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:'''Oppose''' This is really very minor, simply Argentina reasserting its claim to sovereignty over the islands. It would have been more surprising if there had been no reaction at all. There are bigger incidents between Spain and Gibraltar that never even get reported outside the region. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
:'''Oppose''' This is really very minor, simply Argentina reasserting its claim to sovereignty over the islands. It would have been more surprising if there had been no reaction at all. There are bigger incidents between Spain and Gibraltar that never even get reported outside the region. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::fair enough, I'll withdraw this then - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
::fair enough, I'll withdraw this then - [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 11:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' This new escalation in this conflict will run and run. The above three characterisations of it are frankly way off the mark, and don't really demonstrate any knowledge of the background to what has triggered the current dispute, which has no serious solution without one of the parties losing out big time. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 12:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:On an aside, you could have made that point without inferring we don't know what we're talking about. [[User:HonouraryMix|HonouraryMix]] ([[User talk:HonouraryMix|talk]]) 13:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC) |
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February 17
- 500,000 residents of Mexico City have been vaccinated against the A/H1N1 flu. (Xinhuanet)
- Four people are charged in connection with the Santika Club fire in Thailand on December 31, 2008. (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link]
- The body of fallen luger Nodar Kumaritashvili returns to his hometown of Bakuriani, Georgia, for burial. (BBC) (ESPN)
- Guam Governor Felix Perez Camacho issues an executive order changing the name of Guam to Guahan in government documents and signage and calls for unification with the Northern Mariana Islands. (Pacific Daily News)[permanent dead link] (Pacific Daily News)[permanent dead link] (Saipan Tribune)
- At least 22 people are killed in a bus crash in Northern India. (ABC) (BBC)
- It emerges that fake Irish passports used by suspects in the assassination of a senior Hamas military commander in Dubai had valid numbers with mismatched identities, with the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs embarking on an urgent mission to track the three genuine passport holders with these numbers. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times)
- Police in Kenya free five suspects held in connection with organising a gay wedding in a Mtwapa hotel. (BBC)
- Services from the UK, France, Germany and the Netherlands remain disrupted as investigations continue into the Halle train collision in Belgium.(BBC)
- The Supreme Administrative Court of Ukraine suspends the decision of the Electoral Commission to declare Viktor Yanukovych the winner of the Ukrainian presidential election until the court has decided on the complaints brought by the other candidate, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. (La Libre Belgique)
- The UK branch of publishing company Reader's Digest files for administration. (BBC) (Sky News)
- Walgreen Co. announces that it is buying Duane Reade Holdings Inc., operator of a chain of 257 drugstores in the New York City area, for about $1.08 billion including assumption of debt. (Marketwatch)
- Five southern Africans, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, have their genomes analysed by scientists and published in Nature, with Tutu excited to discover he is "related to the San people, the first people to inhabit Southern Africa". (BBC)
- Rwanda, the East African country that is embracing a transition to a Green economy, will be the global host of World Environment Day on 5 June 2010. (UNEP)
ITN candidates for February 17
Argentina Falklands claim
(The Times)Argentina has claimed rights to control all shipping heading for the Falkland Islands, almost certainly in an attempt to stop a British drilling rig from entering the area to drill for oil. Article probably at Argentina – United Kingdom relations which needs expansion. Maybe worth waiting to see what they actually do when the rig arrives later today - Dumelow (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, unless this all degenerates rapidly. Argentina has long done loads of things to make life difficult for the British in the area, without referring to the obvious Falklands War. Flights have been restricted, Argentinian fishing vessels have strayed into Falklands territorial waters to do work there etc. Unless there is some kind of conflict over this, it doesn't seem too much out of the ordinary to be put on the main page. HonouraryMix (talk) 11:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose unless the becomes something major. Argentina likes to rattle their sabres every so often on the Falklands issue, without actually wanting the Royal Navy to come calling again; I suspect this is one of those times. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose This is really very minor, simply Argentina reasserting its claim to sovereignty over the islands. It would have been more surprising if there had been no reaction at all. There are bigger incidents between Spain and Gibraltar that never even get reported outside the region. Physchim62 (talk) 11:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
February 16
- Assassination of a senior Hamas military commander in Dubai:
- Dubai police release the passport photographs of 11 “Europeans” suspected of the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. (BBC)
- It emerges those suspected used fake British and Irish passports with Dublin saying it did not issue passports under their names, there is no evidence of their names on official Irish records and the counterfeits contain passport numbers with incorrect combinations of letters and digits. (The Daily Telegraph)
- Pope Benedict XVI issues a statement after a two-day meeting with all Irish bishops in the Vatican, including labelling paedophilia a "heinous crime", but his nuncio refuses to appear before an inquiry in Dáil Éireann. (RTÉ) (The Guardian) (The Times)
- The Queen Mary 2 arrives at the Port of Shanghai, making her first port call in China since her maiden voyage in 2004. (Xinhuanet)
- Queen Rania of Jordan meets with CEOs of mobile operators from around the world in Barcelona on Monday to rally support for the 1GOAL global education campaign. (Jordantimes)
- Libya detains Irish nationals at its airport in Tripoli due to the escalation of a dispute between it and Switzerland which has led Libya to refuse anyone from the Schengen area, despite Ireland not being a member. (The Irish Times)
- EMI places its Abbey Road Studios in St John's Wood, London, up for sale in an attempt to ease the debt burden created by Terra Firma Capital Partners' leveraged buyout of the company. (Financial Times)
ITN candidates for February 16
Tutankhamun
BBC. Tut may not have been murdered. malaria killed him. (i know its a may but please remember this is a historical topic that will always be a may). This is quite a big news in the history department. -- Ashish-g55 03:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. The results appear today in the Journal of the American Medical Association [1]. Physchim62 (talk) 10:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- According to BBC, this is also "the oldest mummified genetic proof for malaria in ancient populations". Anyway, Tutankhamun is an interesting topic worldwide, so I think I'd support this. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 11:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- What about his leg and foot? The malaria was only part of it. Simply south (talk) 13:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Pope Benedict XVI
I know this has been reported everywhere from Al Jazeera to the BBC over the past few days but (apart from the Pope's "heinous crime" comments) I noticed some parts which might be considered significant so I thought I would nominate it. There are two lines from today's RTÉ coverage which caught my eye: "Last night, the bishops stayed in Vatican accommodation that is reserved for Cardinals when they are electing a new Pope" and "It is the first such Pastoral to be devoted exclusively to child abuse by priests and religious". Is there any support for including something from this summit as it seems unusual (in my opinion)? --candle•wicke 21:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- If Benny were to sack Bishop Drennan (Irish bishop accused of covering up child-abusing priests, who refuses to resign of his own accord) then I would support, but that's not going to happen in the proverbial month of Sundays. As it is, I think I'm going to have to give it the same treatment we reserve for political speeches, as I feel that that's what this is. Oppose. Physchim62 (talk) 21:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- You might be interested in this analysis. That picture is on the front of all the newspapers, it's a shame they don't have it online. --candle•wicke 21:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I think this event is just a talkfest; nothing will happen YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 23:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I have to concur. If/when actual action is taken, re-evaluate, but right now I have to oppose as a glorified speech. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 06:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Silda camp attack
A Naxalite attack on an army camp in West Bengal kills 24 Indian soldiers, with many more reported missing.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:12, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- (New York Times). The attack occurred yesterday on a camp of the Eastern Frontier Rifles and was made by more than 100 Naxalites armed with rifles and mortars. In addition to the 24 dead paramilitary police officers four Naxalites are believed to have been killed. This seems significant, support once a decent article is available - Dumelow (talk) 18:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Significant in size. The Indian insurgency movements rarely receive international coverage and most people are oblivious to their even existing. This item would seem to be important enough to be featured on ITN, and should. __meco (talk) 00:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Yes indeed a large attack, veterans may rewrite it to be posted on the ITN.--yousaf465' 04:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- The issues with the article now are very minor. It could be restructured somewhat and tightened up a bit, but in large it is quite presentable now. __meco (talk) 09:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Except that paragraph one is essentially copied word-for-word from here, first half of para 2 from here, the entire rest of the article is presented as direct quotes of sections of news stories. This is not ready for the main page - Dumelow (talk) 10:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
- Scientists working at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) announced that they had made the first observations of symmetry transformations, and that their observations may suggest that "bubbles" formed in the aftermath of the collisions created in the RHIC may not obey mirror symmetry. The experiments produced temperatures in excess of "7.2 trillion degrees", in what is described as an attempt to recreate the conditions which existed during the birth of the Universe.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 08:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm always happy with science news. But, we need to be careful. Have the results been published in a peer-reviewed journal yet? At the moment, I see too many may-s in the story, better wait. --Tone 09:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose until the news item is referenced with something better than a rehash of a press release on a site called "Science a Go Go". I looked in Physical Review Letters (which comes out on Fridays) but couldn't find the original article. Physchim62 (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. No refereed article provided, no indication of why this is a significant breakthrough (I'm a physicist and I'm nonplussed by this), and saying it disagrees with a theory which currently has no observational evidence anyway is just plain weird. Modest Genius talk 17:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- According to the NYT (and Useless Today - or USA Today for those of you who like them) it has been published:
The Brookhaven scientists and their colleagues discussed their latest results from RHIC in talks and a news conference at a meeting of the American Physical Society Monday in Washington, and in a pair of papers submitted to Physical Review Letters. “This is a view of what the world was like at 2 microseconds,” said Jack Sandweiss of Yale, a member of the Brookhaven team, calling it, “a seething cauldron.”
In Brookhaven Collider, Scientists Briefly Break a Law of Nature — New York Times
*shrug*— V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 18:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- That merely says the articles have been "submitted", which is not the same thing as being published. In fact, if they've only been submitted, Brookhaven are being a bit naughty in issuing the press release. Still, it's Brookhaven, they'll get away with it... won't do for ITN though. Physchim62 (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Capture of Abdul Ghani Baradar
(BBC). This guy has been described as the top Taliban military commander for Afghanistan. He was captured in Karachi seven to nine days ago but the US have just announced it (Pakistan have not yet confirmed it). Article needs some work - Dumelow (talk) 11:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support: Prize catch! First major blow to Taliban since death of Baitullah Mehsud. --GPPande 12:12, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Headline Sugesstion
Abdul Ghani Baradar is captured by American and Pakistani forces in a covert operation in Karachi, Afghanistan. --Thanks, Hadseys 12:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. I support
- Karachi is in Pakistan. Also I thought he had been captured by intelligence services (ie. ISI and CIA)? - Dumelow (talk) 12:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Also why do we require two articles - one about the terrorist & another of his capture. Better merge. --GPPande 12:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Noting that I have speedy deleted Capture of Abdul Ghani Baradar as a copyvio, I also agree that two articles are unnecessary. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Also why do we require two articles - one about the terrorist & another of his capture. Better merge. --GPPande 12:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted Pakistan. -- tariqabjotu 16:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Remove Until we don't have a confirmation, we can't act on rumors only. According to news report he was killed way back in 2007 too, so wait until , he confirmed as captured, instead of being killed again in 2011.--yousaf465' 04:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Add to WP:ITN/R to fill the (virtual) gap left by Chemical Ali's repeated death sentences? Physchim62 (talk) 10:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
February 15
- An appreciation of the Chinese yuan will help US economic growth but it will not solve problems in its own economy, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) chief economist said Monday. (China Daily)[permanent dead link]
- The opposition Anguilla United Movement, led by former Chief Minister Hubert Hughes, wins a majority of seats in the 2010 general election, defeating the governing Anguilla United Front. (Anguilla News)
- Aid flights arrive on the island of Aitutaki, Cook Islands, where 90% of structures were damaged or destroyed by Cyclone Pat last week. (RNZI)
- Somalia's state minister for defence Yusuf Mohammed Siad survives an attempt on his life from a suicide bomber in Mogadishu. (BBC)
- A Naxalite attack on an army camp in West Bengal kills 24 Indian soldiers, with many more reported missing. (Hindustan Times)
- Kenya's Prime Minister Raila Odinga accuses the President Mwai Kibaki of "overstepping" his powers after the latter re-appointed two ministers sacked by Odinga over a corruption scandal. (Kenya Broadcasting Corporation)[permanent dead link] (BBC) (AP)
- The United Nations Special Envoy to Myanmar, Tomas Quintana, arrives in the country on the first day of a five day visit to assess the progress on human rights. (Al Jazeera) (Global Times) (BBC)
- Halle train collision: 20 people die in a train collision in Halle, Belgium. (BBC) (Flanders News) (WSJ)
- Pope Benedict XVI begins a two-day meeting with all 24 Irish Roman Catholic bishops to discuss child abuse in a "quite unprecedented" move. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (RTÉ)
- Five men are imprisoned for up to 28 years, after being convicted over the 2005 Sydney terrorism plot. (BBC) (ninemsn)
- Cyclone Rene hammers Tonga with gusts of 160 kilometres an hour, isolating Tongans for several days. Widespread damage is reported in the capital, Nukuʻalofa, and contact is lost with the northern island of Vavaʻu. (TVNZ) (The New Zealand Herald)
- A joint NATO and Afghan military operation is succeeding in pushing Taliban fighters from their strongholds in Helmand province. (BBC)
- 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver:
- Dario Cologna secures Switzerland's first ever Olympic cross-country gold medal and Norway delivers its poorest ever cross-country Olympic performance in the men's 15km freestyle cross-country competition (AFP) (AP)
ITN candidates for February 15
Cyclone Rene and/or Cyclone Pat
- 2009–10 South Pacific cyclone season - Two separate cyclones have recently devestated parts of the Pacific in the past few days - Cyclone Pat in Aitutaki, Cook Islands, and American Samoa's Manu'a Islands; & Cyclone Rene, which has caused heavy damage in northern and central Tonga. One or both could be featured in ITN, as coverage of the stories has so far been sparse. Scanlan (talk) 04:12, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Libya-Switzerland diplomatic row
- This has been a bit of an ongoing row over the Swiss arrest of Gaddafi's son, but it has spread now, with the Libyans not issuing visas to any country that is part of the Schengen Agreement. Anyone else think this is notable? --Daviessimo (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- That seems like a fairly extreme response, and sounds notable to me. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Reading the section, all of the info happened last year...I'm not sure why this is notable now. Could you clarify? SpencerT♦Nominate! 23:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article isn't updated. Libya only just today announced that they are suspending visas for Schengen members. But this doesn't have to (directly) do with the arrest of Gaddafi's son; it has to do with some list of Libyan government officials Switzerland banned from entering the country. -- tariqabjotu 23:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've updated both Libya–Switzerland relations and Foreign relations of Libya, with the ban. My inclination would be to use the latter article (Foreign relations...) as this visa ban affects 25 different countries. Suggested blurb:
- Libya stops issuing visas to citizens of 25 countries in the Schengen area, following the blacklisting of 188 high ranking Libyan officials by Switzerland --Daviessimo (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Should probably be the 25 countries in the Schengen area, even if we will get some moans about the European microstates. Support. Physchim62 (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Libya stops issuing visas to citizens of 25 countries in the Schengen area, following the blacklisting of 188 high ranking Libyan officials by Switzerland --Daviessimo (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've updated both Libya–Switzerland relations and Foreign relations of Libya, with the ban. My inclination would be to use the latter article (Foreign relations...) as this visa ban affects 25 different countries. Suggested blurb:
- Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article isn't updated. Libya only just today announced that they are suspending visas for Schengen members. But this doesn't have to (directly) do with the arrest of Gaddafi's son; it has to do with some list of Libyan government officials Switzerland banned from entering the country. -- tariqabjotu 23:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Reading the section, all of the info happened last year...I'm not sure why this is notable now. Could you clarify? SpencerT♦Nominate! 23:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
2005 Sydney terrorism plot, 5 Sentenced
- Convicted and sentenced for terrorism conspiracy after "longest terror trial in Australian History" (BBC), (ninemsn) 220.101.28.25 (talk) 09:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose: A frequent event across globe in many countries. --GPPande 15:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Where they actually convicted and given a sentence today/yesterday or just locked up. The reason I ask is the article seems to suggest that court case finished in October last year --Daviessimo (talk) 15:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - this isn't very frequent unless you watch the never-ending coverage given to terror fearmongering on American news broadcasts. ;) But seriously now: this is certainly important enough to be featured on ITN, but please don't post until the article has been improved and the tag removed. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 16:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support as per Ed. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Question: Is there a chance of more appeals, or are these sentences final? SpencerT♦Nominate! 23:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Slight Oppose as we did not put any of the results from the Canadian terrorism trials on itn. --PlasmaTwa2 23:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 00:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The article was already featured on ITN in October 2009. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Terrorism is just not that important, whatever some governments would like us to believe. Certainly not important enough for a second ITN posting. Physchim62 (talk) 10:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
2010 Halle train collision
Probably best to keep an eye on this - reports are saying up to 20 dead, but as of yet unsubstantiated --Daviessimo (talk) 09:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Creating a starter stub... Tentative support when more is known. --Tone 09:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article is more or less ready. Two trains collide near Halle, Belgium, killing and injuring several people and disrupt high speed rail services. --Tone 12:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd possibly put "causing widespread disruption to high speed rail services", as the impacts are being felt in France, the Netherlands and Germany as well --Daviessimo (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article is more or less ready. Two trains collide near Halle, Belgium, killing and injuring several people and disrupt high speed rail services. --Tone 12:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Agree. I'd like to see some more support before this goes up. --Tone 12:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Seems to be big. Article of agreeable length. — Cargoking talk 13:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks good to me. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 13:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted. Feel free to alter the blurb when more details are known. --Tone 13:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose and take down. How is this of any international interest or significance? Replace "Halle, Belgium" with "Topeka, Kansas", and this would have gone down in flames. There is absolutely no reason to post a train wreck after only two supports. This should be taken down, and discussed at much more length before being reposted. Scottaka UnitAnode 14:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I make it three supports + the nom. You;re taking this bias thing to an extreme. The exact location is irrelevant- it's the impact of the incident and its effect. If a similar incident happened in Kansas, I'd support that and I expect it would be posted. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 14:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it is so biased here at ITN that we never post any rail incidents about the US. Nope never ever --Daviessimo (talk) 14:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I make it three supports + the nom. You;re taking this bias thing to an extreme. The exact location is irrelevant- it's the impact of the incident and its effect. If a similar incident happened in Kansas, I'd support that and I expect it would be posted. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 14:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- A quick look at major news websites outside the region of influence (like CNN or al-Jazeera) indicates that it's of international interest, even if it has little effect outside Belgium or surrounding countries. -- tariqabjotu 15:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The irony is of course, that not only does this have huge international interest (as Tariq points out above), but it also has international significance because high speed rail services in Germany, France, Holland and the UK have all been affected in some way --Daviessimo (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Meh, another transportation accident. Certainly getting news coverage. Anyway, Neutral but not opposed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support, as Daviessimo says - this has affected trains in other countries. --candle•wicke 18:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be hard for even a small accident not to affect other countries in Belgium.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand. How many countries are in Belgium? --candle•wicke 18:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry poorly worded. I'd be hard for a small accident in Belgium not to affect other countries.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, they do speak three different languages in the country and given certain internal pressures it could be conceivable that there is actually more than one country in Belgium :) --Daviessimo (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well it seems to be the top story in other countries, Ireland and the UK for example. And, regarding Ireland, it has been above all the bishops meeting the Pope about child abuse. Don't know what the major UK event of the day is, possibly that lottery win. On other continents, CNN, CBC, India, New Zealand. --candle•wicke 18:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, they do speak three different languages in the country and given certain internal pressures it could be conceivable that there is actually more than one country in Belgium :) --Daviessimo (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry poorly worded. I'd be hard for a small accident in Belgium not to affect other countries.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand. How many countries are in Belgium? --candle•wicke 18:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be hard for even a small accident not to affect other countries in Belgium.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support, as Daviessimo says - this has affected trains in other countries. --candle•wicke 18:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Meh, another transportation accident. Certainly getting news coverage. Anyway, Neutral but not opposed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The irony is of course, that not only does this have huge international interest (as Tariq points out above), but it also has international significance because high speed rail services in Germany, France, Holland and the UK have all been affected in some way --Daviessimo (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Support. While the reasoning that this is an "international" event is merely a reflection of the fact that Europe is divided into small countries, I think this is of interest to a lot of readers since we have a lot of users from Western Europe and it's close to the UK and Ireland. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- The reasoning also included several non-European countries - Canada, India, Japan, New Zealand, for example. But you're right about it having to do with where the accident took place, just look at the difference between the media coverage of this and the transport deaths in Nigeria... ;-( --candle•wicke 22:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Train drivers now on strike. --candle•wicke 22:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Caen evacation
- France’s city of Caen evacuates 20,000 people to defuse World War II Bomb. Links: MSNBC AOL BBCBusinessweek - TouLouse (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Such events are not uncommon in northern France. 20,000 people is more than usual, but there are several smaller operations each year. Physchim62 (talk) 10:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Basketball attendance record
- A crowd of 108,713 people, the largest ever for a basketball game, attends the 2010 NBA All-Star Game in Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
- All-star games aren't ITN items normally, but I think this is significant for the attendance record. (The previous record was 78,000 or 80,000.) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is at most a glorified pick-up game, although the attendance record is for any level of the sport: high school, college, amateur, professional, national team, World Championship, Olympics, pick-up games, any level. –Howard the Duck 07:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Is the game of any significance other than crowd count? --GPPande 15:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, a similar nomination involving rugby union was rejected last year and what's the difference between basketball and rugby union? --candle•wicke 18:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I can remember, that event was on a international rugby match, on the semifinal stage, played by teams from the same country, in a stadium that was used large enough to accomodate the people concerned, and the record was for a club rugby match. I'd say this achivement is harder to do, since that match was for a place in a final, and this one is, what I've said, a glorified pick-up game. –Howard the Duck 07:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, a similar nomination involving rugby union was rejected last year and what's the difference between basketball and rugby union? --candle•wicke 18:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- All-star games aren't ITN items normally, but I think this is significant for the attendance record. (The previous record was 78,000 or 80,000.) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed; nothing but a glorified exhibition, getting an attendance record in this arena (by the largest ever to hold this competition) was a fait accompli as soon as the venue was announced. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
2010 Daytona 500
- In auto racing, Jamie McMurray wins the 2010 Daytona 500.[2] Richard (talk) 00:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- What is this and is it important? I can't see it on WP:ITNR but I suppose it could be added if that is desired. Or is McMurray the reason for this being important? --candle•wicke 00:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Read the article, Candlewicke, read the article. It is the most important race in NASCAR, sort of like the Super Bowl, except nowhere near as popular, at the beginning of the season, and having only minor effect on who wins the championship (so, not like the Super Bowl at all). It's prestigious in NASCAR, but not prestigious in auto racing overall, insofar as I can tell. I assume if it was omitted from ITNR, there was a reason. -- tariqabjotu 01:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Daytona 500 is huge. Everybody knows that. It kicks the Minor Olympics Ass, as the septics would say. It is also more important than any of the dirge that has somehow made its way onto the front page in the last few hours. MickMacNee (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC) With apologies to the Americas Cup, which is of course a fine event. MickMacNee (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Please refrain from referring to Americans as "septics." I'm familiar with the rhyming slang with which the expression originates, and the connotation is rather uncivil (as one would assume from the word itself). —David Levy 01:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is an affectionate term, much like limey etc. MickMacNee (talk) 01:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- It also is used in a derogatory context, and I assure you that not all Americans regard a comparison with a septic tank as "affectionate." It isn't exactly comparable to an association with citrus fruits. —David Levy 02:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've never met an American yet who didn't take it in the good humour it is always intended in. Maybe its just the company I keep. MickMacNee (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- More likely, it's because you consistently use the term affectionately. Not everyone does. —David Levy 02:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've never met an American yet who didn't take it in the good humour it is always intended in. Maybe its just the company I keep. MickMacNee (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- It also is used in a derogatory context, and I assure you that not all Americans regard a comparison with a septic tank as "affectionate." It isn't exactly comparable to an association with citrus fruits. —David Levy 02:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is an affectionate term, much like limey etc. MickMacNee (talk) 01:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)I'll support in principle, but in practice, the article desperately lacks refs. Obviously if/when that's addressed, you can consider this a full support. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 02:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose as it is now. Upon improvement of the article I'll reconsider. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. As per Tariqabjotu. It's big in the US but not elsewhere. And honestly, if you look at the US press, it's not being covered that prominently. Pretty much everywhere I've checked the Olympics and the NBA All-star game are higher-profile events.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. While I know ITN decisions are not precedential, the fact that we have three open-wheel races to me indicates we ought to have the most important stock-car race. I know NASCAR isn't followed everywhere, but it has quite a passionate following among a whole lot of people. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose - this is one race, in one series of motorsport. The Indy 500, Monaco GP and Le Mans are posted because they form part of the triple crown, which are the three most prestigious individual races. Also, if we post a stock car event, why not a touring car event, why not a Rallying event, or why not a Rallycross event, all or which are more popular forms of motorsport than NASCAR in the international arena --Daviessimo (talk) 08:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. While I know ITN decisions are not precedential, the fact that we have three open-wheel races to me indicates we ought to have the most important stock-car race. I know NASCAR isn't followed everywhere, but it has quite a passionate following among a whole lot of people. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. As per Tariqabjotu. It's big in the US but not elsewhere. And honestly, if you look at the US press, it's not being covered that prominently. Pretty much everywhere I've checked the Olympics and the NBA All-star game are higher-profile events.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose as it is now. Upon improvement of the article I'll reconsider. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Please refrain from referring to Americans as "septics." I'm familiar with the rhyming slang with which the expression originates, and the connotation is rather uncivil (as one would assume from the word itself). —David Levy 01:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. It's utter nonsense that a train crash in Belgium sails through, but the result of the most important race in the most popular racing series in the US is stonewalled, because "it's big in the US but not elsewhere." I only poke my head in here from time to time, to see if any of this BS bias has changed. It apparently has not. Scottaka UnitAnode 15:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Can you not see the hypocrisy in what you are stating. You're quite clearly advocating putting up an item with no real international interest or significance yet at the same time moaning about the inclusion of another item, which you claim suffers from exactly the same problem? --Daviessimo (talk) 15:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Actually, the biggest problem is not its location, as you'd like to believe, but the quality of the article. The reason this discussion has stagnated is that nobody has bothered to add more references. Perhaps you'd care to add some or do we have to put an almost totally unreferenced article on the Main Page to counter some imaginary bias? Note that the America's Cup sailed trough (sorry, couldn't resist) yesterday... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- If I was convinced that adding references would see it posted, I would do so. However, my experience here tells me that it would not. Even if the article were FA status, most of the above opposers would not be swayed. Scottaka UnitAnode 15:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- In other words, you aren't interested in improving the article for the sake of having a better article.
- For the record, I would support its inclusion if it were in decent shape. Until such time, I oppose. —David Levy 15:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- That's not my point. My point is that if I were convinced that were the only reason people were opposing, I'd go improve it myself. But I don't edit NASCAR-related articles much, so why would I put an hour or two into researching it for the ITN crowd, when the Tariqs and Daviessimos are going to knee-jerk oppose it anyway? There should just be a standard template with an output of "Oppose, too American." Scottaka UnitAnode 15:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Have you even read my comment? I clearly explain that only the 3 races that consist the triple crown go up, because they are globally accepted as the three most prestigious individual races (I suppose the fact that only one is a US based race illustrates further anti-American bias). I ask a simple question, why does Daytona deserve to go up, ahead of other motorsport events, whether they be the World Touring Car Championship, World Rally Championship or Moto GP. After all, it is only one race in one championship. Simple arguing, "oh its big in America" is not in my mind a valid argument. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- That's not my point. My point is that if I were convinced that were the only reason people were opposing, I'd go improve it myself. But I don't edit NASCAR-related articles much, so why would I put an hour or two into researching it for the ITN crowd, when the Tariqs and Daviessimos are going to knee-jerk oppose it anyway? There should just be a standard template with an output of "Oppose, too American." Scottaka UnitAnode 15:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- (EC)Well first of all you could find sources that show media across the globe have an interest in it. I've had a look on the BBC, Le Monde and Al Jazeera and can find no mention of it at all (all of these sources and many more have the Belgian train crash as the top story). That for me suggests there is virtually no interest in it outside of the US. Simply complaining that because others oppose it, that there is some form of 'anti-American conspiracy' is silly and quite frankly very tiring. It seems that anyone who opposes the inclusion of an American item, whilst at the same time supporting a non American item is automatically branded as an 'America-hating-Europe/Africa/Asia-loving-biased-loony'. --Daviessimo (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed, and the same wild accusations often are hurled when someone supports the inclusion of an American item and opposes the inclusion of a non-American item. I wish that we could move past this nonsense.
- In this case, I believe that the event qualifies because it's the "most prestigious race" in the Sprint Cup Series, which is "the de facto premier series of stock car racing." We have longstanding agreement to include the premier competitions of all major sports (including those confined primarily to a single nation, though this one apparently is popular in five), provided that the requisite article creation/update has occurred (which it hasn't in this instance). —David Levy 16:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with you that we need to move away from this mud slinging that goes on repeatedly and I admit that in the past I have sometimes been involved, but nowadays I try and be a subjective as possible (hence the reasoning of my argument). Now, in response I would say I'm not opposed to a NASCAR item being listed, as long as we extend the same rules to rallying, touring cars, and motorcycle racing and allow these items to be included on the main page also. However, within these forms of motorsport the priority for a driver or team is winning the championship, as opposed to one race and instead of a single race listing we would be better posting the drivers champion. I don't know enough about NASCAR to comment on which is bigger for the driver - winning Daytona or winning the champioship, but I feel only one should be listed --Daviessimo (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree 100% that every major sport (motor or otherwise) should receive equivalent treatment, irrespective of where in the world it's popular. And you're quite right that what constitutes "equivalent treatment" must be determined on a case-by-case basis. For example, the FIFA World Cup is the premier competition of association football, but we also include annual association football competitions that are comparable in prestige to other sports' premier competitions. —David Levy 16:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with you that we need to move away from this mud slinging that goes on repeatedly and I admit that in the past I have sometimes been involved, but nowadays I try and be a subjective as possible (hence the reasoning of my argument). Now, in response I would say I'm not opposed to a NASCAR item being listed, as long as we extend the same rules to rallying, touring cars, and motorcycle racing and allow these items to be included on the main page also. However, within these forms of motorsport the priority for a driver or team is winning the championship, as opposed to one race and instead of a single race listing we would be better posting the drivers champion. I don't know enough about NASCAR to comment on which is bigger for the driver - winning Daytona or winning the champioship, but I feel only one should be listed --Daviessimo (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- If I was convinced that adding references would see it posted, I would do so. However, my experience here tells me that it would not. Even if the article were FA status, most of the above opposers would not be swayed. Scottaka UnitAnode 15:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article needs references and some expanding, otherwise I would support. @Davessimo, probably the championship, but not by much. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 16:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- After all this discussion there's still only one reference in the article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, and while I know nothing about auto racing, I was able to put seven more references into the article. (But I'm too ignorant of the sport to try and re-vamp the prose) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- After all this discussion there's still only one reference in the article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose the skill level of the the drivers is lower than in a few other motorsport categories. Yes, driving around in a velodrome....the likes of JP Montoya aside YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 00:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Your opinion of the sport's quality is entirely irrelevant. —David Levy 00:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not to mention, totally wrong. MickMacNee (talk) 12:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well... if their skill level is lower... maybe it does say something about the quality of the sport compared to other events? --candle•wicke 22:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- What does it matter now? The nomination is now in the tar pit, any reply detailing the deficiencies of Yellowmonkey's opposition rationale would be a waste of time. MickMacNee (talk) 23:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict.) This debate shows the pointlessness of trying to compare different sports. How can you judge the comparative skill levels of people in two completely different types of event? It's like trying to say whether rugby or American football players are better. And does skill level really determine whether a sporting event is "big" or not? The Pro Bowl undoubtedly has a higher average skill level than does the Super Bowl, because the Pro Bowl players are theoretically the best in the league at their positions, but most fans consider the Pro Bowl a joke. The United Football League probably has a higher average skill level than does Big Ten football, yet the Big Ten plays to six-figure crowds and large television audiences while the United Football League gets tiny crowds and TV viewership. The way to determine the importance of a sporting event is by asking how many people care about it and how much they care about it. In 2004, a Gallup poll of American adults found 30 percent called themselves auto-racing fans, below pro and college football, MLB, figure skating and college and pro basketball but ahead of golf, tennis, hockey and WWE. (NASCAR is by far the most popular circuit among American racing fans.) And some of those NASCAR fans have insane passion for it -- when Dale Earnhart Sr. died, people were stealing Coke machines with his picture on them and hanging out flags at half-staff. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- What does it matter now? The nomination is now in the tar pit, any reply detailing the deficiencies of Yellowmonkey's opposition rationale would be a waste of time. MickMacNee (talk) 23:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well... if their skill level is lower... maybe it does say something about the quality of the sport compared to other events? --candle•wicke 22:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- support. but only if this is made an ITNR item and the only NASCAR item. there should not be another similar debate for daytona 500 or attempts to get other nascar races like pepsi 400 up by saying those are more popular than this one... -- Ashish-g55 23:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well a decision needs to be made soon, because otherwise it will be made by default (i.e. the Daytona result won't go up so we'll be left with the champion at the end of the season). Personally I favour the champion because an individual race result is likely to be more problematic and controversial and realistically we already post the three race results that are considered most prestigious. I'll add the items tentatively to ITNR in the meantime. @Mwalcoff, the perception that the skill level in NASCAR is lower is more than likely due to the fact that to non fans, the common perception is the only thing that happens is that the cars crash a lot (there' even an article on Nascar crashes! :) --Daviessimo (talk) 08:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Misfired rockets kill civilians
- Sky News: "The head of the international force in Afghanistan has apologised after 12 Afghan civilians were killed by two stray rockets during Operation Moshtarak". BBC: "President Hamid Karzai has called for an investigation into the civilian deaths. [...] The use of the the rocket system involved has been suspended pending a review". This event "happened less than 24 hours after [Karzai] warned troops to take all precautions to protect residents of the region". This is apparently "very damaging" (Frank Gardner: BBC) for the reputation of this campaign. --candle•wicke 00:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Does anyone care about these people? --candle•wicke 03:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral - The event itself is not that notable (unfortunately), however, given the high intensity coverage of this operation this is likely to be more heavily scrutinised. Any thoughts where the updates would go? --Daviessimo (talk) 08:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support butwe can merge with the news item about the operation itself, by rewording it.--yousaf465' 09:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support combining with current blurb. Good suggestion. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well? --candle•wicke 18:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Blurb perhaps? Either way, considering more civilians were killed in the operation today, what can we be expected to say? Civilians are killed in a military operation? Doesn't sound particularly unusual, unfortunately. -- tariqabjotu 16:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well? --candle•wicke 18:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral - The event itself is not that notable (unfortunately), however, given the high intensity coverage of this operation this is likely to be more heavily scrutinised. Any thoughts where the updates would go? --Daviessimo (talk) 08:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Doug Fieger
- This is probably going nowhere but he's the person who co-wrote and sang "My Sharona". --candle•wicke 00:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Reuters: "Rolling Stone magazine referred to the band as "the new fab four," a reference to the Beatles". --candle•wicke 01:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- If nothing else, that bloody song is now playing on a loop in my head. MickMacNee (talk) 01:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
February 14
- NATO admits it killed 12 civilians when two misfired rockets hit a house in Marjah, Helmand. President Hamid Karzai calls for an explanation. (BBC) (news.com.au) (Reuters)
- Viva Leroy Nash, the oldest death row inmate in the United States, dies of natural causes at the age of 94. (BBC) (The New Zealand Herald) (Taipei News)
- Thousands of people collect in Beirut on the fifth anniversary of the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafic Hariri in a bombing alongside 21 other people, with his son and current Prime Minister Saad Hariri addressing the crowd. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (The Irish Times) (CBC) (The Independent)
- Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki undoes the suspensions for fraud of the agriculture and education ministers handed out by his Prime Minister. (BBC)
- BMW Oracle win the 33rd America's Cup becoming the first American team to win since 1992. (BBC) (TVNZ) saling.org/wordcup/news
- Rafiq Husseini, a top aide of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, is suspended following involvement in an alleged attempt to trade influence for sex. (MSNBC) (The Jerusalem Post)(The Guardian)
- Cyclone Rene heads for Tonga and Niue after brushing American Samoa. (The New Zealand Herald) (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- Nine Irish Roman Catholic bishops and Cardinal Seán Brady arrive in Rome to discuss the Murphy Report and Ryan Report into the Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Ireland with Pope Benedict XVI, the first such meetings there in eight years. (RTÉ) (Reuters) (Gulf Times) (The Irish Times)
- Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani condemns the bomb blast in Pune, India, one day earlier, saying Pakistan is against terrorism and that his country wants better relations with India. (The Hindu)
- Iran detains five more members of the Baháʼí minority, in addition to Baháʼí leaders jailed since 2008, for alleged involvement in protests against the regime. (The Jerusalem Post)
- The death toll from yesterday's double bus electrocution in Port Harcourt rises to as much as 40, with more than 30 injured. (THISDAY) (The Punch) (Press TV) (The New York Times)
- Viktor Yanukovych is officially named winner of the Ukraine presidential election. (RIA) (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) (AP) (AFP)
- 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver:
- Alexandre Bilodeau scores first place in the men's freestyle skiing moguls, winning Canada's first ever Olympic gold medal on home soil. (BBC)
ITN candidates for February 14
America's Cup
This is in WP:ITN/Recurring but the article still needs to be updated Nil Einne (talk) 18:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- If America's Cup is to be the target article, it will need some serious work on it- the coverage of the 2010 event is currently 2 lines and the article is tagged with {{refimprove}}. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Surely it will be 2010 America's Cup, which looks pretty decent actually --Daviessimo (talk) 18:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed it does. I have no strong opinion either way on the nom, though I'd like to see the refs properly formatted in the article- there are a number of bare URLs. Other than that, the article looks pretty good. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- ITNR, so support. Article looks adequate.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed it does. I have no strong opinion either way on the nom, though I'd like to see the refs properly formatted in the article- there are a number of bare URLs. Other than that, the article looks pretty good. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Surely it will be 2010 America's Cup, which looks pretty decent actually --Daviessimo (talk) 18:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- The vast majority of references are still bare URLs- no accessdates, authors, publication dates, titles, publishers etc. I know it seems like nitpicking, but if it's to go on the Main Page, I feel this should be addressed. This is my only objection to the nom. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- If America's Cup is to be the target article, it will need some serious work on it- the coverage of the 2010 event is currently 2 lines and the article is tagged with {{refimprove}}. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 18:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, on ITNR, decent looking article. Sure the references could be formatted better, but there's loads of them and I don't think that's enough of a problem to prevent it going up. Modest Genius talk 23:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted I think I got it right. The lead of the article is very difficult to follow. -- tariqabjotu 00:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not opposing, as it's ITNR, but is the America's Cup that big a deal nowadays? An American boat won it, and it's getting almost zero coverage in the US (e.g. not a single mention at the ESPN main page. I know it was a large sensation back in the 80s when a non-US team won it for the first time but is it really that big now? From a US perspective, it certainly seems like the Daytona 500 or the NBA All-Star Game are bigger events; and the NBA All-star game is surely bigger globally.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Concur with Johsemlak. This is an ITN-worthy event when there is an initial regatta to determine which boat races against the Cup-holder. This year's event was hardly covered in the mainstream media, as far as I can see. -- Flyguy649 talk 03:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure it could always be removed from ITNR and the Main Page if there is new evidence that it is not important enough. --candle•wicke 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with previous comments that the America's Cup was a big deal in the '80s but does anyone really follow it anymore? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I don't suggest we remove it without getting some more input. The America's Cup is certainly a very notable event, being the oldest trophy in modern sport, according to our article. It certainly is the world's premier sailing event, and it does have a global profile. Not many sporting events inspire heads of state to encourage workers to show up late for work. It just seems like now the's a very small amount of global interest in this.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC have covered it and it is currently the top item on the 'other sports' section (that is all sports other than those big in the UK like football, cricket, rugby, golf, F1 etc etc), ahead of NASCAR and basketball (neither of which are not mentioned at all). Sailing is a global pastime and sport, so I personally think it should remain on ITNR. I also think its worth pointing out that the Olympics seems to be dominating most sports coverage, with only the rugby (six nations) and football (the proper kind :P), still getting a mention in the UK at the moment. As such its hard to judge notability by media coverage in the circumstances --Daviessimo (talk) 09:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I wouldn't call top headline in the 'other sports' section is prime coverage, though like you said it could be because of the Olympics. I'll just cite one alternative news source, the sports section of El Pais which features multiple headlines related to rugby six nations and the NBA game but nothing on the America's cup (or NASCAR). So coverage of it certainly varies. On another note, though I'm not sure this is relevant, I'll point out that while sailing is a global pastime, competing in the America's Cup is really only possible for a small wealthy minority.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC have covered it and it is currently the top item on the 'other sports' section (that is all sports other than those big in the UK like football, cricket, rugby, golf, F1 etc etc), ahead of NASCAR and basketball (neither of which are not mentioned at all). Sailing is a global pastime and sport, so I personally think it should remain on ITNR. I also think its worth pointing out that the Olympics seems to be dominating most sports coverage, with only the rugby (six nations) and football (the proper kind :P), still getting a mention in the UK at the moment. As such its hard to judge notability by media coverage in the circumstances --Daviessimo (talk) 09:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I don't suggest we remove it without getting some more input. The America's Cup is certainly a very notable event, being the oldest trophy in modern sport, according to our article. It certainly is the world's premier sailing event, and it does have a global profile. Not many sporting events inspire heads of state to encourage workers to show up late for work. It just seems like now the's a very small amount of global interest in this.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with previous comments that the America's Cup was a big deal in the '80s but does anyone really follow it anymore? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure it could always be removed from ITNR and the Main Page if there is new evidence that it is not important enough. --candle•wicke 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Concur with Johsemlak. This is an ITN-worthy event when there is an initial regatta to determine which boat races against the Cup-holder. This year's event was hardly covered in the mainstream media, as far as I can see. -- Flyguy649 talk 03:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not opposing, as it's ITNR, but is the America's Cup that big a deal nowadays? An American boat won it, and it's getting almost zero coverage in the US (e.g. not a single mention at the ESPN main page. I know it was a large sensation back in the 80s when a non-US team won it for the first time but is it really that big now? From a US perspective, it certainly seems like the Daytona 500 or the NBA All-Star Game are bigger events; and the NBA All-star game is surely bigger globally.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Dick Francis
- The novellist Dick Francis has passed away. Possible hook: "The British crime novellist and champion horse jockey Dick Francis has died, aged 89." Source: BBC and The Guardian. ISD (talk) 16:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- (1) "Francis, from Oxfordshire, was "rightly acclaimed" as one of the greatest thriller writers in the world".
- (2) "He received awards from the Crime Writers' Association and from the Mystery Writers of America. Francis was appointed OBE in 1984 and CBE in 2000".
- (3) "He had admirers in all parts of the world; races were named in his honour and films were made of his books as far afield as Russia".
- Support. For those reasons. Also struck by the quote from (3) — "Not to read Dick Francis because you don't like horses," remarked one reviewer in Newsweek, "is like not reading Dostoyevsky because you don't believe in God." --candle•wicke 16:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, we just had a death posted. I'm not so sure about posting another one. This person certainly died well after the height of his career. Oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is no proper death on the Main Page right now. Nodar Kumaritashvili's is a special case which, as I said at the time, was unlikely to have been posted had he not died in those exact circumstances at that exact moment, and it is part of the 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony ITN. Dick's bibliography would suggest he has been writing as recently as last year, indicating he was not finished. --candle•wicke 17:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, personally I'm not sure we meet the criteria 'very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognized as such.' (unless we consider his field 'horse racing crime thriller writing'). He won some awards but I don't see that he won the Man Booker Prize for example or something of similar stature. In comparison to J.D. Salinger's death, which we recently featured, I see, well, no comparison. And so far I don't see an extensive media reaction to his death as we saw with McQueen.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is no proper death on the Main Page right now. Nodar Kumaritashvili's is a special case which, as I said at the time, was unlikely to have been posted had he not died in those exact circumstances at that exact moment, and it is part of the 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony ITN. Dick's bibliography would suggest he has been writing as recently as last year, indicating he was not finished. --candle•wicke 17:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, we just had a death posted. I'm not so sure about posting another one. This person certainly died well after the height of his career. Oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose He was 89 for gods sake. MickMacNee (talk) 17:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not overly significant. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - He was a famous and notable novelist. --FixmanPraise me 21:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I like his books and so forth, but there's no significance or unexpectedness to it. --Smashvilletalk 21:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- "King of fiction"? Also, CBC is now saying he "sold more than 60 million books in 20 languages ". He "won many accolades including The Edgar Allen Poe Award in 1970 and 1980, the Gold Dagger Award in 1980 and the British Crime Writers' Association lifetime achievement Cartier Diamond Dagger Award in 1989". "He remains the only three-time winner of the Mystery Writers of America Edgar Award for Best Novel". The Queen is even reported to be "saddened by the news". Reuters: "Francis rode more than 350 winners, and was champion jockey before injury forced him to take up the pen, first writing for a national newspaper as a racing correspondent and then producing more than 40 novels, many of them international bestsellers". --candle•wicke 21:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
February 13
- U Tin Oo, the Vice-Chairman of the National League for Democracy was released today in Yangon, the largest city in Myanmar, after the expiration of his term of house arrest. (UN)
- Cyclone Rene approaches Manu'a at full force winds of 150 kilometres an hour. (Radio New Zealand International)
- A suspected terrorist attack in the western Indian city of Pune kills 9 people and injures more than 45 others. BBC news (The Times of India) (The Hindu) (The Times)
- Burma releases vice-chairman of the National League for Democracy (NLD), Tin Oo at the age of 82, after he has spent more than a decade in prison or under house arrest. (BBC)
- The Côte d'Ivoire government is dissolved with President Laurent Gbagbo saying on state television that the peace process has broken down. (Al Jazeera) (The Sydney Morning Herald) (Reuters)
- 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver:
- The men's downhill skiing is postponed due to "slushy conditions", with the women's super-combined event having already been postponed. (BBC) (Sky Sports)
- The luge event goes ahead at the Whistler Sliding Centre a day after the death of Nodar Kumaritashvili. (BBC) (The Times) (ABC)
- Year of the Tiger:
- China prepares to celebrate New Year holidays with tens of millions of people travelling and fireworks anticipated. (The Daily Telegraph)
- Wen Jiabao delivers his New Year message in state newspapers. (Reuters)
- Clashes erupt in Dresden 65 years after the city was bombed at the end of World War II. (Al Jazeera) (CBC) (Press TV) (The Washington Post) (BBC)
- Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki demands eight senior officials to resign due to corruption scandals in the education ministry and a maize scandal. (BBC)
- NATO forces in Afghanistan launch Operation Moshtarak against the Taliban-controlled village of Marja in Helmand Province. (The New York Times)
- At least 10 people are electrocuted to death when a power cable collapses onto a bus in Port Harcourt. (BBC)
- Three people die and others are seriously injured after a Danish bus en route from Berlin to Munich hits a barrier and flips over on the Bundesautobahn 9 near Dessau, Saxony-Anhalt. The Autobahn is closed in both directions. (The Local) (IOL) (RTÉ)
ITN candidates for February 13
Bus tragedy
- At least 10 are dead after a power cable falls on Nigeria bus - [3] - TouLouse (talk) 09:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. The death toll has risen to 15. Two buses affected. --candle•wicke 15:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- 20 dead now. It is not expected to stop there. --candle•wicke 15:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is unknown how many were on the bus. Some of the dead were just passing by as well. --candle•wicke 15:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- 30+ dead now. "The two buses, whose occupants were electrocuted, were registered and painted with the Rivers State Ministry of Transport colours". --candle•wicke 15:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is unknown how many were on the bus. Some of the dead were just passing by as well. --candle•wicke 15:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- 20 dead now. It is not expected to stop there. --candle•wicke 15:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This can't be a common occurrence. Do we have an article or shall I create one? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) 40 deaths, 30+ injuries actually. "Hundreds of residents who witnessed the evacuation of the charred remains of the victims to the morgue at Braithwaite Memorial Hospital, wailed openly some of the victims were burnt beyond recognition". --candle•wicke 15:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Can't see an article, should be possible to create something with all those links. --candle•wicke 15:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Started 2010 Nigeria bus electrocution HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Are you going to expand it? :-) --candle•wicke 15:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Working on it! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Are you going to expand it? :-) --candle•wicke 15:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Started 2010 Nigeria bus electrocution HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Can't see an article, should be possible to create something with all those links. --candle•wicke 15:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) 40 deaths, 30+ injuries actually. "Hundreds of residents who witnessed the evacuation of the charred remains of the victims to the morgue at Braithwaite Memorial Hospital, wailed openly some of the victims were burnt beyond recognition". --candle•wicke 15:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Considering what events have been ignored in the last few days, it would be mad to post this non-event. Still, that probably means it will now go up in a few hours. MickMacNee (talk) 17:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not even going to bother rebutting that. The arguments provided above completely invalidate it, though I would ask how often 40 people are electrocuted in a bus on the way to work? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Category:Deaths by electrocution has, among others, the interesting electrocution execution of Topsy (elephant) from 1903. It doesn't seem to have many incidents involving such a large amount of people though, suggesting that perhaps they are not very common. --candle•wicke 18:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- I would say that the same can be said for every single nomination on this page. It makes no difference as to whether they get posted, or ignored. MickMacNee (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- So that's an automatic oppose for everything on this page from you (or am I reading that incorrectly)? Ore you opposing to see if it is more likely than something you've supported to be posted? And if it makes no difference why are you here or why does ITN exist? I'm a little confused. --candle•wicke 19:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC is still reporting 'at least' 10 deaths; none of the sources cited here are confirming more than that, though there seems to be lots of speculation that the death toll is higher. I'm inclined to wait until there's at least firmer information on the death toll. While it certainly is an unusual accident, 10 deaths is not a number that makes it that notable of an event. Oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just for the record, there are only 9 deaths in the India bombing on ITN now, but I don't think death toll is the right measure to be using. This is far from a common event, though I agree we should wait for more info to come out and a confirmed death toll. I could do with a hand getting the article up to scratch- I'm struggling to find a lot of information, but I'll keep working on it. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm saying that 'it doesn't happen everyday' is irrelevant, it doesn't add any weight to this, or any other suggtestion. I'll oppose any nomination if this is the only reason given for it, while others are simply ignored. MickMacNee (talk) 19:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- So that's an automatic oppose for everything on this page from you (or am I reading that incorrectly)? Ore you opposing to see if it is more likely than something you've supported to be posted? And if it makes no difference why are you here or why does ITN exist? I'm a little confused. --candle•wicke 19:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not even going to bother rebutting that. The arguments provided above completely invalidate it, though I would ask how often 40 people are electrocuted in a bus on the way to work? HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This is an extraordinary occurrence of international concern, for which a well-sourced article has been created. —David Levy 19:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Seems reasonably long now and is well sourced and none are bare URLs.
A fatal double bus electrocution occurs in Port Harcourt, Rivers State.
--candle•wicke 23:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)- A "double bus electrocution"? I don't think that's a common phrase. -- tariqabjotu 00:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Seems reasonably long now and is well sourced and none are bare URLs.
- Oppose I think the NASA mission is a lot more notable and has more of a long-term effect on the future and don't think it should be kicked for this. Unfortunately, transport accidents happen all the time, especially in 3rd world countries and more unfortunately, lessons aren't learnt, or not quickly enough YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 00:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- 1. We don't exclude new items to prevent existing ones from being replaced.
- 2. Do transport accidents of this nature "happen all the time"? —David Levy 00:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- YellowMonkey, under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but this is not a collision or a "conventional" accident- ten people died from electrocution on their way to work at 8am which, according to category:accidental deaths by electrocution, seems quite rare. The article is now also of reasonable length and quality for inclusion. The purpose of ITN is, after all, to showcase content which has been updated to reflect current events.
- Any help linking to the article would be greatly appreciated. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- [citation needed] Could a source be provided for the above statement by YellowMonkey? I'm aware some countries have a terrible accident with road records but labelling Nigeria like this may be quite insulting if it turns out to be inaccurate. --candle•wicke 00:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Double bus electrocutions? -- tariqabjotu 01:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- [citation needed] Could a source be provided for the above statement by YellowMonkey? I'm aware some countries have a terrible accident with road records but labelling Nigeria like this may be quite insulting if it turns out to be inaccurate. --candle•wicke 00:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 01:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Could the "strike two buses" link be expanded to "strike two buses" for increased visibility? --candle•wicke 01:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Done. —David Levy 01:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Compared to recent ignored postings, this has negligable support. It's debatable whether it even passes NOT#NEWS, let alone whether it deserves to be on the front page. And some people are wondering why Wikinews is dying on its ass. MickMacNee (talk) 01:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- I doubt very much the deaths of 10-40 people in unusual circumstances could be considered ordinary or a violation of NOT#NEWS. What on earth does this have to do with Wikinews? --candle•wicke 02:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Afghanistan offensive
"NATO-led ISAF forces launch an offensive against the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan."
- Support apparently the biggest offensive since 2001. Jolly Ω Janner 19:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Mjroots (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- This items was nominated yesterday and again earlier today, but the article is still tagged with a POV issue so it still can't go up. At least we know when this is resolved there is a lot of support --Daviessimo (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support POV issues have either been resolved or are very minor as I can't spot them. This has been a top story on most news networks all day, we need to get it up on ITN now. -- Love, Smurfy 00:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted That picture is from February 9, so I don't see how that can be from this offensive. -- tariqabjotu 03:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Olympic link
Not to nag, but there seems to be both precedent and consensus for putting a link to Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics at the bottom of the ITN box (see discussion below). The first medals will be awarded very soon, when should this go up? Lampman (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The first medals of the games have been handed out. Any admin that wants to add it, that'd be great. --PlasmaTwa2 19:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Once someone updates Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics with the medal winners then I will add it. I will probably go with the "Olympic summary" wording suggested below - Dumelow (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Simon Ammann's win in the normal hill individual ski jump has been added. Lampman (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Once someone updates Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics with the medal winners then I will add it. I will probably go with the "Olympic summary" wording suggested below - Dumelow (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
2010 Pune bombing
- 8 are killed, 33+ injured - after a restaurant bomb blast in Pune, India - BBC TouLouse (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. --candle•wicke 17:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Significant bombing. ~AH1(TCU) 22:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Wikireader41 (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I'm not very familiar with the inclusion criteria, but event seems to satisfy international significance as it is (currently) on front pages of CNN, BBC News, ABC News and Le Monde
SPat talk 05:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)- comment We can probably have a better blurb: "9 killed, more than 45 injured in suspected terrorist blast in western Indian city of Pune" SPat talk 06:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Personally I prefer Candlewicke's version because its flows smoothly. "9 killed, 45 injured" is quite disjointed and sounds very tabloidy. Also, I would add India after Pune, because most people probably aren't overly familiar with the states of India --Daviessimo (talk) 09:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- 9 Killed isn't exactly a huge amount of deaths to warrant ITN posting. However, it's a bombing, and it's not in a country where such high profile bombings are that common. Plus, there were foreigners among the injured. Neutral but not opposed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Personally I prefer Candlewicke's version because its flows smoothly. "9 killed, 45 injured" is quite disjointed and sounds very tabloidy. Also, I would add India after Pune, because most people probably aren't overly familiar with the states of India --Daviessimo (talk) 09:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- comment We can probably have a better blurb: "9 killed, more than 45 injured in suspected terrorist blast in western Indian city of Pune" SPat talk 06:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 11:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Ivory Coast president dissolves government
Ivory Coast president Laurent Gbagbo dissolves the government.BBC. No sign of an article yet.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Could end up in National Assembly of Côte d'Ivoire, but I note that article has been so unattended it still says "elections are expected on 30 November 2008". However, it likely should end up in Ivorian parliamentary election, 2010, which is outdated but not quite as badly. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. The prorogation of the parliament in Canada led to the 2010 Canada anti-prorogation protests, yet neither event was featured on ITN. Should we include every dissolving of parliament on ITN? ~AH1(TCU) 22:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The prorogation (sp?) wasn't featured, though perhaps it would have been had it been nominated and supported. (There was discussion of posting the protests but I think the feeling was that we had already missed the boat). However, a dissolution is much more dramatic than a simple parliamentary break; however, Ivory Coast's government is much less stable.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. The prorogation of the parliament in Canada led to the 2010 Canada anti-prorogation protests, yet neither event was featured on ITN. Should we include every dissolving of parliament on ITN? ~AH1(TCU) 22:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Jabez Bryce
From Radio New Zealand International: Anglican Bishop of the Diocese of Polynesia for the past 35 years. Longest-serving bishop in the worldwide Anglican Communion. First Pacific Islander to be made an Anglican bishop in 1975. President of the Pacific region of the World Council of Churches. Opposed French nuclear bomb testing at Mururoa Atoll in the 1970s. In 1975, he was ordained as bishop, and he led the Diocese of Polynesia from a colonial past - his predecessors had all been either British or Australian - into a genuinely Pacific present. --candle•wicke 04:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. A significant person yes but not ITN worthy. If the person was the leader of the Anglican Church worldwide maybe.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think this person was a significant in lay society as, say, the Serbian Orthodox patriarch who we posted a couple of weeks ago. The biography is rather short as well. Physchim62 (talk) 10:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Significant, but pretty much the only Anglican I'd consider significant enough for ITN would be the Archbishop of Canterbury. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support He is the firth Pacific Iaslander to be made an Anglican bishop, that is more than enought. --FixmanPraise me 17:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Bryce's appointment in 1975 represented a signifcant change within the Anglican church, as well as in the Pacific Islands region. On top of the fact that he was the first Pacific Islander to become an Anglican bishop, he was also the longest serving Anglican bishop in the world. Religious figures have been included in the past, and Bryce's death, and appointment, was significant. Support. Scanlan (talk) 21:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not overly significant. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Snow is reported in 49 of the 50 U.S. states, the only exception being Hawaii
49 States Dusted With Snow; Hawaii's The Holdout
- Interesting weather fact, possibly never having occurred before. --71.230.178.47 (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- If it snows in Hawaii, then that's something. –Howard the Duck 04:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support if it snows in Hawaii.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The problem is, Hawaii isn't expected to get snow, and tentatively, it appears that even 49 states having snow has never happened before. --71.230.178.47 (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was joking really. The thing is we've already reported heavy snows once just recently. This item does look interesting and significant but it's probably a bit too US centric. Also, I assume we don't have an article.Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- True, regarding the US centrism and the recurring focus on snow. FWIW, the main winter article now mentions that fact. And BTW, har har: if it did snow in Hawaii, I would personally write an article on the event and make it main page worthy! :P I just figured this would be the next best thing. --71.230.178.47 (talk) 05:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was joking really. The thing is we've already reported heavy snows once just recently. This item does look interesting and significant but it's probably a bit too US centric. Also, I assume we don't have an article.Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The problem is, Hawaii isn't expected to get snow, and tentatively, it appears that even 49 states having snow has never happened before. --71.230.178.47 (talk) 05:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support if it snows in Hawaii.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, and trout-slap National Public Radio for wasting our time. After all, there probably is snow in Hawaii, given that Mauna Kea rises to nearly 14,000 feet above sea level! We have a photograph of snow on Mauna Kea in our article, which goes on to state: "Snowfall often occurs at elevations above 11,000 feet (3,400 m) during the period from November through March. During particularly cold and wet winters, which are usually linked to La Niña, a snowpack several feet (1 m) deep may remain in the summit region above 13,000 feet (4,000 m) for weeks or months. This permits skiing and other snowplay activities on the slopes of the cinder cones." Physchim62 (talk) 09:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- "There is currently snow in Hawaii", "It's done! Marsh has posted photos from all 50 states and Washington, D.C., here. Only one caveat, he says: The shot from Hawaii was not taken yesterday (he's still confident there is some snow there)". –Juliancolton | Talk 14:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, but, the people who are actually on Mauna Kea say there's no snow left there at the moment (although they are looking for some in isolated valleys). See [action=search&serendipity[searchTerm]=snow&serendipity[searchButton]=%3E here] for snow in Hawaii! Physchim62 (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Don't you think a blog is perhaps not the most reliable resource? –Juliancolton | Talk 14:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the blog is very good when it describes this "story" as a "meme". I'm still Opposing actually posting this factoid on ITN. Physchim62 (talk) 15:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, but, the people who are actually on Mauna Kea say there's no snow left there at the moment (although they are looking for some in isolated valleys). See [action=search&serendipity[searchTerm]=snow&serendipity[searchButton]=%3E here] for snow in Hawaii! Physchim62 (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- "There is currently snow in Hawaii", "It's done! Marsh has posted photos from all 50 states and Washington, D.C., here. Only one caveat, he says: The shot from Hawaii was not taken yesterday (he's still confident there is some snow there)". –Juliancolton | Talk 14:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivia & cruft, not to mention an accident of state lines. Not important in the slightest. Modest Genius talk 19:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support. This weather event has been featured in many news agencies[4][5][6][7][8][9][10], and an article we could use is winter storms of 2009-2010. There have been superstorms in the US more than once a week for the past two months now and including this bit of information on ITN would provide a good overview of the situation. Since it's implicated in the recent snowfall, we should probably mention the El Nino and Arctic oscillation as well as the unusual jet stream pattern. ~AH1(TCU) 22:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose this item is just trivia; we already had an item covering the blizzards. --PlasmaTwa2 00:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- The very fact that the blizzards are occuring so often is climatologically unusual, and deserves an ITN entry of its own in order to address as big of the whole picture as possible. ENSO and the other oscillations as well as a recent spike in global average temperatures is likely behind this. ~AH1(TCU) 03:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose this item is just trivia; we already had an item covering the blizzards. --PlasmaTwa2 00:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support. This weather event has been featured in many news agencies[4][5][6][7][8][9][10], and an article we could use is winter storms of 2009-2010. There have been superstorms in the US more than once a week for the past two months now and including this bit of information on ITN would provide a good overview of the situation. Since it's implicated in the recent snowfall, we should probably mention the El Nino and Arctic oscillation as well as the unusual jet stream pattern. ~AH1(TCU) 22:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- If it snows in Hawaii, then that's something. –Howard the Duck 04:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support! But then again, I do have the nickname "weatherman" for my obsession with weather =) Ks0stm (T•C•G) 06:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Kenya's first gay wedding is cancelled
WHAT WAS supposed to be Kenya’s first gay wedding was cancelled yesterday, after a wave of protests from the country’s religious community. Three “notorious gays” needed to be rescued from Muslims and Christians. Marches took place by "Operation Gays Out" youth and Women who were among protesting locals, yelled at the top of their voices and called for an operation to flush out lesbians also claimed to be living among locals. Homosexuality carries a prison sentence of 14 years here so it is a very serious matter. The topic has received a great amount of coverage in Kenya it seems since a Kenyan gay couple married in London. Also in The New York Times. --candle•wicke 03:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not that big a deal. I suppose I might support Kenya's first gay wedding, but not this. And anti-gay protests are unfortunately not that notable around the world.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose such protests are common in Africa YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 00:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Opening of 2010 Winter Olympics
- The XXI Olympic Winter Games open in Vancouver, Canada.
- Like with the 2008 Summer Olympics, there should be a subsection of ITN opened for Olympic events. This should be populated initially with the blurb in February 12 section for the death of Nodar Kumaritashvili. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 01:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is a discussion about this below, and again I'll restate my belief that the death of Kumaritashvili should be its own item on itn. I believe this incident is of more notability than just a small blurb in a subsection. --PlasmaTwa2 01:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- It would be just as visible in the Olympics subsection. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, but 2010 Winter Olympics opening ceremony needs updating. SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I believe that through my and several editor's efforts, such as Lordandrei, Musikurt, as well as others, seen in the history: [11]. This should be almost suitable now. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- It would be just as visible in the Olympics subsection. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is a discussion about this below, and again I'll restate my belief that the death of Kumaritashvili should be its own item on itn. I believe this incident is of more notability than just a small blurb in a subsection. --PlasmaTwa2 01:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 05:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Operation Moshtarak
- Nom major Afghan offensive. (NY Times) --bender235 (talk) 13:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- See yesterday's date where, as I type this, it is the nomination at the top. --candle•wicke 14:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 03:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
February 12
- Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has repeatedly called on the DPRK to re-engage in the Six-Party Talks that also involve the Republic of Korea, Japan, China, Russia and the United States. (UN)
- Police in Mtwapa arrest five men accused of being homosexuals, two of whom had wedding rings and were attempting to marry in a first for Kenya. (BBC) (Daily Nation)
- Thousands of people flee Mogadishu after 24 people are killed and 40 people are wounded in two days. (BBC) (CBC)
- Russian security forces kill at least 20 people in Ingushetia. (BBC) (The Star) (The Scotsman)
- Togo appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport over their ban from the next two Africa Cup of Nations in the aftermath of the Togo national football team attack. (BBC) (CNN) (The Guardian)
- Mexican President Felipe Calderón's visit to a community centre in Ciudad Juárez where 13 teenagers and two adults were shot dead at a school party on 31 January is disrupted by murders, riot police and dozens of protesters. (BBC) (Latin American Herald Tribune) (Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
- A shooting at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, United States, leaves at least three persons dead. (CNN)
- 2010 Winter Olympics:
- The XXI Olympic Winter Games competitions begin in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. (NBC Sports)
- Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili is killed after a crash at the Whistler Sliding Centre, during a training run for the 2010 Winter Olympics. (BBC) (The Times) (The Los Angeles Times)
- Nodar Kumaritashvili is remembered by the participants in the opening ceremony. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- The United States successfully shoots down a launching ballistic missile using the Boeing YAL-1, a military Boeing 747-400F aircraft mounted with a chemical oxygen iodine laser weapon. (Reuters)
- Thailand deports the five-man crew detained in the country since December after transporting weapons from North Korea. (AFP) (Thai News Agency)[permanent dead link]
- Campaigning for Iraq's parliamentary election begins. (Xinhua) (AFP) (Press TV)
- Indonesia's former anti-corruption chief Antasari Azhar is sentenced to 18 years for the murder of a businessman. (Jakarta Post) (CNN)
- A ceasefire is declared between Houthi fighters and the Yemeni government in northern Yemen. (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera) (Press TV)
- Burma's leader General Than Shwe says the general elections will be held "soon". (Al Jazeera) (Press Trust of India)
- Chinese human rights activist Feng Zhenghu, stranded at Japan's Narita International Airport after being refused entry to China for three months, returns home. (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link] (BBC)
ITN candidates for February 12
Operation Moshtarak
- I know items relating to the war in Afghanistan rarely get on ITN, but I came across this, which seems pretty significant. It is being described as the biggest offensive in the country since the Taliban were ousted in 2001. Obviously the article needs some work, but what do people think? --Daviessimo (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support as said above this is pretty significant. It might stand more chance than those avalanches buried under several days of discussion. :-) --candle•wicke 23:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- It does sound notable. Support when ready.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The offensive has started: the article will therefore be in a state of flux for some time as info is released, but if we wait for the page to be stable, it will no longer be news. Kevin McE (talk) 09:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Military articles normally have a large number of contributors and this article is no different (the last 50 edits where made today). It seems well referenced, so once the article is balanced to a more international viewpoint it should be good to post --Daviessimo (talk) 10:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The offensive has started: the article will therefore be in a state of flux for some time as info is released, but if we wait for the page to be stable, it will no longer be news. Kevin McE (talk) 09:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- It does sound notable. Support when ready.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I think the article is now in an acceptable state. I have written a front page Wikinews article on this, it is indeed very significant and is making top stories on all major news networks. BBC CNN MSNBC Wall Street Journal USA Today -- Love, Smurfy 15:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. --bender235 (talk) 14:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I still find the article a bit short on background: background information should go back months or years in a case like this where such info is available. At the moment, the article doesn't give any clear information over and above what can be gained from news sources. Oppose. Physchim62 (talk) 15:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. This has got to be the most pre-publicised operation in the history of warfare. Posting this would not inform anybody of anything, unless they don't have a TV. MickMacNee (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- How is that relevant? This is the In The News section, not some weird 'stuff you've never heard of' section. The purpose is to highlight encyclopaedia articles on subjects which are currently in the news. Modest Genius talk 19:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Article is sufficient. Significant development in the War in Afghanistan in that it shows a shift in tactics.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 16:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article still has a tag on it regarding a skewed focus towards the UK perspective. That will need to be fixed before it can go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- The only 'shift in tactics' I can see is that they pre-announced it, knowing full well that meant the insurgents would just leave beforehand (as well as most of the population too), and thus there would be no awkward rise in casualties. I fail to see how this is a significant development at all. MickMacNee (talk) 18:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Support Operation is under way, and should really be on the front page by now. Mjroots (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, since I can't actually see the significance of this. Other than it's big and was pre-publicised, how is it any different to all the other operations that take place in afghanistan? Modest Genius talk 19:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is being reported as the single largest operation in the country since 2001 involving a combined force of ~15,000 troops --Daviessimo (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- "Other than it's big"? Size does not automatically result in importance. Modest Genius talk 00:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is being reported as the single largest operation in the country since 2001 involving a combined force of ~15,000 troops --Daviessimo (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 03:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Luger Nodar Kumaritashvili Killed at Olympics
- I'm thinking this is going to be a fairly major story over the next two weeks. As far as I can tell, this may be the first Winter Olympic fatality. Don't quote me on that. --Smashvilletalk 20:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Even if this has happened before it is still completely unexpected. "Among those to crash was Romania's Violeta Stramaturaru, who was knocked unconscious for a few minutes and taken to hospital." Even that seems quite extreme but death seems... something very unusual. --candle•wicke 20:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article will have to be considerably expanded first. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Give it a couple of hours. If WP has taught me anything, the article will probably be near FA status by tomorrow morning. --Smashvilletalk 23:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article will have to be considerably expanded first. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- A fatal accident at the Olympic Games is definitely ITN-worth, imo. Support. 94.212.31.237 (talk) 20:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This was the fourth fatality at the Winter Olympics in its history, but it is significant enough for ITN as it happened at the Olympic practices in Vancouver. ~AH1(TCU) 21:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - not a important competitor, and the deadly event was not occurred during the proper competition, was at training - TouLouse (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I don't really think the "importance" of the competitor makes a difference, nor does the fact that it wasn't in competition. A competitor dying during official practice during the Olympics is definitely not your normal run-of-the-mill news event. In other words, it doesn't follow the normal ITN criteria because it's more about the context than the individual. --Smashvilletalk 21:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - not a important competitor, and the deadly event was not occurred during the proper competition, was at training - TouLouse (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This was the fourth fatality at the Winter Olympics in its history, but it is significant enough for ITN as it happened at the Olympic practices in Vancouver. ~AH1(TCU) 21:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. The Winter Olympics tragedy is an international event, thus I stress this tragic event must be "In the news" template. --EfferAKS 22:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Georgian Luger Nodar Kumaritashvili dies in an accident during practice at Whistler Sliding Centre, British Columbia, just prior to the opening of the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver.
- support but this should not overlook the opening ceremony otherwise ITN will look like its intentionally making Vancouver look bad. i suggest this being a note in the opening ceremony blurb. (Opening ceremony will MOST likely hold a moment of silence or atleast a mention of this. we should simply mention what was done) -- Ashish-g55 23:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- First Winter Olympic death since 1992. First luge fatality in the Olympic Games since Briton Kazimierz Kay-Skrzypeski died during a training run in Innsbruck, Austria in 1964 -- the first year that luge was included in the Games. --candle•wicke 23:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support as its own item. I do not believe that having this as its own item in itn will overlook the opening ceremonies. This is a (tragic) news story in its own right and I think it should be so on itn. Reporting news will not make itn seem like it is trying to make Vancouver look bad, especially if we include both the opening ceremonies and the Olympic highlights link at the bottom. --PlasmaTwa2 00:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support as own blurb per above. Also, he's more notable than Alexander McQueen, for what it's worth. ~DC Talk To Me 00:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I disagree with the McQueen comment, but this is certainly ITN-worthy. That said, the article will need some serious work. It has 9 lines of prose, of which 7 relate to his death. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- First Winter Olympic death since 1992. First luge fatality in the Olympic Games since Briton Kazimierz Kay-Skrzypeski died during a training run in Innsbruck, Austria in 1964 -- the first year that luge was included in the Games. --candle•wicke 23:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- support but this should not overlook the opening ceremony otherwise ITN will look like its intentionally making Vancouver look bad. i suggest this being a note in the opening ceremony blurb. (Opening ceremony will MOST likely hold a moment of silence or atleast a mention of this. we should simply mention what was done) -- Ashish-g55 23:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the Life and career section needs some serious help before this can go on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 04:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Are we reporting his "life and career" at ITN? Why are we discussing this? Because he died. The death section is more than sufficient. –Howard the Duck 04:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with what Howard said above. The death section is what everyone will come to see. --PlasmaTwa2 04:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Agree with Howard--we're not reporting the death of Nodar Kumaritashvili, whose life isn't particularly notable. We're reporting the death of an athlete at the Olympics ('an athlete dying young'). Perhaps we're going about this wrong. Why not include this in the Olympics opening blurb? Also, don't put the boldfaced link to Nodor, but link to the main Olympic's article (which should have a section covering this).--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I doubt the death criteria and the need for a long and detailed article applies here. Would this person ever stand a chance of being on the Main Page if he hadn't died right now? If he had died next year or at a very old age I don't know if his inclusion on the Main Page would be supported by anyone. In life he was ordinary: it was his death that was extraordinary. It has more than enough detail in the circumstances. --candle•wicke 04:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Agree with Howard--we're not reporting the death of Nodar Kumaritashvili, whose life isn't particularly notable. We're reporting the death of an athlete at the Olympics ('an athlete dying young'). Perhaps we're going about this wrong. Why not include this in the Olympics opening blurb? Also, don't put the boldfaced link to Nodor, but link to the main Olympic's article (which should have a section covering this).--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with what Howard said above. The death section is what everyone will come to see. --PlasmaTwa2 04:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, presuming this replaces the current death on the main. (Even I'm supporting this, for a death that says something) Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- well there u go a moment of silence held for him. i still suggest we mention this in the opening ceremony along with his name. that would seem a lot more honourable. -- Ashish-g55 04:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Are we reporting his "life and career" at ITN? Why are we discussing this? Because he died. The death section is more than sufficient. –Howard the Duck 04:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted There's nothing we can do about the length of the luger's name, so I'm going to ignore that. However, to Ashishg... I can see the point you're making, but I don't think it's a problem. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the Opening Ceremony myself. However, it does appear that the death of Kumaritashvili did add a somber note to the ceremony with the Georgian contingent recognizing their team member with black armbands and the audience giving them a standing ovation. The organizing committee for the Games even dedicated the Opening Ceremony to Kumaritashvili. If there is any conclusion to be made about the juxtaposition -- in a twist on your characterization -- it could be that the Opening Ceremonies happened despite the death of the luger. That's a point that, frankly, I don't believe is far from matter-of-fact. The idea that the blurb also suggests that they should have canceled the Games is a personal judgment, and one that would not be eliminated by splitting up the blurb. Aside from the awkwardness of having two Olympic items back-to-back like that, I think it would seem very strange to pretend like one had no effect on the other. Clearly, as I mentioned in my examples, they are related, so there is no problem with joining the blurbs. -- tariqabjotu 05:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support blurb as is. It's exactly what happened.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Operation Scorched Earth ends
Truce ends six months of bitter warfare in Yemen.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 09:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This is a recent war that involved insurgency and at least two, possibly up to seven countries, but there appear to be some neutrality issues in the article. How about
"A truce signed by the Huthi rebels in Yemen ends six months of fighting during Operation Scorched Earth"? ~AH1(TCU) 21:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC) - Posting. A bit late but nevertheless. --Tone 13:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Vancouver Olympics begin
- Oppose Not of international interest. -- tariqabjotu 04:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Uhh...Vancouver Olympics...sorry, should have wikilinked. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- umm...since this will be main news for the day for atleast 80 countries i am gonna give it obvious support. (change blurb as olympics progresses) -- Ashish-g55 04:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I know what you were talking about, but I don't see the relevance to the rest of the world outside North America. It's just a sports event. -- tariqabjotu 04:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Uhh...Vancouver Olympics...sorry, should have wikilinked. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support This is the Olympics, after all. Opening and closing of Olympic Games is listed on WP:ITN/R. Shouldn't go up just yet, until the opening ceremonies start, though. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support: As per ITN rules and has been regularly featured. --GPPande 08:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver are opened by Governor General Michaëlle Jean.
- We need to wait until 1800 PST (0200 UTC). Physchim62 (talk) 09:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd mention it as "Vancouver, Canada" rather than just "Vancouver" when posting, to better indicate the host country. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- i agree with putting the country but i dont know about the governer line however. since we are going to post it before start of ceremony we shouldnt say who it was opened by. or we can just wait till they light the flame and mention the person who lights the cauldron (its being kept a secret who will do that) -- Ashish-g55 14:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support when opening ceremonies begin. Nirvana888 (talk) 14:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think we should wait until the end of the ceremony before putting it up. At least wait for them to say "Let the games begin". I don't think the Games officially begin when the TV cameras start rolling. -- tariqabjotu 17:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support posting the opening, as per ITNR, and no need to mention the governor general.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support opening ceremony per /R. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support posting the opening, as per ITNR, and no need to mention the governor general.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think Vancouver, Canada is awkward. You wouldn't say Philadelphia, United States or Paris, France. If anything is needed after Vancouver, it should be British Columbia, though I think just Vancouver is fine. Also, posting when the ceremony starts seems fine to me. ~DC Talk To Me 18:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think it should just be Vancouver; it is a well known city worldwide and I don't think anyone is going to get it confused with anywhere else. I also support the blurb about the Governor General. --PlasmaTwa2 18:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Is it well known to the average reader outside North America? If asked to name an American city I don't think I would have Philadelphia in the first five I might think of either... --candle•wicke 19:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, to be honest, I don't think adding "British Columbia" would make it any less ambiguous. Is it common to do the City, State thing in Canada like it is in the US? I think we'll be alright as long as it's linked. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Most likely more ppl know where vancouver is than british columbia. I suggest Vancouver, Canada to make it clear to those who may not know. Vancouver, British Columbia doesnt do any good without another Canada there. -- Ashish-g55 20:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why not just Vancouver? Don't we have the article listed as just the city name for the exact same reasoning? If they're one of the very, very few people who don't know where Vancouver is, they can click the link. --Smashvilletalk 20:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- To answer Candlewicke, yes, I think Vancouver is well known enough internationally; obviously in North America and then I think in Asia due to Vancouver's large Asian population. I find it funny that during an argument to create a disam. article for Vancouver one of the arguments used was that "the 2010 Olympic city is known throughout the world" (or something like that). --PlasmaTwa2 00:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why not just Vancouver? Don't we have the article listed as just the city name for the exact same reasoning? If they're one of the very, very few people who don't know where Vancouver is, they can click the link. --Smashvilletalk 20:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Most likely more ppl know where vancouver is than british columbia. I suggest Vancouver, Canada to make it clear to those who may not know. Vancouver, British Columbia doesnt do any good without another Canada there. -- Ashish-g55 20:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, to be honest, I don't think adding "British Columbia" would make it any less ambiguous. Is it common to do the City, State thing in Canada like it is in the US? I think we'll be alright as long as it's linked. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Is it well known to the average reader outside North America? If asked to name an American city I don't think I would have Philadelphia in the first five I might think of either... --candle•wicke 19:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think it should just be Vancouver; it is a well known city worldwide and I don't think anyone is going to get it confused with anywhere else. I also support the blurb about the Governor General. --PlasmaTwa2 18:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd mention it as "Vancouver, Canada" rather than just "Vancouver" when posting, to better indicate the host country. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- When are you guys adding this? When Bigfoot (finally) makes an appearance? –Howard the Duck 03:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Gimmie a break this is so painfully obvious it's going in - I'm gonna do it unless someone does it before me, this has gone on long enough -- Tawker (talk) 04:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's nearly 5:30am in the UK. I did not expect that I was going to be the one to post this. Still, I did suggest waiting until the end of the ceremony; I guess that happened. -- tariqabjotu 05:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted By the way, I think the name-recognition of Vancouver is not clear-cut. It's not particularly high among global cities, for instance. I wouldn't mind if someone nixed the Canada, but I also don't think it hurts to have it. -- tariqabjotu 05:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Olympic highlights
On a related note, in 2008 there was a quick link at the bottom of the ITN box to the highlights of the Beijing Olympics (like this). This worked very well; it resolved any issues over which events should be featured or not. Anybody could just follow the link and find a summary of that day's gold medallists, world records, etc. I've just created the page Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics, and this could go up tomorrow or later today, if there's consensus. Lampman (talk) 11:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - per 2008 OG - TouLouse (talk) 13:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support tomorrow, as a replacement to the opening ceremony. If nothing else, it's a handy link fro readers. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I say we post the opening ceremony blurb first, then when it disappears from the list we add the ITN box link. ~AH1(TCU) 21:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support and post sometime today. By the time the opening ceremonies drop off, the Olympics will be a quarter of the way over or more. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I'm curious about the phrase "Olympic highlights". First, the article doesn't use highlights in the title, which I believe the 2008 article used during its duration on the Main Page. And, secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think "highlights" is the right word to use when one of the items in the chronology is the death of a competitor. I'd go for "Olympic recap" or "Olympic summary" or something along those lines. -- tariqabjotu 12:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes that is correct, the 2008 article originally used the word "Highlights"; the name was changed to "Chronological summary of..." after the games were over, so I took that to be the new naming standard now. Any wording is fine with me, even simply "Olympic Games" would work. Lampman (talk) 14:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
February 11
- A European Union summit takes place to discuss a possible bailout for Greece's economy. (Reuters) (The Guardian)
- The European Parliament rejects an agreement that would have granted the United States Terrorist Finance Tracking Program unlimited access to the SWIFT bank transactions database. (BBC News)
- Protests continue in Sri Lanka after the arrest of opposition candidate Sarath Fonseka. (AFP) (Bernama)
- British fashion designer Alexander McQueen is found dead at his home in London at the age of 40, on the eve of his mother's funeral, in an apparent suicide. (BBC News) (The Sydney Morning Herald) (The New York Times) (Irish Independent) (The New Zealand Herald)
- A court in Beijing upholds a sentence against Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo who was sentenced to 11 years imprisonment on charges of subversion. (Xinhua) (The Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Iran:
- President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announces that Iran is now a nuclear state, following a successful 20% uranium enrichment. (New York Times)
- Reformists clash with police forces in Iran, during protests held at the 31st anniversary of the overthrow of shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. (New York Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Sergey Aleynikov, a former computer programmer for Goldman Sachs, is indicted for three counts by a U.S. federal court in Manhattan for theft of trade secrets, transportation of stolen property in interstate and foreign commerce, and unauthorized computer access. (Wall Street Journal)
- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton has two coronary stents implanted in his heart at the NewYork–Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, after chest pains. (New York Times)
- Haiti announces that the 10 American missionaries accused of attempted kidnapping will be released from custody. (Sky News)
- A large eruption occurs at the Soufrière Hills volcano in Montserrat after a partial lava dome collapse, sending ash to a height of 50,000 feet. (Montserrat Volcano Obeservatory)
ITN candidates for February 11
Iran declares itself to be a nuclear state
The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, declares his country is now a nuclear state, claiming his their nuclear programme had begun production of 20% highly enriched uranium.
- Iran has gone from 3.5% to 20% according to Ahmadinejad and their IAEA representative. This is described variously as a significant step in a weapons programme. Iran of course denies they are making a bomb, and that it is for a medical research reactor, however the Western world points out that, not only does Iran lack the ability to convert it to reactor fuel rods, you don't need such a high level of enrichment for this purpose. While 20% is not "weapons grade", it is according to our own enriched uranium article, the lowest band of "weapons usable" material, the starting point of the "highly enriched" grade, and is sufficient for crude weapons. According to the Times: Although weapons-grade uranium is 90 per cent enriched, the first stages of the process are the hardest and most time-consuming. The leap from 20 to 90 per cent is more rapidly bridged. All in all, this really should be a no-brainer in terms of international significance, especially compared to what's been on offer recently. MickMacNee (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, the headline above is misleading, as it ("Iran declaring itself a nuclear state) certainly has not happened.OK, upon reading the BBC article, apparently Ahmadinejad did say that. Hmm, I'd say keep an eye on this for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)- OpposeI think just by boosting, they cant become nuclear power. Cant post until they are recognized as such.--yousaf465' 08:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The nomination does not say they have become one, it says they have declared they are one, and for pretty good reasons. Nobody waits for a 'declaration' from someone else to say you are or are not a nuclear power, you just wait for the detection of the first test, just like for North korea or Pakistan. I very much doubt that Iran is going to be allowed to get that far, do you? Still, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs that the death of some fashion wonk or the entirely predictable opening of the minor Olympics warrants more attention that this pretty important development in international affairs. MickMacNee (talk) 12:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
SDO launches
- Solar Dynamics Observatory launches to study sun's dynamic behavior. -- Ashish-g55 04:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- article has been expanded/updated enough for ITN purposes. -- Ashish-g55 19:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's space, so how come it isn't up already? MickMacNee (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted Please, guys, please. -- tariqabjotu 23:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- support YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 06:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- What is up with you guys? Is it compulsory to have a NASA item on ITN as soon as previous one gets buried down? Lets balance. --GPPande 08:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
SWIFT deal
- Nom European Parliament blocks SWIFT deal BBC News. --bender235 (talk) 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Alexander McQueen
British fashion designer Alexander McQueen has died aged 40. BBC, The Daily Mail - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support'. Leading international fashion designer. Struck down for what are presumed to be natural causes, but at the age of 40 and still in the creative part of his career. Physchim62 (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Suppport. Article will need some work though... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article is OK: it gives background to McQueen's career (and also to the circumstances of his death, although that actually seems less relevant). I'd be happy to post it now. Physchim62 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Whilst I also support, I don't know whether this can be put up when it still has a tag regarding the lead --Daviessimo (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I did notice the lead was quite short, but somehow I glossed over the presence of the tag when I decided to add it to ITN. Quick! Somebody fix it! -- tariqabjotu 18:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- The tag is yellow, not orange, and could be fixed by any editor who cared enough to tag it in the first place. The story should go back up if there is support, because you can be sure that there are people typing "Alexander McQueen" into the search box right now whether or not ther is a tag on the article. ITN is not a prize for editors, it is a tool for readers. Physchim62 (talk) 19:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's a terrible, terrible lead. It doesn't have to be award-winning, but it's basically the sentence that would be on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 19:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Whilst I also support, I don't know whether this can be put up when it still has a tag regarding the lead --Daviessimo (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article is OK: it gives background to McQueen's career (and also to the circumstances of his death, although that actually seems less relevant). I'd be happy to post it now. Physchim62 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 19:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Perhaps I'm ignorant of fashion design (or fashion in general) but I just don't see this as that big a household name in fashion design, like Giorgio Armani, one of the Benetton family, or Calvin Klein. Plus, I find the article short of what I'd call adequate for a person whose death is notable enough for ITN (though I'd say that all the names I mentioned above had short articles, so perhaps WP covers fashion designers poorly). I know we judge it a bit differently when it's a death at a young age but still I'm gonna say
strong oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)- Just to point out, that if you scroll to the bottom of the article you'll see that as a 'Grand Couturier', Alexander McQueen was, within the fashion world, held with the same regard as people such as Armani. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't necessarily mean they are not notable --Daviessimo (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I saw that, but I think he should be held in regard outside the fashion world as well as within it. Perhaps he is. Plus, I don't think all those "grand Couturiers' mentioned would be automatically ITN worthy. And that still leaves the issue that the article isn't all that good. If this were the death of a British or American political figure being debated that article would be considered woefully insufficient for ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I was aware, the death criteria does not state that a person has to be well known in the mainstream to go up, but rather they must be a leading figure within their chosen profession, which is true in this case. As for the article, I was never under the impression that only 'large' articles were allowed up when it was a death, as opposed to the normal criteria of a several sentence update with a number of references. Finally, with regards to who are the more notable of the world renowned designers, that is simply are matter of personal opinion. Surely you should be looking at this objectively? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article has issues, as have been pointed out above, and that's a perfectly objective observation. One aim of ITN is to showcase quality material. Plus, a decent article can be an indication of notability. That said, I have found front page coverage of this at El Pais, Al Jazeera, Le Monde, and the New York Times as well as top billing at the BBC, so I'll drop my opposition as far a notability is concerned; but I still maintain the article is inadequate as per objections already mentioned.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, I disagree in terms of quality. We have posted current-events articles with far less detail than this (like most of the articles on ITN right now). I think it's fine. -- tariqabjotu 20:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)x 2I also disagree, but would you care to elaborate? I'll be happy to do what I can to get it up to scratch but, being unfamiliar with subject, I can't see any fundamental issues with the article. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, I disagree in terms of quality. We have posted current-events articles with far less detail than this (like most of the articles on ITN right now). I think it's fine. -- tariqabjotu 20:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article has issues, as have been pointed out above, and that's a perfectly objective observation. One aim of ITN is to showcase quality material. Plus, a decent article can be an indication of notability. That said, I have found front page coverage of this at El Pais, Al Jazeera, Le Monde, and the New York Times as well as top billing at the BBC, so I'll drop my opposition as far a notability is concerned; but I still maintain the article is inadequate as per objections already mentioned.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I was aware, the death criteria does not state that a person has to be well known in the mainstream to go up, but rather they must be a leading figure within their chosen profession, which is true in this case. As for the article, I was never under the impression that only 'large' articles were allowed up when it was a death, as opposed to the normal criteria of a several sentence update with a number of references. Finally, with regards to who are the more notable of the world renowned designers, that is simply are matter of personal opinion. Surely you should be looking at this objectively? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I saw that, but I think he should be held in regard outside the fashion world as well as within it. Perhaps he is. Plus, I don't think all those "grand Couturiers' mentioned would be automatically ITN worthy. And that still leaves the issue that the article isn't all that good. If this were the death of a British or American political figure being debated that article would be considered woefully insufficient for ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just to point out, that if you scroll to the bottom of the article you'll see that as a 'Grand Couturier', Alexander McQueen was, within the fashion world, held with the same regard as people such as Armani. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't necessarily mean they are not notable --Daviessimo (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Perhaps I'm ignorant of fashion design (or fashion in general) but I just don't see this as that big a household name in fashion design, like Giorgio Armani, one of the Benetton family, or Calvin Klein. Plus, I find the article short of what I'd call adequate for a person whose death is notable enough for ITN (though I'd say that all the names I mentioned above had short articles, so perhaps WP covers fashion designers poorly). I know we judge it a bit differently when it's a death at a young age but still I'm gonna say
- Removed for now in favor of
Sri Lankaworld's largest exporter,which is more important. Leave time for debate; this was posted a mere four hours after its nomination. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why can't both be put up? The bottom item has been up for 3 days and, let's be honest, people are always criticising ITN for its slow turnover, so surely this shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Exactly. Both can go up. There isn't sufficient dissent for this to be a case of "remove until there's consensus". -- tariqabjotu 20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It was posted quickly because it was updated quickly, even if there was a last minute scramble to bash the lead into shape. Removing one valid blurb in favour of an older one seems nonsensical to me. Surely the oldest on the template should be removed if you're worried about balance?? The Sri Lanka item, "way more important" as it may be (I don't disagree with you), was not updated substantially enough for ITN until recently, which, from following the discussion, is the only reason it wasn't posted earlier. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And why it still shouldn't have been posted, and why ed removed it himself. Also not sure about putting lists on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 20:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I wont' comment on it being posted and removed but why dont' we wait a bit on this and get some more opinions, and perhaps improve the article?--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And why it still shouldn't have been posted, and why ed removed it himself. Also not sure about putting lists on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 20:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (5x e/c) Question: how exactly is this man different from the rejected Ali Dizaei below? I, for one, am not convinced that this man's death is important enough to receive a mention on ITN. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Man, this is a fast moving situation! Sorry if I've haven't kept up but my earlier objections were based on previous states of the article--it looks ok now. I drop my objections, though for what it's worth I guess I'm biased against having a fashion designer on ITN but that's not an objective point. My apologies.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Well one difference is that Ali Dizaei didn't die. We have death criteria, and this fits under "2. The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such." Also, considering some of the older criteria, he died unexpectedly. You may not have heard of him; fine. Neither have I. But it's quite clear he's a very important figure in his field of expertise, he died unexpectedly, and the item itself has support for going on ITN. It has been adequately updated and the article is of decent quality and length, in my opinion. Seems good enough. Lastly, I must say I think it's a bit improper of you to remove an item from ITN based on no one's objection but your own. -- tariqabjotu 20:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ed if you are not convinced that this man's death is important then you should discuss it here just like everyone else. Just because you are admin does not mean you can just remove items you dont like. i dont see that much opposition here to make it such that it needed to be removed. This defeats the whole purpose of everyone talking here if admins can remove and add whenever they want. btw i dont have any objections either (PS: can we look at other nominations too please.) -- Ashish-g55 20:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It was posted quickly because it was updated quickly, even if there was a last minute scramble to bash the lead into shape. Removing one valid blurb in favour of an older one seems nonsensical to me. Surely the oldest on the template should be removed if you're worried about balance?? The Sri Lanka item, "way more important" as it may be (I don't disagree with you), was not updated substantially enough for ITN until recently, which, from following the discussion, is the only reason it wasn't posted earlier. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, I read about him a few hours ago and I trust he hasn't become any less significant since then. Just in case I've had a quick look again and found these. The Sydney Morning Herald says "the fashion world's leading voices have paid tribute". According to The New York Times, "Throughout Thursday, reports of the suicide of Alexander McQueen, the dark star of international fashion, had swirled across the Internet, a medium that the brilliant British creator had embraced with vigor". According to the Irish Independent, "Just one month before he was due to unveil his new collection at Paris fashion week we’ve lost one of the greatest visionaries in fashion". The New Zealand Herald says it is "a tragedy for the fashion industry". --candle•wicke 21:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I just wanted to come by and drop in my belated support for featuring this article. An extremely important figure, and good to counter systemic bias. (We have way too many male-centric "trivial" topics like sports and not enough female-centric "trivial" things like fashion.) I don't think we've ever had anything related to fashion in ITN before. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tough one. He was no Vivienne Westwood that's for sure. He was well known in fashion, but a nobody outside of it. There are already complaints on the Main Page for posting this item. MickMacNee (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. A nobody that 99% of the world never heard of. Woogee (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I certainly had heard of him, and I don't care about high-fashion at all. He's not a nobody by any stretch. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- If you look at the List of grands couturiers, you'll see that there are almost a hundred listed, so this in itself doesn't seem to establish notability. On the other hand, it should be said that McQueen was one of only eleven listed under "Fashion" in the list of important living people, which was created exactly with situations like this in mind. Of course this list has simply been put together by a few editors, and is in no way definitive. There are certainly arguments both ways, but I lean towards oppose, for the following reason: Even though the subject was not highly notable outside of his narrow field of work, media coverage of his death gives the impression that he was. The reason for this is that the occasion gives the media a chance to name-drop celebrities, and print pictures of supermodels like Naomi Campbell and Kate Moss, thereby maximising page views. This brings out the most tabloidy side even in serious news sources (example from the Los Angeles Times), but since Wikipedia is not meant to be a tabloid, we shouldn't have to follow suit. Lampman (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I certainly had heard of him, and I don't care about high-fashion at all. He's not a nobody by any stretch. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strongly opposed Fashion designers, by their nature, get noticed by many so-called celebrities, which then gets picked up by the media. This doesn't make the death significant, and I don't see the great significance needed to post a death. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strongly opposed : what that news ? that's just a fashion guy. Is this guy death more significant than China becoming the 1st world exporter ? ITN work in a really strange way today. Yug (talk) 05:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support -- fits in any death criteria ITN has had used. –Howard the Duck 05:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose: Does not fit death criteria. No major international impact. Fashion designers, celebrities are just news makers. --GPPande 09:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think "leading international fashion designer" is sufficient. He would have to be an icon for his spot at ITN to be appropriate, in my opinion. __meco (talk) 13:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Might TIME's headline "Alexander McQueen: Fashion Mourns an Icon" be of any use here? :-) --candle•wicke 15:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I would have opposed before I read the article and talked to people who know about fashion-y things and this from the Beeb makes a pretty strong case for him being an "icon". HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 16:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Agree with HJ: My initial gut reaction was 'a fashion designer--no way', but the massive amount of coverage this guy is getting clearly supports his notability. It's at least as notable, and important, as a number of sports related items we post. Plus, as stated above, he clearly meets ITN death criteria.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I would have opposed before I read the article and talked to people who know about fashion-y things and this from the Beeb makes a pretty strong case for him being an "icon". HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 16:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Eruption at Soufriere Hills volcano
- Rather large eruption, sending ash to 50,000 feet, dropping ash on Guadeloupe, and disrupting area flights. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 22:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Any human casualties? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)