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Is anyone else experiencing a longer than ususal lag when performing deletions within the last 24-48 hours? If it's just me, then it's probably karma for some misdeed I've perpetrated elsewhere. If not, I will make a note of it at [[WP:VPT]].--[[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 22:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC) |
Is anyone else experiencing a longer than ususal lag when performing deletions within the last 24-48 hours? If it's just me, then it's probably karma for some misdeed I've perpetrated elsewhere. If not, I will make a note of it at [[WP:VPT]].--[[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 22:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC) |
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== Proposed topic ban for StreetSign == |
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{{userlinks|StreetSign}} has been busy promoting a murder-related conspiracy theory without any reliable sources to back up his claims (A lot of his claims can be traced to articles/videos on ''Infowars'' and ''The Daily Mail''). He is most active at [[Talk:Murder of Seth Rich]], but has touched upon Mark Hausknecht and Lee Harvey Oswald. |
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He has received a DS alert.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AStreetSign&type=revision&diff=850211381&oldid=828678765] Didn't change the behavior. |
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I propose a topic ban from all articles related to deaths or murders. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 22:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC) |
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This discussion just got auto-archived at ANI before anyone got around to closing it, but there was a topic ban proposal in there with a decent number of votes. Could someone take a look at this? --Licks-rocks (talk) 09:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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(Initiated 34 days ago on 20 April 2024) An involved user has repeatedly attempted to close this after adding their arguments. It's a divisive topic and a close would stop back and forth edits. DerVolkssport11 (talk) 12:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, the RfC was closed in this dif, and an IP editor unclosed it, with this statement: "involved and pushing"
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- It doesn't seem to me that there is a consensus here to do anything, with most editors couching their statements as why it might (or might not) be done rather than why it should (or should not). I will opine that I'm not aware there's any precedent to exclude {{Press}} for any reason and that it would be very unusual, but I don't think that's good enough reason to just overrule Hipal. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 01:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Topic ban review request
I was topic banned from American politics articles on 9 January 2018 (not 2017 as the editing restrictions list says) for BLP violations relating to Donald Trump. Whilst I have no real interest in editing articles about Trump, I would like to edit\create article not permitted by my "broadly construed topic ban on American politics". In the last few months, I have been mostly creating biographies for Women in Red, and there have been a few times when I've wanted to create articles about American women, but been unable to do so, as they have a vague connection to American politics. I understand the reasons for which I was topic banned and blocked, and since then have been wholly compliant with WP:BLP, as demonstrated by the 31 biographies I have created this year, of which 25+ of them are BLPs. I ask the community to reconsider my topic ban, as I believe that my editing has demonstrated that this ban is no longer necessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Two questions:
- You're OK with the Donald Trump topic ban remaining in force, right?
- There seems to have been a certain level of impulse control problems thru March. Are you confident those are not going to recur?
- --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- This would work better if you provided links, Joseph, like this, or at least pinged Alex Shih. There, I've done both for you. It's difficult for people at AN to comment on a sanction that was apparently (?) decided at UTRS, see my link. For instance, I have difficulty understanding whether Alex is saying only that the topic ban from Trump pages can be appealed after six months, or that the "voluntary" (?) ban from American politics can, or need, also be appealed. Exactly how voluntary is it? I hope Alex will clarify. Bishonen | talk 20:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC).
- I don't know how kosher it is to reproduce verbatim UTRS logs, but since there's no private info involved, I trust I can do it here:
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Alex Shih@2018-01-08 21:23:31: Hello Joseph2302, Thank you for your appeal. If I understand correctly, you'll be willing to accept 1) Commitment to BLP 2) Indefinite topic ban from Donald Trump and related pages, broadly construed 3) Temporary restricted from page moves until further notice? While this appeal ticks all the boxes, because of your subsequent comments after the initial block and previous history in this area, the block can only be reduced to 2 weeks I think. Any similar violations like this would result in indefinite block without warning. Let me know what you think, Alex Shih English Wikipedia Administrator ----------------------------------------- Joseph2302@2018-01-08 22:00:11: Yes I would be willing to accept: Commitment to BLP Indefinite topic ban on Donald Trump and related pages, broadly construed. I'd take this to mean most/all of American politics in the last c.5 years, plus anything otherwise related to Trump e.g. his businesses, media appearances about him such as the Apprentice, Temporary restriction from page moves (I guess temporary means 6 months or a year, or indefinite but can appeal after X amount of time) And I understand that 2 weeks is reasonable given the comments I made after the 1 week block was imposed. And that any similar incidents would result in an indef block. Obviously I would like to return sooner than that, but I understand the seriousness of the BLP violations and talkpage comments. <extraneous info snipped> ----------------------------------------- Alex Shih@2018-01-09 03:55:12: Hello Joseph2302, No problem, I will reduce your block shortly. Thank you for the prompt response. Alex Shih English Wikipedia Administrator |
- --Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- I have no issues with posting the messages, in fact I was about to do it myself. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Floquenbeam I don't care about Donald Trump topic ban, since I don't plan to edit articles about him. And I had some issues in March which won't be repeated. Mostly I was being pointy which isn't the point of Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- --Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, Writ Keeper. I'm afraid I understand the situation less now, since there's nothing about a topic ban from Am Pol, voluntary or other, there, and yet Alex's log note contains such a ban. Does Joseph need to appeal it at all? Does it exist? Bishonen | talk 20:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC).
- In light of Joseph2302's response, I'm in favor of (a) lifting the AmPol restriction, (b) keeping the Donald Trump restriction, and (c) cleaning up the edit restrictions log with a link to this discussion for the Trump restriction. Part of the problem, I think, based on the layout of WP:Editing restrictions, is that restrictions that are not from ArbCom or a community discussion are, apparently, considered "voluntary" (in the sense that they were voluntarily agreed to in order to get unblocked?). So that might be what Alex meant. But yeah, that log entry is a little difficult to parse. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don’t really have an opinion either way on lifting it, but narrow AP2 bans (i.e. Trump bans) have a habit of blowing up in faces and usually lead to blocks because no one can agree what falls under the narrower ban. For this reason I’ve come around to the view that American politics TBANS should generally be all or nothing. It prevents the inevitable “but I didn’t realize that admin X thought discussing a Supreme Court nominee is Trump related!” Unblock requests. Also, FWIW, I think this is one of the few situations where invoking ROPE might actually be appropriate: if Joseph vandalizes a page on Trump again, given the history, an indef is likely. That’s a lot easier to enforce than figuring out what is related to Trump and what isn’t.TonyBallioni (talk) 21:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, unlike ARBAPDS, the unblock statement is all American politics; what about abolishing the current topic ban entirely and replacing it with a ban on current politics? ["Current" to be defined carefully, of course.] This isn't the Macedonia naming dispute, with centuries or millennia of contention: it's all dealing with current people and current events. If Joseph can't be trusted to edit Trump but can be trusted to edit American politics unrelated to him (no opinion from me on whether that's the case), presumably he can be trusted to edit on issues related to John Hanson, William McKinley, and Estes Kefauver. Nyttend (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- While I'm not opposed to such a change, I'm not sure if it's really dealing with the issue that brought Joseph here. I had a quick look at their recent creations, and most of them seem to still be alive. Actually often the thing that makes them notable is fairly recent. So I'm not sure it's that likely making the ban post 1932 American politics will help much. I'd also note that the state of pre 1933 American politics means there's unfortunately not so many women which fall under such a criterion anyway. I also see Cullen328 says below that the ban is actually only on post 2013 so a lot more generous than the standard sanction and the point is moot. Edit: I see you mentioned 'current' to be defined carefully, I missed that before and assumed from your comments you were talking about a standard ARBAPDS post 1932 ban not an even more narrow ban. That's more worthwhile except that as said it seems it's already the case. Nil Einne (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, unlike ARBAPDS, the unblock statement is all American politics; what about abolishing the current topic ban entirely and replacing it with a ban on current politics? ["Current" to be defined carefully, of course.] This isn't the Macedonia naming dispute, with centuries or millennia of contention: it's all dealing with current people and current events. If Joseph can't be trusted to edit Trump but can be trusted to edit American politics unrelated to him (no opinion from me on whether that's the case), presumably he can be trusted to edit on issues related to John Hanson, William McKinley, and Estes Kefauver. Nyttend (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don’t really have an opinion either way on lifting it, but narrow AP2 bans (i.e. Trump bans) have a habit of blowing up in faces and usually lead to blocks because no one can agree what falls under the narrower ban. For this reason I’ve come around to the view that American politics TBANS should generally be all or nothing. It prevents the inevitable “but I didn’t realize that admin X thought discussing a Supreme Court nominee is Trump related!” Unblock requests. Also, FWIW, I think this is one of the few situations where invoking ROPE might actually be appropriate: if Joseph vandalizes a page on Trump again, given the history, an indef is likely. That’s a lot easier to enforce than figuring out what is related to Trump and what isn’t.TonyBallioni (talk) 21:10, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Tony that a "Trump-ban" separate from WP:ARBAPDS is a bad idea. I support lifting the TBAN unconditionally, with the understanding that if he does start making problematic edits related to Trump, it's likely an admin will re-impose the wider topic ban on American Politics. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Trump related, broadly construed, is a really vague term, and I would prefer to avoid such bans. I wouldn't care about keeping a ban on the Donald Trump page (that is a clear line and easily enforceable). Otherwise I agree with lifting the voluntary American Politics ban. -Obsidi (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to me that the Trump related topic ban was imposed by an administrator and that Joseph2302 is not asking that it be removed. What Joseph2302 is asking is that the broader topic ban on U.S. politics be lifted. That topic ban was voluntary, so in my opinion, Joseph2302 can unban himself at any time, with full realization that misconduct in this broad topic area will result in much stricter sanctions. I think that it is excellent that the editor put the matter forward for community discussion. I encourage him to keep avoiding Trump related articles, and to feel free to edit other political articles in full compliance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- The talk page notice of the restriction did not accurately reflect the UTRS discussion. The voluntary restriction agreed at UTRS was about most American politics in the last five years, specifically referencing Trump related stuff. There is a vast world of American politics articles from 1932 to 2013 that need to be improved, that have nothing at all to do with Trump. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, the American politics ban was meant to be voluntary as logged, and therefore intentionally wide (given the situation at the time); considering the history I think this discussion was indeed a good idea, and I concur with the interpretation of Cullen328 and Floquenbeam on my log entry. I would support going ahead and remove that sentence entirely and just keep the Trump topic ban intact, as Joseph2302 is not asking for it to be removed anyway. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Given the statements above, I'm opposed to the idea of modifying this topic ban — as long as you're doing anything related to American politics in the last five years, you're likely to run into something Trump-related before long, so there's way too much wiggle room. I'm neutral on "retain the current ban" versus "remove the ban entirely", but both of those are a good deal simpler and less ambiguous (and thus better) than the proposed modification. PS, given the introductory comments about article creation: what about making an exception for drafts? Most disruption in political areas seems to happen when people edit-war over existing articles; if you may edit in this field in draftspace only (and may talk with others about improving drafts you've created), I don't imagine that problems would result, even if it would be a bad idea to remove the ban entirely. Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- I oppose narrowing the TBAN, especially now. The TBAN was imposed as a compromise, resolving an indef for very unrestrained behavior, in a topic where we have DS because of too much unrestrained behavior due to the intense passions. While the request only discusses work on articles about athletes, it is hard to not consider the timing of this request, with the impending US mid-term elections, with so much Trumpian stuff going on. Given the timing, it seems unwise to narrow the TBAN now.
- Additionally, the request doesn't acknowledge the stuff that led to this situation.
- Looking at their block log they seem to have some hot button issues where they lose all restraint sometimes.
- Please look at their talk page archive from when they were indeffed; they apparently straight up lied about prodding the Trump page and then did the BLP-violating move of a related page that led to a block. In reaction to that, they wrote some things (some now rev-delled) that got them indeffed and caused them to lose talk page access (relevant part of their contribs is here). The indef and talk-page access are what were resolved via the UTRS thread quoted above.
- So they should stay away from US politics, especially now during the silly season. Better for them, better for everyone. We ~could~ consider a request after the mid-terms but it would need to come with way more self-awareness of the problems that led to the stuff in early January, and again, the OP doesn't discuss that at all. Jytdog (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Close?
- I think there is consensus here. There is concern about the scope of Trump topic ban leaves too much ambiguity, which really is only a concern if Joseph2302 is/was an active editor in the American politics topic area, which isn't the case here I think. I have always maintained that topic ban enforcements requires discretion and also consideration on the merits of why the original ban was placed in the first place, and under this mindset I think removing the voluntary ban, leaving Trump ban intact and having this discussion as something to point to should problems occur, would be the simple and sensible way forward. Would somebody close this please? Alex Shih (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Can someone please close this? -Obsidi (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
TFA vandalism
By now many of you are aware of this ongoing vandalism. They are targeting Today's Featured Article, among any other random article. Vandalism on TFA is commonplace, but to this extreme I think we need to do something beyond relying on patrollers. Sometimes this remains for minutes, when TFAs get maybe 20-30 views per minute (judging by the last several TFAs). It looks awfully bad for the project.
I know it's a perennial proposal, but do you think it'd be okay to put TFA under pending changes protection, procedurally, until we get this vandalism under control? This way everyone gets to at least edit, and I assume it being the TFA, pending changes would be tended to quickly. I have other ideas that don't involve any form of protection, but they're quite complicated. It would be great to do something. The edit filter is not cutting it.
Reminder that the vandal may be reading this discussion. — MusikAnimal talk 03:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- I believe it is fairly common for us to apply semi-protection to TFAs when it becomes clear that they are attracting vandalism. The question here, I think, is about pre-emptive protection; and we already do that in a sense, by applying move-protection to all TFAs (the bot does this). I would certainly be okay with applying PC protection at the first sign of trouble. I'm a little reluctant to support pre-emptive PC protection simply because the load on PC reviewers will increase considerably. MusikAnimal Is a TFA-specific, IP-specific, image-specific filter possible? Vanamonde (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- That's what I really want -- to make the filter TFA-specific. If we can do that we'll be in much better shape. Unfortunately there's no way to detect this right now. We'd need the bot to add an empty template, maybe {{TFA placeholder}} (or something), or even just a comment somewhere in the wikitext. The filter would also have to ensure only the bot or an admin can add/remove the template/comment, which is possible. I think having this identifier could be useful in the future for other vandalism-prevention, too, so maybe it's worth the trouble of implementing it? — MusikAnimal talk 04:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- @MusikAnimal: My technical knowledge is limited, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if such a filter would be based on a template that had to be inserted into the TFA text, I think it would absolutely be worth implementing, as it could then be manually added to other main-page entries that were targets of image-vandalism, too. As such I think it's likely to be a worthwhile investment. Vanamonde (talk) 04:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- I like this idea. It's potentially better than pre-emptive pending changes protection as it would allow for more good faith editing to be done in real time and potential vandalism edits to show a warning to the user. Killiondude (talk) 04:36, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Legoktm: Would you be interested in having TFA Protector Bot perform this for us? It should be rather simple to implement; at 00:00 UTC put
<!-- TFA -->
in the wikitext, I guess at the bottom. Then remove it the following midnight. If you are too busy I can pursue this, but I figure since we're doing this for counter-vandalism reasons, TFA Protector Bot seems most fitting.Unrelated oddity -- the system edit count of TFA Protetor Bot is currently at 22 edits, but the bot has clearly made many more than that. — MusikAnimal talk 17:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think relying on an edit to be made at midnight is a good idea. What about a template that uses time-based parserfunctions to add some magic text, and look at the pst in the AbuseFilter? That way the bot can add the template in advance, and remove it later on without relying on exact timing.
- And protection log entry dummy edits don't count as proper edits :) Legoktm (talk) 23:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Legoktm: That could work. PST variables are not exactly cheap in AbuseFilter, is what worries me. But I suppose with good conditioning (user rights, namespace, added_lines, then check PST) maybe it will be OK? At any rate, exact timing I don't think is necessary. I have a bot task that does something similar (rotating headings at T:TDYK), and if it the job queue in the Toolforge grid is backed up it might not edit until a few minutes after midnight, which is fine. — MusikAnimal talk 19:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Legoktm: Would you be interested in having TFA Protector Bot perform this for us? It should be rather simple to implement; at 00:00 UTC put
- That's what I really want -- to make the filter TFA-specific. If we can do that we'll be in much better shape. Unfortunately there's no way to detect this right now. We'd need the bot to add an empty template, maybe {{TFA placeholder}} (or something), or even just a comment somewhere in the wikitext. The filter would also have to ensure only the bot or an admin can add/remove the template/comment, which is possible. I think having this identifier could be useful in the future for other vandalism-prevention, too, so maybe it's worth the trouble of implementing it? — MusikAnimal talk 04:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I have started an RfC related to this at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Alternative proposal: disallow non-autoconfirmed users adding images on TFAs. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Range block assist
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Hi all, can someone please assist with a rangeblock that will cover:
- 103.252.25.45 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.47 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.48 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.49 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.52 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.55 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.59 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 103.252.25.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
...and more within that range? I've reported this guy before here in June, but this most recent flare-up was brought to my attention by Vivek Ray. The vandal submits gibberish, typically in the form of film titles and actor roles in Indian cinema articles. Often months or dates will appear in the garbage he submits. He is quite prolific. Some examples:
- The Once Again Parents Meeting At Mathruka Nikethan Higher Primary School At 9th April 2018 At Karnataka Baiyappanahalli is alleged to be the name of a film.
- More alleged film titles: November 2012 As Travel Joiner Returns, Dussehra 2017 On Navratris, The Grihapravesh Pooja At 25th March 2018 At Karnataka Thambu Chetty Palya Bengaluru, etc. Under "Cast" he adds: "In Voice In Radio At Salman Khan, Asin, Chunky Pandey". WTF does "in voice in radio at" mean?
- Awards ascribed to fake titles April & May 2011 As Travel Joiner, etc.
I don't know if he's doing this by hand or has some mechanical assistance, but he's definitely got some kind of a system going on. Anyway, a long-term range block would be appreciated. I'm probably going to have to create some kind of informal LTA page on this guy. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- 103.252.25.32/27 has been blocked before; I'd like someone to check for proxying. Not that that really matters much for my block--given that the last one was for three months, I made this a one-year block. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Thanks for the assist! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Topic ban
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I was topic banned almost two years ago from witchcraft. I would like to appeal this ban. I haven't violated the ban. Once I made an edit but quickly reverted. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) If you could provide a link to the discussion that led to your ban, that would be helpful to those participating in the appeal discussion.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- User:Asterixf2 and Malleus Maleficarum (topic ban discussion) Asterixf2 (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- I do not plan to edit Malleus Maleficarum. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Generally speaking, it would also be helpful to express where you went wrong and show evidence of how you've behaved since the ban. Just saying "I want to appeal the ban" won't help anyone in determining if the ban is still necessary.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 06:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- I was editing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asterixf2#Malleus_Maleficarum(User_talk:Asterixf2#Malleus_Maleficarum permalink) when I met with the very persistent, strong and, as I see it, irrational opposition from user Ryn78 related to some specific points. This is the last version of the page without the controversial additions by Ryn78: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malleus_Maleficarum&oldid=749385708. The article has since deteriorated and the "Reception" section is still hidden in an html comment. Since that time I was not involved in any disruptive behavior or prolonged discussions. I failed to drop the stick. Asterixf2 (talk) 07:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- I was editing
- In attempting to present the case for lifting the ban, you have in fact presented the case for keeping it. You are still exhibiting one of the key attitudes that led to your ban: a conviction that you are RIGHT, and anyone who has a different view from you is "irrational". Also, despite being invited to "express where you went wrong" far from doing so you have dedicated most of your latest post to expressing how wrong you think another editor was. The only token gesture towards indicating that you know what you did wrong is the brief and unelaborated statement "I failed to drop the stick"; as far as that goes, it follows three sentences, together amounting to about ten times the length of that one, in which you express your view that you weren't wrong, and that the problem was another editor who was being unreasonable I'm not sure how you could better demonstrate that even after two years you have still not "dropped the stick", as you call it. In fact, you have done a remarkably good job of showing in a few short sentences that you still have exactly the attitude that led to the ban. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Following the imposition of the topic ban, the editor was absent for 18 months. Since their return to editing, they have worked on a few articles. One of those is Martin Delrio, an article clearly related to witchcraft. They have violated their topic ban by making six edits to this article this month. I am very concerned that they will resume and continue their disruptive behavior if they are allowed to edit witchcraft articles without restriction. I agree with JamesBWatson's analysis directly above. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- You are right. I reverted those changes. Article Delrio was the one I meant when I mentioned above the changes that I reverted. I simply forgot about the ban once again after starting this discussion. This is because I edit multiple language versions. All my changes were reverted by me. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- You reverted your substantive change regarding witchcraft only after I mentioned it here. How could you have "simply forgot" when you were editing that article in recent days? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- One change was reverted before I posted here, quickly after making the change when I recalled I was topic banned. When I recalled I was topic banned I appealed the ban. The other change was made after posting here. I have just lost my attention due to switching between language editions of wikipedia. :) Asterixf2 (talk) 10:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- You reverted your substantive change regarding witchcraft only after I mentioned it here. How could you have "simply forgot" when you were editing that article in recent days? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- You are right. I reverted those changes. Article Delrio was the one I meant when I mentioned above the changes that I reverted. I simply forgot about the ban once again after starting this discussion. This is because I edit multiple language versions. All my changes were reverted by me. Asterixf2 (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- I see JamesBWatson has helpfully expressed my thoughts better than I could. I agree with his assessment, and I oppose any relaxation of the topic ban. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Change in oversight team
In accordance with the Committee's procedure on functionary inactivity, the Oversight permissions of Keilana (talk · contribs) are removed. The Arbitration Committee sincerely thanks Keilana for her years of service.
For the Arbitration Committee, ~ Rob13Talk 16:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC) x-post: Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:06, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Peculiar use of talk page
Hello admins. Is there anything that can be done at Talk:Terry Hall (singer)? For several months an IP has been making comments about being the article subject's wife. Initially I interacted with the editor, and tried to explain how Wikipedia works (i.e. sources preferred over personal testimony), but I gave up when they started accusing me of destroying their marital status. Despite nobody else interacting with them, this anon editor is continuing to have a conversation (with themselves) about this matter, and the talk page has veered off, shall we say, into uncharted territory. I haven't posted this at ANI because I believe a bit of sensitivity is required with this matter, and I don't think it would particularly help to post the standard editor notification on their page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- (non-admin closure) I would recommend blocking the IP per WP:NOTFORUM. SemiHypercube ✎ 22:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
It is acceptable to clean up the talkpage by deleting the offendingnmaterial citing WP:NOTAFORUM and keep doing so until the IP gets the hint. Legacypac (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't feel confident that they will get the hint. The term obsessive springs to mind. Can the page not be protected also? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- No crystal ball is needed to see that hints will not be taken. I would have deleted the last section (Representations of his family) but others have replied. If deleting the stuff is considered undesirable, the page could be manually archived and further material repeatedly removed with occasional explanations on the current IP's talk. Johnuniq (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
As the IP account was making legal threats regarding the removal of this material, I have blocked it for a year. Nick-D (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think they were making legal threats as such - they had, supposedly, already contacted the British police and Home Office regarding this, with no impact on anyone here. But never mind. We shall have to see if they start using other IP accounts - they've used at least two so far. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Please check deleted contributions
- Special:Contributions/2602:302:D1A2:C740:4561:CE91:E430:80F7
- Special:Contributions/2602:302:D1A2:C740:B575:BA69:E4FE:32FF
They have tagged various pages for deletion (as well as requesting bans for some users), generally without providing any reason. Despite there not being any reason, Wesley Duncan was deleted for a while which I only found out by accident. Can an administrator check the deleted contributions from these IPs to see if any other pages have been deleted? Alexis Jazz (talk) 17:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- The only edit that is in either of their deleted contributions is to User:JocelynLPIA/sandbox/Jake Porter. ~ GB fan 17:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- @GB fan: thanks. That page is actually about https://jakeporter.org/meet-jake/. I don't know if he's within the scope of WP:NPOL and what was written on that page, but it may be useful. Alexis Jazz (talk) 17:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Cross-wiki effects?
If account creation is blocked on a certain IP in one wiki, does unified login prevent the creation of user accounts from that IP on any wiki or just the home wiki? DrKay (talk) 21:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Just the home wiki where the block is placed. It can also prevent automatic account creation on the home wiki where an account is previously created on another wiki. Global blocks (and global locks) affect all wikis. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Copyright problems with List of One Piece episodes (season 19) episode summaries
I just did a spot check of three recently added episode summaries[1] and confirm ed that they are word-for-word same as summaries on multiple other websites, a direct violation Wikipedia's copyright policy. Looking at the edit history of the list, this same IP range has added several other summaries that are very likely to be copyright violations as well. I have started a discussion at Talk:List of One Piece episodes (season 19)#Copyright violations about how to remedy the situation. —Farix (t | c) 21:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Have gone ahead and removed all episode summaries since it is clear that the majority of them were copied from other websites. Not sure if any revision deletion is needed. But should an edit notice be placed on the page at the very least? —Farix (t | c) 11:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
RfPP is backlogged
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I am going to start at the top of the list. If someone wants to start at the other end maybe we can meet in the middle. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
My user talk with Faux-nez !
Hello , I come here because I have a dilemma (according to your policy). As the problem is in french on enwiki, I am also looking for someone who speaks French to help me (miminum Fr-2). so...
Vous parlez donc en français pour lire un texte d'une IP (69.174.249.79) qui vient me demander sur ma page de discussion enwiki (User talk donc) de modifier une page sur frwiki. Il ne peut le faire puisque cette page est en semi-protection étendue (3 months and 500 edits). Mais pourquoi il vient m'écrire sur ma page anglaise ? Simplissime ! Cette IP ne fait que des modifications sur des entreprises sur enwiki et frwiki (je n'ai pas les outils pour contrôler tous les wikis). Je n'ai pas su faire un lien entre ces entreprises ou une société mère. Mais je suspecte fortement un Puppet (Faux-nez chez nous). Je pense que vous avez la même politique sur enwiki. Si c'est le cas un blocage global devrait être envisagé. Il doit utiliser un VPN. Probable qu'il ait utilisé plusieurs comptes et/ou plusieurs IP et qu'il vient me démarcher pour faire le "sale boulot". Plusieurs articles sont protégés du même vandale et la page w:fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Distribution aux Consommateurs devrait fortement vous intéresser. Les administrateurs de frwiki me lisent ici pour déterminer leur marche à suivre. D'ailleurs, un admin global ne serait peut-être pas superflu. Je donnerai une réponse vague demain sur ma user talk, en teneur :
- Bonjour 69.174.249.79 ,
- Tout d'abord merci pour le compliment. J'espère seulement que vous pourrez me lire avec une IP. Vous me parlez d'un article sur Wikipédia (francophone donc), vous pouvez m'écrire sur cette partie de Wikimedia, ici donc pour discuter en français. Alors rendez-vous là bas . Salutations.--~~~~
C'est bête, il ne savait pas à qu'il avait à faire "The best patroller in Wikimedia".
He only touched one page on frwiki, but there are already several articles in his history on enwiki. I let you decide and {{Reply to|Eihel}} because I can not follow all the discussions of all the wiki. Best regards. --Eihel (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- Courtesy translation:
An IP user (69.174.249.79) has come to my talk page on enwiki to ask me to change an article on frwiki. The IP can't do it because the page is "extended semi-protected" (3 months and 500 edits). But why write on my talk page on enwiki? Simple! This IP only edits articles about companies on enwiki and frwiki (I don't have the tools to check all the wikis). I wasn't able to link these companies to each other, nor find a parent company, but I stronly suspect a sockpuppet. I think you have the same policy on enwiki. If that's the case, a global lock should be considered. The IP must be using a VPN, has probably used many accounts and/or many IPs and is asking me to do their "dirty job". Many articles are protected from this vandal and the page w:fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Distribution aux Consommateurs on frwiki should highly interest you. The admins on frwiki will read this thread here to decide what to do next, and a global admin would probably be useful. I plan to answer the IP tomorrow on my talk page, something like:
- Hello 69.174.249.79. First, thank you for the compliment. I only hope that you'll be able to read this, being an IP. You are talking about an article on the French wiki, so you can write to me over there in French. So, see you there.
It's stupid, they didn't know they were dealing with "The best patroller in Wikimedia". .
- @Eihel and Isa: Je pense que je ne sais suffit Français pour vous aider, mais cette IP est certainement un sock puppet de w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline, et il est aussi un proxy ouvert. Je l'ai bloqué ici, et je demanderai des stewards pour un blocage global sur meta (regardez ici). Merci beaucoup.
- Bad translation of my bad translation: I think I don't know French well enough to help you, but this IP is definitely a sockpuppet of ConsumersDistributingonline, and is also an open proxy. I have blocked them here, and I will ask the stewards for a global lock on meta (see m:SRG). Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note that faux-nez in french means sockpuppet. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- "Fake nose" - wonderful! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- "Phony nose" is more funny. --YB ✍ 13:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- I figured it was just like eye dialect for "phony". Holden Caulfield would be ... well, not proud ... Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:59, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- "Phony nose" is more funny. --YB ✍ 13:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- "Fake nose" - wonderful! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Au cas où ça aiderait, Eihel, un bref survol des articles fréquemment visés révèle que la majorité sont des compagnies et marques liées à Quebecor (Shopping TVA, Vidéotron, MATV, SuperClub Vidéotron, TATV, etc), je serais 0% surpris que les comptes soient utilisés par un ou plusieurs employés de Québécor et/ou de la firme de gestion d'image qu'ils sous-contractent (potentiellement la même firme qu'Énergir). Ce qui saute aux yeux d'un québécois n'est peut-être pas aussi flagrant pour un européen alors je me permet d'ajouter mon petit commentaire ici, en espérant que je ne répète pas des conclusions auxquelles vous êtes arrivés depuis longtemps. :) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I am on enwiki, so I have to write in your language. So sorry for those who did not understand anything. I thank @Ivanvector, Isanae, L293D, and Salvidrim!: for their reading effort. I did it knowingly because the offense was in French. The English sysop should not make a mistake reading my User Talk. Ivanvector, I finally inform this request with the result given by the vandal on User Talk French. I completed your request to stewards by this last IP. For everyone, sockpuppet comes from the German Sockenpuppe. Francophones instead of talking about poupées prefer a more theatrical or carnivalesque term. Cordially. --Eihel (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Spelling error in template
There's a spelling error in the boilerplate template for extended-confirmed protection, you can see it at WP:RDM for examples, which says "unconversial" where it should say "uncontroversial". I'm as useful as tits on a bull here; if someone can find the source of the text and fix it, that'd be great. --Jayron32 18:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- That should do it, I think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Paul Allen dies at 65
Paul Allen just passed away. Article is probably going to be getting fairly busy, especially given that he was a Microsoft co-founder & owner of a couple pro sports teams. Just a heads up to everyone. --TheSandDoctor Talk 22:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Moving a user talk page back
In what looks like several good faith attempts to archive their user talk page, Idraulico liquido (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has moved the page several times. While I could swap the page back and tag the the redirects for deletion, I think this job is easier done by an admin. Sam Sailor 07:31, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. Idraulico liquido:Talk in main space needs deletion as well. Sam Sailor 07:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- The bulk of the history is at User talk:Idraulico liquido/2009-2018. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Protected Risperidone
New user was trying to edit war bolding into the article and has now switched to multiple IP accounts. I have protected the page for 10 days. As I have edit the article a fair bit before am posting here. People are well to change the protection as they wish. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Benchmarking
Hi, I'm an sysop on the French project. We deal with a specific situation and I'm looking for some type of "jurisprudence" in my own project and elsewhere in order to come up with a solution. We have a user that insults other users through Twitter. Our general policy is that we do not deal with issues that aren't taking place on fr:wiki and I guess this is also the policy here. Yet, the situation is very disruptive and it's really a case of "gaming the system". Hence I was wondering if you had specific examples where the en:wiki sysops decided to take action against a user for offwiki misbehaviour. Best regards--Kimdime (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- One that immediately springs to mind is this case, where an editor was banned for outing another user on their personal blog. I believe there have also been sanctions related to comments made on IRC. Black Kite (talk) 11:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, the official IRC server was long-considered "half-on-wiki" and kinda-ish like a sister project; a lot of on-wiki policies applied there as well and the reverse was true. I'm just saying it's quite different from a completely external service like Twitter. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Another well known example is this, where an admin was desyopped and banned for off wiki harassment (he later was unbanned after an arbcom appeal). I believe prolific editors Tarc and TDA were banned for similar reasons by arbcom.💵Money💵emoji💵💸 13:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank y'all :)--Kimdime (talk) 22:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Bon courage Kimdime, et ne laisse pas les trolls gagner. :) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank y'all :)--Kimdime (talk) 22:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Another thing to consider is the possibility of joe jobbing -- unless the user confirms on-wiki "yes, this twitter account is me", there could always be a possibility that whoever is tweeting might only be pretending to be the same person in order to implicate the editor. My way out of this is usually simple: if you say the Twitter account isn't yours, post a screenshot of you reporting the Twitter account for impersonation ;) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
All hands needed...
Please see IP Recent Changes. There's someone hammering random user talk pages. Any admin help in shutting this down as it happens will be most appreciated. Thanks. --Jayron32 16:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- That was different.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Watch for new hits at 939. — xaosflux Talk 17:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
To interested parties: I posted a technical question/proposal at WT:EF about a possible assist for this.[2] 173.228.123.166 (talk) 00:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, can an admin please check this AFD out as it appears an editor has been outed by an ip as they only declared their identity after the event. Also the ips mentioned there seem to be acting in concert and it is also suspiscious that the editor criticising the sources hasn't actually voted delete so perhaps they are all connected, thanks Atlantic306 (talk)
- There're no IPs in the edit history of that AfD, unless those edits have all been suppressed already. —Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 18:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, now I see it; I've redacted it for now. I'll be getting in touch with someone for RevDel. —Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 18:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- I've also redacted the info at Talk:Act 2 Cam and have contacted admins for RevDel. —Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 18:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306: please don't report outing here. Follow the instructions at WP:OVERSIGHT. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- ok, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Request for Block
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Hello! I have retired from Wikipedia, and I would like to request a block on my account. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 01:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Youtube is down
For your information, Youtube appears to be having a near-complete outage and it's generating heavy traffic on related articles, such as Susan Wojcicki, which has had to be protected. Guessing general vandalism will probably spike anyway since there will be many with nothing better to do for now. Home Lander (talk) 02:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. I thought it was a problem with my home network. Thanks for the heads up.--Jayron32 02:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- That is why I could not get anything to play in Canada. Legacypac (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- $10 says PornHub traffic is spiking right now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Works for me.[3] --Guy Macon (talk) 03:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Me too. L293D (☎ • ✎) 03:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- @MjolnirPants: It possibly did although probably not by an extreme amount www.pornhub.com /insights/youtube-outage] [4]. [5] may be of interest too. Nil Einne (talk) 08:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- $10 says PornHub traffic is spiking right now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- That is why I could not get anything to play in Canada. Legacypac (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Please evaluate the block of Did Nychypir
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I blocked today indef Did Nychypir. They registered and made just one edit: [6]. The edit is in a heated perennial discussion and is IMO inflammatory, not really addressing the arguments and merely making a political statement. We have plenty of such users, both from Russian and Ukrainian side, and these are commonly blocked indef per NOTHERE if they have no useful contribution or if all of their contribution consists of POV edits. As far as I know, I am the most active but not the only admin in this area. Subsequently, Hddty suggested on my talk page that the user should have been warned and not blocked. Whereas I did not find their arguments fully convincing, they have merit, and, indeed, it is quite possible that due to abundance of POV pushers (and socks} in the topic area my perception is distorted, and I block indef too easily. I think it would be good if the block gets scrutinized at this noticeboard, and I (or any other admin) unblock the user if there IS consesus to unblock. Note that I participation in the same discussion and accidentally voted differently from the user (which was not a factor in my consideration - I would have blocked as well even if we had the same opinion) but I did not strike their vote merely leaving a note that I blocked them.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) I think WP:NOTHERE should only be invoked if it's a series of edits, not a single edit which isn't much to go on. Sure the user could've been warned, but that's not necessary in WP:NOTHERE cases. However, I do think the block is premature just because it was based on a single edit and should've waited until the user made more edits, which would've demonstrated whether they would've continued editing in this pattern. If the block gets overturned, they can always get blocked again.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 09:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ah Ymblanter, where do I begin? To start off, if you are going to deliver block notice, let's use {{Uw-nothereblock}} instead of {{indefblocked}}, so technically the blocked user would be informed of how to appeal. In your block rationale, you mentioned "block evasion"; while I agree this is certainly is not a first account (more obvious by looking at Special:CentralAuth/Did_Nychypir), but did you have in mind what the master account could be? If not, it's probably better to approach more cautiously. I don't think this block is wrong, it's just done incorrectly. Alex Shih (talk) 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Alex Shih:, what in Special:CentralAuth makes you believe that this is not a first account? All new accounts (who don't come from another wiki-language) get these three additional local accounts at the same time as their enwiki account (see e.g. [7]), so I fail to see what aspect of that page makes it "more obvious" that this not a first account. Fram (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Fram: I am aware of that, thank you. A brand new account not connected to any other language projects navigating to a RM with 15 minutes of global account creation making a correctly formatted vote citing a policy with a piped link while using clear POV language. Certainly red flags, but like I said, this block is done incorrectly. Alex Shih (talk) 09:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Overturn (1) WP:NOTHERE should only be used if there is a pattern of edits (preferably a long-term pattern) that present clear evidence that the user does not intend to help WP. A single edit cannot show that no matter how bad it is. (2) You are WP:INVOLVED. You participated in this discussion and even voted opposing to the user in an editorial capacity. If sanctions were needed for this user you should have brought that here or to another admins attention. (3) While I think it is likely that this user has had a previous account, that doesn't necessary mean they are socking. For instance, this could be a WP:Clean start. Also some people read a lot of WP policies before posting anything and can appear to be an experienced user when they are in fact new. If you believe they are a sock of a specific user, go file an SPI, otherwise WP:Assume Good Faith. That means they fall under WP:Please do not bite the newcomers, and shouldn't have their first mistakes lead to an indef block without a warning. Give them a little rope, and if they really are as abusive as you suspect they will hang themselves. -Obsidi (talk) 00:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Overturn, would have been a bad block if an uninvolved admin had made it, and especially here as Ymblanter is clearly involved. Fram (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Overturn. What the hell, Ymblanter? You blocked merely because of a minority !vote in an WP:RM? Undo the block immediately, and restore the !vote if it has been blanked. No wonder outsiders hate Wikipedia. No wonder we lose so many newcomers. Softlavender (talk) 09:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks everybody for the feedback. I unblocked the user and will never block them again though I remain convinced that this is not a user in good standing.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps time to take more care with all your editing? Your edits right before the unblock were to Nikolai Rozenbakh and Nikolai von Rozenbach, which are now both redirects with the actual article deleted. Your edits right after the unblock were to turn Charyshkoye, Charyshsky District, Altai Krai into a redirect to itself, hours after creation, and to create Charyshkoye, Charyshsky District, Altai Krai. Why you couldn't simply move the other page to your preferred name is not clear. You then go and berate the editor of that page[8], for what was basically a small typo taken from a redlink (you make a big deal of his lack of "minimum standards of quality", but don't indicate anything that is wrong except the small typo). On the other hand, you give the locality a population of 8,815 while all sources, including the article you rejected, have the apparently correct number of 3097.
So surrounding the undo of your poor block, you deleted one article while trying to move it, created an article where a simple move would have been enough, turned the other article into a wrong redirect, berated the editor for it, and meanwhile changed correct population information to wrong information. Fram (talk) 11:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Concerning Nikolai Kurbatov, they just create stubs in a robot-like manner, which contain incorrect or partially correct information. For example, Tyumentsevo is not exactly a village, and it is a district center which they did not mention in the article. This is not the first time, and they know that but for some reasons continue to create dozens of such stubs. As for Rozenbakh, I will see now what happened.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Which hardly explains why you removed their correct information (with a small typo in the title), turned it into a redirect to itself, and created your own incorrect stub instead. That someone else may or not be a problematic editor (not in this case at least) is not an excuse to make enwiki actively worse. Fram (talk) 12:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I first created a stub (my workflow at the first stage leads to articles like Kosh-Agach and on the second stage like Nebolchi on the second stage). I then tried to liked it to the Russian article and discovered that the Russian article is already linked to a stub with an incorrect name. Well, at this stage one of them had to be turned into a redirect. My laptop died on Monday, and I am editing from amn ipad until (hopefully) tomorrow which indeed sometimes leads to stupid mistakes such as redirecting an article to itself (happened twice to me today and, as far as I remember, it never happened before), and this is unfortunate, but I am sure I would have discovered and fixed myself both today - the same as I have already fixed the population since it is in the workflow anyway. Now I obviously know that with two remaining redlinks for district centers of Altai Krai I have to be extra carefuland will check them before creating. Btw the user already created a duplicate of an existing article this week which I had to redirect to a correct article.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- You could easily have history merged the two (delete yours, move the older one, restore yours) instead of redirecting the older one to your new one. And it's hardly helpful to complain to an editor about their lack of quality standards without indicating what it is that they did or do wrong. You can't expect them to improve simply by stating that their work is not good enough, and even less so if you then produce work that is even worse. If you have problem editing with your ipad, then wait until you again have a better machine instead of making further errors regardless. Fram (talk) 12:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I can still merge the histories. I do not particularly care who created the article, as soon as it gets improved (and the current version is clearly an improvement). The user got sufficient feedback over time, and so far they listened, so that I expect them to listen this time as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- We'll have to disagree about the "clearly an improvement" then, the massive block of sources which are inaccessible to the vast, vast majority of readers, and not really indicate what they source in the first place (you now have three refs and two sources for a one-line stub) are an eyesore (never mind the 7 refs and two massive sources at something like Kosh-Agach, also a on-line stub). The only imporvement is the change from village to district center (oh, and can you please correct the 107 instances were you wrote "an rural locality"?) Fram (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I can still merge the histories. I do not particularly care who created the article, as soon as it gets improved (and the current version is clearly an improvement). The user got sufficient feedback over time, and so far they listened, so that I expect them to listen this time as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- You could easily have history merged the two (delete yours, move the older one, restore yours) instead of redirecting the older one to your new one. And it's hardly helpful to complain to an editor about their lack of quality standards without indicating what it is that they did or do wrong. You can't expect them to improve simply by stating that their work is not good enough, and even less so if you then produce work that is even worse. If you have problem editing with your ipad, then wait until you again have a better machine instead of making further errors regardless. Fram (talk) 12:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I first created a stub (my workflow at the first stage leads to articles like Kosh-Agach and on the second stage like Nebolchi on the second stage). I then tried to liked it to the Russian article and discovered that the Russian article is already linked to a stub with an incorrect name. Well, at this stage one of them had to be turned into a redirect. My laptop died on Monday, and I am editing from amn ipad until (hopefully) tomorrow which indeed sometimes leads to stupid mistakes such as redirecting an article to itself (happened twice to me today and, as far as I remember, it never happened before), and this is unfortunate, but I am sure I would have discovered and fixed myself both today - the same as I have already fixed the population since it is in the workflow anyway. Now I obviously know that with two remaining redlinks for district centers of Altai Krai I have to be extra carefuland will check them before creating. Btw the user already created a duplicate of an existing article this week which I had to redirect to a correct article.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Which hardly explains why you removed their correct information (with a small typo in the title), turned it into a redirect to itself, and created your own incorrect stub instead. That someone else may or not be a problematic editor (not in this case at least) is not an excuse to make enwiki actively worse. Fram (talk) 12:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive WP:POINTY page moves need to be reverted
An editor has moved multiple pages to make a point (after not getting their way when trying to change Allahabad to a new name (Prayagraj, a name that hasn't even been officially approved by the Government of India, and isn't even close to have become the common name in English for the city; as a minor side note the name change is also religiously motivated, and pushed through by the people behind the Babri Masjid demolition in the same city...). In addition to making a cut-and-paste move of Bangalore to Bengaluru (a c-a-p move since the article is move-protected), they moved Allahabad division to Prayag division, Allahabad district to Prayagraj district and History of Allahabad to History of Prayagraj, apparently editing the redirects afterwards since I couldn't revert the moves. And they were not good-faith moves, but obviously made to make a point (based on their editing history). So could someone please move them back again ASAP? And if possible also move protect those articles, because this is with all probability going to happen again... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 10:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Done (Non-administrator comment) Thomas.W the undiscussed controversial page moves have been reverted and move protection requested art WP:RFP. Please request future move reverts at WP:RMT.--DBigXrayᗙ 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- @DBigXray: Requesting it here saves time and energy (since it doesn't require posting on two different boards), it is also, in my experience, faster than requesting a technical move at WP:RMT... ;) - Tom | Thomas.W talk 11:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC) (and to make it even faster I have now requested extendedmover rights at WP:RFP/PM...)
- May be an Admin can add move protection. For the discussion on the rename topic, refer to the thread at Talk:Allahabad#Official_Name_Prayagraj_but_Common_Name_is_still_Allahabad --DBigXrayᗙ 10:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Move protected until there's a proper move discussion, along with Prayagraj. At the close of such a discussion, refer to this thread or ping me if necessary. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Is this a complaint about a specific editor? Is it Deprtcsa (talk · contribs)? If so they should be notified. EdJohnston (talk) 01:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: I didn't notify them, since there is nothing to discuss. A decision to change the name has been made by the state government of Uttar Pradesh, but the change won't become official until it has been approved by the central government of India (which could take anything from six months to eight years, since that's how long it has taken for previous name changes in other states to become approved). So it's not just a case of trying to uphold WP:COMMONNAME. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- On User:Deprtcsa's talk page, you said "Don't make any further disruptive edits like that, or you're in serious risk of getting blocked from editing Wikipedia!". That sounded to me like an assertion of bad behavior. Also, look at the header of this thread. EdJohnston (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- The undiscussed moves were both disruptive and pointy since they had already been politely told on their talk page not to change Allahabad to Prayagraj again (see talk page section above the warning I posted), and why. On top of that it was done on a day when not only Allahabad but also all other articles mentioning the name of the city were hit by swarms of IPs and new (or previously inactive) accounts repeatedly changing the name (see page history of the article...). They even made an utterly pointy cut-and-paste move of Bangalore to Bengaluru (an article that has nothing to do with Allahabad but was mentioned by me, as an example, in my previous post on their talk page), after finding they couldn't move it because of move protection. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 16:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- On User:Deprtcsa's talk page, you said "Don't make any further disruptive edits like that, or you're in serious risk of getting blocked from editing Wikipedia!". That sounded to me like an assertion of bad behavior. Also, look at the header of this thread. EdJohnston (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: I didn't notify them, since there is nothing to discuss. A decision to change the name has been made by the state government of Uttar Pradesh, but the change won't become official until it has been approved by the central government of India (which could take anything from six months to eight years, since that's how long it has taken for previous name changes in other states to become approved). So it's not just a case of trying to uphold WP:COMMONNAME. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Is this a complaint about a specific editor? Is it Deprtcsa (talk · contribs)? If so they should be notified. EdJohnston (talk) 01:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Move protected until there's a proper move discussion, along with Prayagraj. At the close of such a discussion, refer to this thread or ping me if necessary. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can we have an uninvolved admin judge the consensus in this MfD? It caused a lot of fighting while it was going on. But it needs to be closed (its been around for 10 days) now and has not been edited since the 14th. funplussmart (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
In what universe is that not a POLEMIC or BLP Violation? Saying "Trump is racist" (..." but it is an undeniable fact that he is corrupt,[21] dishonest,[22] untruthful, a racist, a misogynist, ...") is not allowed in Wikipedia, and it's funny in a way because I was "warned" about an American flag on my page, but this crap is allowed? Sir Joseph (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Eh, sometimes feelings are more important than policy. PackMecEng (talk) 19:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Or, in this case, policy is more important than feelings. --Calton | Talk 21:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- What's interesting even more is that 21 and 22 are opinion and polls. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:56, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well clearly, there was no consensus to delete and it would be wrong to close as delete as what, a supervote. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Y'all I'm going to reclose this and point you the way to WP:DRV if you disagree. Butting heads here won't change a thing.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- What's interesting even more is that 21 and 22 are opinion and polls. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:56, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey! I didn't get to bloviate before this got closed again! That's not fair! Wah! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- May i recommend a good COOLDOWNBOCK-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I can't help but wonder what the consensus would have been if he had said similar things about Hillary Clinton. Is there an "allowed if enough people agree with you" exception to WP:POLEMIC?
- (Full disclosure; I have equal animosity towards both major US political parties, and would like to see a green or libertarian elected on the principle of "it's time to be disappointed by someone new".) --Guy Macon (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I can't help but wonder what the consensus would have been if he had said similar things about Hillary Clinton
- You might just as well wonder what would happen if JzG were to sudden sprout butterfly wings and fly off to Mars, since such a thing would as equally likely or reality-based. For the "whataboutism" thing to work, you need an actual "about" to "what". --Calton | Talk 21:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Guy Macon: Fair point. I do recall that in the discussion an editor brought up the question of
Does anyone here belong to the group JzG describes?
I do feel like some of the "Keep" !votes may have been skewed by political beliefs, causing people to ignore the fact that the page straight up says"If you believe that a corporation can have a sincerely held religious belief, I think you're an idiot"
(no, really. Use Ctrl+F or a similar shortcut and search for it) which is an obvious violation of WP:POLEMIC. SemiHypercube ✎ 20:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Guy Macon: Fair point. I do recall that in the discussion an editor brought up the question of
- Pointing someone to WP:DRV when there is a clear WP:LOCALCON to violate a Wikipedia policy is rather unhelpful, as is closing down an active discussion about the violation of policy. The same local consensus that it OK to violate WP:POLEMIC that we saw at MfD will of course also be found at DRV. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. There was "no consensus" that policy is violated. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 20:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Two issues, 1 is POLEMIC, which is quite clear a violation. the 2nd issue is BLP, which is also quite clear a violation. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. There was "no consensus" that policy is violated. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 20:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
And now the DRV was closed. It's quite clear the biases of Wikipedia and it ultimately ruins Wikipedia, not helps it. Wanting people to not violate POLEMIC or BLP is now considered, "not dropping the stick." Sir Joseph (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Reopened this as obviously not closable.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Now at ArbCom, for those interested. Perhaps we can close this here now? If nothing else, ArbCom rules will force everyone to condense their comments into a certain number of words, so people won't say the same thing over and over and over and over, like they will if we leave this open here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Have the agreed to hear? This opening and closing is making me dizzy.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, FFS. I closed the DRV, as DRV is meant for examining an assessment of consensus, not to relitigate an MfD. Open another MfD, if you feel so inclined. FWIW, I personally think the best way out of this would be for JzG to just remove the material in question: a statement of personal views is useful from an "acknowledge your bias" perspective, but the level of detail here is unnecessary. Why the heck are we taking this to ARBCOM? We have not come close to exhausting the community's ability to handle this. Vanamonde (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, yes. We have tried an ANI post and MFD. Now we are off to ArbCOm.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
review of not block, please
CaptainCandor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) probably needs a WP:NOTHERE block, which I failed to perform because of my own political COI. Each and every edit. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
err, his, not mine.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hasn't made any egregious edits in article space since first being warned. Unless I'm misreading timestamps. I'd be inclined to wait and see if it has indeed stopped, and only block if it starts back up. But if it does start back up, just block indef to avoid a timesink. I'd say the same about someone relentlessly criticizing Democrats after creating their account; give them at least one chance to modify their behavior, but don't let them disrupt anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I'd just like to preemptively Endorse Dlohcierekim's possible block of this editor, just in case of any future shenanigans. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:05, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Floquenbeam: Sorry, I was looking at these edits as you posted this, but I came to a different conclusion. My initial reaction was the same, but then I saw their message on Dlohcierekim's talk page, and that was the clincher for me. If anyone thinks me too harsh, they are welcome to lift this without first consulting me. Vanamonde (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks y'all. I try not to let my politics get in the way of my judgement. Too much real life frustration.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Good block. This after being warned against adding polemical opinions into articles shows they're not going to be a constructive editor. Hut 8.5 21:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Request to copy history from draft to newly created article
Could an admin move the history from Draft:Spear Operations Group to Spear Operations Group? Someone directly created a new article by copying the text of draft I'd submitted, but they didn't move the page so none of my edits are there. I don't want my edits to be lost when the draft is cleaned up. - GretLomborg (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Question for admins
Is anyone else experiencing a longer than ususal lag when performing deletions within the last 24-48 hours? If it's just me, then it's probably karma for some misdeed I've perpetrated elsewhere. If not, I will make a note of it at WP:VPT.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Proposed topic ban for StreetSign
StreetSign (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been busy promoting a murder-related conspiracy theory without any reliable sources to back up his claims (A lot of his claims can be traced to articles/videos on Infowars and The Daily Mail). He is most active at Talk:Murder of Seth Rich, but has touched upon Mark Hausknecht and Lee Harvey Oswald.
He has received a DS alert.[9] Didn't change the behavior.
I propose a topic ban from all articles related to deaths or murders. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)