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Rules of chess
I saw your addition to the rules of chess about time runing out while being one move away from checkmate. I can't find this in either the FIDE rules or the USCF rules. Can you give the rule number? Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 04:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess it was a mistake. This was a rule my chess tutor (who is a grandmaster) taught me. I looked for it online just now and I actually found a USCF rule that contradicts it. I think it would be alright to say rule is used in some tournaments. If you disagree, you may change this or remove it completely. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 06:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, the closest thing I could find about it is in the USCF rulebook, rule 14G1 says that if both flags are down before checkmate, it is a draw. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 07:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is a rule that if a player's time runs out and there are insufficient chances that he would lose, it is a draw. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 07:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that "insufficient losing chances" was something you had to claim, and that you had to claim it before your time runs out. The rules described here don't mention a possibility of claiming a draw after the time runs out. (But I gather that Bubba73 is a tournament director, while I am not so I'll defer to him.) Regarding checkmate on the next move, if player A is forced to checkmate player B on the next move but oversteps the time limit, the game is drawn because no sequence of legal moves leads to player A being checkmated, however it is very rare that a player is forced to checkmate the opponent. --Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is a rule that if a player's time runs out and there are insufficient chances that he would lose, it is a draw. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 07:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- "Insufficient losing chances" is a USCF rule and is in contrast to the FIDE rule. It has to be in a sudden death time control and the player has to claim it when he has less than 2 minutes left, but before his time runs out, Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm with Sjakkalle on it's something you had to claim. SunCreator (talk) 16:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
There is a condition where I think you are right about checkmate on the next move, see "Insufficient losing chances" section on my talk page. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 16:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I notice you tagged Chicken Dance as self contradictory. I can certainly agree it's not well written, but I can't see a contradiction. As such, I've removed the tag, but if I've missed it, feel free to put the tag back with a note on the talk page. Cheers -- WORMMЯOW 13:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Good work
I noticed you added vowels to a word in the lead of Ketubah. That is a good thing you are doing. Many more articles could use your help in this. Debresser (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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Book of Ezekiel
Hi Wikitiki89, Til Eulenspiegel and Student7 - Grace and Peace! Might I invite you to the discussion topic I've started on the Book of Ezekiel talk page regarding the use of 'God' vs 'YHWH' in this article. You all clearly have knowledge of and passion for the subject and I would really appreciate seeing that harnessed into a new section. Wikipedia covers well the 'Yahwist'/'Elohist' source ideas that arise in higher criticism, but there is little on how the use of different references to the Deity has been interpreted through succeeding generations of Rabbinic and Christian interpretation. The Book of Ezekiel has its own emphasis here, particularly in the use of 'Lord GOD', so it's as good a place to start as any, and your collective enthusiasm makes you the ideal team! ;) For what it's worth, I come from a conservative Christian position, well-read but formally untaught in Theology. Blessings of Hannukah just past and Christmas about to come!John M Brear (talk) 09:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, and merry Christmas to you! BTW, I replied at Talk:Book of Ezekiel. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 19:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
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You think that the status of the West Bank is entirely irrelevant in an article about a media organization that represents the views of the Israeli settler movement living in the occupied West Bank. Why ? It's entirely relevant, it was deemed relevant by the cited reliable source and it's not at all like Paris. If it wasn't occupied and administered by the military as a territory under belligerent occupation, Arutz Sheva wouldn't be there. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- All of the necessary connotation is supplied by the word "settlement". The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are where many people who would support Arutz Sheva choose to live. It is only natural that they would set up a studio among these people. Whether Arutz Sheva would have a studio in the West Bank if the West Bank weren't "occupied and administered by the military as a territory under belligerent occupation" is POV speculation. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 19:10, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
- If all of the necessary connotation were supplied by the word "settlement" the RS cited would not have regarded it as necessary to supply the words "the occupied territories". You are making a content decision based on the premise that you are a reliable source. The reasoning is also a slippery slope. Similar reasoning could be used to argue that the combined attributes of being Israeli and in the West Bank indicate that it must be a settlement. The word settlement is therefore unnecessary and can be replaced by the word city, village etc. These are the kind of methods used to engineer language in the WP:ARBPIA topic area to move article content away from the language used by RS that we are supposed to reflect, towards the language preferred by organizations that advocate for the State of Israel. The premise that a reader can reliably derive information about the status of the West Bank from the term "settlement" is certainly not the case in my experience. Many readers are apparently misinformed about the status of the West Bank. Edits that treat Israeli settlements as if they are in Israel rather than the Israeli occupied territories are commonplace. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Well there's a difference between "misinformation" and "a belief other than yours". I'm not going to argue that the West Bank is not occupied, but I will say that there are people who believe this and not because they are misinformed, but because they have a different point of view. So essentially what you are saying is that if these people make "edits that treat Israeli settlements as if they are in Israel rather than the Israeli occupied territories" then the solution is to add the word occupied to every article that mentions the West Bank? Back to the more important point about sources, this source in particular does not use the term "occupied West Bank", but "occupied territories". The only mention of "West Bank" in the source is the following quote from the Introduction (page xiii): "[…] in the areas occupied by Israeli military forces […]—in particular the West Bank of the Jordan River and the Gaza Strip […]". In other words, it uses West Bank, to define part of the occupied territories. I can find sources that use the words "West Bank" to describe the location of Arutz Sheva's studio, but none that say "occupied West Bank" (that doesn't mean that none exist, I just can't find them). --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 04:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- You misunderstand. My belief, the only one that matters, is that Wikipedia content is built from reliable sources using documented decision procedures. What I believe about the real world doesn't matter. So, while I agree that there's a difference between "misinformation" and "a belief other than yours", misinformation in this context is information that is inconsistent with policy, information that is wrong from a Wikipedia perspective no matter what I think about it. My solution is certainly not to 'add the word occupied to every article that mentions the West Bank'. In fact, I have removed occupied as a prefix to West Bank from several articles when it has been redundant given the context. Either way, I see that removing this word is important enough for you to violate 1RR over it and edit without gaining consensus. I shall leave you to it then because my continued involvement seems likely to cause you to commit editing suicide by getting yourself blocked or topic banned and I'm not going to help you do that. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like you misunderstood me as well. My latest revert was based only on evidence from the sources, as was the latter half of the argument in my previous post here, which I think was important than the former half, yet you failed to respond to it. I am not familiar with all of Wikipedia's policies, so if I am breaking any rules, it's news to me. I always thought the rule was three reverts, and so far I have made two. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 06:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, all articles related to the 'Arab-Israeli' conflict 'broadly construed' are covered by WP:1RR. It's part of the discretionary sanctions that cover the WP:ARBPIA topic area. Sometimes this will be indicated by a header on the talk page, sometimes it won't. If you are unaware of this restriction that's okay, but bear it in mind in future whenever you edit an article or content within an article (even just one sentence) that could be considered (by admins) to be within scope of the WP:ARBPIA topic area's restrictions. It should at least be clear to you that you do not have consensus for your change and therefore should not be imposing it on the article. I didn't respond on the content issue because I don't think anything I say will affect your view. You believe that the status of the West Bank is entirely irrelevant in an article about a settler media organization based in the West Bank, you believe that the status can be derived from the word "settlement", you reject the approach used by a book published by University of Illinois Press (e.g. you could have followed the source and used the term 'the occupied territories) and instead have cited a book written by a partisan author published by WorldNetDaily. WorldNetDaily is not treated as a reliable source for facts in Wikipedia and has been discussed many times (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_62#WORLD_NET_DAILY_final_answer_needed for example). Sean.hoyland - talk 07:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for the explanation of the policy. Regarding the sources, again you did not respond to what I said. The source that was there (which you consider to be reliable) uses the word "West Bank" to refer to a subset of the "occupied territories". "West Bank" is more specific than "occupied territories", so changing to the latter would be removing information. The source I added may be considered "not generally acceptable as a source for factual material", but that does not make it unreliable for terminological material. Anyway, if the fact that the West Bank is occupied is relevant to the article, then this relevance should be mentioned in the article, rather than just slipping in the word "occupied" where it doesn't belong. I have attempted to do this in my most recent edit to the article. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 07:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, all articles related to the 'Arab-Israeli' conflict 'broadly construed' are covered by WP:1RR. It's part of the discretionary sanctions that cover the WP:ARBPIA topic area. Sometimes this will be indicated by a header on the talk page, sometimes it won't. If you are unaware of this restriction that's okay, but bear it in mind in future whenever you edit an article or content within an article (even just one sentence) that could be considered (by admins) to be within scope of the WP:ARBPIA topic area's restrictions. It should at least be clear to you that you do not have consensus for your change and therefore should not be imposing it on the article. I didn't respond on the content issue because I don't think anything I say will affect your view. You believe that the status of the West Bank is entirely irrelevant in an article about a settler media organization based in the West Bank, you believe that the status can be derived from the word "settlement", you reject the approach used by a book published by University of Illinois Press (e.g. you could have followed the source and used the term 'the occupied territories) and instead have cited a book written by a partisan author published by WorldNetDaily. WorldNetDaily is not treated as a reliable source for facts in Wikipedia and has been discussed many times (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_62#WORLD_NET_DAILY_final_answer_needed for example). Sean.hoyland - talk 07:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- It looks like you misunderstood me as well. My latest revert was based only on evidence from the sources, as was the latter half of the argument in my previous post here, which I think was important than the former half, yet you failed to respond to it. I am not familiar with all of Wikipedia's policies, so if I am breaking any rules, it's news to me. I always thought the rule was three reverts, and so far I have made two. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 06:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- You misunderstand. My belief, the only one that matters, is that Wikipedia content is built from reliable sources using documented decision procedures. What I believe about the real world doesn't matter. So, while I agree that there's a difference between "misinformation" and "a belief other than yours", misinformation in this context is information that is inconsistent with policy, information that is wrong from a Wikipedia perspective no matter what I think about it. My solution is certainly not to 'add the word occupied to every article that mentions the West Bank'. In fact, I have removed occupied as a prefix to West Bank from several articles when it has been redundant given the context. Either way, I see that removing this word is important enough for you to violate 1RR over it and edit without gaining consensus. I shall leave you to it then because my continued involvement seems likely to cause you to commit editing suicide by getting yourself blocked or topic banned and I'm not going to help you do that. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- Well there's a difference between "misinformation" and "a belief other than yours". I'm not going to argue that the West Bank is not occupied, but I will say that there are people who believe this and not because they are misinformed, but because they have a different point of view. So essentially what you are saying is that if these people make "edits that treat Israeli settlements as if they are in Israel rather than the Israeli occupied territories" then the solution is to add the word occupied to every article that mentions the West Bank? Back to the more important point about sources, this source in particular does not use the term "occupied West Bank", but "occupied territories". The only mention of "West Bank" in the source is the following quote from the Introduction (page xiii): "[…] in the areas occupied by Israeli military forces […]—in particular the West Bank of the Jordan River and the Gaza Strip […]". In other words, it uses West Bank, to define part of the occupied territories. I can find sources that use the words "West Bank" to describe the location of Arutz Sheva's studio, but none that say "occupied West Bank" (that doesn't mean that none exist, I just can't find them). --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 04:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
- If all of the necessary connotation were supplied by the word "settlement" the RS cited would not have regarded it as necessary to supply the words "the occupied territories". You are making a content decision based on the premise that you are a reliable source. The reasoning is also a slippery slope. Similar reasoning could be used to argue that the combined attributes of being Israeli and in the West Bank indicate that it must be a settlement. The word settlement is therefore unnecessary and can be replaced by the word city, village etc. These are the kind of methods used to engineer language in the WP:ARBPIA topic area to move article content away from the language used by RS that we are supposed to reflect, towards the language preferred by organizations that advocate for the State of Israel. The premise that a reader can reliably derive information about the status of the West Bank from the term "settlement" is certainly not the case in my experience. Many readers are apparently misinformed about the status of the West Bank. Edits that treat Israeli settlements as if they are in Israel rather than the Israeli occupied territories are commonplace. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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