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*'''Keep'''. As per Aigest.--[[User:Gaius Claudius Nero|Gaius Claudius Nero]] ([[User talk:Gaius Claudius Nero|talk]]) 19:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. As per Aigest.--[[User:Gaius Claudius Nero|Gaius Claudius Nero]] ([[User talk:Gaius Claudius Nero|talk]]) 19:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Merge''' per Alexikoua. Also, it was created by master puppeteer, so one more reason to move it. Also, obvious content fork. P.S. Glad that sock is blocked, but he will soon reappear, as always. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter |WhiteWriter ]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 22:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Merge''' per Alexikoua. Also, it was created by master puppeteer, so one more reason to move it. Also, obvious content fork. P.S. Glad that sock is blocked, but he will soon reappear, as always. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter |WhiteWriter ]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 22:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''', @FutureP the content is already too expanded to be merged with [[Illyrians]] and it will be expanded even more, @Alexikoua I started sourcing the parts with cn tags.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">[[User:ZjarriRrethues|<font color="white">'''— ''ZjarriRrethues'' —'''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:ZjarriRrethues|talk]]</sup> 22:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''', @FutureP the content is already too expanded to be merged with [[Illyrians]] and it will be expanded even more, @Alexikoua I started sourcing the parts with cn tags and in case you leave messages to TC about my reply here I asked him before proceeding.--<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">[[User:ZjarriRrethues|<font color="white">'''— ''ZjarriRrethues'' —'''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:ZjarriRrethues|talk]]</sup> 22:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Article is a content fork of the already existing Illyrians, which has a history section. While the nominated article may appear big enough to warrant a separate article, about 90-95% of it is completely unsourced and also carries a whiff of copyvio. I propose Illyrian history redirect to Illyrians, in the same way that History of Ancient Greece redirects to Ancient Greece. Athenean (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep: the article is the history of Illyria. The comparison of user:Athenean is impertinent: Illyrian history stays to Illyrians like Ancient Greece stays to Greeks. I don't see a problem with this article and wp:fork is something completely unrelated. Nxenes i dalluar (talk) 05:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete/Redirect: as a pov for of Illyria, actually Illyria is de facto a historical article itself, similar to History of Ancient Greece, History of the Holy Roman Empire (all of them redirections). I suggest we improve the main article (Ilyyrians) instead.Alexikoua (talk) 13:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Asyou can see Athenean, the bit about the Trojan and Kadesh wars have been deleted, while the Bronze Age section is sourced from 'The Illyrians to the Albanians' by Neritan Ceka, one of the most specialized Albanian archaeologists. Also the page is completely sourced. As I am the creator of this page, I say this page stays existing. (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bardyllis (talk • contribs) 09:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment This account is a sock of a banned user, now indef blocked. Athenean (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
22:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Merge the three articles: This one, Illyrians, and Illyria. They are all about the same subject and already contain much duplicated material. What is needed is one good article to give interested readers the basic information on Illyria, its people, and their history. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Slovenia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment There's nothing wrong with a history article here, so though this article is poor, a content fork, I don't see any reason to delete. Maybe merging for now would be good. —innotata 19:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Certainly not delete, either keep or merge with Ilyrians. Ideally, if there's enough content available, there would be a cover article, an article focused on history, one on language etc. Nothing that can't be done with some copyediting. --Tone 19:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Merge, if enough content available make a separate article. --Eleassar my talk 20:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep, as above! --Vinie007 13:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep, it can be used as a cover story to the main article Illyrians, just like Illyrian languages, Illyrian army, Illyrian wars, Illyrian clothing and so on other cover articles. It would be great if we have cover stories in every field, which text would be included in Illyrians article. Aigest (talk) 14:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: X history is just a pov fork of X, they are both about history. On the other hand X languages, army etc, are specialized articles. See for example Byzantine clothing, Byzantine battle tactics, Byzantine Cuisine.
- Merge/redirect. With historical, ancient cultures, there is generally no room for two separate articles for "X" and "History of X"/"X'ian history". The two articles will always, by necessity, be identical in coverage, because there simply is no conceivable aspect of the topic "X" that is not part of their history. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. As per Aigest.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 19:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Merge per Alexikoua. Also, it was created by master puppeteer, so one more reason to move it. Also, obvious content fork. P.S. Glad that sock is blocked, but he will soon reappear, as always. --WhiteWriter speaks 22:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep, @FutureP the content is already too expanded to be merged with Illyrians and it will be expanded even more, @Alexikoua I started sourcing the parts with cn tags and in case you leave messages to TC about my reply here I asked him before proceeding.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)