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== File:Pen_Finger_Boiler.jpg == |
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Hello. I have [[christmas gift|recently come into ownership]] of a larger, more clearly visible [[hand boiler]] than the one in your image on that page, specifically [https://tedcotoys.com/product/hand-boiler-small-green/ this model]. I am intending to take CC-licensed photos and videos of its operation for use in the article. I wanted to ask your opinion on if you think such an image would be appropriate to replace your image in the infobox of the article - I think, since the model in question has a larger and more clearly visible amount of liquid, it will better illustrate the article in question. |
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Sorry for the overly formal wording, I wasn't really sure how to phrase this. [[User talk:Casualdejekyll|<span style="color:#E6007A">casualdejekyll</span>]] 02:12, 2 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:A better picture would be ideal. Please go ahead! --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski#top|talk]]) 04:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== The "Clacks" as an appropriate Popular Culture reference for Optical Telegraph == |
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Hi! |
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You recently reverted my addition [A] of "The Clacks" to the "popular culture" section of Optical Telegraph [[Optical_telegraph#In_popular_culture]] with the comment |
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" not alist of every time we see o.t. in movies or tv Undid revision 1129972240" |
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I wholeheartedly agree that we should not list "every time we see o.t. in movies or tv.". |
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However, "The Clacks" is a significant example of the Optical Telegraph in popular culture that meets the Wikipedia standards spelled out in [[Wikipedia:%22In_popular_culture%22_content#Good_and_bad_popular_culture_references]] |
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I'm requesting your guidance in crafting an appropriate mention of the Clacks. |
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The [[Wikipedia:%22In_popular_culture%22_content#Good_and_bad_popular_culture_references]] guideline recommends that the element should meet at least one of the four criteria listed[B], and that anything that meets three is probably solid. |
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The Clacks meets three of the required four criteria, so I believe the Clacks should be mentioned in [[Optical_telegraph#In_popular_culture]]. The three criteria it meets are: |
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# Multiple [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable sources]]: I provided multiple reliable sources, most notably reference [104] that specifically cited the "Clacks" as fiction keeping the concept of the optical telegraph alive. |
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# A real-world event occured because of the cultural element covered by the reference: After Terry Pratchett's death, programmers created the XClacksOverhead http header as a tribute to him, as I mentioned in my entry. |
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# The referencing material significantly depended on the specific subject?: The central conflict in the "Going Postal" book and movie was to keep the Post Office in business despite the competition from the Clacks. |
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I was trying to make it clear that "The Clacks" was not a minor reference by mentioning multiple citations in popular culture, |
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but as you say, this is "not alist of every time we see o.t.", so perhaps I could skinny it down, removing the explicit board game reference in the text, |
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I wanted to include a mention of XClacksOverhead in the main text, since "real-world events" are a criteria called out by the guidelines. |
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How about something like this? |
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"In the 21st century, the optical telegraph concept is mainly kept alive in popular culture through fiction[104] such as the "Clacks" shutter-based optical telegraph[105][106][107][108][109] of [[Terry_Pratchett | Terry Pratchett's]] 2004 [[Discworld]] novel [[Going_Postal]][110], 2010 TV film [[Terry_Pratchett%27s_Going_Postal]][111] and the XClacksOverhead[112][113] http header postmortem tribute to Terry Pratchett." |
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'''What are your thoughts?''' |
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[[User:Macchess|Macchess]] ([[User talk:Macchess|talk]]) 06:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC) |
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[A] In the 21st century, the optical telegraph concept is mainly kept alive in popular culture through fiction[104] such as the "Clacks" shutter-based optical telegraph[105] of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, most notably in his 2004 novel [[Going_Postal]][106]. Going Postal was made into the 2010 TV film Terry Pratchett's Going Postal. The Discworld "Clacks" were further popularized by a board game[107][108][109] and the internet-based http header tribute to Terry Pratchett, XClacksOverhead[110][111]. |
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[B] When trying to decide if a pop culture reference is appropriate to an article, ask yourself the following: |
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# Has the subject (if a person or organization) acknowledged the existence of the reference? |
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# Have multiple [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable sources]] pointed out the reference? |
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# Did any real-world event occur because of the cultural element covered by the reference? |
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# Did the referencing material significantly depend on the specific subject? For example, if the reference is to a specific model of car, did the material use that model car for some reason, or was it just a case of "use a well-known name of a car"? |
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If you cannot answer "yes" to at least one of these, you are probably just adding trivia. Get three or more, and you are probably adding genuinely encyclopedic content. |
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[[User:Macchess|Macchess]] ([[User talk:Macchess|talk]]) 06:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC) |
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