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Just a little message to Yunshui and Kingpin13, seeing if you wanted to deal with [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback#User:Kevin12xd]] personally due to your previous involvment with the user. Kind regards '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">T<small>alk</small> T<small>o</small> M<small>e</small>!</span>]]</sup></span> 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
Just a little message to Yunshui and Kingpin13, seeing if you wanted to deal with [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback#User:Kevin12xd]] personally due to your previous involvment with the user. Kind regards '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">T<small>alk</small> T<small>o</small> M<small>e</small>!</span>]]</sup></span> 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:I'm recusing myself - he's my adoptee, and I made the wrong call last time as a result. KP13's welcome to take it. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">雲</span>]]‍[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<span style="font-size:110%">水</span>]] 04:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Please see here: User_talk:Shrikanthv#Notice.21_.28For_undiscussed_approaches.29 --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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Night mare at FAC
Hello Mr Yunshui, I wish you happy new year and christmas .
you remember we were working the article on vivekananda, here is the FAC nomination it is turninng out to be nightmare , what would you suggest ? Shrikanthv (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Shrikanthv. I see that nomination's been withdrawn and closed, so there's not much salvaging to be done - my advice would be to take a back seat on this and let Tito Dutta do the driving. Try to work with him (I see you're already doing so) and follow his advice on the article and FA process. I owe you an apology, too; I shouldn't have encouraged you to start the nomination process without checking first that you understood what was involved in FA, and for that I'm very sorry. Yunshui 雲水 08:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
"The...Question..." redux
Hi Yunshui, regarding this section above, you should know that Kevin12xd had his request for rollback declined at WP:RFPERM/R about a day before you granted him rollback. He has made a few mistakes in identifying vandalism since then, such as 1, 2, 3 and rather worryingly this. None of which appear to be vandalism as defined by WP:VAND. In addition, his attitude towards this newcomer who left him a message about their apparently good faith edit being reverted is far from what I would expect: see edit summary. Given the above, I think that it would be sensible to remove rollback for now, but I thought I should check that you're okay with me doing that before I do so. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, only just checked your user page and saw the message about being away. I'll remove the rollback. Hope you have a good holiday - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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Adopt
Hi Yunshui. Let me know when you're back from holidays. I would like to talk to you about adopting me as a user. I've been extremely impressed with your demeanour and professionalism which is why I'm coming to you. I've been on Wikipedia for awhile, but I'm both interested in RfA down the road (not now) and also worried that I've possibly become complacent or picked up bad habits over the years. I've recently shifted into policy/guideline improvement and AfD which is the only reason why I mention the possibility of RfA later on. I'd like to get back more into article writing and have decided to take it upon myself to work on some articles through to FA. Anyway, let me know if you're interested. Mkdwtalk 08:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Mkdw, and thanks for the vote of confidence (should that be a !vote of confidence?...). Giving your edit history a cursory once-over, I don't think you need to worry too much about bad habits - from what I see, you're a competent, policy-aware editor with a nice, broad spectrum of contributions. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure what you could learn from me that you don't already know; I suspect I'd be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs if I adopted you. That said, I'm more than happy for you to treat me as a first port of call for any questions or problems you have, particularly with regard to AFD and CSD (I seem to have ended up spending the majority of my time working in these areas), and I'd be happy to advise on, support or even create an RFA for you in the future. Yunshui 雲水 09:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Yunshui, yes I'd definitely like to have a place to go regarding some of my questions. I think to elaborate, I'm somewhat familiar with policies and editing, but less familiar with 'administrative-type' tasks. I've become more involved in the AfD process but there's still much to be learned. Furthermore, I haven't contributed to an FA article in many years and as such I'd like to get back into that swing. I feel also that having someone who they themselves have been through the RfA process and subsequently learned a lot in said process would be able to share some of those insights. I think ultimately any good editor who is considering RfA down the road should prepare and that includes seeking advice from others. Mkdwtalk 11:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Truth be told, my RFA was a pretty easy ride; I learned more during the six-month run up to it (with Worm That Turned helpfully pointing me in the right directions) than during the process itself. Your own RFA standards show that you've got a good grasp of the usual requirements; the only thing I'd add is that many RFA !voters like to see either a considerable amount of anti-vandal work or a large number of created articles - or both. Pushing one or two of your own creations to GA or even FA status will net you quite a bit of RFA kudos.
- Oh, and I'd recommend getting yourself a CSD log (tick the appropriate box in your Twinkle prefs) to track your speedies - a nice red CSD log is very appealing at RFA! Yunshui 雲水 11:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- I seem have enabled the CSD log on my twinkle settings, but I cannot find the subpage where it logs it. I remember your RfA. It was quite the smooth sailing, but I think there were particularly good reasons for it. Mkdwtalk 23:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- It'll be at User:Mkdw/CSD log, but the page won't be created until you actually perform a CSD tagging with Twinkle. Yunshui 雲水 12:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- I seem have enabled the CSD log on my twinkle settings, but I cannot find the subpage where it logs it. I remember your RfA. It was quite the smooth sailing, but I think there were particularly good reasons for it. Mkdwtalk 23:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Yunshui, yes I'd definitely like to have a place to go regarding some of my questions. I think to elaborate, I'm somewhat familiar with policies and editing, but less familiar with 'administrative-type' tasks. I've become more involved in the AfD process but there's still much to be learned. Furthermore, I haven't contributed to an FA article in many years and as such I'd like to get back into that swing. I feel also that having someone who they themselves have been through the RfA process and subsequently learned a lot in said process would be able to share some of those insights. I think ultimately any good editor who is considering RfA down the road should prepare and that includes seeking advice from others. Mkdwtalk 11:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Only because he is your student...
I have not reported against him still.. only because he is your student.
Not only that FA incidence, there are many more issues (starting with that AFC issue)
He is continuously wrongly tagging articles for deletion: See here also here, and here he is nominating articles per BLP unsourced, but sources were already added. Here he nominated an article for deletion for some unknown reason, anyway the article was not deleted. He has taken 2 of my articles to AFD, (and the other AFDs too he has started) there he is just copy pasting the same rationale "Does not meet Wikipedia notability [END]." I don't think he has followed WP:BEFORE.
I can leave these AFDs, but, see here he has again BLLPPRODed an article, but see at least 5 sources were added there at that moment! Wrong formatting, I agree, but, sources were added. What he is trying to do? The worst part is he does not talk. You tell him about some blunder and he goes on and makes another. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Facepalm I knew Shrikanthv had some issues with deletion policies (it's what drew him to my attention and eventual adoption in the first place), but I hadn't realised it was getting this bad. Time for some stern words on his talkpage, I think. I'm sure we can both agree that he's acting in good faith, but the issues you've raised above are enough for me to seriously question whether WP:COMPETENCE should be invoked.
- Whilst I do appreciate the implicit compliment in you holding off on a DR or other report due to my mentorship role, please remember that I'm no more an authority here than you are - if the disruption doesn't stop after I've spoken with him, you have every right to file an appropriate report. I'll start monitoring his edits more closely, and hopefully we can bring him up to speed as an editor quickly. Yunshui 雲水 09:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Mr yunshui as asked , I will refrain from deletion tags for the next three months , and would definitly inform if i am taking any steps here, it seems i have angered some contributors , however this was not my remote of intentions. so i will stick with new articles and editing existing articles for now. Shrikanthv (talk) 10:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Deletion is not the only issue! Anyway, why are you spending so much time in deletion nominations? You don't have idea of Wikipedia Mirror, you complained without concentrating and wikiformatting issues! Seeing the current status of your GA nomination of Sri Aurobindo, I don't think it is GA ready (and might be quickgailed too, so many templates)! Did you talk to any primary contributor before nominating the article? Why are you dealing with these FA, GA etc when you are still trying to learn the basic things! --Tito Dutta (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Deletion's not the only issue, but it's by far the most pressing one; let's deal with that first. Tito, I recognise that Shrikanthv's actions haven't exactly made your life easier, but criticising evrything he does (is a missing section header on a newly created page really such a dreadful error?) isn't going to help him improve. Allowing the GA/FA nomination's to run (I've advised him higher up on this page to defer to you with regards to the Vivekanada FA) will give him the chance to see these processes in action, and hopefully provide pointers for the future.
- Shrikanthv, I hope you can understand that Tito is trying to help you improve; please look at the diffs he's provided and see if you can understand what the problems were. You can then avoid making these mistakes in the future. If you honestly can't see why he's cross with you over any particular diff, let me know and I'll explain. Yunshui 雲水 10:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Deletion is not the only issue! Anyway, why are you spending so much time in deletion nominations? You don't have idea of Wikipedia Mirror, you complained without concentrating and wikiformatting issues! Seeing the current status of your GA nomination of Sri Aurobindo, I don't think it is GA ready (and might be quickgailed too, so many templates)! Did you talk to any primary contributor before nominating the article? Why are you dealing with these FA, GA etc when you are still trying to learn the basic things! --Tito Dutta (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment on Wcnesmith's talk
Hey,
Thanks for your commenting there. I was trying to be polite, and just seeing if he could actualy stop being full of himself and be a valuable contributor here. I can so very well see why you admins almost always seem to be grouchy (Well, most of them anyways). Anybody would be, once they deal with people regularly.
Anyways, thanks.
And Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:13, 31 December 2012 (UTC) [Talkback Please]
- Yeah, we're a grumpy bunch of misanthropes, us admins... Your attempts to bring him into the fold were admirable, and I commend you wholeheartedly for trying, but with every statement he made it became more and more obvious that he wasn't ever going to be a productive contributor. After a bit of Google-fu to check him out, I became even more convinced - he seems to be a relentless self-publicist, for whom Wikipedia is only the latest venue in which to present his ideas. Some of them may have merit, but it's all entirely original. In the end, I felt that my blunt instrument of a reply was the kindest way to explain that he wasn't going to be able to do what he wanted to do here - hopefully it'll save you some time as well. Yunshui 雲水 13:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- No offence meant, haan!!! Anyways I found it weird that most of the people who I think would have used a lesson or two in friendliness towards new users were admins or experienced users. Not that weird anymore though.
- I also began to realise the same. Had you not commented, I think I would have directly told it in a reply or two too.
- Well, we just have perspectives on that. I would have given myself the slightest chance of turning him around. Ayways, you did save me a lot of time. Thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
That warning.
Was kind of mean, lol. Thanks for the reply anyway.
Have a nice day. x 2.28.187.118 (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Your RfA Nomination
Hi Yunshui,
Sorry to pop in while your enjoying the holidays, but I just wanted to inform you that I took a few minutes to read over your RfA nomination by WTT, and I coudn't bear not:
a) Staring at the screen
b) Opening online dictionaries
c) Realize that you're one hell of an admin!
So thank you Yunshui, to sum it all up. I hope your family will have a great remainder of the holidays!
P.S. In case you didn`t know, I will be on vacation tommorow all the way to January 17th...
--Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 14:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm back now (although I suspect I'll be too busy nursing a hangover tomorrow to do much editing...), but enjoy the rest of your own vacation. And I'm glad you enjoyed the RFA; I recall that I did so myself at the time! Yunshui 雲水 14:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
semi-protection
Hello sir, there is lot of vandalism going on Priyanka Chopra page, the Ips always use abusive words for summary like sex and blah, blah, blah...... I even abused the user, but it was necessary . Sorry for my behavior but I think he/she should learn. Pls protect the page for long term. Like 3-4 months. These ops always get active after one or two weeks. Pls protect the page and block those IPs. Thank you.—PKS:1142 · (TALK) 15:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like it's already been done. Yunshui 雲水 07:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Helping new users.
Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering what sort of experience you need to help people at the Teahouse (I'm also presuming you need to be a host as well). Thanks in advance and I hope you have a happy new year. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 03:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Last time I checked there were no "official" requirements beyond a competence with Wikipedia's policies and a reasonable amout of editing experience - looks like you have both, so no worries on that front. If a new host is completely unsuitable, we normally remove them from the list and drop them a polite note about it, but that doesn't often happen, and I certainly can't see it happening to you. If you need any help over there, drop me a line. Yunshui 雲水 08:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Yunshui. The first person I tried to help ended up filing an ANI complaint against me, so it can only get better from there. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 12:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that. Not the best welcome you could have had to the Teahouse process, but I think - I certainly hope! - you'll find that to be an abberent exeption to the usual experience... Yunshui 雲水 12:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Eh, it's an experience at the end of the day, and one that certainly won't stop me trying to help others here. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 12:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that. Not the best welcome you could have had to the Teahouse process, but I think - I certainly hope! - you'll find that to be an abberent exeption to the usual experience... Yunshui 雲水 12:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Yunshui. The first person I tried to help ended up filing an ANI complaint against me, so it can only get better from there. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 12:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Pratyya Ghosh
cutting politics out
Hello Mr Yunshui, Please have a look at Sri Aurobindo article now, there is minor last para corrections needed. do give me review (already being reviewed by a reviewer). let me know what do you think.
I really did not want to be involved in the political talks above and wanted to concentrate on things to be done, hope you forgive me for the trouble caused. I had irked the "contributor" by nominating "his" article for an FA , and then he came out with blazing wiki rule book gun. hope the firing stops.
and again wishing you A happy prosperous new year. Shrikanthv (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- It looks as though there are still quite a few unsourced statements in the article which definitely need verifying; the Poetry, Followers of... and Influences sections are particularly problematic. Sources should certainly exist for the last two, although I'd recommend that the Poetry section be completely rewritten from scratch; it's really not something I'd expect to see in a GA in its current state. The reference formatting throughout also needs looking at; they aren't cited consistently and a few are rather sparse.
- It's easy to fall foul of Wikipedia's many rules; even experienced editors sometimes come across an obscure guideline or consensus that they weren't aware of. The trick is to make sure you've read up thoroughly on whatever it is you want to do; if you're planning to nominate a GA, for example, make sure you've read all the subpages of Wikipedia:Good articles, including a few GA reviews, before setting forth. It's tedious in the short term, but in the long run you'll ruffle fewer feathers and have an easier time of it.
- I'm planning to set up a new adoption page for you to help you with the deletion problems you've been having; hopefully I'll have something concrete by the end of next week. In the meantime, have a good old read of WP:DEL and see if you can find some time to hang out at AFD; it's a useful place to learn the more complex aspects of article deletion. Yunshui 雲水 08:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
I wish you
a happy and successful Wiki New Year, Yunshui :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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Loveperth unblock
Not a problem. Thanks for letting me know. Daniel Case (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
A cupcake for you!
Thanks for cleaning up the mess I made when I tried to fix Wikipedia:Erik Joi Arciaga! Odd for a user to decide their userpage belongs in the Project namespace... I've never seen that before. Happy New Year! Noiratsi (talk) 14:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC) |
- That was your fault, was it? Grr... nah, I'm just kidding. What a mess, though! Took me about ten minutes to fully sort it out. Yunshui 雲水 14:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- I thought it was going to be easy :(. Hit 'move', change namespace, check 'move associated talkpage'... Then I realised the page name wasn't the same as the username and all I'd done was make the mess worse. Only time so far I've ever wished I had admin rights, so I could clean up and pretend it never happened ^^. Although god knows how much mess I'd make if that were the case. :D --Noiratsi (talk) 14:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Trust me, you don't want admin rights - it's like cleaning up after a million truculent three-year olds (as the owner/progenitor of a truculent three-year old I speak from experience...), only with fewer rewards. Although imaginary cupcakes do go some way towards redressing the balance. Yunshui 雲水 14:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Also, there are about twenty new and exciting ways to screw things up when you get the bit. I live in perpetual fear that I'll accidentally delete ALL the pages. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- You've only found twenty? You need to try harder if you want to make it into the hall of fame, Writ. Yunshui 雲水 15:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- For more examples of my superhuman mess-making capabilities, see this revision history. Maybe I should just stop editing for the day... --Noiratsi (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Teahouse assistance
There is a question on picture caption formatting here ("Caption formatting") which I could use your assistance with when you have the time. Thanks in advance. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 23:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Looks as though Fuhghettaboutit's already answered it at the Helpdesk, but for what it's worth, it is, as ProfReader surmised, a case of entering a
|line=
parameter into the template - the Wikipedia{{Gallery}}
template supports this parameter. Thus, adding|line=2
into the template will constrain all the captions to two lines; longer captions will scroll. Hope that helps! Yunshui 雲水 08:08, 4 January 2013 (UTC)- Thanks for that. You learn something new every day. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 12:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Speedied article
Hi again Yunshui. About Stan Hawkins - userspace draft is here. I think significance was only very vaguely asserted; I'm fine with the WP:A7. Info about the editor is still in my browser history, so I'll drop a note on their talk-page about WP:DRV and so on. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm very happy if you want to have a go at salvaging it (I see you've already started, the Kildahl reference wasn't in the version I deleted). If you reckon he passes GNG or the professor test, go for it. Yunshui 雲水 10:15, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Explained all the issues in what I hope was in non-technical terms to the editor who started the article here. I'm happy to wait for their response before doing anything else. (Heads up: I have referred them to you.)--Shirt58 (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- I've left them a message as well (I suggested they might like to help by working on your draft; hope that's okay with you). If it gets recreated there may be a bit of an issue with attribution of the original text, but I'm sure I can figure out how to juggle the page moves around so that it works out correctly. Yunshui 雲水 11:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Explained all the issues in what I hope was in non-technical terms to the editor who started the article here. I'm happy to wait for their response before doing anything else. (Heads up: I have referred them to you.)--Shirt58 (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Sockpuppet
In case you're interested: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Adventures9 - the puppeteer that you blocked has just created another SP. Altered Walter (talk) 10:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- New page deleted and salted, new account sockblocked. Well spotted! Yunshui 雲水 10:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
EC
Happy new year! I hope that you won't mind this — Yash [talk] 13:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- No worries, thanks for doing that. Nice to hear from you again - new username for 2013? Yunshui 雲水 13:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Will stick to Yash! till I die I guess. I wasn't really happy with the idea of using an username similar to an already existing one. — Yash [talk] 13:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
ANI thread on me
Would you mind considering undoing your closure? I specifically indicated to the editors on Talk:Sri Lanka that they needed to bring the matter to ANI rather than keep talking about it on the article talk page. I feel that leaving it open longer will make it easier for me to continue to act on the article itself. For example, an IP, possibly the same one that opened the ANI, has just re-added the same content; i.e., restarted the edit war. I'd feel more comfortable if the ANI kept going along with a clear consensus in support of my actions (which, of course, I expect there will be) before I take further administrative actions there. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I just wanted to avoid seeing you needlessly dragged over the coals again. I've undone my closure. Yunshui 雲水 13:20, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Talkback 04 Jan 2013
User_talk:Shrikanthv#Some_good_words.21. There is a page "Comments to avoid in AFD discussion" which I could not find, if you can find it, please include that, might be helpful. --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Do you mean Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions? Yunshui 雲水 13:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's the one. Very well written! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's a very handy guide - if more people read it before commenting at AFD, closing discussions there would be much easier! Yunshui 雲水 13:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I have included it in the good words section! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's a very handy guide - if more people read it before commenting at AFD, closing discussions there would be much easier! Yunshui 雲水 13:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's the one. Very well written! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Inquiry
What's your take on Hampton Roads Messenger? It was nominated for G11 when it looked like this and because the account seemed here only to promote the site. G11 was rejected because most of the advertising content was removed but still seemed to not meet G7. I did a precursory WP:SET and didn't come back with anything in the news section or a general search. Mkdwtalk 08:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I did some searching too and came up with nothing - with a readership of 121,000 (that's only about 7% of the population of Hampton Roads) it's not even the biggest regional newspaper (that would be The Pilot, by the looks of things), or even among the biggest; nothing I can find indicates that it's notable. I'd be tempted to slap it with a G7, but there's no rush; the PROD that's on there will do the job in a few days. Yunshui 雲水 18:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable. I'm having some trouble with Talk:Hollywood North and a corresponding edit dispute with an uncivil editor. Any advice? Cheers, Mkdwtalk 23:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- You know, I reckon that could be a candidate for WP:LAME... I'm not going to take any action in case it appears that I've been canvassed (and there are a number of level-headed folk commenting over there already), but for what it's worth...
- I think Formerip's merger suggestion for most of the content is pretty sensible; very little of the text currently in the article actually relates to the use of the term "Hollywood North". 70.54.132.234 has yet to technically breach 3RR, but their actions definitely constitute edit-warring; a block would not be unheard of in such circumstances. Finally, I'd suggest you both cool down; whilst civility has been in short supply on that talk page, accusations of trolling don't exactly pour oil on troubled waters. At the end of the day, it's an argument about how to order a two-item list on a page that gets (on average) fewer than a hundred hits per day; it's hardly worth getting in a fistfight over.
- As far as solid advice goes, were I in your shoes, I'd be thinking about filing an RFC on the talkpage. However, if the IP editor continues their reverting then they will almost certainly be handed a block by the next passing admin, and since they show no signs of slowing down or paying attention to the policy, that's likely to resolve the problem more quickly than any consensus will. Yunshui 雲水 09:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable. I'm having some trouble with Talk:Hollywood North and a corresponding edit dispute with an uncivil editor. Any advice? Cheers, Mkdwtalk 23:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to .......
....but only because I can't find an emoticon that shows pulling my hair out or even stomping my feet! I think I need your help/advice, please? I tried to sort out what I thought might become a problem at Kangal dog. Long story but basically a couple of editors Cobra-BlackMamba and Bebekve looked as if they might be starting to clash, so I tried to intervene by reverting to the sourced height/weight, put a note on both editors talk pages and tried to get discussion going between them on the talk page. However, although I seem to have got Cobra-BlackMamba commenting on the talk page, he is still insisting on changing the information back to what appears to be his own unsourced version - and still won't put in edit summaries. I realise English doesn't appear to be their first language but I think they have a pretty good grasp of things. I don't think it's really at a DRV stage but don't know what to try next, so any suggestions/help? It's not even a breed I have any interest in and did point out to them I don't have much knowledge about it........
That's problem one.
Next problem....Tamaskan dog - yes, the one I recently nominated for it's third AfD. It was kept and the edits have already started! There is Sick of Spin going on to the talk page, making comments and then going back and changing different words in them - not drastic, just a bit silly really. However, last night, the SPA with a huge COI as she is on the committee of one of the two opposing TS registries, sneakily changing the lead back to her preferred wording which gives no mention of the opposing registry. I say 'sneakily' as the edit summary is often not a true or complete reflection of her changes. It used to be 'entertaining' to watch the silly games but it's now just frustrating!
I think I can see why people just walk away from Wikipedia! SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:08, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- We do lose a lot of editors to this sort of thing, and it's always a great shame - I sincerely hope you won't be one of them. Your work on the Kangal Dog talkpage was exemplarly; exactly the sort of level-headed and civil approach to resoving disputes that we need here. That it doesn't seem to have solved the problem yet is beside the point...
- Regarding that particular issue, were I in your shoes I'd be at pains to emphasise that Cobra-BlackMamba's personal conversations with Mr Turhan do not meet Wikipedia's policy on reliable source. Unless he can provide an appropriate published source that clearly supports his changes, the published statistics from the UKC and KIF are the ones that should be included. If he persists in edit-warring without demonstrating such sources (and without getting consensus on the talkpage) he will be blocked, simple as that. It's actually pretty black-and-white - we use the published sources, and if you disagree with them, you need to provide better sources, period.
- As far as User:Sylvaen goes, that's as clear a case of a conflict of interest as I've ever seen.
I'm tempted to issue a block purely for this disingenuous edit summary (I assume that's the one you were referring to above).Stricken; I made a mistake reading the diff. I will leave a note on Sylvaen's talkpage regarding their COI, and I'll be reverting that particular edit myself. - You yourself have no obligation to keep plugging away at these pages, and if you'd prefer to let the drama play out without getting bogged down in it, you can. Don't let the edit warriors get you down - just move on to another article and let them backbite themselves into oblivion. Alternatively, carry on as you have been - you're proving to be a voice of reason on canine-related pages, and your input is greatly appreciated. If at any point you feel your temper rising, just repeat the mantra, "It's only an online encyclopedia..." until the red mist goes away. Yunshui 雲水 10:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, Yunshui, I just spent some time stomping along the beach in the rain, tears are all mopped up....
- I've reverted the unsourced info from the Kangal dog article, left a message on the talk page and tried to kindly explain to Cobra-BlackMamba why. I'm hoping he won't have to go and sit on the 'Wikipedia Naughty Step' as it seems to get a bit crowded on there!
- As always, you are a voice of reason in all the madness - I'll let you dry your shoulder off now, at least until the next time! SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Unblock of Croonerman
Hello, Yunshui. I have just done something that, under most circumstances, I would not have done, namely unblocking a user that you had placed on hold, without either consulting you or waiting for the blocking admin to respond to your message. I was about to unblock when your "on hold" edit-conflicted me. In discussion at User talk:Seraphimblade#Brian Evans, Bbb23, the blocking admin, wrote "if an uninvolved admin thinks he should be unblocked, as long as they're aware of all this, I would have no objection." I thought that was enough to answer your request for comment from Bbb23 before unblocking, since you and I are both uninvolved admins who think he should be unblocked. In addition, I feel that the general tone at the discussion I linked to amounts to something close to a consensus that a second chance is worth considering. Taking all that into account, I decided to go ahead and unblock. My guess, based on my experience of you in the past, is that you will be happy with that, but please do tell me if I am mistaken. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, that's totally fine with me. Thanks for checking, though. Yunshui 雲水 12:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- I created a stub on Brian Evans. it can be found here Brian Evans (Singer) I believe that as a stub form it meets notability guidelines but just barely. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Multiple sources from a mainstream news publication covering more than one event in the subject's life = notable, in my book. Nicely done. Obviously it would be nice to see citations to other newspapers besides the Boston Globe, but if I saw this at AFD, I'd vote Keep without hesitation. Yunshui 雲水 07:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- I created a stub on Brian Evans. it can be found here Brian Evans (Singer) I believe that as a stub form it meets notability guidelines but just barely. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
TY much appreciated. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
Hi Yunshui, Thanks for your quick response and the links to quickly find the info I need. I will probably have a lot more questions but I'm sure I'll have plenty of more specific questions once I've digested this info. 777desha777 (talk) 13:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you're always welcome to ask here if you need answers. Glad I could help. Yunshui 雲水 13:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I think you should undelete this one - it had already survived a speedy nomination and clearly indicated the importance or significance of the subject, maybe not enough to survive an afd but enough to beat a speedy.--ukexpat (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Allissa_Richardson
I have no idea how this happened: perhaps it's a Mediawiki bug. But when I moved Allissa_richardson to Allissa Richardson, an underscore somehow appeared between the two names. Can you please fix? Thanks, Altered Walter (talk) 10:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- That's decidedly weird. I'll take a look and see if I can figure out what's going on. Yunshui 雲水 10:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed - in a previous attempt to fix the capitalisation of her surname, someone had added the template
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Allissa_Richardson}}
to the page, which forced an underscore into the title. I've removed the template, problem solved. Yunshui 雲水 10:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)- Woohoo! Thanks. Altered Walter (talk) 10:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed - in a previous attempt to fix the capitalisation of her surname, someone had added the template
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Not neutral?.
- Hi Yunshui, how is life?, actually I was also enough tired with that guy, realy that was a kind of bambartment on the talk pages, but it does not mean we discourage any one?. Other thing the recreated article of Hameedy was different style of writing though old version was also edited by me, now it was cited very reliable source, independent and significant coverage of the subject. I realy will not talk or discuss here about neutrality of some editors. I do not care or mind deletions if wikipedia likes that. But rules should be applied everywhere in neutral way so that reliability of wikipedia remains. Please take a look at this source and its editorial board of editors. Thanks for your kind complement that encourages me more.Justice007 (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- I personally think that the new article was sufficiently different to the deleted version to dodge a G4 bullet, but I'm not going to second-guess a fellow admin - and as I said on your talkpage, the deletion has benefits beyond simply following policy. If I were you, however, I'd follow postdf's suggestion and take it to WP:REFUND. I won't restore it myself, simply because I'm already quite involved with the page. Yunshui 雲水 07:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
About Numafung deletion
Hi Yunshui, you have proposed this article to be deleted. Can you check again that if this article is okay to remain. This article is about a cultural film of an indigenous community of Nepal. Please review this again thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishlohorung (talk • contribs) 02:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well, xnepali.net is a blog, and therefore doesn't count towards notability, and IMDb is not considered a reliable source. However, the Kathmandu Post and helpnepal.net look to me to meet the sourcing guidelines, so I'm happy for the proposed deletion tag to be removed; in fact, I'll do it myself now. Yunshui 雲水 07:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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Image deletion
Hello Yunshui, I hope you don't mind my contacting you here. I am new to Wiki, and have created a page on James Essinger, having met him and found, although he has been in the news a few years, he had no page. I then uploaded a photo I took when I met him in November, but he has sent me a phot he would rather have on their, and doesn't like the one I took. I respect his wish, and would like to delete the photo, but can't see how to do it, so someone has recommended I ask you what the procedure is. I uploaded it to wikipedia rather than Commons and it's called File:James Essinger.jpg Also, while I'm here, I'm having trouble uploading the photo James Essinger sent me, and gave me permission to use under the commons licence. I sent him a 'standard form' I found on here to send to the licence email address (given on top of the form) and he sent it on 6th January (last Sunday), but hasn't heard anything back. Am I right in understanding that I have to await some sort of confirmation they've received it before I can try again to upload the photo? I don't know if I'm just being impatient, or if there's a problem with it. Thanks very much --Annelisa02 (talk) 11:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Annelisa. Since File:James Essinger.jpg is on Wikipedia rather than Commons I've got admin buttons for it, so I've deleted it for you under speedy deletion criterion G7 (creator requests deletion). As to uploading the new version, it looks as though you've done everything right (I take it you emailed Essinger's release to permissions-en@wikimedia.org). There may be a problem in that Essinger himself might not actually own the copyright - copyright usually rests with the photographer, not the subject - so OTRS may be doing some checking before accepting the claim of CC-BY-SA. You can still upload the picture (to Commons, rather than Wikipedia - their upload form is here); be sure once it's uploaded that you place the code
{{OTRS pending}}
on the page, so that the admins at Commons are aware that it's currently being checked. Yunshui 雲水 11:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- First, many thanks for deleting the photo James Essinger didn't like...I don't like to offend :-) . Also, thanks for the advice about the photo he sent me. He cc'd me the email he sent to wiki, and it all looked fine, so I shall do as you say, and upload it to commons with the 'pending' code. Should I also put in a date the licence confirmation email was sent to wiki? or is that unnecessary? Thanks again --Annelisa02 (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- You can indeed go right ahead with the upload - there's no need to add the date; once OTRS have confirmed the licensing status of the image they will add a ticket number to the file page which contains a link to all the details. I'm afraid that in the event that Mr Essinger doesn't own the copyright (as I mentioned above, this is a possibility), the OTRS volunteer dealing with the ticket will remove the image, but hopefully that won't be necessary. Yunshui 雲水 12:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- First, many thanks for deleting the photo James Essinger didn't like...I don't like to offend :-) . Also, thanks for the advice about the photo he sent me. He cc'd me the email he sent to wiki, and it all looked fine, so I shall do as you say, and upload it to commons with the 'pending' code. Should I also put in a date the licence confirmation email was sent to wiki? or is that unnecessary? Thanks again --Annelisa02 (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. Apparently, according to Mr Essinger, a 9 year old (friend) visiting him took the picture and he has been using it for twitter, LinkedIn etc. So, I think it should be alright.
- I do have another question, which I think you may be able to help me with. When I first published the wiki page James Essinger, there weren't so many of the magazine and news articles on there, and somebody questioned his notability. I feel, now, there are plenty of sources that show his notability. How would I go about removing the 'permenent' message at the top of the page? Is it possible? (if you have a chance, and inclination, to look, I would really value your opinion...it's obvious you are an old-hand at this, and would be able to see at a glance what the situation is? If you can't, no problem) Thanks in advance --Annelisa02 (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- "At a glance" isn't exactly the case - it'll take me about fifteen to twenty minutes to check and evaluate all those sources - but since I currently only have time for a quick glance, I'd say there's probably enough there to warrant removing the tag. You can remove it yourself, if you feel the sources are sufficient - just delete the text
{{notability}}
(there may be a date there as well) from the top of the page. At worst, someone will disagree and put it back; it's not a particularly contentious act. Yunshui 雲水 18:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC) - Okay, now that I've got a bit more time, let's take a look at the sources. Inclusion on Wikipedia is governed by notability, which means that we're look for significant coverage of Essinger in multiple, reliable, independent sources (the Wikipedia-specific meaning of those terms is explained here). Discounting the sourced written by Essinger himself (which aren't independent, and so don't count towards notability), here's what I've found:
- The Wall Street Journal article is a review of his book - whilst that would count towards the notability of the book, it doesn't provide significant coverage of Essinger himself, and so doesn't help the notability case for his article.
- The Economist article won't load for me on this computer, but I suspect from the article's title that it doesn't provide much (if any) information about Essinger himself, only his book. Probably a
- OUP's listing is from his publisher, and therefore not independent.
- The Entertainment Weekly article is another book review, and so doesn't provide the requisite coverage.
- The New Scientist article is subscription only, but from the preview appears to be another book review - again, it's about the book, not the author.
- The Guardian interview is entirely Essinger's own words, and so isn't independent coverage.
- The Age article is again a passing mention of Essinger in a piece that is mainly about his report - it uses him as a source, but says nothing about him.
- IMDb is not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia.
- The Input/Output article is about Jaquard and Essinger's book, not Essinger.
- The Future of Things article is basically a blog (and therefore not a reliable source), and in any case only mentions Essinger's book (not Essinger himself) as further reading.
- The mention in The Cogwheel Brain is a dedication; it's not significant coverage and it's not really independent.
- Make Magazine offers only another book review.
- Bruce Thompson Events doesn't look as though it would meet our guidelines for reliable sources, and again, is a book review that doesn't say anything about Essinger.
- The review on Yahoo! is not a reliable source (Yahoo! Voices is user-generated content) and is another book review.
- The review at Powell's Books does contain a couple of sentences about Essinger, but these are drawn practically verbatim from his publisher's blurb, and are therefore not independent.
- The National Library Service for the Blind just lists one of Essinger's books for conversion to audio.
- The Times Literary Supplement is another review - nothing about Essinger.
- Barnes & Noble, as a retailer, are not independent. This page provides only a passing mention of one of Essinger's books, not even enough to count towards the book's notability.
- The ACCA is an amateur book review, and again, says nothing about Essinger himself.
- Academia.eu (that is one poorly-formatted page, ugh!) provides only passing mentions of two of Essinger's books.
- In short then, not only is there not enough here to justify removing the tag, there's not even enough to justify having an article in the first place. Notability is not inherited - whilst these source demonstrate that we could easily have a Wikipedia article on Jaquard's Web (and possibly one on Spellbound: The Improbable Story of English Spelling too), they don't even come close to supporting an article about Essinger himself.
- What you need to find are sources that discuss Mr Essinger, not his books; that do so in depth and that are not by him or his associates. That's the only way to ensure that this article remains. In its present form, it's a clear candidate for deletion - I hate to be harsh, but if improvements aren't made soon, I'll be obliged to take it to Articles for deletion myself. Sorry to rain on your parade, but hopefully this has given you some idea of how you can move forwards with that article. Yunshui 雲水 14:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- "At a glance" isn't exactly the case - it'll take me about fifteen to twenty minutes to check and evaluate all those sources - but since I currently only have time for a quick glance, I'd say there's probably enough there to warrant removing the tag. You can remove it yourself, if you feel the sources are sufficient - just delete the text
Ok, thanks, I think I understand what I have wrong now. I believed that the fact these sources were actually commenting on Mr Essinger's style was a comment on himself. Having you go through the references like that brings home to me where I'm going wrong, and I realise I must find sources more on him and not on his books. Thank you for your advice and help. I will save a copy if you are intending deletion, and perhaps I can sort it out in the future. Best wishes --Annelisa02 (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- If you'd like, I can userfy it for you (to save you clicking the link, that means I'd move it out of article space and into a subpage of your userspace - it would no longer be a "live" article). That way you can work on it without worrying about it being picked up by a passing deletionist and rushed off to AFD -once you've got it up to code, it can be moved back again. Up to you, just wanted to let you know the option's there.
- Oh, and if you really can't find anything (it may be that Mr Essinger just isn't notable by Wikipedia's very specific definition of the word, which is no reflection on his real life notability!) then I'd strongly recommend you create an article on Jaquard's Web; the sources above show that the book is very clearly notable. Yunshui 雲水 14:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- That is a very kind offer of yours, Yunshui, very appreciated! :-) I think I would like the page to be put somewhere safe for now, and the user page is as good a page as any (does this work the same?) Would you mind if I just contacted Mr Essinger to let him know this is going to happen, just as a politeness? He seemed so happy to have a page up after so long struggling to get known..maybe a day?. Also, I will take your advice, and start by trying to make a page for each of his most well known books first (it'll give me more practice, and, as you say, many of the references, when pointed out as you did, were actually about the books themselves (thuough, I must say, I think descriptions of how he's written these books might be considered a comment about him :-) though I do understand Wikipedia doesn't classify it as such). Thank you once again for your help!
- Oh yes, and I just saw the box you put on my userpage about adopting a user? What a fantastic idea! If you would be willing, I'd love to have you as my mentor...you have been so helpful and informative! I have to go out now, but I will check later how you said this was done. Thanks again. --Annelisa02 (talk) 16:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. I'll userfy the page for you now - and consider yourself adopted! The James Essinger page will be a useful way to help you get into article writing - we can work on it to bring it in line with Wikipedia's requirements and teach you about those requirements at the same time - but there are many other areas of Wikipedia to get involved with. I'll post an adoption welcome on your talkpage shortly with some information about how to get started. Yunshui 雲水 08:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hello again Yunshui. I see you have visited my userpage and moved the James Essinger article to my userspace. Thanks very much for that...it's greatly appreciated, as is all the helpful information you have left for me there! At present, I'm laid up ill in bed, so not up to doing very much, but I look forward to working on the page, with your guidance, once more when I'm better, and I'm very happy you are willing to be my mentor...It gives me confidence I can learn how to edit on Wikipedia properly...it's very exciting! :-D Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annelisa02 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry to hear you're ill; I wish you a swift recovery.
- Two little points about communication on talkpages (this isn't a telling-off, just an FYI!). First, don't forget to sign using four tildes (~~~~) - you usually do this, so this is just a reminder. Secondly, the convention for indenting works as in the following example:
Me, saying something profound and witty. :You, telling me how profound and witty I am ::Me, thanking you for your kind words. :Another editor, suggesting that I'm neither profound nor witty. ::Me, thanking the other user for their opinion and politely suggesting they go and boil their head. :::Other editor, inviting me to engage in fisticuffs. ::::You, attempting to restore peace. :::::Me, thanking you for your intervention. ::::::Other editor, agreeing that I am, in fact, profound and witty after all. :::::::Me, thanking the other editor for their aquiescence to an obvious truth. ::::Other editor, withdrawing their challenge to unarmed combat. ::::::::You, reiterating how profound and witty I am.
Me, using an {{outdent}} template to move the
conversation back to the right-hand margin. :You, asking about the outdent template.
- And so on. Basically, you always indent one colon further than the message you are replying to. It's not a massive issue, but it does make reading talkpages easier. Get well soon, Yunshui 雲水 10:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, I've just seen this, and realise I have been doing just about everything BUT follow this protocol lol. I think I understand. One moves in one indent from the bit of the conversation one is replying to, except if answering a previous comment? So though the other editor first responds, by (outrageously) suggesting you are neither profound nor witty, after my response, their response is indented the same as my first response, because we are both responding to your proclamation you are saying something profound and witty. I had been thinking that one just chucks in a random number of colons so the present comment would be seperated from the previous comment. I see it is slightly, but not excessively, more complicated than that! lol.
- Thanks for the wishes for a swift recovery. Having had Christmas/New Year and a major birthday wiped out by said illness, I hope for a quick recovery too...however, I can at least thank the nasty virus for laying me up long enough to learn something about the workings of Wiki :-)
- And I will try very hard to remember to sign! --Annelisa02 (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- That's pretty much the gist of it - the rule of thumb is simply to add one more colon that the guy you're replying to, which keeps everything in a given thread fairly easy to read. Some users also use "@Yunshui" or similar in complicated threads, to show who they're responding to, but unless you find yourself on a major dramaboard like ANI (tip: don't...) you won't need to specify the subject of your messages.
- Wishing you a quick recovery once more - and I hope that when you are better, you'll still be able to find time to edit! All the best, Yunshui 雲水 23:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- And so on. Basically, you always indent one colon further than the message you are replying to. It's not a massive issue, but it does make reading talkpages easier. Get well soon, Yunshui 雲水 10:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Request to restore the deleted page
Hello Yunshui, First of all - am all new to this creating new articles, so sorry if I did something wrongly. Merely trying to set it right. As we have started to get quite a few mentions in the blogosphere about the NoNoNo project, I would like to be able to continue working with the original article in order to upload a photo and links. Can that be arranged? Thank you!Soundslikeit (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- In theory, I'd be happy to restore the page and userfy it for you under these circumstances. However, since it has since come to light that the text is a direct copyright violation of the band's Facebook page, it cannot be used on Wikipedia. Even if you yourself own the copyright to this text and are willing to release it under an appropriate free licence, it is still heavily promotional in tone, and thus unsuitable for inclusion here. We also discourage users from creating articles about subjects they have a close connection with - the resulting conflict of interest rarely results in a usable page. If your are determined to write about your band on Wikipedia (and assuming that you can provide suitable sources - anything in the blogosphere is emphatically unsuitable), you will need to write new text, in a neutral tone, from scratch. Yunshui 雲水 14:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for taking your time to get back on this. I understand - this is merely a misunderstanding from all involved: the band wanted the description to be the same everywhere. I will take everything you wrote under consideration and rewrite accordingly. Although I cannot guarantee that you might not end up getting a thousand questions back again... again, thanks, sorry, and all the best. Soundslikeit (talk) 14:36, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Just to be absolutely clear: what the band wants is of absolutely no consequence here. Your statement indicates clearly that you are not the appropriate person to be writing this article. Whilst I'm very happy to answer questions, I would strongly suggest that you file a request at Requested articles rather than trying to create the page yourself - having an unbiased editor do the work will save both you and Wikipedia time and energy in the long run. Yunshui 雲水 14:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Admin help
Heya. Can you take a while for some input? And if agree, delete the page? Thanks! — Yash [talk] 15:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's not in any way a plausible redirect (the chances of anyone typing that exact phrase into the search engine are virtually non-existent), so I've deleted the redirect under WP:R3. Yunshui 雲水 08:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Started again
- Hi Yunshui, It started again this and this, it seems to me that kind of practice is not from the fans but well some kind of opposition figures?. My be they do not like to see the article on wikipedia?. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 10:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Public domain
Hi Yunshui, could you take a look at File:James Gwyn.jpg and let me know if there's a better way I should have done it? Mkdwtalk 00:00, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- Superficially it looks fine to me (although public domain works should really be on Commons). Assuming the dates are correct, PD is the correct listing for it. Note, though, that that only holds true for the U.S. - however, given the subject, U.S. origin seems to be a given. As far as moving it to Commons goes, if you want to have a go at it, here are the instructions. Never tried it myself. Yunshui 雲水 08:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Drastic deletion within hours
I hereby request you to survey the sudden unwarranted deletion of Beohari. Thankyou --Pmoias (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)It wasn't Yunshui, it was User: PhilKnight. I'm going to enquire there. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, i was here to draw any other admin's attention. --Pmoias (talk) 06:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- Looking at the log, I'm actually suspecting it was an error on PhilKnight's part; he's a good admin, and usually leaves a clear deletion rationale, and I don't see any reason why that page should have been deleted. I'd rather wait for him to respond first, but if he doesn't come back on WP in the next couple of days, I can undelete it pending investigation. If it doesn't come back in about 24 hours, drop me a note on my talk page to remind me if that's okay. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia Ambassadors update
Hi! You're getting this message because you are or have been a Wikipedia Ambassador. A new term is beginning for the United States and Canada Education Programs, and I wanted to give you an update on some important new information if you're interested in continuing your work this term as a Wikipedia Ambassador.
You may have heard a reference to a transition the education program is going through. This is the last term that the Wikimedia Foundation will directly run the U.S. and Canada programs; beginning in June, a proposed thematic organization is likely to take over organizing the program. You can read more about the proposal here.
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After that, you can sign on to support courses. The list of courses will be at Special:Courses. (By default, this lists "Current" courses, but you can change the Status filter to "Planned" to see courses for this term that haven't reached their listed start date yet.)
As this is the first term we have used the extension, we know there will be some bugs, and we know the feature set is not as rich as it could be. (A big wave of improvements is already in the pipeline. And if you know MediaWiki and could help with code review, we'd love to have your help!) Please reach out to me (Sage Ross) with any complaints, bug reports, and feature suggestions. The basic features of the extension are documented at Wikipedia:Course pages, and you can see a tutorial for setting up and using them here.
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- The education noticeboard has become the main on-wiki location for discussion of the Education Program. You can post there about broad education program issues as well as issues with individual courses.
- The Ambassadors Announce email list is a very low-traffic announcements list of important information all Ambassadors need to be aware of. We encourage all Ambassadors (and other interested Wikipedians) to subscribe to the list; follow the instructions on the link to add your email address.
- If you use IRC regularly, or need to try to reach someone immediately, the #wikipedia-en-ambassadors connect IRC channel is the place to find me and fellow Ambassadors.
- Ambassador training and resources
We now have an online training for Ambassadors, which is intended to be both an orientation about the Wikipedia Ambassador role for newcomers and the manual for how to do the role. (There are parallel trainings for students and for educators as well.)
Please go through the training if you feel like you need a refresher on how a typical class is supposed to go and where the Ambassadors fit in, or if you want to review and help improve it. If there's something you'd like to see added, or other suggestions you have for it, feel free to edit the training and/or leave feedback. A primer on setting up and using course pages is included in the educators' training.
The Resources page of the training is the main place for Ambassador-related resources. If there's something you think is important as a resource that's not on there, please add it.
Finally, whether or not you work with any classes this term, I encourage you to post entries to the Trophy Case whenever you see excellent work from students or if you have great examples from past semesters. And, as always, let students (and other editors!) know when they do things well; a little WikiLove goes a long way!
--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Nomination of Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Daniel(talk) 22:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
page deletion
hi, i am creating a page for an upcoming music artist "Yeyo Cintadio" and the page says it has been deleted...why is it being deleted and what do i have to do to create a page for the artist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmccleskey (talk • contribs) 00:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- The page has been deleted (twice now) because it contains no reliable sources (the artist's website is not a reliable source) and give no indication that Cintadio is in any way noteworthy (simply being a rapper is not a notable activity). See this guideline for the criteria normally used to assess a musical performer's suitability for inclusion. Yunshui 雲水 08:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
training feedback
Thanks for the sharp feedback! I left some comments in reply at the feedback page. Do feel free to edit those trainings, if the mood strikes you.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanations Sage; the content makes more sense when Campus Ambassadors are thrown into the mix! I'll avoid making any alterations to the pages myself, since I'm relatively new at the Ambassador role (though I'm hoping to be more active now that a new term has started). Yunshui 雲水 08:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Hey
You deleted hank harrisons page. I Cant see why... Whats the reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.57.69.201 (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- The reasons are laid out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hank Harrison. Yunshui 雲水 12:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Hey! (adoption stuff)
Hey Yunshui, 'tis me again! I've had some very severe, very overwhelming personal struggles lately, and haven't really had the motivation, nor been in the mood, to venture anything major on Wikipedia (like creating an article, etc.). I have, however, been lurking about the place, making minor and not-so-minor copyedits mostly, and made some more significant improvements to the articles on Magma (my favourite band... of "all time"!) and its sub-articles, as well as FAX +49-69/450464. I've also been exploring and investigating policies and their implementation, with a view to attaining a comprehensive understanding of them. As a means to that end, I've also been exploring and scrutinising old and contemporary arbitration cases, RFC's, AN/ANI discussions, historical pages and the village pump archives. It's been a fascinating voyage, if somewhat geeky. But then again, aren't we all somehwat geeky around here? :P
Anyway, the entire point of that long-winded prelude is that I'm back, so to say, and I'm actually logged in for once (a majority of my sporadic edits have been logged-out IP edits, each typically accompanied by a few words noting that "this is User:Psychonavigation not logged in"), and, after emerging from some intense personal battles with a renewed vigour for life and an optimistic outlook, I feel ready to contribute significantly to Wikipedia, a project that, despite not having been a big part of my life, is still dear to my heart. I identify with and support its goals and mission immensely, and am frankly quite proud of the human race as a whole for having accomplished such a feat, especially in a transparent, free and egalitarian manner. Wikivoyage was also an inspiration (I'd never heard of it until today, it wasn't even listed on the WMF projects page), and its premise intrigued me sufficiently that I have now merged my account over there.
So, the question is, are you still willing/keen to mentor me on a largely as-needed basis? I don't foresee myself giving you too much hassle, I like to keep a low profile and I think I've gleaned a broad perspective of both the letter and the spirit of all the major policies. I'll probably just be asking you to check over articles-to-be that I'll create in my userspace, and things pertaining to such. Nothing too major I'm sure. :)
So, what do you say?
Peace and love. - D. Psychonavigation (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Psychonavigation; welcome back! Sorry to hear that you've been through the mill; hopefully 2013 will bring you lots of positivity to balance the books. I would be more than happy to retain you as an adoptee (although if you check my recent history with User:Psychonaut, you'll see that I thought you were still around... got the two of you confused, rather embasrassingly...).
- Oh, and thanks for pointing me at the Magma article; I'd not heard of them before and they sound fascinating. I shall have to see if I can get hold of some of their work.
- (And as a minor bit of trivia, I think I'm right in saying that Wikivoyage only became an "official" Wikimedia project yesterday, so it should be visible on their projects page fairly shortly) Yunshui 雲水 08:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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Timmy Polo IP sock
I guess you will be watching, but just to make sure I am letting you know that I have replied to your message on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Tarkim Air
hi yunshui why did you delete the page I've prepared? I just want to add the company to wikipedia, but you keep on deleting it? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.kartal (talk • contribs) 13:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please see my note on your talkpage. You have an active and unaccepted AFC submission for this article, which explains why the page is not yet suitable for inclusion. Yunshui 雲水 13:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Dear Yunshui, I created a page for the company name but you deleted it. It didn't make any sense to me actually, because there was to advertisements in the next, nothing. Just a couple of information, that's all. Would you mind enlightening me about the reason why you keep cancelling the page? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Işıl — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.kartal (talk • contribs) 14:21, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- The page makes no case for the company being in any way important, notable or distinct from any other minor airline. It also contains no reliable sources attesting to the subject's notability. Without such sources, or at least a claim to importance, the article falls under speedy deletion criterion A7, and therefore has no place in Wikipedia. As I said on your talkpage, please use the Articles For Creation page to iron out these problems before trying to create the article. Yunshui 雲水 14:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Jeb2003
This user has continued socking[[2]] removing block templates and changing block length[[3]], can I suggest a lengthening of the block and short of that removing talk page access for the block duration? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I actually refused him an unblock appeal via UTRS yesterday for using that Heraldr account... I've left the block at the same length, but I've removed his talkpage access per your suggestion. Yunshui 雲水 22:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Challenge accepted but..........
Hi Yunshui,
Funnily enough I landed on that page very recently. I thought it was in a sorry state and as I'd never heard of it as a breed I did a quick spin around some sources to see what I could find. It rather looks as if it's simply what any stray dog is called in the Philippines. I'll certainly see if I can find out some more and then try to make any necessary changes.
Now, in return, I have some questions for you! Sometimes if I've reverted a good faith edit I put a note on the editors page especially if they are just starting to edit. I probably shouldn't say this but I don't always feel the standard 'Welcome' templates are great or appropriate - I like to try and personalise it a bit to explain why I reverted and also try to put some help page links. I feel some of the standard templates are a bit daunting. So.....I've semi devised my own - see this as an example of the type of thing I mean. How can I put a copy of this on my user and/or talk page in a sort of quick template so I can quickly copy it over instead of raking for ages to find a previous one? But maybe I shouldn't be changing the standard template?
Next question (one challenge from you means I get to ask at least ten questions!). I've been playing with a stub article in my sandbox here; I think I've got it about as far as I can take it now so could you have a quick skim through to see if there are any glaring problems. Once I've done a lot more work on this one I'll look to submit that as a new article. Yeah, I know they're both pretty boring but at least they're not dog articles! SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's not actually that hard to create your own message templates; here's what you do:
- Create a new page in your userspace for the template (something like User:Sagaciousphil/Welcome).
- On that page, create the message that you want to appear, and save it.
- When you want to use it on a user talkpage, place the name of the page between double curly brackets and prefix it with
subst:
- the code for the above example would be{{subst:User:Sagaciousphil/Welcome}}
- This command tells the software to substitute ("subst") the contents of the named page for the template that you just typed - essentially, it copy-pastes everything on your welcome message page onto the destination talkpage. Feel free to try it on my talkpage if you want to see whether it works.
- Your expansion of the James Ferguson article is exceptional - whilst I haven't gone through it with a fine-tooth comb (it's late here...) I'm very impressed after giving it a once-over. Once you copy it across to the live article, make sure you put yourself up for another Did you know? nomination; it meets all the requirements (and a hook like, "Did you know that James Ferguson was so ugly that his own mother warned him against being mistaken for a rapist?" should garner quite a few hits...). Truly, a fantastic piece of work; if we had more editors like you Wikipedia would have been completed by now.
- All the best, Yunshui 雲水 23:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
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Just a little message to Yunshui and Kingpin13, seeing if you wanted to deal with Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback#User:Kevin12xd personally due to your previous involvment with the user. Kind regards ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)