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:::''Comment'''- I have no [[WP:COI]]. The nominator is apparently not a new user, no matter what his edit count suggests. With all assumption of good faith this seems odd. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 16:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC) |
:::''Comment'''- I have no [[WP:COI]]. The nominator is apparently not a new user, no matter what his edit count suggests. With all assumption of good faith this seems odd. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 16:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak Keep''' - honestly, my first inclination was to delete — as Giano says, a KCMG isn't really proof of notability — but a Google search reveals that Stronge's rather inept handling of affairs in Mexico (Frank McLynn refers to him as "the absurd bird-fancying British minister Sir Francis Stronge") was in part responsible for [[Henry Lane Wilson]]'s success in arranging [[La decena trágica]] and the accession of [[Victoriano Huerta]], who apparently asked [[Weetman Pearson, 1st Viscount Cowdray|Lord Cowdray]] to intercede (unsuccessfully) to have Stronge retained as ambassador to Mexico. I don't know that much about the history involved, but his role looks interesting; perhaps someone from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico|WikiProject Mexico]] would be able to help? [[User:Choess|Choess]] 18:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Weak Keep''' - honestly, my first inclination was to delete — as Giano says, a KCMG isn't really proof of notability — but a Google search reveals that Stronge's rather inept handling of affairs in Mexico (Frank McLynn refers to him as "the absurd bird-fancying British minister Sir Francis Stronge") was in part responsible for [[Henry Lane Wilson]]'s success in arranging [[La decena trágica]] and the accession of [[Victoriano Huerta]], who apparently asked [[Weetman Pearson, 1st Viscount Cowdray|Lord Cowdray]] to intercede (unsuccessfully) to have Stronge retained as ambassador to Mexico. I don't know that much about the history involved, but his role looks interesting; perhaps someone from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico|WikiProject Mexico]] would be able to help? [[User:Choess|Choess]] 18:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. On the basis of a possible [[WP:POINT]]. Notable in own right ''per'' [[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]]. --[[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 18:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Francis Stronge
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Non notable. Being a knight doesn't make someone notable, neither do either of the positions he held. No non-trivial coverage in secondary sources, fails WP:BIO. Stramash 15:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NOT Burke's Peerage. Bishonen | talk 15:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC).
- Keep, the article states that he was the UK ambassador to Chile. My understanding is that ambassadors are considered notable. NawlinWiki 15:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete: This is becoming daft now, I thought all of this non notable baronet business had been sorted out, and even if there were the remotest case for this person being of interest or not, there certainly is not for his father [[Sir John Calvert Stronge For God's sake what is wrong with this place these days, we don't need these people unless they have done something to distinguish themselves. Giano 16:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - a senior diplomat who received one of the highest honours granted by the British Government! --Counter-revolutionary 16:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - this AfD nomination is one of less than ten edits by this user! --Counter-revolutionary 16:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ignoring the conflict of interest. That is not one of the highest honours of the British Government, it us a "dip service gong" handed out routinely to diplomats going to posts where the host country will be offended if they are sent anyone without a title. Half the present day residents of Dolphin square have similar decorations. I see we have others of this "illustrious" family who fail to even achieve that. Giano 16:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- The "other" you refer to was an MP. --Counter-revolutionary 16:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank God for that - and this one John Stronge? Giano 16:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment'- I have no WP:COI. The nominator is apparently not a new user, no matter what his edit count suggests. With all assumption of good faith this seems odd. --Counter-revolutionary 16:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - honestly, my first inclination was to delete — as Giano says, a KCMG isn't really proof of notability — but a Google search reveals that Stronge's rather inept handling of affairs in Mexico (Frank McLynn refers to him as "the absurd bird-fancying British minister Sir Francis Stronge") was in part responsible for Henry Lane Wilson's success in arranging La decena trágica and the accession of Victoriano Huerta, who apparently asked Lord Cowdray to intercede (unsuccessfully) to have Stronge retained as ambassador to Mexico. I don't know that much about the history involved, but his role looks interesting; perhaps someone from WikiProject Mexico would be able to help? Choess 18:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. On the basis of a possible WP:POINT. Notable in own right per Counter-revolutionary. --Major Bonkers (talk) 18:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)