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*'''Snow keep''' As wikipedia '''does''' cover roads (I challenge the nominator to debate this point, but would prefer they did not), one of the most, the not THE most substantial indicators of a "notable road" is the selection of that road by a provincial or state government for inclusion in their numbered road network. These roads are given more funding, have higher design standards and traffic is funnelled towards them as they are almost always the most significant/major roads in the areas they travel through. This precedent has been well established, hence why editors have chosen to write an essay about it. '''Neither''' an essay NOR a policy ''makes'' an article notable; notability makes a topic worthy of coverage, and that essa describes why roads of this nature are notable. Can this be closed now? - '''[[User:Floydian|<font color="#5A5AC5">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">τ</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">¢</font>]]</sub> 05:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Road that doesn't demonstrate notability. All references are to maps, and two-thirds of the references are to the Pennsylvania Department of Highway, a self-published source that doesn't demonstrate notability. Breaking down the notability guideline as it pertains to this article:
- "Significant coverage": Doing a Google search, a Google book search, and a Google news search yields no significant results.
- "Reliable": Not a problem.
- "Sources": No secondary sources are provided in the article. All sources are either
primaryall maps (Yahoo/Bing maps) orself-publishedby the Pennsylvania Department of Highways. This also makes me wonder if the article is partially or fully original research based on the maps. Albacore (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. State-level routes are considered notable as part of Wikipedia's pillar as a gazzeteer. Also, "Original research based on the maps" is a contradiction; Yahoo! Maps and Bing Maps are secondary sources, not primary; and PDOT is a primary source, not a self-published source. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- SNOW keep - State highways are notable per WP:USRD/NT and WP:ROADOUTCOMES. Dough4872 00:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Keep WP:ROADOUTCOMES and WP:USRD/P and WP:USRD/NT, if you want past precedent. Also per The Bushranger on sources. --Rschen7754 00:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Speedy keep per Bushranger with a correction: PennDOT is a first-hand source, not a primary one. All maps are secondary sources, regardless of their creators. The primary source is GIS data and aerial/satellite photography. See Wikipedia:Party and person for an explanation of the difference between first-/third-party sources and primary/secondary/tertiary sources. Imzadi 1979 → 00:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Speedy keep Article passes based on WP:ROADOUTCOMES and WP:USRD/P and WP:USRD/NT. Source rationale in nomination misunderstands how sources are used. --LauraHale (talk) 00:39, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- A Wikiproject essay doesn't make the article notable, a policy does, and "Past precedent" on other roads doesn't effect this particular case. There's no policy. Albacore (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- WP:CONSENSUS, however, is relevant, as are the Five Pillars, among which the fact that Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia but also a gazzeteer can be found. Also I really wish the "it's just an essay" thing would go away. WP:ATA is "just an essay" but nobody ever says that about it. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- A Wikiproject essay doesn't make the article notable, a policy does, and "Past precedent" on other roads doesn't effect this particular case. There's no policy. Albacore (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- So can anyone show me how this actually passes WP:N? Albacore (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- The state highway systems are all notable. For Michigan, there's Michigan State Trunkline Highway System, for Pennsylvania there's currently List of numbered highways in Pennsylvania, and nationally there is Interstate Highway System and United States Numbered Highway System. To provide systematic coverage of the level required of a gazetteer, sub articles are needed per WP:SIZE. So the highway system gets sublists that have tables listing all of the state highways in a state. To continue the necessary systematic coverage needed, each highway gets its own article, again per WP:SIZE. Imzadi 1979 → 01:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- WP:5P. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It incorporates elements of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. One of the functions of a gazetteer is to included significant roads; roads designated state highways are significant. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- So can anyone show me how this actually passes WP:N? Albacore (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete – As the main writer of this article, I've made my WP:POINT. (Closing admin can ignore this if they want. I need to vent.) Mitch32(There is a destiny that makes us... family.) 01:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- And thus another good contributor gets run off the project by the nabobs. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Apparently. --Rschen7754 01:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- This delete vote makes no sense. Dough4872 01:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- And thus another good contributor gets run off the project by the nabobs. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Snow keep As wikipedia does cover roads (I challenge the nominator to debate this point, but would prefer they did not), one of the most, the not THE most substantial indicators of a "notable road" is the selection of that road by a provincial or state government for inclusion in their numbered road network. These roads are given more funding, have higher design standards and traffic is funnelled towards them as they are almost always the most significant/major roads in the areas they travel through. This precedent has been well established, hence why editors have chosen to write an essay about it. Neither an essay NOR a policy makes an article notable; notability makes a topic worthy of coverage, and that essa describes why roads of this nature are notable. Can this be closed now? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 05:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)