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::I admit my profanity was inappropriate, and the initial incivility on Guettarda's part is unfortunately but understandable, but I don't think ''accusing me of being autistic'' is appropriate with any provocation. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 22:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC) |
::I admit my profanity was inappropriate, and the initial incivility on Guettarda's part is unfortunately but understandable, but I don't think ''accusing me of being autistic'' is appropriate with any provocation. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 22:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC) |
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* Yeah, I agree with Finlay. Let's just see how the deletion review turns out and move on with editing. — '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 22:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC) |
* Yeah, I agree with Finlay. Let's just see how the deletion review turns out and move on with editing. — '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 22:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Pat8722 == |
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[[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Pat8722 blocked] {{user|Pat8722}} (a user conduct Rfc on Pat8722 can be found [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pat8722|here]]) indefinitely a few days ago for persistent violations of [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:CIVIL]], and [[WP:NPA]]. After comments from two administrators on this page stating that perhaps, instead of an indef block, we should simply keep an eye on Pat8722 for now, the block was removed. Today, Pat8722 began editing again for the first time since the block was removed. Pat8722 has labelled a legitimate edit as "vandalism" ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temporomandibular_joint_disorder&curid=30707&diff=66704699&oldid=66589289]) and made accusations of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATemporomandibular_joint_disorder&diff=66764899&oldid=66742352 bad faith] in the course of merely arguing a point over content and policy, instead of sticking only to the relevant issues. Pat8722's edits today have done nothing to indicate he deserves the good faith Knowledge Seeker extended toward Pat8722 in removing the block. I encourage another admin to look into Pat8722's conduct (especially his recent personal attack on [[User:Davidruben]], which is detailed at the bottom of the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pat8722|user conduct rfc]]). · <font color="#013220">[[User:Jersyko|j·e·r·s·y·k·o]]</font>'' <font color="#465945" size="1">[[User talk:Jersyko|talk]]</font>'' · 00:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Also of note is Pat8722's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKnowledge_Seeker&diff=66701224&oldid=66495787 response] to Knowledge Seeker on Knowledge Seeker's talk page. · <font color="#013220">[[User:Jersyko|j·e·r·s·y·k·o]]</font>'' <font color="#465945" size="1">[[User talk:Jersyko|talk]]</font>'' · 00:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Off-Wiki Harassment and Legal Threats
I'm currently having a few problems with harassment with regards to the article Actuarial Outpost. I was advised by User:WAvegetarian to bring my concerns here.
First, and by far most importantly, one wiki user (64.7.136.166) is gathering the IP addresses of those who disagree with him and using that information to harass people at work. For proof of this see [1] and [2].
Second, some of the comments made to me by User:Avraham in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith appear to bump up against the policy on legal threats.
I have some other concerns (regarding false sock puppet accusations), but they are less important, and don't need to be covered here. Thank you. SkipSmith 01:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Firstly, please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Avraham_sockpuppet_case. Secondly, Wikipedia:No legal threats#Copyright and slander allows for a response to perceived defamation. Also, I never made a threat that I would do something; rather I was pointing out the seriousness of his accusations and how, as I worte in my edit summaries, he had "crossed a line" from mere trolling to something more egregious. Thankfully, in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith, user:SkipSmith clarified that I had nothing to do with the harrasment, whereupon I promptly removed the {{defwarn}} as can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASkipSmith&diff=65813822&oldid=65797242 Lastly, the person which he claims has harraased him does not have a wiki account to my knowledge, as can be seen from this diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Actuarial_Outpost&diff=next&oldid=53950210 and no one argues that Glenn was the only webmaster at that time. Thank you. -- Avi 02:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I guess we can talk about the sockpuppet case too, although this might not be the place for it:
- (1)I was accused of filing a sockpuppet case in retaliation for Avraham's case, but a simple check will reveal that my case was actually filed first, and his was in retaliation. Notice the line "I was hoping I would not have to do this, but Skip's accusation forces me down this road." in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith.
- (2) The accusation by investigators that my case was filed in bad faith violates a wikipedia norm: Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith --- I actually compiled a plausible case if anyone bothered to read it. I might be wrong about the sock puppetry, but assuming I did it in bad faith is out of line.
- (3) In Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith Avraham listed every account besides mine who disagreed with him on Actuarial Outpost as a sock puppet. All were blocked, including one of my work IP addresses where I was not logged in but clearly identified myself (in other words, clearly not a sock puppet). It is true that other accounts only edited Actuarial Outpost once or twice --- I believe the off-wiki harassment I documented above accounts for this.
- (4) I'm not the only one who thought Avraham was making a legal threat in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith; User:WAvegetarian was also concerned, as you can see on my talk page.
- (5) Not having a wiki account does not excuse off-wiki harassment. Could we possibly block that IP address or take some other action to discourage this user from this behavior?
- Thanks. SkipSmith 05:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I guess we can talk about the sockpuppet case too, although this might not be the place for it:
- Why does it matter if he said this?
- Look very carefully at the case you created, Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Avraham: you have not cited any evidence of your accusation. It is only inclined by you that such things happened.
- I'm sorry, but, oh, I don't believe a word of that. That is not off-wiki harassment. That does not put you in any danger whatsoever.
- "That is grounds for a libel and slander suit." — I do not feel that this is a legal threat; of course, this is my interpretation. I believe you are over exaggerating the phrase.
- What are you talking about? And what user?
- Hello. Let me address your questions in order.
- (1) My first point addresses your assumption that my sock puppet accusation was in bad faith, and was in retaliation for Avraham's sock puppet accusation. The times the cases were filed and that statement by Avraham show that his case was actually the retaliatory case.
- (2) It is simply untrue that I provide no evidence of my accusation, as anyone who bothers to read the accusation will see. At the minimum, I provided at least as much information as Avraham did in his case against me.
- (3) My third point is not related to the off-wiki harassment, but is rather related to the sock puppet case against me --- I have already stated above it is a user other than Avraham that is engaged in the off-wiki harassment. This point was pointing out another flaw in the sock puppet case against me. I mentioned the off-wiki harassment as the reason why some users edited just once and then never returned.
- (4) On the legal threats, I was actually going to let this slide until User:WAvegetarian was troubled by it. Perhaps we are both exaggerating the phrase, but with two people concerned by it might be worth discussing.
- (5) See my original concern with off-wiki harassment at the top of this section. Someone is taking user IP addresses from wikipedia and using them to harass people at work. Did you actually read and investigate my concerns here, or did you just jump in to belittle me and defend Avraham?
- Based on the tone of the response to my legitimate concerns here, I suspect User:Kilo-Lima is not impartial in this matter. Incidentally, User:Kilo-Lima is also the one who accused me of acting in bad faith with my sock puppet case against Avraham, and endorsed Avraham's case against me without investigating. I believe we need someone impartial to investigate my concerns. Thank you. SkipSmith 20:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hello. Let me address your questions in order.
- (2) Suspected sock puppet cases require diffs in order for an administrator to view and determine. You have not done so. Yes, and I agree now, that you have added evidence, but this is only in the form of quotes. It would be easier to add a diff. Iolakana|T 11:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi again. I think I know the point of confusion now. Since I'm fairly new to wikipedia, I didn't know the procedure to ask for a sock puppet investigation, so all I did first was put a sockpuppet warning on User:Avraham's talk page without formally filing a case. Someone (you?) deleted it for having no evidence. Thus, I went back and read the actual rules for filing sockpuppet suspicions, and filed it formally with evidence as you now see. Could it be that you confused my earlier abortive attempt to file the case with the actual case I filed above, leading to your suspicions of bad faith? There was nothing in the instructions I read about using diffs, but I certaintly could have --- thanks for the tip in case I ever need to file a case in the future. However, I think this sock puppet case has already done more harm than good to the discussion on Actuarial Outpost, so I doubt I'll pursue it further.
- However, one thing I do want to pursue is doing something about the off-wiki harassment by 64.7.136.166. Is there any recourse to prevent this user from looking up IP addresses on wikipedia and faxing threats to people at work? Thanks. SkipSmith 06:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
edit/revert war on International reactions to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
Hi, There is an edit war happening in International reactions to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. War is over inclusion of AIPAC reaction to a House Resolution. Various accusations are being thrown around by Comrade438 eg. im being accused of trying to paint a "zionist conspiracy". Been a few silly edits, and comments, along with what might be a threat. Its degenerated to Comrade438 blocking the page on his own volition without consulting WP:RPP, then reverting last changes. Tried citing his talk with vandalism notices and reporting the vandalism (which he then accused me of) but they sent me here. I dont believe its a content issue. 82.29.227.171 03:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- This appears to be resolved, user has not responded on talk page and a 3rd user introduced a compromise. Thanks. 82.29.227.171 14:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nope he/she is back deleting the information again [3] comment says: "Moved AIPAC reaction to section involving House and Senate resolutions" when in fact he/she just deletes it. This deletion is despite more evidence supporting the edit appearing [4]. Reported him/her for a 2nd time for vandalism [5] 82.29.227.171 12:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
User:Ste4k's attempt to get all talk history deleted though complex move operations and manipulation
More attempts to confuse editors and the RfC against her. She has moved the talk page to the user page, then back, then to another user's name, then to a subpage User:Rrock/stuff, then wrote over that page with a unix man page. This also deleted all reference to User talk:Ste4k/Archives of first three weeks
By moving the page, getting an admin to delete the page she has covered this up, and currently wants the pages speedy deleted to do a final cover up, and look like she never existed. The user she moved to she claimed was her "husband" (who challenged me to a fight in the RfC}.
User has a history of deliberate deception.
So, when does the communities patience |run out? --mboverload@ 02:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Uhm, excuse me bud, but, your talkin about my account here. Any reason you makin a big deal out stuff without tellin me first? Rrock 02:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Uhm, by the way, what you mean by "rfc against her. She told me that rfc was spozed to be helpin her. you got bad faith or sumpn? Rrock 02:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh and by the way, you'd better get your facts straight, especially when bothering admin's on a notice board. I hear that people on WP frown on trouble-makers. If you've got an issue with my account, then send a me a message in my talk space. Rrock 02:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- You are either using deceptive methods to hide and destroy another users talk page or you are using deceptive methods to hide and destroy your own talk page. Either way, I recommend blocking both accounts (at least 48 hours so we can talk about this) and reverting the moves; also post this at Ste4k's RFAR. Thatcher131 (talk) 02:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- The arbitration committee looks at all sides when user conduct is before arbitration. Ste4k would not be the first person who brought a case only to find herself at the wrong end of the hammer. I urge you both to calm down and play by the rules while you still have the chance. Thatcher131 (talk) 02:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your overwriting the Talk page with other content was a deliberate attempt to hide Ste4k's Talk page. You could be blocked for disruption just as easily as he could be. I suggest you not help him do something like that again. I have moved it back by the way. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Both are the same user, rrock is a sockpuppet --mboverload@ 02:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Thats a pretty serious charge, you'd better have some data to back it up. How about you show me that right here. Rrock 02:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Don't tempt me. Thatcher131 (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
i was talkin to the other guy. i sent you a note. Rrock 02:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Contents of the note: She wont be back. Rrock 02:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- That's pretty convient --mboverload@ 02:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What are you sockpuppet yourself? Why are you talkin for that other guy, huh? Rrock 02:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
A meat puppet is also a puppet. —Quarl (talk) 2006-07-29 02:53Z
lol, whatever. Rrock 02:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- move to block indef as having exhausted the community's patience, for both accounts. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
i think i already said that, but you've got it backwards. later. Rrock 03:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
As expected, checkuser confirms they are the same user. Indefblock the sock and decide what to do with the puppetmaster. If the checkuser result is needed for the RfAr, I can provide it to the AC. Essjay (Talk) 03:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have to go through an RfAr?.... *chokes himself* --mboverload@ 03:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- No block? *gets out a posioned knife dipped in Dart frog posion and smeared with feces* --mboverload@ 03:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Essjay likes to stay out of disputes by blocking the socks but letting the community decide what to do with the main accounts. It's not a bad policy, and it's probably the only way he can run checkuser without redlining his stress levels. Thatcher131 (talk) 03:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- No block? *gets out a posioned knife dipped in Dart frog posion and smeared with feces* --mboverload@ 03:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
After years on the internet I have never seen someone with this kind of behavior change for the better. Although it is possible, I think it is highly unlikely. Ste4k has exhausted almost everyone involved with him/her and run others off of WP. I think Ste4k should be permanently blocked. If not, they will just return later (and smarter) and this will all start up again but will be harder to spot.—Who123 03:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I guess the question is: Who's going to do it? Who's going to rid us of this demon? --mboverload@ 08:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not me, obviously. I don't think the problem is unfixable. Just zis Guy you know? 09:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- You truly honestly think this user is ever going to change? Their response to the RfC shows this user will never alter. --mboverload@ 10:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I did think so, yes, having had several quite civil exchanges with her by email. But it is now moot, I guess. Just zis Guy you know? 15:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- You truly honestly think this user is ever going to change? Their response to the RfC shows this user will never alter. --mboverload@ 10:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not me, obviously. I don't think the problem is unfixable. Just zis Guy you know? 09:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
2006-07-29 03:15:21 Rebecca (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Ste4k (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (per ANI) [6] —Quarl (talk) 2006-07-29 17:01Z
- Yay. Attention: Rebecca now has balls. She may not of had them before, but she does now =D --mboverload@ 23:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ambi/Rebecca/whatever's always had balls ... figuratively, at least. --Cyde↔Weys 06:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I tried to get somebody to talk to User:Lingeron above, but received no luck. She is starting to troll pretty much every anarchism-related article, now. She just did a wholesale revert of anarcho-capitalism back to God knows what version, with the pleasant edit summary of: I'm reverting back to the actual article. Blah and Aaron, you are getting brought on your POV pushing and the destruction you are doing to this article. Keep you vandalistic hands off of it. My, my. :| Somebody, please, talk to her. She won't listen to me or any other editor whom she disagrees with. --AaronS 04:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The user Lingeron (talk • contribs • count) has been warned by user:Bishonen [7] and myself. [8] I'd like to see a checkuser run to substantiate or disprove the sock allegation made, though. ++Lar: t/c 11:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Lar, pending the checkuser request, the user is a pretty obvious reincarnation of a permanently blocked user. At the very least, the summaries and contents are identical, and we can presumptively block given the abuse that brought her here. Geogre 13:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm fixing to go to wp:rcu to make the request. The beseiged volunteers at checkuser can only reject the request. Geogre 14:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. --AaronS 15:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- No need for CheckUser. CheckUser requests that we handle obvious socks without bothering them; this is an obvious Thewolfstar sock. The account pretends to be a new user, using the "clever trick", typical of Thewolfstar socks, of "ignorantly" asking how to sign talkpage entries. Yet it made a beeline for RFA, a sure sign of an experienced user, and generally knows its way around. It displays the same very unusual political interests profile as Thewolfstar, the identical unique aggressiveness, the same disintererest in article editing and the same ranting on talkpages. Also some telltale turns of phrase. And have people noticed the Bishonen angle? It knows and hates me (who originally blocked Thewolfstar indefinitely), and obviously followed my contributions to User talk:MSTCrow, a good place to rant. Bishonen | talk 17:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC).
- Note: I have indefinitely blocked user:Lingeron as an obvious reincarnation of permanently blocked user user:thewolfstar. I invite any suspicious administrators or anyone wishing to review the block to take a look at the contributions and/or seek a checkuser. Geogre 22:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Fairly obviously I would think, I completely support this block. Please note bias on my part though, as Lingeron has been participating (in a way that I find not at all helpful) in User:Phaedriel's RfA... ++Lar: t/c 22:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Geogre, I sincerely request that you make a case for why this user is "obviously" a sockpuppet of Thewolfstar. They don't bear any resemblance in my opinion, other than that you might not care for the both of them, but I don't think that alone qualifies as sufficient evidence. I really hope I am wrong but it looks to me like you have just committed the worst wiki-sin: permanently blocking a good faith contributor under false charges. — GT 03:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Struck per Lingeron section below. — GT 21:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Handle this situation - going to bed
All these articles are cut and paste jobs, but someone needs to explain it to the user. I have to sleep, so if someone can pick up where I left off...
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCF_%28RN%29_The_Rule_of_the_Road
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCF_%28RN%29_Seamanship
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCF_%28RN%29_Tides_and_Charts
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCF_%28RN%29_Lights_and_Bouys
See the user's logs, there are probably more and there are more being created every few minutes --mboverload@ 10:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi - yes - I've explained this to Kchase - I'm just transferring a bunch of articles from my own website onto Wiki. Siepmann 10:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- What ever happened to "Don't bite the newbie?". Nobody bothered to add a welcome message for this user. If I had so many people criticizing me on my talk page when I started, I'd never would have spent the time to understand how things work. Without links in the welcome message, how can we expect people to learn what to do? Welcome messages should ALWAYS be the first thing on the top of a talk page unless the first contributions are obvious vandalism. -- Samuel Wantman 07:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
RickK
I am back, under the name Rick Kernigan. Please reinstate my admin powers. Rick Kernigan 13:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Can you produce some evidence to back up this claim, please? i.e. posting from you former account? Regards, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 13:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am Hephaestos who requests his admin powers reinstated. Please AGF. John Gunnar Robinson 13:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Yyyyyyyyeah. You just hold still, and we'll restore you right away. Geogre 13:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Don't forget Bureaucrat and CheckUser! :) TigerShark 13:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Why would you need that? Just posting on WP:ANI causes you to be magically sysopped!!!! ViridaeTalk 13:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I of course am Cyde (talk · contribs) and am now in need of an emergency resysoping due to an unplanned name change--Joe Liberace 16:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, you're not. But you are .... blocked. --Cyde↔Weys 06:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I of course am Cyde (talk · contribs) and am now in need of an emergency resysoping due to an unplanned name change--Joe Liberace 16:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Why would you need that? Just posting on WP:ANI causes you to be magically sysopped!!!! ViridaeTalk 13:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Unlikely. RickK still has access to his old account. AGF is not a suicide pact. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
No, admin me! -- I am RickK and so is my wife 17:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I am Essjay come back under a different account, and I request admin, bureaucrat, checkuser, oversight, and boardvote access. --Jayess 19:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
German userbox solution
A number of templates were tagged for speedy deletion today, citing WP:GUS (an example is Template:User gay). I am not very familiar with the GUS, but from an initial review it appears that redirects should be kept. Certainly all of the templates still have pages linking to them (mainly discussion pages, rather than user pages). For now, I have removed the speedy tags, but would appreciate it if somebody with more knowledge of GUS could review this. Thanks TigerShark 13:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- (bias disclosure:PRO-USERBOXES) There have been a series of out-of-the-ordinary processes going on with userboxes for quite sometime, from deletions, salting, speedy this-is and speedy that-is. Thousands of userpages have been altered via the use of Template:User GUS UBX to replacing userboxes that people have moved to userspace, then replacing the hard redirect with that soft redirect. I recently created a category to clean this up at Category:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. A small team of editors have been updating pages that have the GUX UBX to template, to the redirect. More discussion on this can be found at Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. Once the replacements have been completed, many of the original templates (the soft redirects with no edit history other than the soft redirect replacing the hard redirect after the move) have been getting speedy deleted. When deleting these, I've been utilizing WP:CSD#G6 as "Userbox since migrated to userspace under [[WP:GUS]] which now has no incomming links, and is a cross namespace redirect or a redirect to a deleted page. ([[WP:CSD#G6]] - housekeeping deletion)". There are currently 102 templates left in this category. Some of them will not be workable under this housekeeping task (see the category talk re ist->ism template redirects). — xaosflux Talk 13:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- WP:GUS is a loose alliance of editors and admins from various factions of the Great Userbox War. {{User GUS UBX to}} is a tool to manage migrating userboxes from templatespace to userspace. Category:Wikipedia GUS userboxes was created because many editors/admins ignored the soft redirect's recommended usage: "As part of the German userbox solution to userboxes in template space, use this template on a REDIRECT page after all of the pages on "What links here" have been linked to the new "User:" page." Some admins (we all know who you are ;-) just ignore process completely and delete more-or-less empty redirects, others, like Xaosflux, try to create a reasonable process where nothing much exists. A CSD like "Rx - Empty redirect." should work too. Rfrisbietalk 14:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- A similar process has been going on with userbox list pages in the Wikipedia namespace, often without tagging the pages as CSD. I've attempted to dialogue with the responsible admins about these deletions not meeting the noncontroversial test of G6, but, once I make my point, I usually get silence. I think any CSD application about the userbox issue is frought with peril. The consensus in the community is not settled, and for that reason, deletion efforts that don't fit with crystal clarity into one of the CSD should be put up for deletion. --Ssbohio 15:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, and if the deletions AFTER REPLACEMENT have not seemed to garnish any complaints about the loss of the page, just the process used, if we are running the process just for the sake of the process, it may be time to (suspenseful music plays) not follow the process. — xaosflux Talk 16:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- A similar process has been going on with userbox list pages in the Wikipedia namespace, often without tagging the pages as CSD. I've attempted to dialogue with the responsible admins about these deletions not meeting the noncontroversial test of G6, but, once I make my point, I usually get silence. I think any CSD application about the userbox issue is frought with peril. The consensus in the community is not settled, and for that reason, deletion efforts that don't fit with crystal clarity into one of the CSD should be put up for deletion. --Ssbohio 15:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
There will be no last hurrah for userboxes. Everything is proceeding as it should, and a few non-admins urging a strict adherence to process aren't going to follow it. I'd never thought I'd see Xaosflux say "Fuck process", but there it is. Given that, I'd say this issue is pretty much over. I'm fulfilling my responsibility to delete T1 userboxes just as everyone else is fulfilling theirs to redirect inclusions from Template: to userspace. --Cyde↔Weys 16:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Speaking of process... Just because you've been screwed, it doesn't mean you can't be a virgin all over again! [9] Rfrisbietalk 20:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
It appears this was prompted by the template pages that I tagged last night. I just want to say that the pages I tagged had no transclusions (actually, I fixed the few that were transcluded) at the time of tagging. This isn't about deleting userboxes, this is about deleting unused redirects. —Mira 19:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- But there were incoming links (e.g. Template:User gay). Not sure if this is a problem, but there are being "used". Cheers TigerShark 07:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Whenever possible, links like those should be bypassed, but sometimes a red link tells the story just as well. Rfrisbietalk 20:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Taking that page as an example, I count ten pages with incoming links. One is the list of userboxes, which is so out of date (and huge) that I don't find updating it to be worthwhile. One is from WP:DRV and I don't think that it should be changed. One is a complaint about the userbox being used as vandalism. Two are links where the box was used as a random example. And five are messages or notes relating to the bypassing and deletion of the page. I suppose they could be redirected, but I don't personally find that to be a worthwhile excercise. —Mira 00:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Whenever possible, links like those should be bypassed, but sometimes a red link tells the story just as well. Rfrisbietalk 20:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Posting Personal Information
User:Hillman has posted numerous pieces of personal information regarding my possible identity IRL. While posting and tracking edits is one thing, Hillman has posted conjecture regarding my identity including personal information, work information, and other information that is irrelevant to his "concerns". The page that targets me is at: User:Hillman/Dig/Langan. According to WP:BP:
- Users who post what they believe are the personal details of other users without their consent may be blocked for any length of time, including indefinitely, depending on the severity of the incident, and whether the blocking admin feels the incident was isolated or is likely to be repeated. This applies whether the personal details are accurate or not.
I would appreciate it if an admin would remove this personal and irrelevant info from the page and issue a warning to Hillman. Note that Hillman's request for a checkuser for DrL was denied as I did not violate any policy. This dig page came on the heels of that. Thanks. DrL 19:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Related context:
There will be related talk page threads around, but I don't feel like wading through the morass to find them.
The upshot is that DrL (talk • contribs) and a small number of other editors have been aggressively creating articles relating to a particular fringe science theory and a particular fringe organization. Hillman (talk • contribs) has been aggressively sifting Wikipedia and "whois" databases for evidence of alleged sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and conflicts of interest. This information has been posted on a page in Wikipedia user space, which DrL objects to. To the best of my knowledge, neither user has tried WP:DR with respect to these concerns (editing with an agenda and compiling of user information), with much drama occurring instead. --Christopher Thomas 19:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- That is simply not true! Any edits that I made were done in good faith and with NPOV. I strongly object to personal information being posted, particularly irrelevant information and links to one's supposed place of employment. It's positively Orwellian. I would love to resolve this dispute and I thought that I was doing the correct thing by posting here. If I am supposed to request dispute resolution in another way, please let me know how to do so. Thanks. DrL 19:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I've pointed you at WP:DR many times. That spells out very clearly what the proper methods for resolving disputes are, and how to execute them. --Christopher Thomas 18:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- For those who like to Wikilawyer, see "Keeping notes" on the Iloveminun "Proposed decision" page. Four members of ArbCom have signed their agreement to the proposition "It is acceptable to make a subpage to keep notes which document another user's behavior. Care should be taken to keep a factual record which avoids personal attacks on your own part." No oppose votes or abstentions to date. In fact, Minun (a.k.a. Iloveminun) is likely to be banned for attempting to destroy a page containing such notes. Now that I've said all that, I suggest it would be better to keep all discussion on this matter on the MfD page linked above, which is already filling up with argumentation. (I already posted this information there, too, in reply to a query by User:Stifle.) Anville 03:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This complaint is quite apart from the Hillman's MfD. Hillman's page on me goes well beyond factual data and contains irrelevant personal info. That need to be addressed, particularly when the subject of such "documentation" is a good faith user being targeted by a questionable source. DrL 19:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
(Merged duplicate thread.)
One User:Hillman seems to be posting personal information on User:Hillman/Dig/Langan about other users. See Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-30 Hillman posting personal information for more information. --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 19:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Looks like it, yeah. As per my usual routine: Anyone posting other people's personal information without their consent should be banned indefinitely as a hazard to other editors. --FOo 19:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This is already being discussed above, at #Posting Personal Information. Jayjg (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Can someone please ban this user User:Hillman and edit or revert the page to something that does not speculate about my job, where I live, my place of employment and include irrelevant reposts of teen drug abuse and attacks on my character? DrL 19:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Acadamenorth (talk · contribs)
This editor had an article about his micronation speedily deleted and protected from re-creation. Instead of filing a deletion review, the editor is complaining to me and several others in a very insulting, abusive, and arrogant tone we are trying to offer help. S/he is on other users' user talk pages calling them "anti-socialist" and "10-year-old swashbucklers" (examples: User talk:Fan-1967, User talk:RidG, User talk:Friday), and has blanked his/her user talk page. The user also happens to have a history of abusive edits and vandalism. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 19:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I've moved this from WP:PAIN because I've never used either of these before (never had to), and felt that it was more appropriate here because of the editor's history. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 19:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have left a note. I notice that User:Friday has had a run-in with this editor as well, and may have insight into the problem. Jkelly 19:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I have to admit to being a little confused, though. I've never before been insulted by being called a swashbuckler. Is it considered a derogatory term somewhere? I always thought it meant a character in an old Errol Flynn movie. Fan-1967 22:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have left a note. I notice that User:Friday has had a run-in with this editor as well, and may have insight into the problem. Jkelly 19:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Looks like this editor is up to no good again. I've left a {{npa3}} warning on his talk page, but I don't think s/he is going to stop. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 19:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- He blanked his user talk page again. I restored the warning and applied a {{wr}} tag. This is getting ridiculous. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 23:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Abuse of deletion power
User:Zoe speedied the article on Jeanpaul Ferro even though it pretty plainly wasn't a speedy candidate, as the mirrors show [10]. When he complained, she suggested he recreate and revise the article. [11] After he did, she deleted it again without explanation, protected the deletion, and left an uncivil, taunting message on the user's talk page. [12] This behaviour is completely inappropriate. Even the most superficial Google search shows that the subject is a poet extensively published (mostly in obscure but not trivial magazines, like most current poets), and if Zoe questioned his notability she should have sent it to AfD, not speedied it without explanation and treated the subject abusively (and abuse is a common complaint about User:Zoe, valid or not). Since Zoe has eradicated the article and its history, the subject's claim not to be the original author can't be tested directly, but Zoe didn't dispute it, so it's probably true. VivianDarkbloom 20:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- So, the person's first name is not Jean Paul but Jeanpaul? The author never thought of using WP:DRV? The author never bothered to answer the other questions about the article, like its being a violation of WP:AUTO? Hopping in here like this isn't very persuasive at this point. Let's try the regular channels. Deletion Review will get a thorough consideration. Geogre 20:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Although Zoe was obviously acting in good faith it seems fairly clear that this shouldn't have been a speedy deletion, so I've undeleted it and sent it to AFD. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 21:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Really, this should be WP:DRV rather than an automatic AfD. We don't go from deleted to speedy deleted to AfD unless there has been a deletion review step in between. This is just for future reference. Geogre 21:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did consider sending it to WP:DRV but the problem there is that many of the participants, not being admins, can't see the content of the article being discussed. Since the article was pretty unambiguously not a speedy deletion candidate, I thought undelete+afd was the most sensible result. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 08:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Really, this should be WP:DRV rather than an automatic AfD. We don't go from deleted to speedy deleted to AfD unless there has been a deletion review step in between. This is just for future reference. Geogre 21:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm getting awfully tired of my admin actions being overturned without discussion by the admins involved. What happened to the zero revert rule and avoidance of wheel warring? TALK TO ME, DAMMIT!!!!! (sorry I got so testy, but this is the third time this has happened in two days, by three different admins). User:Zoe|(talk) 02:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- And please see User talk:Jferro67. I see absolutely no sign of abuse there, whatsoever. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that my action has upset you, Zoe, but I nevertheless think it was the right call -- and, of course, I took care to notify you of my actions on your talk page, so although I didn't feel it necessary to wait for your approval, it's wrong to suggest that I didn't 'talk to [you], dammit'. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 07:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It's the third time it's happened in two days and she wonders why? This administror has harassed me for allegedly vandalizing articles that I either have not contributed to or have contributed to so minimally that my impact on them would be completely negligible. Also, cohorts of hers have heavily vandalized the First Family of the United States article, removing whole sections on First Families without any reason given at all. Please see this article. This administrator should be banned for what is clearly a consistent abuse of power. History21 05:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)History21
- Just so you're aware, that entire post was one gigantic violation of Wikipedia:Civility. Please review the applicable policy before posting on Wikipedia again as you may have missed it the first time. Thank you. ~Kylu (u|t) 06:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- User:History21 is on his last legs at Wikipedia as a result of his repeated hoaxing involving the Eyre/Heller/Peters family. He is one of three users/sockpuppets I have admonished in this manner, and he's decided to attempt to blacken my reputation as a result of this warning. I have no cohorts, so far as I know, and have no interest in or knowledge of any edits to the First Family of the United States article, save that all three of the User accounts I have admonished about hoaxing have edited it. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your cohort is apparently me. I reverted his changes to the first family article with the caveat that I would not remove anything that he inserted with reliable sources. He included some links that I have not verified in his most recent attempt to edit the article, and as such I did not remove his contributions on sight. I will go over his sources shortly. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This user persistently uses Wikipedia discussion pages as a means to advocate, propagate, and debate her political beliefs, as though they are mere blogs, thereby disrupting the editing process and violating Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia's talk page guidelines. For evidence, one only needs to check some of her recent contributions, particularly her ones to Talk:Anarchism and Talk:Anarcho-capitalism. I've told her on several occassions that her use of disucussion pages for general political debate is unacceptable at Wikipedia, and that she should comment contructively on the content of articles, only. She responded to those notices by denouncing them as "assinine", "total crap", and "harrassing"; by removing them from her talk page; and by personally attacking me: removing this assinine bogus warning from a non-admin airhead, [13] removing further total crap left by a delusional editlor. [14] I admonished her personal attacks using the appropriate template, but she removed it.[15] Needless to say, virtually all of her comments to me and other editors (except those who agree with her political beliefs) have been uncivil.
She has told me that "I really don't much give a @#!& what you think and I can't for the life of me see how any of this is any of your business." She has also told me not to comment on her talk page again. [16] Accordingly, any form of mutal dispute resolution, including RFC and mediation, is out of the question, as those processes are reliant on the editor's respect for the opinions of others.
In summation, her disruptive conduct is analogous to that of a troll and likewise obstructs the improvement of this encyclopedia. And, unfortunately, her evident intransigence, incivility, and disregard for the opinions of others suggests that any type of personal reform is unlikely. I believe that immediate punitive action, at the very least, is in order.
(Please note that I have only worked with this editor for a few days and have already experienced two personal attacks.)
-- WGee 21:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Note: The user has been blocked indefinitely as an obvious reincarnation of the permanently blocked user user:Thewolfstar. It took me a while to get a handle on the procedures, as I'm not usually the block-forever kind of person, but Wolfstar is someone I'll learn the methods for. Geogre 21:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Although I have not personally worked with Thewolfstar, her disruptions to Wikipedia have gained a sort of infamy. Thank-you very much for dealing promptly and effectively with Lingeron; your assistance is greatly appreciated. -- WGee 22:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think we have more than one thread about this user, I'll repeat, I support this indef block. ++Lar: t/c 22:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- -) If we needed more proof that it's Maggie Wolfstar, the fact that Lingeron has managed to get three complaint threads going on AN/I at once would be fairly conclusive. Few manage to be that nasty without being instant blocks the way that she can. De nada on the block. I don't like issuing blocks, but this person is richly deserving. Geogre 01:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I feel the same about blocks (even though I'm not an admin), but you're right, it was called for in this case. Thanks for all of your help, everybody. She was disrupting a lot of the articles I work on. --AaronS 01:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Strongly support this block. The sock alone has caused too much disruption in the Wikipedia community, primarily to the RfA process. — Deckiller 03:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I made a comment in the other section pertaining to this user but I will also comment here. I would appreciate it if somebody would produce some evidence linking Lingeron with Thewolfstar. The fact that Lingeron might be doing some things inappropriately does not mean we arbitrarily select a former, banned user and pretend like they are "obviously" the same. The differences look pretty clear as far as I can tell: Lingeron is an anarchist capable of writing legible text; Thewolfstar was a borderline psycho Democratic ideologue prone to emotional rants. If you all want to give more ammunition to the critics of our community who say we arbitrarily ban people who rub the right people the wrong way, then by all means keep up this behaviour. — GT 03:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just noticed that "new evidence" wasn't dug up; this is still based on the old speculation. A checkuser should be performed before the block. I'm withdrawing my support of this action until a checkuser (or something to a lesser degree) is performed. — Deckiller 03:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed, this isn't enough to go by. I'm unblocking this user until solid evidence can be obtained. This isn't necessarily an obvious case. — Deckiller 03:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Good points, all. Those differences are important. Lingeron is by no means a Democrat. She has, after all, accused me of shadowy Communist subversion and sedition. --AaronS 03:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I was out of line to support the block without even checking to see if new evidence had been obtained. I hope I have redeemed myself. George, I understand why you blokced the user; but it's going to take a bit more process and time to come to a conclusion. Now, I will leave you guys to come to a conclusion as to the user warrenting another block outside of sockpuppetry (which has yet to be proven). — Deckiller 03:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Same here, and agreed. --AaronS 03:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I was one of the first to observe that Lingeron appeared to be Thewolfstar. It's certainly fair to ask for supporting evidence though. I don't have the time or energy to do a full job right now. Here's a little:
- Political stance: GT said " The differences look pretty clear as far as I can tell: Lingeron is an anarchist capable of writing legible text; Thewolfstar was a ... Democratic ideologue prone to emotional rants". Thewolfstar was no Democrat: see [17] for example: "I'm a life-long anarchist and environmentalist... I already stood up to an administrator and a huge troop of drooling, controlling idiots in this place. They're mainly Democrats." The confusion may stem from the fact that Thewolfstar spent her time editing articles on the Democrats, but she was mostly inserting stuff that the Democrats there didn't seem to care for. Example: [18].
- I believe they also both frequently discuss Thomas Jefferson; here is an example of that from Thewoldstar.
- More to come if I have the time. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- More:
- The Lingeron account had had I believe no interaction with Bishonen at all before Bishonen made this post on her page. It's fairly cryptic, and not a direct accusation: "You're making yourself increasingly easy to recognize. Again." How does Lingeron respond? At first, reasonably. A little later, though, she deletes the section with edit summary "and removing this nut case personal attack and lame, senseless accusation". I just don't see that kind of reaction occurring unless if she knows Bishonen knows she's Thewolfstar.
- After Bishonen warns her more directly, Lingeron posts this, including the fascinating "I am currently looking through (Maggie)Thewolfstar's contributions, pages, etc. and do not find this user to even be abusive". Forgive me, but if Lingeron's investigation was even cursory, that statement either makes her insane, or Thewolfstar. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think that Thewolfstar's last contribiton may be recent enough for a checkuser. Think we should set up a request? — Deckiller 05:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I suppose we need to. Care to do the honors? Hopefully a simple pointer to this thread will be all the evidence needed. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think that Thewolfstar's last contribiton may be recent enough for a checkuser. Think we should set up a request? — Deckiller 05:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This user has been disruptive, see the warning I placed on their page. I think it is a Bad Practice to overturn a block without seeking consensus first, that leads to wheel warring. I'm not sure I'd characterise the correlations reported by several admins as "old speculation" either. So I oppose lifting this block of a disruptive and incivil editor. ++Lar: t/c 04:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I understand, and believe me, either way I was stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one — I continue to endorse the block, I get in trouble. I unblock the user for further discussion, and I get a few people mad at me. The block was for sockpuppetry, but nothing had been proven; and the last thing I want is to see a huge embarrassment case made out of this if we're wrong. Either way, bad practice was not my intention; I just want to keep this resonable. By old spculation, I meant the speculation that I already read about (meaning, nothing new was proven prior to the block). — Deckiller 05:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced it's thewolfstar, although I only had a small number of dealings with that user (which is funny since my talkpage is linked as evidence of thewolfstar calling herself an anarchist. how did you find that btw?). I actually tried to avoid her after her second post to my page. Thewolfstar never edited the anarchism articles as far as I know, which has been Lingeron's main area of editing. There do appear to be some similarities though, both politically and behavior wise (the constant ranting against socialism, saying it's just fascism for example). It looked like they might be wising up after our discussion a few days ago, but based on some of their edits to their talk page I'm not quite so sure. I say that we wait and see what happens with checkuser and with her future edits before taking such a drastic action as indefinitely blocking, but regardless of if they are a sock or not, they are on thin ice. The Ungovernable Force 05:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Do you think a shorter block would be in hand for the other, non-sockpuppet allegations? I think so; but, given the current circumstances, I am no in position to do the blocking myself. — Deckiller 06:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It is more likely than not that Thewolfstar's most recent contribs are too old. Be sure if you file an RFCU to list other confirmed socks that are more recent. Thatcher131 (talk) 06:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Lingeron's first edit was June 18, and Thewolfstar's last edit was May 9 (I believe). Is that still too much of a gap? — Deckiller 06:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, I'm a bit surprised and sorry to have been critical of Geogre and others before. Admittedly I didn't do much more than a short review of Lingeron's contributions. But at least it is, apparently, all settled now and in my opinion this Checkuser should have preceded any indefinite block. — GT 08:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- If, in the opinion of the blocking admin, the sockpuppet is obvious, then checkuser is not required; we routinely decline such requests under the rubric "Obvious sockpuppets may be blocked without the need for checkuser." If someone disputes the position that the sockpuppet is obvious, then a checkuser can be requested. To my knowledge (I haven't checked RfCU) no checkuser was actually requested by either side; it was mentioned above, but if I hadn't decided to do it sua sponte, it would not have been done. Essjay (Talk) 09:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well not that it's necessarily my interpretation that means anything, but to me "obvious" is quite different from "probable" or "likely" or "strongly suspected". — GT 09:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, so is someone going to redo the block? The Ungovernable Force 09:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well not that it's necessarily my interpretation that means anything, but to me "obvious" is quite different from "probable" or "likely" or "strongly suspected". — GT 09:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Having handled hundreds of such requests (possibly thousands, I'd have to go look), I don't feel particularly conceited to style myself as somewhat of an authority on the subject. Had the immediate reaction been to list this on RfCU rather than block, and had I been the checkuser who handled it (until about a week ago, it was about a 75% chance I would be), I would have rejected it as obvious. Additionally, we do not generally perform checks of this nature (that is, to clear up questions about a block) until someone asks us to do so; given that RfCU is the appropriate location to do so, such checks are generally not done until listed there. Essjay (Talk) 09:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of reblocking indefinitely, referencing this thread, and I welcome review of my actions. I got an email from Deckiller explaing that s/he felt s/he had no choice but to lift the block. I guess I sympathise with the prudence, but don't agree it was warranted. The lift seems to have not taken, which is fortunate, no harm done, but in future, really, I think taking the word of other admins and asking for further investigation before lifting a block may be a better approach. An obvious sock is just that, obvious, and when several admins come to the same conclusion, engaging valuable Checkuser resources, while arguably prudent, and understandable, might be reconsidered. Admins need to, by default, trust each other, and to assume we're all here for the same reason, to build an encyclopedia. ++Lar: t/c 09:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's perfectly fine with me that the block was lifted. The actions that followed were all by the book, and I'm pleased that there were questions, that they generated a check user, and that a block has been reinstated. We should be skeptical when indefinite blocks are involved, and I welcome any review of further blocks. (In other words, no hard feelings at all. I'm glad that there were questions and that the questions prompted precisely appropriate actions.) Thewolfstar is pretty dedicated and...upset. Geogre 12:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think questioning, skepticism, asking for clarification and all are fine but I don't see the need for rash action, there was little harm and some considerable benefit in leaving the block in place (or reducing it to a definite one for the disruption caused) and none in lifting it, in my view. As I said, we could have discussed this without one admin overturning another that way. we were fortunate this user didn't cause more disruption, but that was luck. ++Lar: t/c 17:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Clarification: For the record, just so folks know, Wolfstar wasn't a Democrat: she was an anti-Democrat. Her campaign, pursued with the kind of monomania that's scary, was to alter the article on the Democratic Party to make it "socialist." I.e. she edited it a lot because she wanted to tell the world the secret truth about Democrats -- that they're all socialists. Lotsa edits doesn't mean interest. :-) Geogre 12:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I oppose this ban against Lingeron. It has not been proven that she is a sockpuppet of TheWolfStar. A checkuser must be run, and the IP results made openly available. This ban is out of process, and appears to be negatively motivated. I request that the out of process and ill-considered ban be removed (again, it was already removed once by a discerning user) until and unless it is publicly proven that the user is a sockpuppet. - MSTCrow 20:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- You do? Gosh. Check user was run. Puppetry confirmed. Folks are free to take a look at user talk:MSTCrow to decide for themselves whether this objection is motivated by due concern or prior hostility. Process was followed. Geogre 20:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Prior hostility to whom? I have not interacted with anyone involved in this entire issue previously, save Lingeron. I do not understand the thrust of your argument, and it damages your own character to stoop to questioning my motives. It is not enough for someone to claim that a checkuser was run, I'd like to see confirmation that a checkuser was run, and that the IPs matched. As banning a user is the ultimate action that can be taken against a user, the process must be as transparent and open as possible, to prevent abuses of power. - MSTCrow 23:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- As I've been saying ad infinitum on User talk:Lingeron, Essjay saying above that "IP evidence is consistent with previous Thewolfstar socks. I'd call it Confirmed" IS the confirmation that checkuser was run. Essjay is one of a very small handful of people with the Checkuser right on wikipedia. He ran a checkuser, he gave us our results. The fact that they aren't in WP:RFCU is absolutely meaningless unless if you want to try to set some world record for Wikilawyering. As far as "seeing confirmation" -- the report of a checkuser is always like that, just a few words about the results. We don't get to ponder the full dump, both for privacy reasons and to try to keep sockpuppeteers from getting any better at what they do. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Prior hostility to whom? I have not interacted with anyone involved in this entire issue previously, save Lingeron. I do not understand the thrust of your argument, and it damages your own character to stoop to questioning my motives. It is not enough for someone to claim that a checkuser was run, I'd like to see confirmation that a checkuser was run, and that the IPs matched. As banning a user is the ultimate action that can be taken against a user, the process must be as transparent and open as possible, to prevent abuses of power. - MSTCrow 23:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Right Action?
While on CAT:CSD, I declined a CSD, which didn't bode well with another user[19]. I responded on their talk page in regards to their complaints[20]. I know this seems vague and rushed, and I apologize, I was wondering (since I've only been a SysOp for 26 hours) if I acted correctly and to bring this to other's attention. Thank you, Yanksox 04:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not an admin, but I do do newpage patrol sometimes. From my perspective, the version that you de-tagged isn't really an attack page. Kevin_b_er 05:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- FOUR different editors tagged it for speedy deletion. More than one administrator thought it proper for speedy deletion. One administrator finally did delete it:
I agree that this page was indefensible and had to be deleted. I've deleted it as an attack page. --Tony Sidaway 17:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC) {copied over from Admin board by jawesq 23:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)}
- That did not include an administrator on WIkiquote:
Delete. Jim Shapiro must not use the Internet to get business, as this ill-sourced attack page has been around for nearly two years. Our article was created only 1 day after the WP article was created, and the second WP edit was made 3 minutes later to add the WQ box link, strongly suggesting that both article creators are the same person. The sole external link provided in the WQ article appears to be a squirrely personal website with no provenance. (I've listed some details about it in the AfD for the WP article.) All in all, this looks like a set of bad-faith editing by someone with an axe to grind. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It wasn't a proper speedy, and I applaud you for taking the time to make sure it fit the criteria. If you continue to do so (as I hope you do) you'll periodically get complaints; the proper response is (as you did) to explain that speedies are only for specific cases where it is completely clear that no other opinions are necessary, not for cases where you're pretty sure the article should go. So, good job!
- An additional comment, though, is that unsourced and/or excessive elements in biographies of living persons should be vigorously rooted out. This seems to have been done, in the case of this article, by simply stubifying it. In this case, that was a better approach than speedy deletion, so everything has been done correctly here. -- SCZenz 05:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Good call -- Samir धर्म 05:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I was the one who deleted everything but one sentence, naming the attorney and where he was located. I did that to point out why it DID warrant speedy deletion. Evidently, this was lost on some. It was not a stub. There was no reason to even have the article but for the disparaging remarks. In fact, its author admitted that was why he wrote it - to show the over the top (sleazy) advertising, and evidently to also call him an ambulance chaser, who been sanctioned by his state bar, and other assorted bad things. So this is encyclopedic? The fact is, there would have been NO way to make this article NPOV. None.
- What about it was not a 'speedy delete'? In fact, it has been speedy deleted, finally. EVERYTHING in the article was unsourced and disparaging. That was the whole point of the article. That fits the definition (below) of what should be immediately deleted to a 'T". In fact, other admins seem to agree and have since weighed in (not just the one who deleted the article).jawesq 22:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Good call -- Samir धर्म 05:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It wasn't a speedy delete attack, even if it was a "criticism" page. The AfD nominators generally nominate things that should be deleted. The CSD taggers miss a great deal more often. The article's an AfD case, most likely, but not a CSD. Geogre 11:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Please check the history as to why that article was tagged for a speedy delete. I had removed all the unsourced negative statements about this attorney, which left one sentence as to his name and location. ONe reason it should have been deleted (and was finally) immediately is WP:BIO.
- FOUR different people tagged this article for Speedy delete, and another admin finally DID speedy delete it.
- There was a reason it was deleted. This lawyer was not known outside his community (So he was not infamous), and ALL the statements about him were "negative in tone" - in fact, they were plainly disparaging. There was no way to make that article NPOV. This exactly meets speedy deletion criteria. jawesq 22:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Please check the history as to why that article was tagged for a speedy delete. I had removed all the unsourced negative statements about this attorney, which left one sentence as to his name and location. ONe reason it should have been deleted (and was finally) immediately is WP:BIO.
THIS is what he stated:
I agree that this page was indefensible and had to be deleted. I've deleted it as an attack page. --Tony Sidaway 17:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC) [Copied from Admin page by jawesq 23:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)]
Biographies on Living Persons — Jim Shapiro
This should settle the controversy on this article that another administrator deleted as warranted under "speedy delete".
Editors must take particular care when writing biographies of living persons, which require a degree of sensitivity, and which must adhere strictly to our content policies:
We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about living persons should be removed immediately from both the article and the talk page. [1] These principles also apply to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The responsibility for justifying controversial claims in Wikipedia, of all kinds, but especially for living people's bios, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim.
I would like to stress these points:
- 1. For the last two years, the deleted article had provided NO sources
- 2. This article was solely disparaging - there was no other reason to write it. This lawyer is not known outside his local community.
- 3. The only sources that were finally dredged up were a local newspaper, and a political website 'Overlawyered'.
- 1. For the last two years, the deleted article had provided NO sources
Harassment from Various IP addresses in relation to British Shorthair
The discussion on Talk:British Shorthair has degraded into a flame war with various people coming in from anonymous IPs to directly launch personal attacks against those who oppose the inclusion of internet meme content into a breed description. I have tried to be as civil as possible and work towards a compromise over the issue, and nobody seems to be giving me any room to work with them. I would seriously like an administrator to step into this issue and take appropriate action. --Targetter 05:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
300+ hate mail messages from User talk:203.10.59.63 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)
Prior to disabling my "e-mail this user" feature, I had blocked the above editor for a long history of anti-semitic, and sometimes childish vandalism (this is characteristic [21]). Please review my actions: I believe they were justified, but always welcome a second opinion.
I immediately received over 300 copies of the following message:
- What is your problem you lying despicable scumbag??? All I did was
- write factual information about Israel and you've banned me twice. It is
- people like you that give Wikipedia a bad name. Within the next 10 years
- Iran or Syria will undoubtedly get their hands on a nuclear device and
- then you can say goodbye to your cherished illegal state. I won't shed
- a tear. They had no right being there in the first place. My edits to
- the page about Israel are clear for all to see. All backable by
- historical text. You are a dickhead and when Israel gets nuked I'll throw a
- party in your honour.
- Fuck off and die you nasty little shit!
- Wayne Smith.
Currently this person is blocked for another week. Please keep an eye on him: he has a splendidly long history of vandalism, and I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. Antandrus (talk) 06:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- What an unfortunate little fellow. You'll want to forward the email to the relevant authorities. A note to his ISP would be in order, as would one to the internet crimes unit of the local police services, should such be available. Incidentally, is that a static, unshared IP? We ought to lengthen his holiday if it is. —Encephalon 08:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I was of the impression that IPs couldn't use the email this user feature, has that changed? But the IP reverse lookup goes to bandersnatch.slq.qld.gov.au, which is The state library of Queensland --pgk(talk) 09:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Is this the same User:Wayne Smith on Wikipedia?? --TheM62Manchester 10:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it is quite possibly a terminal in the library used by members of the public rather than an employee. I suspect it is not therefore an unshared IP in the strict sense. However, there don't seem to be many other editors from the IP in recent times and we can limit the ban to anonymous users.--A Y Arktos\talk 10:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- This user is also UniverseToday (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) (currently blocked) and Universe Daily (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) (currently active and editing), and probably others. Without a checkuser I'm uncomfortable blocking them, but the edit histories make it quite clear that it is the same person. He spams his website all over the place, and includes "Wayne Smith" as the owner; in addition the hate mail I received was from "Universe Today". Antandrus (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Looks now like this guy's been a problem for even longer than I realized: see, for example, this post on long-term abuse. He spams relentlessly and often enough blatantly vandalises. Not sure what to do at this point, other than to alert others to watch for his activity, and to be forewarned that he's a truly nasty one. Antandrus (talk) 15:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't that an "obvious sockpuppet" situation (per above with Lingeron)? If so, you don't need to go bugging chuckuser...er check user. I know you're involved already, so, if you want someone else to do the honors, I understand, but I'd say that getting all the personae is merely conducting a single block. I.e. you're blocking this one single user, who happens to be at multiple accounts. Geogre 16:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Several times I have made this particular userbox template. At completion, it looked like this:
This user is a modern follower of Bushido. |
However, this template keps being deleted, with no TfD or even a note to me telling me why. As a non-administrator, I cannot view the history of this deleted template, so I do know know who keeps deleting it. Please look into it; I follow Modern Bushido and I do not like to be told that an entire philosophy is not 'good enough' to have a userbox (which several people use). FOr the moment, I am using my own userspace, but I don't think it should be forced into userspace without a TfD...or at least a reason. ~ Porphyric Hemophiliac § 20:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think you mean "As I am not an administrator" as otherwise the wording doesn't make sense. Anyway, according to template history, it was deleted as CSD's T1 "Templates that are divisive and inflammatory." and G4 "Recreation of deleted material." (even though G4 does not apply to speedy-deleted pages, but that's what WP:DRV is for). Anywho, on 17 July 2006, an admin placed the GUS meta-template on this, then it was deleted on the 21st. GUS is short for "German Userbox Solution" which basically means that the userbox is considered divisive and, in order to make it not look as though Wikipedia supported the userbox, it's deleted after giving people a chance to subst: the userbox onto their page.
- The short version of all that is: "The admin in question gave you the opportunity to subst: the userbox and, when time was up, deleted it." If you're wondering, no, I'm not the admin who deleted it. Take care! ~Kylu (u|t) 06:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ohyeah, clarification: Wikipedia:German userbox solution if you want more info. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 06:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Kylu. --Cyde↔Weys 18:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Whoa, whoa, hold up there, Kylu. How on earth is this box "divisive and inflammatory"? So who deleted it? And is there a good, logical reason? I understand the userbox solution, but why not simply move it into userspace? And if I was supposed to be 'given time' to subst it, why was I not informed? I'm not an e-psychic. ~ Porphyric Hemophiliac § 00:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
User:Aeon1006
User:Aeon1006 keeps blanking his talk page despite my request for comments from him, and placing of warnings on his page. I am writing to seek mediation with this individual because of his campaign of harassment against me the other night. I will be upfront and admit that the other night started with my getting angry at another user, and I am not fully in the right as to the other night, however his actions today are wholely uncalled for, and his actions last night were abusive. 74.136.222.198 07:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd like to note that part of this dispute has carried over onto my user talk page (see the sections labed "Hey" and "Aeon" at the bottom). I doubt Aeon1006 will be commenting on this thread, as he has decided to retire from Wikipedia for unrelated reasons. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Here is a quick reply. 74.136.222.198 was a vandal and also comited various personal attacks with his talk page. I reverted him and warned him with both sets of warns inorder to attempt to stop him from continuing. He was blocked for his actions. Also he was reverted by several others as well. Sorry about this and not sure how it happened. Æon Insane Ward 07:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have fully admitted I did some wrong things Aeon, however I did not launch personal attacks with my talk page. You embarked on a campaign of harassment, knowing I was already angry, in an attempt to make me angrier for your own amusement. You abused your authority to harass me, and removed my ability to protest your harassment by constantly reverting my comments and incorrectly labeling them as vandalism. While I may have also been wrong yesterday in some of my actions, it does not excuse your behavior. 74.136.222.198 07:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I must say I have had problems with Aeon recently. The issues stems from a failed mediation case, where Aeon was the advocate for User:Insert-Belltower. Apparently, Aeon's conduct in the case was questionable, and another user, User:UCRGrad felt that he needed to put this, in great detail, all over other user's talk pages. I blocked UCRGrad for 24 hours, later reducing this to six, because I deemed UCRGrad's posting of his 'concerns' to be disruptive and inappropriate. I asked Aeon to alert me to any more questionable postings from UCRGrad, because I believed Aeon to be the wronged party. When Aeon later presented me with a message from UCRGrad on Insert-Belltower's talk page, which was nearly identical to the types of messages I blocked UCRGrad for in the first place, I blocked again, this time for one week. However, just this evening, Insert-Belltower posted on my talk page informing me that the message UCRGrad had left on Insert-Belltower's talk page was invited, and Aeon's reporting of the message as evidence of further abuse was inappropriate. I immediately unblocked UCRGrad. However, I warned all three that I am tired of this dispute, especially of Aeon's misleading comments. RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 07:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Please note that Aeon1006 is not an administrator, so any "abuse of authority" would be purely through VandalProof messages. After reviewing the incident, most of which can be found at the page history of User talk:74.136.222.198, I believe Aeon acted correctly, although a personalized note rather than a template may have caused both parties some undue stress. 74.136.222.198, please note that while you argue that WP:NOT censored, yelling (typing in all caps) and cursing at other users is not tolerated, and is typically seen as a breach of our civility policy. If both sides can agree to be civil to one another (and other users) in the future, I don't think any further action needs to be taken with this specific case. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 07:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- The matter is CERTAINLY not over and further action does need to be taken, I am still unable to edit my own talk page. Reverse this at once. 74.136.222.198 15:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- No problem. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 16:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. Since I'm gone (A came back for a few minutes because of an e-mail.) there is no issue at my end. ThanksÆon Insane Ward 16:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Slimvirgin is threatening to delete my subpage
The page is here, her comments are here. She is calling it an attack page, but it only contains descriptions of edits which is explicitly allowed in Wikipedia policy. This is a list of edits that I consider objectionable. I'm not making personal attacks; I'm factually commentating on content in a civil manner, which is specifically condoned by WP:NPA: "Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks. Stating "Your statement is a personal attack..." is not itself a personal attack—it is a statement regarding the actions of the user, not a statement about the user."
As Tony Sidaway has put it [22], "Deuterium is permitted to gather evidence on matters concerning the construction of the encyclopedia and people's conduct within the community." Deuterium 07:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have asked Deuterium four times what the purpose of the page is, and he is unable to explain. I regard it as an attack page, and have asked him to remove, or in some way neutralize, the descriptions of the people who are listed. We're here to write an encyclopedia, and keeping pages like that is, at best, a waste of time, and at worst causes unnecessary ill feeling. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not to butt in, but as a third party, I've just read all the banter, and it appears he has in fact explained it to you... 74.136.222.198 07:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you can translate for me, because I'm not getting it. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not to butt in, but as a third party, I've just read all the banter, and it appears he has in fact explained it to you... 74.136.222.198 07:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I will try my best. He says "It is useful to gather evidence regarding people's conduct as part of the overall process of building an encyclopedia". I take this to mean that he is using the page as a tool to catalog edits which he characterizes as problematic. This helps him both by allowing him to later study similar trends in problematic edits to improve his own writing and conduct, and to keep track of possible evolving problems much the same way you might use a watchlist or recent changes. 74.136.222.198 07:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's exactly correct. Deuterium 08:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- LOL!! I wonder why you didn't say it yourself if it's "exactly correct." So you're studying similar trends in problematic areas to improve your own writing and conduct? So far, not much improvement, sadly. Maybe you need to add more names. :-D SlimVirgin (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Given that Hillman's dig pages (see above) seem to be getting the all-clear, a page of this type is nowhere near as problematic, and I don't see why it needs to go. Proto::type 07:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmmm. Hillman's page tracks long-term problems with pushing of POV in certain well-defined areas. The page under discussion seesm to be a random collection of "OMG! Rouge admin abuse!" But I could be wrong. For example, calling Magabund a holocaust denier was harsh, but as it turns out Magabund has made numerous edits supportive of holocaust deniers, so although it's a poor kind of an edit summary it is not without a basis in truth, especially since Magabund seems to me to have been deliberately ratcheting up the tension in Talk. If you want to trawl the database looking for edits where people are accused of being holocaust deniers I suspect you will find a large number, almost all form editors with a less illustrious edit history than Jayjg. Just zis Guy you know? 14:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, I want to point out that I have offered to discuss removing any specific listings that SV (or anyone else) might have a problem with. I have removed one when Timothy Usher pointed out I made a mistake, and I've just removed some others that people have expressed objections to as a good faith gesture. Deuterium 08:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It could alleviate some objections to not organize it by sections on the users who made the attacks. —Centrx→talk • 08:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but it would also make it a lot less useful as I can't see who the troublesome editors are. Deuterium 09:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, let's see, you claim that my description of User:Magabund as a "Holocaust denier" is a "personal attack". Now, this is the same User:Magabund who, in his first edits felt the need to defend Holocaust denier David Irving [23] [24] [25] [26], to buff up Irving's article [27] [28] [29], to add Irving to the List of historians, [30] and to add links to Irving's website to other articles. [31]. His first edits also contained a defense of Holocaust denier Fred A. Leuchter [32] He later returned to defend Irving some more, buffing his article [33] and insisting he shouldn't be described as a "Holocaust denier", [34] [35], and buffing up the article of Holocaust denier Germar Rudolf for good measure. [36] He returned again a few months later for more defenses of Irving [37] [38], then a defense of Rudolf [39] and some support of Irving's views. [40] This was all in his first 100 edits, and I've left out a number of his other dubious edits. Now, in exactly what way do you feel "Holocaust denier" doesn't fit? Are you arguing, for example, that "defender/supporter of Holocaust deniers" would be more accurate? Jayjg (talk) 09:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, since he hasn't actually denied the holocaust, accusing him of being a holocaust denier is a baseless personal attack. And I don't see the use of characterizing him as a defender or supporter of Holocaust deniers either, as someone can edit in favour of a cause without supporting it, it's called being a devil's advocate. Remember WP:NPA: Comment on content, not on the contributor. Also #
'# Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views — regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream or extreme. Deuterium 09:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Now you're being absurd. People don't defend Holocaust denial in order to play devil's advocate, just as they don't insist 2+2=5 to see what it feels like. SlimVirgin (talk) 09:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Anyway, if it helps, I've changed the listing to be more neutral and removed the characterization of JayJG's edit as a personal attack. The facts speak for themselves in this instance. Deuterium 10:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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Deuterium may have the wrong politics. But there is nothing wrong with Deuterium's page. Nothing said on that page is a personal attack--just as those who call the page an "attack page" have not made a "personal attack." --Rednblu 10:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I've come late to this discussion, but after reading it, I decided to change the layout of Deuterium's page a bit, leaving the actual descriptions pretty much the same. I managed to fit my rationale into the edit summary: "refactored to better emphasize the "bad edits" themselves, not the people who made them... section headings were an assumption of bad faith, that you expect the same users to make more "bad edits"". Could this be an acceptable compromise? —freak() 14:54, Jul. 30, 2006 (UTC)
I think it is kinda silly that we would allow users to keep these kinds of pages. It seems like Deuturium is just trying to get back at certain users that he has had disagreements with and it does nothing but create tension. How is this at all an acceptable use of user space?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 16:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- If I may say so, this is a perfect use of UserTalkPages. These kinds of necessary arguments and civil discussions should be kept out of the MainPages and out of the TalkPages. What do you say? --Rednblu 18:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- You can say what you'd like, but in this case you'd be wrong. It's a page designed to engender bad feelings among users, often filled with inaccurate and false statements, much like this page: User:Deuterium/Timothy Usher and this page: User:Deuterium/Andjam and this page: User:Deuterium/JayJG. In the latter, the first edit, which he describes as "Deleting relevant, sourced, correct information" is actually the deletion of completely unsourced and factually incorrect material, and the second edit, which he describes as "Removing perfectly good link" in fact involved removing a link to a POV blog. On top of that, he seems to be creating attack biographies - e.g. [41], and has started wikistalking me (e.g. [42] [43]) It's a disturbing pattern of behavior for one so quick to inaccurately point fingers. Jayjg (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
TheLame
See, Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/WordBomb. Fred Bauder confirms a multitude of sockpuppets by WikiRicardo/WordBomb. All the socks are already blocked except for User:TheLame. In light of abusive acts of the other account, should this one not be blocked as well? Kevin_b_er 10:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Leave him alone, KevBo. He 'aint never done you no harm.--TheLame 15:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Blocked indefinitely. JoshuaZ 16:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Roitr again
These articles are now being vandalized by sockpuppets of Roitr: Ranks of the People's Liberation Army, Praporshchik, Russian Empire, Naval ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation. Roitr removes deletion tags from these home-made falsified images uploaded by him: Image:Russia-army-1994 Senior Praporshchik.gif, Image:Russia-army-1994 Praporshchik.GIF.
Active sockpuppets:
- Hyrold (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Tibol (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Oliversi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Liuos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - blocked
- 88.154.89.38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 88.154.50.15 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 88.155.8.136 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- Dfrdgf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - blocked
- Erawew (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - blocked
- Iyuf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Bonaqua (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
For most recent information please refer to User:Roitr/sockpuppetry.
Please, help to stop this new attack of the vandal.--Nixer 10:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
In my talk page [44] he claims that it is impossible to stop him because he has thousands of IPs. He also threats me that he will revert any my edits.--Nixer 11:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- we would need to block half of Israel. Maybe a case for the new blocking tools? dab (ᛏ) 11:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Obvously the old methods does not work. He says I am an idiot because it is impossible to block him. I think blocking Bezeq is nessessary as a temporary measure until we desided how to manage such vandalism.--Nixer 11:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- That suggests by Nixer to block temporarily all Bezeq - nonsense and it breaks the all rights of all users of this provider and many users in Israel.--Oliversi 12:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- well, if you could behave, there would be no need for such measures. If you continue this, we will indeed block Bezeq. Established users will be able to edit regardless, thanks to the new mediawiki upgrade. This wouldn't be the first time a major provider is blocked because a single person just does not Get It. dab (ᛏ) 15:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Abuse_reports#Roitr --Nixer 15:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- well, if you could behave, there would be no need for such measures. If you continue this, we will indeed block Bezeq. Established users will be able to edit regardless, thanks to the new mediawiki upgrade. This wouldn't be the first time a major provider is blocked because a single person just does not Get It. dab (ᛏ) 15:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- That suggests by Nixer to block temporarily all Bezeq - nonsense and it breaks the all rights of all users of this provider and many users in Israel.--Oliversi 12:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Obvously the old methods does not work. He says I am an idiot because it is impossible to block him. I think blocking Bezeq is nessessary as a temporary measure until we desided how to manage such vandalism.--Nixer 11:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since this exact message has been places on 4 different admins by two different accounts, I would say that sockpuppet is perfectly reasonable. The only thing I see in common with these admins is that we have all blocked Nixer in the past. (You'll also notice that none of us of chosen to do it now).
- I think the contribs of the users posting look suspicious as well:
- Oliversi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Bonaqua (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Nixer
These articles are now being vandalized by Nixer:
Russian Empire - Reverts without provides. Rejects official sources and does not specify the sources. Refuses to cooperate.
Naval ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation and Ranks of the People's Liberation Army - multi 3RR violation
- Nixer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Please, help to stop his attack and reverts.--Oliversi 11:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oliversi is a sockpuppet of Roitr (see above)--Nixer 11:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am not a sockpuppet of a long-term vandal Roitr. Provide your accusations and suspicions. Still even if I am a sockpuppet of Roitr - is do not give you the right to break a rule of wikipedia.--Oliversi 12:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
If you guys want to take this to checkuser we can try figuring out a manageable range-block. Mackensen (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- the range is known, see User:Roitr/sockpuppetry#Host_masks, but it is large; and the sockster in his Russian post to Nixer boasts of the "millions of IPs" at his disposal. I would sequentially try blocking the five ranges given. dab (ᛏ) 15:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, what about blocking this range in his most active hours? That would greatly relieve us of the burden to revert him every 5 minutes or so. I need to check his activities, but they seem to be evenings (GMT+3) for the most part. That said, I'd still have his principal targets semiprotected or even fully protected. --Dmitry 20:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you please block also this account: Tibol (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as he continues vandalism [45] even in semi-protected pages--Nixer 17:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
JzG abuses block to get advantage in content dispute
JzG blocked me even after warnings by another administrator not to abuse his administrative power. ([46] [47] [48] [49] [50] ) There is an explicit rule not to to this: Block policy#When blocking may not be used: Use of blocks to gain an advantage in a content dispute is strictly prohibited. That is, sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in a content dispute. Generally, caution should be exercised before blocking users who may be acting in good faith. I had been unaware of the fact that after three wholesale reverts by others, partly without even an explanation, editing one factually wrong word would violate the 3 revert rule. I apologize and will not do it again. I however protest the harrassment by the admin who now already blocked me three times over the same content dispute even though I am very active in the discussion and the issue is very controversial: One side says the Lance Armstrong article is like a fanzine [51] this article need not do the work of his attorneys and PR team while others argue that it is libel to list well known and widely reported allegations over drug abuse. After blocking me the first time for "violating wikipedia rules for biographies of living people" JzG violated the same rules at articles about two journalists who wrote a book about drug abuse allegations against Armstrong, [52] [53]. He took advantage of his last block of me to make one of these articles a redirect without discussion, [54] even after a third opinion had mediated about the content of that article. I protest the abuse of administrative power and would like to get some advice how to deal with the conflict. Socafan 11:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- As one might expect, this bears only a superficial resemblance to the truth. The problem here is, once again, Socafan (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log).
- No warnings have been issued against me for abuse of administrator powers
- First block of the user occurred before the ArbCom case was requested
- Protection of the article occurred before the arbcom case was requested
- The ArbCom case was soundly rejected on the grounds that I was acting in good faith, reverting potentially libellous material per WP:BLP
- Socafan has violated WP:OWN on Lance Armstrong, reverting changes by three separate admins and demanding they take it to Talk (per WP:BLP the reverse is true: Socafan must take the content he wants included to Talk, we don't have to persuade him before removing content we view as potentially defamatory)
- My only involvement on Lance Armstrong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been policing WP:BLP (almost exclusively against Socafan), and trying to recriut more eyes to oversee it; not one of these additional people appears to support Socafan's edits
- Socafan reverted four times in short order, and reverted three separate admins. He has consistently engaged in tendentious editing in respect of a biography of a living individual
- As usual, when I blocked Socafan for WP:3RR violation, I posted the action for review at WP:AN
- The major result of the block was not an advantage for me (I have pretty much no history on the article other than trying to neutralise guilt-by-association and innuendo added by Socafan) but the opportunity for User:Steve Hart to substantially rewrite the contended section in very much more readable and substantially more neutral terms, a net gain for the encyclopaedia, e.g. [55]
- A block for 3RR is entirely uncontroversial, especially for BLP issues, and the block was reviewed by other admins and pronounced acceptable
- At least one uninvolved admin has already proposed a community ban due to Socafan's "trolling" (see WP:AN#User:Socafan)
- The redirects at Pierre Ballester and David Walsh (sports reporter) reflect the fact that both articles contained substantiallly the same content, most of it word-for-word identical, discussing a book they co-authored; there were no biographical details such as dates of birth or anything else of substance, just two articles with near-identical content and identical edit wars (in respect of which, once again, Socafan is in a minority of one); this I made clear in the edit summary, I also made clear that turning them back into articles when other detail becomes available is no problem at all. In the mean time the pair both redirect to an article on the book, which containsd the duplicated content and the description of the legal cases surrounding it provided through a third opinion and previously stated identically in both articles. After, that is, Socafan had tried including his "spun" version of it.
- I could go on but what's the point? His reversal of the burden of proof in editing shows, I think, that he is ursuing an agenda to spin the unproven doping allegations against Lance Armstrong in the most damaging way possible. Just look at the comments above: it's not that we should not be doing LA's PR for him, the issue has always been that we may not do the work of his detractors; the onus is always on the editor trying to include content to satisfy others of its neutrality, especially in cases of WP:BLP. Socafan seems to think that we (as in: every other editor on that article) must satisfy him before changing a word of what he writes. Socafan's looks a lot like a single purpose account right now; reviewing his contribs it looks like a major part of his activity on Wikipedia is spinning allegations against living individuals. Maybe Tony Sidaway is right and a community ban is justified, but I'm not going to be the one to do that, as I said before on WP:AN. This very recent edit from Jimbo makes the point as strongly as one could want: "The responsibility for justifying controversial claims in Wikipedia, of ALL KINDS, but especially for living people's bios, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim." [56]
- The way to "deal with the conflict" is for Socafan to respect policy and guidelines and the opinions of other editors, and to recognise that in sensitive areas we must be small-c conservative. WP:NOT a soapbox. Just zis Guy you know? 13:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- JzG clearly violated several rules. There is no willingness to resolve the conflict, his reaction to my message to him was "remove trolling". He took advantage of his block of me to make an article into a redirect in spite of a third opinion that had commented on the content. He now even deleted the history of the article such that it cannot be restored. [57] He had been edit warring on that article, violating the same rules for biographies of living people that he claimed justified my blocks by him. He had been warned about his abuse of administrative powers by another administrator as I have showed above. The links are there, it cannot be denied. Please help to resolve the conflict and please restore the deleted article David Walsh (sports reporter). Socafan 23:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Soy sauce
Stevepcf (talk · contribs), a webmaster of the Aloha Shoyu Company (he said so on one of the images he uploaded for it) keeps inserting a section on Hawaiian soy sauce in to Soy sauce that is basicaly just an ad for his company's products, I reverted him once, but he put in back in. I'm not an expert on how to deal with corporate "product placement" in articles so I would apreciate a second opinion on this one. --Sherool (talk) 12:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Reverted his latest changes, and left a note on his talk page about what Wiki is not. Syrthiss 13:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Blocked 24h for edit warring and spamming, haivng reinserted the spam after the above warnings. Just zis Guy you know? 15:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Checkup on behavior of User:Downfall Guy
I reverted the other day some either misguided edits or subtle vandalm from User:Downfall Guy on Wal-Mart (see | here) and got this unusual message on my talk. I report it here out of the desire of whatever IP it was that left me the message for it to be reported, I can't check the anon IP's story becuase I'm about to leave town for a week, and apprecaite someone looking into the claim that he is a sock puppet of somebody else. Sirmob 13:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- King of Hearts blocked him indef as a sockpuppet of MascotGuy. —Whomp t/c 16:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
A Second Opinion on 203.208.102.224 (talk · contribs)
I would like to request a second opinion on many of the posts by 203.208.102.224 (talk · contribs). It appears to me as though the user is repeatedly adding non-neutral information regarding Lebanese Australians. You are, of course, free to browse over the user's contributions, but many of them appear to add references to subjects' nationalities (usually Lebanese) and religious preferences (usually Muslim) when it's not necessary. And so opinion on these types of contributions would be appreciated. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- The above muslim user seems to be very confused, he refers to articles on hate crimes committed by Lebanese Muslims in australia against white women...i don't think he understands that sometimes muslims commit hate crimes too...he needs to look at his NPOV...this man has vanadalised several articles where race info is the determining factor in the crime or criminals mentioned...I do not think he is willing to accept that race hate crimes are not just committed by skinheads. PLease ban User:Tariqabjotu he is a vandal.--203.208.102.224 14:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- That would be an over-generalization. Yes, most of the victims were white and yes most of perpatrators were Lebanese. But that doesn't mean it's a hate crime. The Sydney gang rapes article mentions in the intro that the set of crimes was part of a hate crime, as cites three sources. However, each source is just quoting the same newspaper columnist's opinion that it's a hate crime. See also Talk:Sydney gang rapes#Introduction. Anyway, this is starting to edge away from needing admin attention; I'll try to resolve the issue with the user on his/her talk page, but I hope an admin can keep an eye on this. The user was blocked for three hours about twelve hours ago for similar conduct on the Sydney gang rapes article. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 15:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
A prominent UK media community is currently discussing and evaluating Wikipedia's article on Digital audio broadcasting. It seems to have a problem with POV edits from dynamic IP addresses at the moment, and so if a few admins could watch the article, it'd be a great help. I'm sure that Wikipedia would be viewed negatively by them if the article was to be vandalised whilst it's "in the spotlight" there. Esteffect 15:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Persistent copyvio at Rah Crawford
The Rah Crawford article consists primarily of text lifted wholly from the artist's website. I've removed the copyvio text more than once, but User:Tywho puts it back without any comment or explanation ([58] [59]). This is even after notifying him of the copyright problems at his talk page. I don't want to remove the text again, so as not to violate the 3RR rule. I'm not sure what else to do, or if there is a more appropriate place to bring this up. eaolson 15:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I haven't reviewed the situation, but if you're removing a copyright violation, you're reverting vandalism and illegal content, so 3RR doesn't apply. Geogre 16:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I would add that the content appears to be simply an "exhibition list". A list of works, or exhibits, etc is generally considered "public information", not subject to copyright violation. If these exhibits or works are private, for distribution to friends, not the public, that would be a different issue. Wjhonson 16:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Someone else removed the copyrighted text, which is why only the list remains. I will remember that about the 3RR rule for the future, thanks. eaolson 18:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Indefinite block for User:CrazyInSane
I have indefinitely blocked CrazyInSane and am coming here for communal approval (full disclosure, I had a brief encounter with the user when they were POV pushing on December 25). I have been keeping track of the various BC-AD/BCE-CE conflicts while staying uninvolved. CrazyInsane is one of the worst POV pushers in that regard despite the prominent claim on his user page that all he cares about is NPOV. The user has been problematic from the moment they joined Wikipedia, including using sockpuppets to push their POV [60]. The user claimed to be an atheist as a repeated rhetorical device despite his status as a strongly believing Christian which he now acknowledges prominently on his user page. He does occasionally have a good edit, but these recent edits [61][62][63][64] [65] and others have convinced me that he will not stop other POV pushing and will use/abuse/ignore policy to suit his purpose. JoshuaZ 16:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Did you remember to notify the user in question about the block and the reasoning for it? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. I am an established user and have most definitely not made any POV-pushing edits in the past very long period, the "evidence" that "JodhuaZ" presents do not show any evidence of POV pushing. The edits in regard to Common Era were to ensure that there was no uncited information presented as fact, and to put the "Christian Era" term at the same level as "Current Era"...nowhere did I make any POV-pushing efforts. As for the Xmas article, I thought that information was more "updated" than the previous information, and was NOT POV-pushing in the least. If some think I was, after one reversion I stopped attempting so what's the deal here? And the one's he selected as "showcasing my POV" are a few edits out of the hundreds I make every day. And those that JoshuaZ selected are not even recent, they're from 21 July. You want recent edits? Here are a collection of my most recent edits, all of which are in no way related to POV-pushing, [66][67][68][69][70][71][72](this one is actually AGAINST my "supposed" POV views–clearly evident I have no bias)[73][74][75][76][77]...you want more? Please visit Special:Contributions/CrazyInSane and decide for yourself. I believe I am a productive editor and in no way deserve to be blocked indefinitely. I deserve some kind of defense. — CrazyInSane ... (under another Username due to being blocked) NewUser0001 18:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- The evidence above is self-explanatory- you have repeatedly claimed things were POV and used that as a reason to delete material even as a few days before you add in exactly the same sort of unsourced material that supports your view. I also strongly suggest that when contesting a block, not to state your intentions of avoiding of it as you did here. JoshuaZ 19:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I blocked User:NewUser0001 for block evasion. CrazyInSane is probably the worst POV warrior I've ever seen on Wikipedia. See the Secularization of Christian holidays as an example of the sort of POV footholds he's been building on the 'pedia. That I've seen, there's been a definite net loss of NPOV on any article related to Christianity in the modern era that he's edited, and I don't think that blocking him would harm the project. With that said, I'm still a bit bothered by this indefblock. It seems to have come without any warning, and while he's certainly exhausted the community's patience, I think there ought be more warning before such a block is given. JDoorjam Talk 19:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- My apologies. I'm still a somewhat new admin. In the future, I will warn users more before commiting to such actions. JoshuaZ 20:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- On the basis of my dealings with this user (at Spring holiday) and on what has been written here, I most emphatically do not support an indefinite block, or indeed any block. I have reviewed CiS's talk page and I find no discussion that substantiates a block. The only discussion from the admin doing the blocking is to advise of the block with very limited reasoning and moreover quite some time after blocking.[78] Looking at User CiS's recent contributions it is not at clear to me what triggered JoshuaZ's block. I will ask the blocking admin for more clarification. I do not approve of block evasions and thus do support the block of User:NewUser0001 in line with the policy at WP:Block accordingly.--A Y Arktos\talk 21:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)::One might think that the block evasion might be enough to understand why the block was administered. Besides, what leap in illogic would have you support a block on a sock, but not on its owner? In any case...
- [79] removed tags because....why? [80] not sure what gov't workers he spoke with, but... [81] this speaks for itself. [82] defending his AD view (implicitly)... [83] again... In fact, going thru his/her last 200 edits shows a strong inclination to push his/her POV regarding the "secularisation of Christmas". This is not a neutral editor -- this is a frequent POV pusher and edit warrior. •Jim62sch• 22:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Calls it POV to list the CE -era meaning of CE first [86] which has to be one of the most ridiculous edits I have ever seen if not for this one and this [87] makes me curious as to whether Crazy has any knowledge of Chinese, or just can't stand the thought of everyone using a more secular notation. [88] is again yet another example of his applying double standards, declaring a source to not be reliable enough when he doesn't like it, yet adding things he does agree with with no sourcing or minimal sourcing. Describes reasonable edits as vandalism: [89]. If you want I have many more edits of this sort, and his editing behavior is identical to what he started at when he first started editing. JoshuaZ 22:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- If the community sustains this indefinite block, I have from the 9/11 conspiracy theory nexus a list of egregious POV pushers who will be next up. I can support a block of up to a week for failure to learn from previous blocks, and the expressed intent to evade the present block. I see some blocks for edit warring as well. If there is any more of that, I support blocks for it as appropriate. Beyond that, I do not see persistent revert-warring, or personnal attacks, or sockpuppetry at the User:Giovanni33 level. This looks like a content dispute, and it looks like CrazyInSane is on the wrong side of it - that is, not my side. I find the whole CE/AD thing annoying; I wish everyone would just leave it as he finds it. But unless I'm missing something, it is just a content dispute. Has there been a request for comment? Tom Harrison Talk 22:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's more than just the CE/AD thing, and there has been at least some persistent revert-warring, but you've definitely gotten to the heart of this: there's been no RfC, just a number of editors who became increasingly frustrated and now aren't heartbroken to see him go. I agree with Tom: User:JoshuaZ ought to file an RfC and reduce the block, and ferry comments from CrazyInSane's talk page to RfC. JDoorjam Talk 22:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- In response to what leap in illogic would have you support a block on a sock, but not on its owner? - I support a block of a sock because using a sock while blocked breaches the Wikipedia:Blocking policy. I agree very strongly with the notion of an RfC. I think the block should be cancelled. I would like the blocking admin to acknowledge that in future he will use the user warning system before blocking. --A Y Arktos\talk 22:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- And the sock did that all on its own, eh? Kinda like imprisoning Mr Hyde, but keeping Dr Jekyll out of gaol, no? •Jim62sch• 23:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
While some users seem to endorse my actions, there seems to be a significant fraction which find it premature. Therefore, I will reduce the block to 1 week as a block for persistent edit warring and stated intention to avoid a block. I will file an RfC when that block expires. Does this make sense to everyone? JoshuaZ 22:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It is a start and certainly better than the present state of affairs. However, I would like you to review the Blocking policy and ensure that your block lines up with that. It is policy! Under disruption for example the policy states : Users will normally be warned before they are blocked. but more importantly Blocks for disruption should only be placed when a user is in some way making it difficult for others to contribute to Wikipedia. I do not see any evidence that this user makes it difficult for others to contribute. There is no way in my view that you have met the requirements for a block under "Users who exhaust the community's patience" as you have not escalated the matter appropriately and tested for community concensus. So what exactly is the rationale under the policy for the block and how do you justify a week when the policy states Block duration may vary, but normally lasts 24 hours?--A Y Arktos\talk 23:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- To respond to your comments here- I would interpret prior blocks for 3RVR and edit warring as reasonable warnings about disruption. Similarly, POV pushing is inherently disruptive and takes up other editors time "making it difficult for others to contribute to Wikipedia." As for your claim that I had not tested community consensus, I most certainly did- I talked to two admins before adminstering the block and reported the block here specificly asking if there was a consensus for the block. Note my above request for community approval in the start of this thread. As for the 24 hour part, the user has been repeatedly blocked before and has stated an intention to avoid blocks. That seems to me to pretty easily merit a block longer than 24 hours. JoshuaZ 23:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Re: "So what exactly is the rationale under the policy for the block and how do you justify a week when the policy states Block duration may vary, but normally lasts 24 hours?" See the definitions of norm and mean (and probably median and mode). All "normally lasts 24 hours" means is that that is the average, or most common, period. It does not imply a period that must be adhered to, although many seem to infer that it does. •Jim62sch• 23:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think reducing it to a week is fine, and I want to make clear that I do not think you did anything wrong by blocking. You made a thought-out decision, brought it here for discussion, and were open to reason about it. Tom Harrison Talk 23:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- The block log indicates that the blocks you refer to are some time ago, the most recent is two months old. Testing community concensus is not talking to two others. Moreover "FYI, I have decided to indefinitely block User:CrazyInSane and have posted a report as such to WP:ANI"[90] is not talking or discussing, it is telling somebody who isn't even the user you were about to block ?!? It isn't discussion but it may be that you had the disussion elsewhere;[91] but in which case it isn't reviewable and we don't know. Definitely not concensus seeking. Reporting the block here after you have blocked is a start, but does not mitigate the excessive use of admin tools. Since you have placed no warnings to the use of 3RVR (and nor was he guilty of it this time), nor had you apparently warned him of escalated POV pushing, I don't see how you are building on warnings for disruption with an all out indefinite block, no RfC, no RfAr, no nothing to back up your judgement. As stated above, how do you go from the most recent but two month old 24 hour block to an indefinite block, or even a week long block? (I do understand the difference between mean, mode and median and I do not understand why the most common, regardless of how defined, period is not being used here.) The immediately previous block was nearly a month earlier for a 3RR violation. Unlike the other users, I believe blocking without warning is wrong and hence your blocking action in this instance is wrong. It would not have been wrong to block if you had warned the uyser and he had continued wiht his behaviour. It is a case of "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". In this case I do not endorse User:CrazyInSane's views on common era or many other topics, not even usually interested in that scope of topic actually despite my appearance at Spring holiday. I do not however see substantially disruptive behaviour from this user to warrant extended blocks and thus gagging this editor. In my view all blocked users are entitled to be warned at least once before being blocked for whatever actions are making the contemplating-a-block-admin angry. Use the {{blatantvandal}} template if nothing else.--A Y Arktos\talk 00:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Overused quotes from Voltaire aside, I think you misunderstand the situation a bit. First, the comment to Jayjg was because he was one of the admins I had already discussed the matter with (I discussed it with him because he had done some of the work linking sockpuppets to CrazyInSane). Second, I don't know how much attention you pay to WP:ANI but it is common practice to report a possibly controversial block here for approval - a procedure which is endorsed in the blocking policy. Third, I'm perplexed by your suggestion of the blatantvandal template here since that template is generally used for edits which are largescale unmistakable vandalism, not repeated POV pushing. Fourth, you seem to have ignored the fact that part of the week block is for his new sockpuppet and stated intent under that sock to resume sockpuppeting if his main account stayed blocked. If you still feel that I have not acted appropriately, you are welcome to file an RfC about my actions. JoshuaZ 00:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've put a {{deletedpage}} template on this page to prevent the YTMND crew from posting it. Can an admin lock it for me?? --TheM62Manchester 17:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- It has only been created once and was deleted 21:51, 28 July 2006 and not recreated since (except by you for the deleted page tag). What makes you believe there is a problem? --pgk(talk) 18:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Apologies. It's just the YTMND are attacking British Shorthair now, hence it's semiprotection! --TheM62Manchester 18:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just redeleted this, salting pages is generally only done when there is a demonstration of recreation of delete content., that does not appear to be happening at this time. — xaosflux Talk 18:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
spam attack on new users
Daniel-29 (talk · contribs), possibly Johnny the Vandal was able to attack dozens of new users before getting blocked. Not a nice way for new users to be greeted here. I am in the process of welcoming all these new users, please keep an eye out in case he does it again. NoSeptember 18:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just deleted and welcomed all of the ones that D29 was still on top of. — xaosflux Talk 18:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you and also Dcooper, who did a great job of welcoming others on the list. If anyone sees a string of brand new users with blue linked talk pages, investigate it, this sort of attack may be a possibility. NoSeptember 18:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Roitr-SOS!
Please anybody block these active sockpuppets of Roitr!
- Tibol (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Hyrold (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Iyuf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Oliversi1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Gjyuity (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Kyuieg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Kusik (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Leonemirovsky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Mufas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Jkhkd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Gjyuityi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
--Nixer 19:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
User:Bluegold sockpuppet tags
User:Bluegold has been removing sockpuppet templates from his various alleged sockpuppets, and has removed the puppet master template from his own user page. He's caused some disruptions in the past; right now he's claiming that old "WP is founded by porn!" business.--Cúchullain t/c 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Really, I thought that it was OKAY to remove it, Cuchullain (the puppy of Ulster, Old Irish) put it back on again. Bluegold 20:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- And now he's trolling my talk page. [92][93]--Cúchullain t/c 20:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Now he's vandalizing my user page. [94]--Cúchullain t/c 21:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Reverted, deleted trolling and warned. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
He asked for an indef block on my userpage. I was happy to do as he demanded. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
User appears to have registered an account, used Curps's user page [95] and user talk page [96] as his/her own via transclusion, and as his/hers only edit, put a nonsensical AfD nomination on Spain. I reverted the Curps stuff, speedy-closed the AfD, and now post here to request action by an admin. Thanks, --20:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
User has been indef. blocked. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, Zoe! --MCB 22:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
A friend in need
Folks, please nip over to User talk:A Man In Black and calm down a friend in need. Thanks. Just zis Guy you know? 20:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Guettarda (talk · contribs) has twice reverted my close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Trinidadian English terms (an AFD in which he/she is involved) and restored List of Trinidadian English terms, despite being asked to instead take the issue to DRV if he/she dislikes how I closed it.
Can someone please resolve this? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- IIRC, it's discouraged for participants in an AFD to close/unclose it, but I do agree with Geuttarda that it is no consensus, and there are similar lists. Will (Take me down to the Paradise City) 22:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It would appear that lists of words violate the provision that Wikipedia should not have articles which define individual words, nor should it include Lists of such definitions. However, we have Category:Lists of words, Category:Lists_of_slang and Category:Lists of phrases, among others. Policy is descriptive, not prescriptive. Is this policy still being applied (in which case, all of these articles must be deleted), or not (in which case the wording of the policy needs to be changed). I have raised the issue at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Lists_of_Words.
For some reason AMiB believes that he is free to IAR, but for everyone else in the world "the rules" must be fetished. This is the most twisted wikilawyering I have ever come across. Guettarda 22:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nevertheless, a third party admin (AMIB) closed the debate, so the next (and only) available option is deletion review. — Deckiller 22:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Could someone do something about this nonsense, please? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- You're both violating WP:CIVIL (you at this edit). You both need to calm down now. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I admit my profanity was inappropriate, and the initial incivility on Guettarda's part is unfortunately but understandable, but I don't think accusing me of being autistic is appropriate with any provocation. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree with Finlay. Let's just see how the deletion review turns out and move on with editing. — Deckiller 22:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Pat8722
Knowledge Seeker blocked Pat8722 (talk · contribs) (a user conduct Rfc on Pat8722 can be found here) indefinitely a few days ago for persistent violations of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA. After comments from two administrators on this page stating that perhaps, instead of an indef block, we should simply keep an eye on Pat8722 for now, the block was removed. Today, Pat8722 began editing again for the first time since the block was removed. Pat8722 has labelled a legitimate edit as "vandalism" ([97]) and made accusations of bad faith in the course of merely arguing a point over content and policy, instead of sticking only to the relevant issues. Pat8722's edits today have done nothing to indicate he deserves the good faith Knowledge Seeker extended toward Pat8722 in removing the block. I encourage another admin to look into Pat8722's conduct (especially his recent personal attack on User:Davidruben, which is detailed at the bottom of the user conduct rfc). · j·e·r·s·y·k·o talk · 00:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Also of note is Pat8722's response to Knowledge Seeker on Knowledge Seeker's talk page. · j·e·r·s·y·k·o talk · 00:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- ^ "WikiEN-l Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", Jimmy Wales, May 16, 2006