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Afghanistan afghani
Before you make moves please learn from official government sites of afghanistan or cia factbook. afghanistani is never used in any official government sites of afghanistan and neither is it used in any other official government or official media reports. afghanistani is only used in some places by those who lack education and not in the mood to investigate.--Hurooz (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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Comment
Reading your comment on the Spam Whitelist page, instead of blindly reverting my edit without reading furthur into it, you could have alternatively messaged me about why I removed the link to begin with, instead trying to revert and then complain at a talk page and not let me know about it at all. — Save_Us_229 13:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Pre-Meiji Period: Use of Japanese era name in identifying disastrous events
Would you consider making a contribution to an exchange of views at either of the following:
As you know, Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management came up with entirely reasonable guidelines for naming articles about earthquakes, fires, typhoons, etc. However, the <<year>><<place> <<event>> format leaves no opportunity for conventional nengō which have been used in Japan since the eighth century (701-1945) -- as in "the Great Fire of Meireki" (1657) or for "the Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji" (1707).
In a purely intellectual sense, I do look forward to discovering how this exchange of views will develop; but I also have an ulterior motive. I hope to learn something about how better to argue in favor of a non-standard exception to conventional, consensus-driven, and ordinarily helpful wiki-standards such as this one. In my view, there does need to be some modest variation in the conventional paradigms for historical terms which have evolved in non-Western cultures -- no less in Wikipedia than elsewhere. I'm persuaded that, at least in the context of Japanese history before the reign of Emperor Meiji (1868-1912), some non-standard variations seem essential; but I'm not sure how best to present my reasoning to those who don't already agree with me. I know these first steps are inevitably awkward; but there you have it.
The newly-created 1703 Genroku earthquake article pushed just the right buttons for me. Obviously, these are questions that I'd been pondering for some time; and this became a convenient opportunity to move forward in a process of building a new kind of evolving consensus. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 18:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Section Layout
I've reverted your edits to my use of the {{details}} template in the Iowa and New Hampshire sections of Results of the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries. WP:LAYOUT#Body Sections indicates that the use of {{main}} or {{details}} is the proper style to use here. Wdfarmer (talk) 13:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with your idea on moving the discussion; please do so. I'll leave it up to you to create an introduction to the discussion so that others can follow it. I also agree with your idea that, if the link to the larger article is in the section header and not in a {{details}}, that the full section title should be used as the link. I see that user:Psantora has tentatively taken my lead and added several {{details}} to Results of the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, while retaining the original links in the section headers. I think you and I would both agree that having identical links in both the section header and the {{details}} is unnecessary and confusing. The style guide seems to indicate that using {{details}} is the way to go, and I personally would go that way instead of using the section header; it makes an explicit indication that additional edits should go in the larger article. Wdfarmer (talk) 07:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thanks
Thanks for tweaking Template:2008Demprimaries. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 07:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Your opinion is solicited
Please see for comment:Wikipedia talk:List of notable accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft/Guideline for inclusion criteria and format#Definition of Incident presently includes LOS and Runway incursion Thanks, LeadSongDog (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
comment invited
As an occasional past editor at Template:United States presidential election, 2008,
your comment is invited at Template talk:United States presidential election, 2008#Revisited: Proposal on minimum standards for listing on template
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Removing (United States) from primary article titles
For uniformity, do you plan to rename the parent articles also? The current title situation is:
- Democratic Party (United States)
- Republican Party (United States)
which is a rather inconsistent mess. I'd find it less confusing if "(United States)" was never used, "United States Democratic Party" replaced "Democratic Party" throughout, and "United States Republican Party" replaced "Republican Party (United States)" throughout. Wdfarmer (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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As an occasional editor to the discussion at Template:United States presidential election, 2008 your input would be appreciated at Template talk:United States presidential election, 2008#Proposal: A return to the old standards. Thank you.--STX 04:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks
Wow, am I glad you caught that vandalism on my userpage last night. That would not be good if that was up there long.
Have you heard of rollback before? It allows a user to revert vandalism much faster than by undo-ing it. I think you should ask for it. I am not an admin, or I would give it to you myself. I just wanted to let you know about the existence of rollback because before someone randomly gave it to me, I did not know it existed. If you ask for it, you should have no problem getting it. Good luck, and may the vandals fail... J.delanoygabsadds 15:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Vote to overturn previous consensus on rows
Thanks for your past comments and contributions at Results of the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries. Right now there is a significant vote taking place at Talk:Results of the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries#Vote to overturn previous consensus on rows about whether or not to overturn a previous consensus that each row in the Overview of results table should represent individual nominating events. The vote ends at the close of March 19, 2008 (UTC). The vote contains the negative-option that if there is a tie or fewer than 4 total signatures the previous consensus will prevail. I invite you to visit the talk page and submit your vote on the matter. Thanks! --Bryan H Bell (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- The vote has completed. The result was to uphold the previous consensus that each row in the Overview of results table should summarize nomination events, not aggregate state results. Thanks for your participation in the vote! --Bryan H Bell (talk) 00:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Rickroll cover
Greetings. You recently removed info about a remix of Never_Gonna_Give_You_Up from the article because of claims that it is not notable. However, notability guidelines apply only to topics to be covered with an article, and not to content within articles. See WP:NNC. This is why I have undone your edit to add back the info about the remix in question. Z00r (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I would request that you do not continue to revert the above user blanking of their talkpage. Editors do have the right to remove content. The old block has expired, and the current editor may not be the one that caused the original sanction. Thanks. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
99.231.188.41
There isn't a consensus about whether and IP can blank it's talk page, but this is just a friendly note that it's probably not worth it to edit war over this IP talk page. -- Ed (Edgar181) 20:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
User seems to be getting pretty agitated at you. ;) Can see where you're coming from, but generally reverting warning removal doesn't lead anyplace good in my experience, and can rapidly create an antagonistic atmosphere. Granted that you were also restoring declined unblock requests and a sharedip-style template, and those are sometimes worth reverting over. Just quickly linking this edit and Wikipedia:USER#Removal of comments, warnings for your edification, in case you weren't aware. – Luna Santin (talk) 20:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Don't bite the newbies
Hi Zntrip! Remember that just because I'm editing from an IP doesn't mean I'm not editing in good faith! If you had looked at the article history of social criticism, you could probably have saved yourself the trouble of reverting my edit and commenting on my talk page. --208.81.93.125 (talk) 03:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The Black Parade Is Dead! Tracklist
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Recent edits to Euro
Zntrip, I will let it go this time, but I am warning you: other editors will fill offended by this edit. Bulgaria for example is doing huge changes in the Euro environment, not only towards adopting the Euro but also towards changing any sort of topics to use Cyrillic alphabet. If I am not mistaken, the new Euro notes already have Euro written in Cyrillic on it as well. I am sure other editors will revert your recent changes, be ready to fight if you feel the contrary. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 04:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi
Regarding you vote for keeping Mo icon, while at first glance someone would say your argument is sound, it actually reveals you don't know what you were voting for. You have just voted in favor of political propaganda, and it's not me saying it. You have many quotes saying it here. You can also read the previous posts in that 'Templates for deletion page' (it seems you haven't). Thanks. adriatikus | talk 05:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
official languages of the European Central Bank
Hi Zntrip, I saw you reverted my change of the unofficial names of the euro, citing the infobox regulation of giving "all official languages of the European Central Bank". I'm fine with that, but what sources do you have about what the official languages of the ECB really are? Do they differ from the official languages of the EU as a whole? Or are we talking about the internal working languages of the ECB as an institution (so that would most probably be English, German and French)? - I would appreciate if you could give some sources. Cheers. MikeZ (talk) 20:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I've largely not contributed much to WP recently in terms of content, partly due to being busy and partly due to investing much time on Wikinews. It will be good to get back into things here and that article looks interesting. I will make time for it. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for that; it is always good to hear when your work is apreciated. You should see my typo count, though... I dunno if you checked the talk page, but as well as the DYK I have nommed it at WP:GAN. I doubt it'll pass but I never do and they often make it, so we'll see. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Re: Some changes to election pages
I like the box you have created, only I think there should be a space at the bottom of the tables similar to the ones I used, showing whether the particular election was a Rep/Dem/Ind/etc. win (in the case of newly created districts), gain from another party, or hold. The "swing" part of that line can be omitted. Socal gal at heart (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I am checking over your proposed template and seeing if I can use some of the election box templates already out there to fit the tables to your proposed one. I will have an example using those templates, with the district 12 special. Socal gal at heart (talk) 23:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I just worked out the templates I wanted to use for the revised election tables, and finally came up with one for the CA-12 special, omitting the percent changes and the "swing" part of the bottom line. Socal gal at heart (talk) 00:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I made a template to bold the information of the winning candidate so we can keep the winner in boldface so he or she will stand out from everyone else. Socal gal at heart (talk) 00:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | |
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Democratic | Jackie Speier | 66,279 | 76.90 | |
Republican | Greg Conlon | 7,990 | 9.27 | |
Democratic | Michelle McMurry | 4,546 | 5.27 | |
Republican | Mike Moloney | 4,517 | 5.24 | |
Green | Barry Hermanson | 1,947 | 2.26 | |
Libertarian | Kevin Peterson (write-in) | 2 | 0.00 | |
Republican | Robert Brickell-Viagra (write-in) | 0 | 0.00 | |
Rejected ballots | 903 | 1.05 | ||
Total votes | 86,184 | 100.00 | ||
Turnout | 25.69 | |||
Democratic hold |
On my recent changes, I tried the merging of the total and turnout lines because everyone knows the totals will always add up to 100%, so putting the 100% there seemed superfluous. Socal gal at heart (talk) 07:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for reverting my talk page. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
re:Deletion review for Leathermouth
Hi Zntrip. Thanks for discussing your concerns with me. :) WP:MUSIC is a guideline and is not prescriptive. Meeting a criterion there can be considered an evidence of notability, of course, but it doesn't always ensure that a topic is notable (which is why I closed The AfD as delete due to "insufficient evidence of notability"). The article lacks third-party references. Almost all citations come from the band official website - not entirely reliable. In the absence of substantial coverage, a band like this can only be considered as a minor project of two notable people. I believe such topics usually don't have consensus to have a separate article on Wikipedia. Best regards, --PeaceNT (talk) 03:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
RE: Deletion Review for Thomas McClelland
I fully understand your request for deletion, however I disagree. I have now put sources in place and none of facts in the article are from personal research. The is also evidence of notability with these references. This article/entry is important, as Captain Thomas L. McClelland lead one of the main Amphibious Groups in the Gulf War, as well as serving in many other commands. Please reconsider deletion. Thanks alot, Afuller2028 (talk) 05:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Revision history of Timeline of first orbital launches by country
Zntrip, the revision history of Timeline of first orbital launches by country shows you have now twice reverted changes by other users, each time eliminating mention of a well-documented plan of the civilian space agency of Ecuador. Please be aware of WP:3RR. Perhaps a discussion at Talk:Timeline of first orbital launches by country would be a good idea? (sdsds - talk) 05:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:Bourbon Dolphin sinking.jpg listed for deletion
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Fair use rationale
Hi, Zntrip. Could you write a fair use rationale for Image:Bourbon Dolphin sinking.jpg? The current one is incomplete. Also, it seems the source link is broken. Could you fix that? Thanks, --Damiens.rf 13:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Edits to multiple sections
In the current events portal, you've been editing multiple sections, marking your edit as "minor," and leaving no comment. Can I ask you to please stop that? SkyDot (talk) 23:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: MCR Singles
I think there might be a misunderstanding concerning what constitutes a "single." "Vampires Will Nver Hurt You" does indeed have a music video, but I can find no record whatsoever that it or "Our Lady of Sorrows" were ever actually released as singles. I could be wrong, obviously, but see no reason to classify either song as a single without evidence (other than the music video, of course). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Friginator (talk • contribs) 00:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason to keep unsourced information out there, but don't want to start an edit war over this. --User:Friginator 20:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding comment added at 01:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Total valid votes
Hi. I put the "total valid votes" lines in to avoid confusion with the percentages, since the invalid votes are not used when calculating percentages that each candidate received, and I thought that without the total valid votes, some people might be confused, finding the total of the candidates' percentages and the invalid percentages add up to over 100%. Socal gal at heart (talk) 04:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Prop 11
The link to the prop 11 page on Ballotpedia (which links a lot of pages to Wikipedia) would take me to a page asking me to create the prop 11 page but when I'd search that title in Ballotpedia I'd find the page. I ended up accidentally making the page redirect to itself and was unable to undo it. SteveSims (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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Channel Tunnel fire disambig
Greetings Zntrip, thank you for your contributions. I notice that you're quite a frequent mover of pages; When taking a page that was uniquely identifiable before (such as Channel Tunnel fire, pointing at Channel Tunnel fire (1996), it would be useful if you could take the time to update all the links and seealso/main/otheruses tags to match that may have been broken in the process. Many appreciations for your enthusiastic editing. —Sladen (talk) 12:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- moved back from User talk:Sladen#Re: Channel Tunnel fire disambig
- I'm sorry about that, I should have known better. I made a lot of edits yesterday and I must have forgotten. I'll see if there's still work to be done. – Zntrip 18:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for responding. I notice you are continuing[1] to[2] add[3] links[4] to Channel Tunnel fire (1996) despite you, yourself having renamed the article[5] a mere fourteen hours earlier to be 1996 Channel Tunnel fire.
- On a similar note, you appear to have twice[6] renamed[7] the Channel Tunnel fire (2008) article to 2008 Channel Tunnel fire without any edit summary or explanation on the talk page; despite the change having been reverted[8] in the meantime.
- Could you take a minute or ten and give some background over at Talk:Channel Tunnel fire (2008)#Naming so that other editors can more easily understand the thought process involved in the renames. It would be beneficial to clean up the mess (again), or revert the name changes (I think tha latter would be simpler for everyone else involved).
- Once again, thank you for taking part in Wikipedia. Appreciations, —Sladen (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry about the confusion about the redirects. I through, judging on what you first wrote, that the page had been moved back to Channel Tunnel fire (1996). – Zntrip 21:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Ref changes
You have been changing news references to put the name of the publication in the publisher= field. But the template notes say the name of the publication goes in the work= field, and the publisher= field is for the name of the publishing company. Dhaluza (talk) 04:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- If it doesn't matter, then why not follow the template guidelines? Also for an article published online only, then the website is the work, and the publisher is the company that makes it a reliable source. For an article written by newspaper staff, then the newspaper can be the work, but where it is from a wire service, then the newspaper is not doing any "work" on it. Dhaluza (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Vampires Will Never Hurt You Image
Good job on finding an image, but it doesn't look official. It might be a promo, but I doubt it's official. The band logo is different, the Eyeball records logo is different, the band pictures are just screenshots from the music video, there's no copyright, the artwork has little to nothing to do with the song, and you gave no source. Frankly, though I respect your dedication to this article, I also doubt anywhere you got this is a credible source in the first place. If this was simply a promotional givaway, then why is it in a jewel cd case, and not a cardboard slipcase? I may be wrong about this, but I don't think this is real. I have decided to stop redirecting this page, however, because the music video itself might warrant a separate article anyway. --Friginator 03:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
"Doesn't look real" was just my opinion, I didn't mean to imply it was a reliable fact. You mention substantial evidence is needed, but still you have no evidence other than a poor-quality photo with no source. I'm sorry, but I will keep changing things back until there is reason to pass this off as true. The reason I haven't brought up "Like Phantoms, Forever" is because I have never done any digging on it, and I KNOW it is very rare. Also, even if the supposed "single" WAS offered as a promotional item, it STILL doesn't count. The template even states, DO NOT ADD NEW SINGLES UNLESS CONFIRMED BY THE LABEL OR THE BAND. If you know a reliable source, by all means please give it. Otherwise I will continue to remove your unsourced information on something that may not even exist in the first place. --Friginator 04:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I would like to add that I think the image should be added. It is pretty good evidence pointing towards the single being official. Orfen T • C 02:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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Vampires Will Never Hurt You: Reliable Sources
Thanks for the suggestion. I have posted our discussion over the single on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. --Friginator 01:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Update: Orfen brought this to my attention. You should check it out. I still have my doubts, but there could be a case for this being an obscure promotional single. --Friginator 02:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In response to your last message: I don't know about conclusive, seeing as how the website doesn't exist and therefore can't be cited as a source, but it's definitely enough to keep the images and info up there for the time being. Someone somewhere needs to find out more about this, because there's no official explanation as to when or where this was released. All we have to go on are images, and there needs to be more than that. My theory is that the band themselves made this as a demo cd before they had released Bullets. Again, I'm also not sure if this technically counts as a single, as it was probably just something the band gave out as a promo item at shows and such. I say we list this as an EP, along with Like Phantoms, Forever but I would need consensus. --Friginator 23:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In response to your newest message:Pretty much. But if it's not sold anywhere, and wasn't made by the record label is it a single? Eyeball Records is on there, but it's not the official logo and I'm guessing they didn't produce it. I'm not sure what that would be classified as, but singles are meant to measure the popularity of a song before it comes out by how many copies it sells. The cd is worth including in the article, but I think we should wait to put it under the "singles" category, as all the other singles were actually sold and confirmed by record labels and sales figures. I think we should leave the page under "related articles" and avoid messing with the other singles pages for the time being. --Friginator 01:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
RE: For now, I'm okay with that, but more info is still needed. The main reason I'm worried about listing this as a single is that I don't think we're going to find anything else on it. Nobody seems to know anything about it, and though it's probably real, I doubt there's very much tangible evidence out there. I'll try contacting Eyeball about it. --Friginator 22:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
current events
I reverted your edit to current events. The only other privately developed launcher I'm aware of is the Pegasus, but it's not a complete launch vehicle, requiring a huge jet powered aircraft for its first stage. Please let me know if I'm in error. --Duk 04:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- How is the Falcon 1 the first privately developed space launch vehicle as apposed to the Atlas V or Delta IV? – Zntrip 04:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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ITN
--SpencerT♦C 18:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
--SpencerT♦C 02:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
2008 Chatsworth train collision
In the 2008 Chatsworth train collision item, the main thing added by the RGI article was the rule that drivers report signal aspects to the guard. Left unsaid is the requirement that guard apply the brakes should anything seem amiss in these reports from the driver (microsleep/knocked out by thown stones/heart attack/etc.)
There are parallels with the Waterfall train disaster, where the guard, noticing (or failing to notice while reading his newspaper/drinking his sea/microsleeping) the ever increasing speed of the train as they all approached an extemely sharp and dangerously low speed sets of curves, could not bring himself to apply the brakes, since this would not be "worth his job" vis a vis the majesty of the excellencyness of the driver who belongs to a different and far more illustriously superior union. Passengers would have noticed the increasing speeds too, though it is not clear if there were any passenger-accessable brakes.
A series of books on rail safety looking at several accidents such as Waterfall wonders why we bother having guards, since they have done little to prevent certain accidents. BTW, guards in the United Kingdom are better trained and do seem to pull the tail more often and for reasonable reasons.
If the guard (conductor) of the Chatsworth trains suffered a poorly timed microsleep and missed the drivers reports for that reason, well, I can understand that, since, as a passenger I have occasionally overshot my stop for the same drowsy reason. If however, the conductor has never been instructed officially by the railroad about what to do if a driver fails to report a signal, then that would put a whole new slant on things, wouldn't it?
I notice that User:Zntrip has removed all reference to Waterfall from Chatsworth, which I think harmful to the understanding of this case.
Tabletop (talk) 08:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Moar ITN
Thanks for the help, mate! :) Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- Meh, nobody's counting. :P Just one thought; think the title is good? It was the closest I could think of using, though I know it isn't 100% true (there have only been riots in Goma). Thoughts? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, I like your logic. :P Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again! :) Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Referendum Page Templates
You wrote on my page:
- I appreciate your help with the proposition result templates, but I don’t think the changes were necessary. For example, referendum pending, referendum approved}}, and {{referendum rejected}} are basically the same as {{referendum box begin}}. The only difference is the check and X images.
Oh Really? Here's the total output of {{Referendum box begin}} (have to end it to make it not trail over, however): Template:Referendum box begin Template:Referendum box end
Here's mine (if 99 was pending):
{{Referendum pending| title = Proposition 99
|no=1,644,509|no%=36.14|yes=2,678,106|yes%=58.86|invalid=227,612|invalid%=5.00
|total=4,550,227|turnout%=28.22}}
Here's how it outputs:
Choice | Votes | % |
---|---|---|
Yes | 2,678,106 | 58.86 |
No | 1,644,509 | 36.14 |
Total votes | 4,550,227 | 100.00 |
Notice how the values are ignored. Now, here's the original code for the box for Proposition 99:
{{Referendum box begin
| title = Proposition 99
}}
{{Referendum box winning choice
| choice = Yes
| votes = 2,678,106
| percentage = 58.86
}}
{{Referendum box choice
| choice = No
| votes = 1,644,509
| percentage = 36.14
}}
{{Referendum box invalid
| votes = 227,612
| percentage = 5.00
}}
{{Referendum box total
| votes = 4,550,227
| percentage = 100.00
}}
{{Referendum box turnout
| percentage = 28.22
}}
{{Referendum box end}}
And here's mine (and I checked, they both do the same thing:)
{{Referendum approved| title = Proposition 99
|no=1,644,509|no%=36.14|yes=2,678,106|yes%=58.86|invalid=227,612|invalid%=5.00
|total=4,550,227|turnout%=28.22}}
Except for the fact it breaks across the edit window, mine is essentially one line, and not terribly difficult to read or to understand. And this is what it does:
Choice | Votes | % |
---|---|---|
Yes | 2,678,106 | 58.86 |
No | 1,644,509 | 36.14 |
Total votes | 4,550,227 | 100.00 |
By leaving empty parameters on the template call for pending all someone has to do after the election is change it to approved or rejected and add the statistical information. Having read this, let me ask you one question: Which of these is easier to write and update (especially after the election), the original... or mine? I Remember the first rule of computing I learned as a programmer; let the computer do the tedious work, and that's what I think my templates do; moves the tedious work of formatting and checking the box to be consistent from the writer to the computer, where it should be. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 00:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
You wrote (on my page):
- I think the first is easier to edit. Most editors, including me copy and paste the code anyway. [citation needed] In the original code, an editor does not have to guess what the parameters are. For example, "nopct" is not as clear as the original layout. I think it is important for editors to easily find the code they want to edit, especially if they are unfamiliar with it. – Zntrip 00:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree; I think it is less effort this way then cut, paste and edit the boxes and check. I also think mindless cut/paste makes errors more likely. Further, mine is only two lines to cut and paste as opposed to about 20. :)
I've also marked your comment with {{fact}} because I doubt you've taken a survey to find out :) ; and if you did, that would be original research! :) you're presuming the way you do things is the way everyone does. You may be right... or maybe not.
If someone has a template on a page, what I do is go to the bottom of the page where it lists all templates being used, I right-click and open the definition of that template in another tab (if your browser doesn't support tabbed browsing, another page). Usually [citation needed], if the person wants others to use the template, (or if they themselves want to remember how to use it a few weeks or months later) there's a help file <noinclude>d into the page so that someone looking at it can see how to use it. All three of these attach the help file so those looking at the template would know how to use them.
Also, in the examples I used on the pending pages, I put zeroed examples; which is more likely to be the vote percentage in an example for California and which is more likely to be the vote count? no=0,000,000 or nopct=00.00? (The boxes - which the editor had to have seen before opening the page to edit it, and if they have view on first edit enabled, can still see it from the first time - have a field marked '%' so something must represent percent, and something must represent vote count, and it was my opinion it is clear.)
However, I have taken your comments into consideration. I have changed nopct= to no%= (as well as the other percent display items) in the template, so look back at the example I give above, I've changed it to use the new format. And to keep from breaking the current usage until I can go in and edit them, it will still permit nopct etc. When I wrote them, first I didn't think of it, and second I wasn't sure if % was valid for a character in a parameter name. It is, so I can use it instead.
With the changes I've now added I think I have made it even easier to use, and again I must respectfully disagree. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 01:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Template:Airliner accident
How did the image_size screw up any pages? Want me to make it an #if parser? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 06:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed. Everything looks normal, and you can change the size if you prefer. :) Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 00:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Más ITN
--SpencerT♦C 03:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Columns in tl:Obama Cabinet
Why did you remove the columns in {{Obama cabinet}}? Please discuss on the talk page: Template talk:Obama cabinet#Columns. Thanks. —Markles 00:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)