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:::::The rationale for deletion was dubious at best and malicious at worst. Admin provided identical rationales for all 3 articles, ignoring the AFD discussion, and demonstrated no interest in the quality of the article. Compared to [[September 2010 Quetta bombing]] and the [[17 August 2010 Baghdad bombings]], the 3 Israeli attacks was subject to far more attention. While Israel has been subject to more than 100 terrorist acts, the 3 incidents were inspired by the peace process and set an historic precedent by Hamas. This was a not random act of violence, it was premeditated and organized by the Hamas leader to disrupt and torpedo the [[peace process]]. Anyone seriously believe these facts qualify as NOTNEWS? [[User:Wikifan12345|Wikifan12345]] ([[User talk:Wikifan12345|talk]]) 11:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)}} |
:::::The rationale for deletion was dubious at best and malicious at worst. Admin provided identical rationales for all 3 articles, ignoring the AFD discussion, and demonstrated no interest in the quality of the article. Compared to [[September 2010 Quetta bombing]] and the [[17 August 2010 Baghdad bombings]], the 3 Israeli attacks was subject to far more attention. While Israel has been subject to more than 100 terrorist acts, the 3 incidents were inspired by the peace process and set an historic precedent by Hamas. This was a not random act of violence, it was premeditated and organized by the Hamas leader to disrupt and torpedo the [[peace process]]. Anyone seriously believe these facts qualify as NOTNEWS? [[User:Wikifan12345|Wikifan12345]] ([[User talk:Wikifan12345|talk]]) 11:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)}} |
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*'''Overturn to no consensus on both''' - there wasn't so much as a majority supporting deletion, how can there be consensus? The closing admin cited "newish users" participation, but even with their votes disqualified the results were 55% and 50% supporting deletion in the June and August AFD respectfully, not even borderline consensus (and still not even a majority in the later). '''''[[User_talk:Rami R|<font color="black">Rami</font>]] [[User:Rami R|<font color="red">R</font>]]''''' 13:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 13:17, 13 September 2010
13 September 2010
June 2010 West Bank shooting and August 2010 West Bank shooting
- June 2010 West Bank shooting (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
- August 2010 West Bank shooting (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
There was no consensus to delete. The claim that NOTNEWS trumps NOTABILITY seems weak because the editors who supported retention made a case that this incident was not routine, having particular special characteristics and the closer failed to address this argument. In asserting the primacy of the not news argument, the close lacked consistency with our general practise and failed to observe the guidance of WP:DGFA by not respecting the judgement of the editors and deleting despite the element of doubt. AMuseo (talk)
copied from User talk:Spartaz, AFD closing admin
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I saw that you deleted three articles about terrorist attacks on Israel and Jordan with the reason NOTNEWS. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August 2010 rocket attack on Eilat/Aqaba Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/June 2010 West Bank shooting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August 2010 West Bank shooting I would like your blessing in cleaning out the related cats starting with all articles in Category:Terrorist incidents in 2010. If you disagree, then please state why the three you deleted are different from anything in there. --Shuki (talk) 18:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Overturn to no consensus on both - there wasn't so much as a majority supporting deletion, how can there be consensus? The closing admin cited "newish users" participation, but even with their votes disqualified the results were 55% and 50% supporting deletion in the June and August AFD respectfully, not even borderline consensus (and still not even a majority in the later). Rami R 13:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
August 2010 rocket attack on Eilat/Aqaba
- August 2010 rocket attack on Eilat/Aqaba (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
There was no consensus to delete. The claim that NOTNEWS trumps NOTABILITY seems weak because we routinely cover topics which are in the news and do this to the extent that we reserve a place on the main page for them. In considering whether a topic is weighty rather than ephemeral, notability is commonly used as a test and so the two considerations are complementary rather than antagonistic. The editors who supported retention made a case that this incident was not routine, having particular special characteristics and the closer failed to address this argument. In asserting the primacy of the not news argument, the close lacked consistency with our general practicum and failed to observe the guidance of WP:DGFA by not respecting the judgement of the editors and deleting despite the element of doubt. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- I concur that this deletion was inappropriate. Note that the article is not, in fact, about a single incident but about a series of rocket attacks on Aqaba, Jordan and Eilat, Israel over several years.AMuseo (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, see my comment above. Wikifan12345 (talk) 11:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)