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*'''No change from previous vote''' - there are now 13 sources. The first source is the aforementioned radio program, most of which is about the church. 2 and 8 are the aforementioned ''Monitors''. 3 is the ''Catholic Review'', where the ransom claim is, but al-Bazi gets less mention than the other guy. 4 is still Kember. 5 is about the kidnapping, 6 through 10 are really about "Christians in the Middle East." 11 is in Italian, but they spoke to Bashar Warda about the camp, and al-Bazi isn't mentioned - it's also short. 12 is also very short. 13 isn't really all that much more informative than 3 Most of the coverage is about the camp/center that he happens to run. I'm also going to state that I think E.M.Gregory is sourcing everything from this BBC program and then adding sources that have al-Bazi mentioned in it to try to show coverage when those claims do not appear in those sources. Still not notable. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 18:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
*'''No change from previous vote''' - there are now 13 sources. The first source is the aforementioned radio program, most of which is about the church. 2 and 8 are the aforementioned ''Monitors''. 3 is the ''Catholic Review'', where the ransom claim is, but al-Bazi gets less mention than the other guy. 4 is still Kember. 5 is about the kidnapping, 6 through 10 are really about "Christians in the Middle East." 11 is in Italian, but they spoke to Bashar Warda about the camp, and al-Bazi isn't mentioned - it's also short. 12 is also very short. 13 isn't really all that much more informative than 3 Most of the coverage is about the camp/center that he happens to run. I'm also going to state that I think E.M.Gregory is sourcing everything from this BBC program and then adding sources that have al-Bazi mentioned in it to try to show coverage when those claims do not appear in those sources. Still not notable. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] ([[User talk:MSJapan|talk]]) 18:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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*::A sad case. I had not wanted to drag this into the discussion, but User:MSJapan has been [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]] me for weeks. He has repeatedly stated a desire to drive me off Wikipedia. My suspicion that there may be mental health issues involved has led me to try and ignore him, individuals with mental stability issues often cease their attacks if ignored. It really is sad.[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory]] ([[User talk:E.M.Gregory|talk]]) 18:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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My searches found nothing here, here, here and here to suggest better and independent notability and there's also no good move target (orphan); at best this would be best mentioned elsewhere as part of another article you. This is interesting and he may be locally notable but I'm not seeing wholly time-worthy improvement. SwisterTwister talk 03:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete possibly by A7, becasuse there is no indication of importance by our standards. DGG ( talk ) 21:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I sourced the article. More could be done, but editors should look at sources now in the article before commenting. Reasons given by Nom, and DGG's suggestion of A7 no longer apply and DG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - Based on source verification, does not meet GNG because of WP:NOTINHERITED. This article is being used as a central dump point for tangentially connected items and events related to the article subject, but the subject himself is not notable because of the related coverage. The two Monitor sources only give trivial mention to al-Bazi for quotes and brief overview; there's no real bio in either case, and the actual "depth of coverage" is on his school (in the Christian Science Monitor case), and on education in a refugee camp he is managing (in the Al-Monitor). Kember's book is about Kember (per Amazon), not al-Bazi (unclear from title alone), and is used to mention the church's demographics, not explicitly al-Bazi - possible synthesis there. Lastly, the BBC World Service is a radio program, of which the first eight minutes of the overall hour is given over to al-Bazi's kidnapping, which occurred in 2006, nowhere close to the church coverage in 2010 or the BBC coverage in 2015. In that instance, it's maybe BLP1E for the kidnapping (though one news report isn't depth of coverage either). MSJapan (talk) 18:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- Update Previous comment obsolete because article is now completely rewritten and far better sourced. Father Douglas makes a rather compelling story. Anybody want to help me improve it and maybe nominate it for DKY. To show how collaborative etiting at AFD can improve Wikipedia in wonderful ways?E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting again to evaluate the rewrite Courcelles (talk) 05:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting again to evaluate the rewrite Courcelles (talk) 05:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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- No change from previous vote - there are now 13 sources. The first source is the aforementioned radio program, most of which is about the church. 2 and 8 are the aforementioned Monitors. 3 is the Catholic Review, where the ransom claim is, but al-Bazi gets less mention than the other guy. 4 is still Kember. 5 is about the kidnapping, 6 through 10 are really about "Christians in the Middle East." 11 is in Italian, but they spoke to Bashar Warda about the camp, and al-Bazi isn't mentioned - it's also short. 12 is also very short. 13 isn't really all that much more informative than 3 Most of the coverage is about the camp/center that he happens to run. I'm also going to state that I think E.M.Gregory is sourcing everything from this BBC program and then adding sources that have al-Bazi mentioned in it to try to show coverage when those claims do not appear in those sources. Still not notable. MSJapan (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- A sad case. I had not wanted to drag this into the discussion, but User:MSJapan has been WP:WIKIHOUNDING me for weeks. He has repeatedly stated a desire to drive me off Wikipedia. My suspicion that there may be mental health issues involved has led me to try and ignore him, individuals with mental stability issues often cease their attacks if ignored. It really is sad.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)