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** Have you ever seen [[:File:AzerbaijanDemocraticRepublicMap.png|this map]] which just recently [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azerbaijan_Democratic_Republic&diff=next&oldid=253779045 disappeared] from the ADR article when Baku87 replaced it with his self-made map ?. Btw. can you please exoplain from where you draw on the "generally known" ADR borders? And about which borders do you speak at all? --[[User:Vacio|Vacio]] ([[User talk:Vacio|talk]]) 09:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
** Have you ever seen [[:File:AzerbaijanDemocraticRepublicMap.png|this map]] which just recently [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azerbaijan_Democratic_Republic&diff=next&oldid=253779045 disappeared] from the ADR article when Baku87 replaced it with his self-made map ?. Btw. can you please exoplain from where you draw on the "generally known" ADR borders? And about which borders do you speak at all? --[[User:Vacio|Vacio]] ([[User talk:Vacio|talk]]) 09:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
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***That map was created by [[User:Aivazovsky]], using certain Andrew Andersen as a source, and of course it is unreliable, as Andersen is a self-published source. [[User:Grandmaster|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#464646">'''''Grand'''''</span>]][[User talk:Grandmaster|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#808080">'''''master'''''</span>]] 11:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
***That map was created by [[User:Aivazovsky]], using certain Andrew Andersen as a source, and of course it is unreliable, as Andersen is a self-published source. [[User:Grandmaster|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#464646">'''''Grand'''''</span>]][[User talk:Grandmaster|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#808080">'''''master'''''</span>]] 11:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
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'''Strong delete:''' And if it is kept, I'm going to report this in the fringe theory noticeboard, Grandmaster attempt to mislead others by twisting maps should not go unoticed. It is basically the same users who wanted Anderson maps deleted. The map used by Baku87, is a map prepared by the republic of Azerbaijan, and placed on the site of several of their embassy. Few examples include these. [http://www.azerembassy.hu/imgris/Azerikarta1920.jpg], [http://www.azembassy.lv/images/0102/Map_1918-1920.jpg], [http://www.azembassy.gr/img/Azeri%20karta%20-%201918-1920.jpg]. The original can be found here too. [http://azerbaijanhistory.net/images/maps/hist_map_20_e.jpg]. I question those users interest here, when they are attempting to restrict the deletion of a fringe theory position maintained by the republic of Azerbaijan, which recently created and distributed those maps on several of their sites. The timing of Baku creation of the map here on Wikipedia is then fishy. We need more users uninvolved with AA subjects to vote. And with all saddness Moreschi is absent. This action should be kept for the arbitrators' viewing. No further comment required. - [[User:Fedayee|Fedayee]] ([[User talk:Fedayee|talk]]) 03:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 03:06, 19 February 2009
February 14
Maine_Turnpike_logo.png
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- Non-free logo used as decorative icon in lots of articles. Clearly not fair use. Rettetast (talk) 05:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
File:Azerbaijan map comparison.jpg
- The map shows a comparison of presen-day Azerbaijan and the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic of 1918. The latter however had no de-jure recognised borders. The map shows disputed territories as Zangezur and Nagorn-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan in 1918, which is not supprted by any sources. --Vacio (talk) 06:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per my above post. VartanM (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Vartan.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 07:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
File:Azerbaijan Democratic Republic 1918-1920 Map.jpg
- The same map as File:Azerbaijan map comparison.jpg nominated for deletion above. --Vacio (talk) 07:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Map is based on de-facto borders of ADR, to question its legitimacy is a matter of debate but certainly not a matter of nomination for deletion. Baku87 (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Nationalistic wet dreams by Baku87. VartanM (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Historic map, supported by reliable sources. Grandmaster 05:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Which reliable sources assert that Tavush, Zangezur, Nagorno-Karabakh, Gegharkunik were Azerbaijani territories in 1918?? --Vacio (talk) 05:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- This one: [1] Grandmaster 06:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- The source you refer to says nothing explicitly about the borders of the ADR, I can't find anywhere a mentioned that the aforementioned districts were part of it. You were asked for the quote but you failed to provide one here. --Vacio (talk) 06:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- It does say that, it shows the borders of Transcaucasian states in 1918 - 1920. Plus see Wilson's map, cited by Atabey. The borders of Armenia in Armenica are not historically valid. Armenia had no control of Nakhchivan. Grandmaster 07:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- The map does nothing of the such, and you obviously can not ignore it. The eastern borders on that map (which is basically based on the Wilsonian map) had yet to be settled. The reason was because the rest of the land was not totally under the jurisdiction of the allied power, but was under the Russian territory. The only other borders were the preserved district borders and nothing more. Those of us who are against original research are still waiting for the source of the map by Baku87. Interpretations (particularly yours, when you have a history of misinterpreting maps) of yours or others are not allowed. We are waiting for a map, with the borders prepared by Baku87. If you don't have any to provide, I'm not interested in your opinions. VartanM (talk) 08:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- I would add to these the following: the reference to the Wilsonian map is a clear evidence of OR and manipulation. You can just as well make a map of Nakhichevan were its eastern border would be the Kura River, and claim that your map is supported by the Wilsonian map. --Vacio (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- The map is as good as this one: [2], used in the article about Democratic Republic of Armenia. The map of Armenia in 1918 cites as a source Armenica, and clearly contradicts the sources that I cited here. The map by Baku87, on the other hand, is quite in line with the aforementioned sources. Grandmaster 14:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- I would add to these the following: the reference to the Wilsonian map is a clear evidence of OR and manipulation. You can just as well make a map of Nakhichevan were its eastern border would be the Kura River, and claim that your map is supported by the Wilsonian map. --Vacio (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- The map does nothing of the such, and you obviously can not ignore it. The eastern borders on that map (which is basically based on the Wilsonian map) had yet to be settled. The reason was because the rest of the land was not totally under the jurisdiction of the allied power, but was under the Russian territory. The only other borders were the preserved district borders and nothing more. Those of us who are against original research are still waiting for the source of the map by Baku87. Interpretations (particularly yours, when you have a history of misinterpreting maps) of yours or others are not allowed. We are waiting for a map, with the borders prepared by Baku87. If you don't have any to provide, I'm not interested in your opinions. VartanM (talk) 08:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- It does say that, it shows the borders of Transcaucasian states in 1918 - 1920. Plus see Wilson's map, cited by Atabey. The borders of Armenia in Armenica are not historically valid. Armenia had no control of Nakhchivan. Grandmaster 07:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- The source you refer to says nothing explicitly about the borders of the ADR, I can't find anywhere a mentioned that the aforementioned districts were part of it. You were asked for the quote but you failed to provide one here. --Vacio (talk) 06:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- This one: [1] Grandmaster 06:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Which reliable sources assert that Tavush, Zangezur, Nagorno-Karabakh, Gegharkunik were Azerbaijani territories in 1918?? --Vacio (talk) 05:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, map based solely on fantasies of historians from Baku.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 07:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, original research. Stifle (talk) 11:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Wikipedia:OR#Original_images --Vacio (talk) 05:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep per Grandmaster. Parishan (talk) 06:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, by the way, for doubts about Nagorno-Karabakh and other mentioned territories being part of ADR in 1918, check Wilsonian map used by Armeniapedia here: [4]. Atabəy (talk) 07:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I really hope administrators are checking this and taking notes. A map which neither Baku87 nor any member who voted to keep have provided a source for. Even more intriguing is the source provided by Atabey (beside the fact he reappeared from a long time of silence for this). The Eastern borders on that map were not set (Wilsonian map provided the Turkish-Armenian borders, the rest had yet to be set), and it can be seen that there are no frontiers between Dagestan and Baku. Before making a choice, the closing admin should pay close attention to the fact that a source for the map is yet to be provided. A good faithed editor of course will not vote keep for something for which he can't provide a proper source. VartanM (talk) 08:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Your accusations are false, it is clear to everyone that Grandmaster provided a objective source, if you have missed this part of the discussion then please try to keep more attention before reaching to any conclusion, see the map here. Baku87 (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe Baku87 should actually look at the map. It shows the WW1 period and territory ceded to Ottoman Turkey (NOT to Azerbaijan) after its invasion of Armenia. The two treaties that ceded those territories became void after Turkey's surrender. Meowy 03:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- It seems to me that these arguments are not for the deletion of the map from Wikipedia, but for the removal of the map from articles. This should be done using the talk pages of any articles containing the map. Get the map removed from all articles and the map will be deleted as a matter of course, yes? Because it is in no articles, I vote for its deletion. Meowy 21:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Your accusations are false, it is clear to everyone that Grandmaster provided a objective source, if you have missed this part of the discussion then please try to keep more attention before reaching to any conclusion, see the map here. Baku87 (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delete since it is not currently used in any article, and it is not likely to ever be used in one, given its inaccuracy. Meowy 21:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- It is used in the article Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. Grandmaster 05:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Using a lie as argument is awful, there is no map in the current version of the ADR article. --Vacio (talk) 09:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Delete Unsourced, user-made, ultra nationalist map.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 23:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Compare this Wilsonian map used in armeniapedia with the one in question - they are same. Zitterbewegung Talk 06:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, Wilsonian map only set borders between Armenia and Turkey. Your argument is null. VartanM (talk) 07:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- The Wilsonian map has the word Azerbaijan written in a certain location, which corresponds with this map. Grandmaster 09:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- That has to be the most laughable thing you have ever written! The only useful purpose to of all this is that it reminds us who the usual suspects are. Meowy 03:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- The Wilsonian map has the word Azerbaijan written in a certain location, which corresponds with this map. Grandmaster 09:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- I hope the closing admin will see this attempt to mislead them. Wilsonian map had no Eastern border. Nakhichevan was part of the US de jure recognized Armenia, and controled by Armenia. From the way you are presenting the map, Baku will be in Dagestan. VartanM (talk) 07:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, Wilsonian map only set borders between Armenia and Turkey. Your argument is null. VartanM (talk) 07:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Not too complicated issue and the ADR borders are generally known. Besides, as far as I know, there was no certainly free map of ADR before. Brandспойт 08:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Have you ever seen this map which just recently disappeared from the ADR article when Baku87 replaced it with his self-made map ?. Btw. can you please exoplain from where you draw on the "generally known" ADR borders? And about which borders do you speak at all? --Vacio (talk) 09:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- That map was created by User:Aivazovsky, using certain Andrew Andersen as a source, and of course it is unreliable, as Andersen is a self-published source. Grandmaster 11:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Have you ever seen this map which just recently disappeared from the ADR article when Baku87 replaced it with his self-made map ?. Btw. can you please exoplain from where you draw on the "generally known" ADR borders? And about which borders do you speak at all? --Vacio (talk) 09:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Strong delete: And if it is kept, I'm going to report this in the fringe theory noticeboard, Grandmaster attempt to mislead others by twisting maps should not go unoticed. It is basically the same users who wanted Anderson maps deleted. The map used by Baku87, is a map prepared by the republic of Azerbaijan, and placed on the site of several of their embassy. Few examples include these. [6], [7], [8]. The original can be found here too. [9]. I question those users interest here, when they are attempting to restrict the deletion of a fringe theory position maintained by the republic of Azerbaijan, which recently created and distributed those maps on several of their sites. The timing of Baku creation of the map here on Wikipedia is then fishy. We need more users uninvolved with AA subjects to vote. And with all saddness Moreschi is absent. This action should be kept for the arbitrators' viewing. No further comment required. - Fedayee (talk) 03:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Wa 2000.JPG
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- Another unfree weapon-image that uses non-free fair use, but where a free equivalent could easily be created. DavidDCM (talk) 09:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
MGP-15 SMG.jpg
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- Another unfree weapon-image that uses non-free fair use, but where a free equivalent could easily be created. DavidDCM (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
BM 59 rifle.jpg
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- Another unfree weapon-image that uses non-free fair use, but where a free equivalent could easily be created. DavidDCM (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Petewright.jpg
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- No evidence of GFDL/ author's permission. Papa November (talk) 10:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
GoldFivePound1839.jpeg
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- The coin itself is clearly PD due to age. However, photos of three-dimensional objects acquire their own copyright. No source has been given for the photo. I guess we could very loosely argue that this is PD-ART, because the face of the coin is almost 2D. Any thoughts? Papa November (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
College-green-aerial-thumbnail.jpg
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- No evidence given for permission/GFDL status. User:Jtdirl has been asked for assistance with this Papa November (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- Delay - What form of evidence is needed? Would a copy / paste of the permission email on the image talk page be OK? --mav (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's probably OK to forward the permission email on to permissions-en@wikimedia.org and pop a {{OTRS pending}} tag on the image description page. There's more information here Papa November (talk) 18:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)