn't preferable. --<small> [[User:White Cat/sig|Cat]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:White Cat/sig|chi?]]</sup> 09:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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****I don't mind if you do that, provided that [[User:Cool Cat]] were to become a redirect to your talk page or contribution history (or a page explaining the user name change). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
****I don't mind if you do that, provided that [[User:Cool Cat]] were to become a redirect to your talk page or contribution history (or a page explaining the user name change). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 09:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''', if the person wants his old userpage to be deleted, let it be. He still shows his former logs on his current userpage, so why keep it when the user wants it deleted? It's his choice, not ours, what can we say? [[User:Terence|Terence]] 09:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''', if the person wants his old userpage to be deleted, let it be. He still shows his former logs on his current userpage, so why keep it when the user wants it deleted? It's his choice, not ours, what can we say? [[User:Terence|Terence]] 09:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |