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:And Wikipedia has its own manual of style with targets consistency of usage in the article. Australian usage as mentioned said generally not used but did not rule out using it at all. I did check this Australian focused article for existing usage and the serial comma is the convention in that particular article. If this is an issue for you, fix the entirety of the article, don't just pick and choose a single instance to focus on. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 15:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC) |
:And Wikipedia has its own manual of style with targets consistency of usage in the article. Australian usage as mentioned said generally not used but did not rule out using it at all. I did check this Australian focused article for existing usage and the serial comma is the convention in that particular article. If this is an issue for you, fix the entirety of the article, don't just pick and choose a single instance to focus on. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 15:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:I noticed this discussion has appropriately moved to the article talk page. Will continue there. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 15:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC) |
:I noticed this discussion has appropriately moved to the article talk page. Will continue there. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 15:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC) |
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The standard Australian English spelling is now "program" according to both most common use and modern Australian dictionaries. This is not an issue of "British" or "American" forms of English. There are many instances in which standard Australian English now differs from British English and this is one of them. This article gives information about this. Yahboo (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hey Yahboo,
Thanks for your information. Apparently it is more appropriate to use the spelling "programme" as the blog post states that:
"Usage: Until recently, programme was widely considered to be the British spelling, and program the American. There are those who like to retain the former spelling, particularly in relation to a list of items at a concert, theatrical performance, etc., but many people have adopted the spelling program in all cases."
As there is a list of television programmes on the Wikipedia page for Kitty Flanagan and the blog post recognises personal preferences instead of rigid rules of the spelling for "programme", then the original spelling should remain on the Wikipedia page.
My view is that "programme" is the original English spelling used in Australia as "gaol" is the original spelling now Americanised to "jail". Read through Australian newspapers and magazines prior to the 1980s and you will notice virtually zero American spelling. Sadly, spellcheck is now often used to edit Australian works and that software is American and uses American spelling by default. This same software does not change the "z" to the letter "s" in words like "recognise" or "publicise" and omits the letter "u" in words like "colour" and "favour" and omits double consonants like in "travelling". As most people, even journalists, are too lazy or time poor to properly edit or correct their own work, so American spelling often gets published. I think there is a British English setting on spellcheck but most Australians don't use it. I feel that too much of Australia's cultural distinctions to differentiate Australia from other countries have been Americanised over the past few decades that Australians eat, wear, read, watch, buy and consume a huge amount of American culture. One saving grace is the English language where Australians can still speak and spell in the original English language and often more eloquently and accurately than Americans. I don't hate America or Americans as I love American films and television series and books. I just think the original spelling of English language words are often the better option. KittyLover (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- This has absolutely NOTHING to do with "American English". The provided article makes it quite clear that "program" is actually the original British English spelling. Therefore it is also the original Australian English spelling and it has now become the common spelling once again. This is confirmed in modern Australian dictionaries. It is also the commonly accepted spelling in Wikipedia articles written in Australian English. Whilst some people, such as yourself, may personally prefer the "programme" spelling that does cannot be justified on the grounds of being the "original spelling" because it simply isn't. The original spelling in British Spelling is "program". Yahboo (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. The ABC know a thing or two about contemporary Australian English spellings. The ABC's spelling is "programs" as can be confirmed on their website here. Yahboo (talk) 15:34, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- See MOS:SERIAL about the usage of the serial comma and the requirement that we retain consistency in articles. This is not an Australian English issue, but it is a Wikipedia manual of style issue. Once an article establishes a usage we are supposed to conform to that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- The article ALREADY had a usage. Both myself and the other editor you reverted had restored that from the addition of a serial comma by some IP serial comma warrior. So you are required to conform to it! Yahboo (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- See talk page of article. I did a search of the article and found 38 usages of the serial comma, all correct. That establishes a usage. Removing it in this one case is inconsistent with the rest of the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- The article ALREADY had a usage. Both myself and the other editor you reverted had restored that from the addition of a serial comma by some IP serial comma warrior. So you are required to conform to it! Yahboo (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- See MOS:SERIAL about the usage of the serial comma and the requirement that we retain consistency in articles. This is not an Australian English issue, but it is a Wikipedia manual of style issue. Once an article establishes a usage we are supposed to conform to that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
FYI: It is in fact an Australian English punctuation style issue as you will see from WP's Serial comma article which quotes from the Australian government's style manual in the section "Australian style guides opposing typical use". Therefore the article should follow this style in accordance with the more relevant MOS principles.
- The Australian Government Publishing Service's Style Manual for Authors, Editors and Printers
"A comma is used before and, or, or etc. in a list when its omission might either give rise to ambiguity or cause the last word or phrase to be construed with a preposition in the preceding phrase. … Generally, however, a comma is not used before and, or or etc. in a list." Yahboo (talk) 14:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- And Wikipedia has its own manual of style with targets consistency of usage in the article. Australian usage as mentioned said generally not used but did not rule out using it at all. I did check this Australian focused article for existing usage and the serial comma is the convention in that particular article. If this is an issue for you, fix the entirety of the article, don't just pick and choose a single instance to focus on. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- I noticed this discussion has appropriately moved to the article talk page. Will continue there. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)