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:How to provide secondary sources for release notes? More importantly, how does that make information more valid? It simply makes no sense to provide references and secondary sources for the release notes from sources that have no connection with pfSense project. Furthermore, [[WP:GNG]] is satisfied because references to secondary sources are provided on subjects that required it. On subjects like release notes, references must go to official source of information and not secondary sources. --[[User:Mnlth|Mnlth]] ([[User talk:Mnlth|talk]]) 15:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. Covered by Softpedia[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Anews.softpedia.com] (if good enough for [[Department of Homeland Security]] [http://dhs-daily-report.blogspot.com/], good enough for me), InfoWorld[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Ainfoworld.com], NetworkWorld, ZDNet, SecurityWeek, Phoronix[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Aphoronix.com], Tech Republic; multiple books written on subject; Microsoft writes about configuring it for their products[http://blogs.technet.com/b/nexthop/archive/2014/04/07/configuring-pfsense-as-a-reverse-proxy-for-lync-web-services.aspx]. Notability is not established by sources in article ([[WP:CIRC]] maybe applies?), but their mere existence elsewhere. Article could certainly use some cleanup, however. Maybe OP can search for external sources (appears to not have occurred prior to AfD...) and include those into article. A primary sources tag is warranted in head of article, but not deletion, as it clearly meets GNG. Namaste. -- [[User:Dsprc|<span style="color: purple">'''dsprc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Dsprc|<span style="color: green"><sup>'''[talk]'''</sup></span>]] 18:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. Covered by Softpedia[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Anews.softpedia.com] (if good enough for [[Department of Homeland Security]] [http://dhs-daily-report.blogspot.com/], good enough for me), InfoWorld[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Ainfoworld.com], NetworkWorld, ZDNet, SecurityWeek, Phoronix[https://www.google.com/search?q=pfsense+site%3Aphoronix.com], Tech Republic; multiple books written on subject; Microsoft writes about configuring it for their products[http://blogs.technet.com/b/nexthop/archive/2014/04/07/configuring-pfsense-as-a-reverse-proxy-for-lync-web-services.aspx]. Notability is not established by sources in article ([[WP:CIRC]] maybe applies?), but their mere existence elsewhere. Article could certainly use some cleanup, however. Maybe OP can search for external sources (appears to not have occurred prior to AfD...) and include those into article. A primary sources tag is warranted in head of article, but not deletion, as it clearly meets GNG. Namaste. -- [[User:Dsprc|<span style="color: purple">'''dsprc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Dsprc|<span style="color: green"><sup>'''[talk]'''</sup></span>]] 18:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC) |
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Almost all the refs are own refs and the very few that are not don't confer any notability. The two that aren't own web-site are Free Software Magazine, and Tech Republic and both read as though they are spawned from press releases. Does not appear to satisfy WP:GNG Velella Velella Talk 23:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Your statement is incorrect. Furthermore your statement is vague and does not state a valid for page deletion. Majority of references referring to pfSense page are technical nature and the two you consider wrong are still valid. Please provide valid reasons. --Mnlth (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
In addition to my previous message, most of references you consider wrong are actual history, product version and features which cannot be referenced anywhere other than to pfSense page. If you can find references about pfSense history and their product versions on some more reliable source, please let me know. --Mnlth (talk) 23:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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Here's a longer list of pages that are also referencing to their own sites, why are they not marked for deletion?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmoothWall
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPNsense
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M0n0wall
--Mnlth (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- The nominator does propose a valid reason for deletion, and that is that the subject fails to satisfy WP:GNG, the general notability guideline. If you disagree, the most effective way to counter the claim is to provide reliable, secondary sources that discuss this subject in detail. While self-published sources are generally okay for verification of information in appropriate circumstances, they contribute very little to establishing a subject's notability. Also, pointing out that other articles with similar issues exist does not prove that this particular article should exist—see WP:WHATABOUTX. —Mz7 (talk) 02:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 01:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 01:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- How to provide secondary sources for release notes? More importantly, how does that make information more valid? It simply makes no sense to provide references and secondary sources for the release notes from sources that have no connection with pfSense project. Furthermore, WP:GNG is satisfied because references to secondary sources are provided on subjects that required it. On subjects like release notes, references must go to official source of information and not secondary sources. --Mnlth (talk) 15:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. Covered by Softpedia[1] (if good enough for Department of Homeland Security [2], good enough for me), InfoWorld[3], NetworkWorld, ZDNet, SecurityWeek, Phoronix[4], Tech Republic; multiple books written on subject; Microsoft writes about configuring it for their products[5]. Notability is not established by sources in article (WP:CIRC maybe applies?), but their mere existence elsewhere. Article could certainly use some cleanup, however. Maybe OP can search for external sources (appears to not have occurred prior to AfD...) and include those into article. A primary sources tag is warranted in head of article, but not deletion, as it clearly meets GNG. Namaste. -- dsprc [talk] 18:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)