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: Thank you for the reminder of the ultimately amusing 2010 RFC/U, which included outside comments like "I think that "Example 1" and "Example 2" are pretty lame reasons to open an RfC/U," and of course resulted in no sanctions of any kind against me. I note for the record that several of the complainants there have since been banned or blocked as a result of their own misbehavior through the discretionary sanctions set up by the same ArbCom case you reference (and all without any comment from me, on the initiative of other Wikipedians). The comments about my behavior back then also included "Nomming non-notable WP:CLUB spam for deletion is a sign of a ''good'' editor." Yes, the AfD results back up that statement. The RFC/U was well summarized by yet another editor's statement: |
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WeijiBaikeBianji has put a lot of effort into bringing these troublesome articles up to snuff, with encouragement to do so from one of the arbitrators near the close of the arbitration.[diff] He's been forthright about the direction he thinks they should go: elevating the quality of the sources used, bringing the articles more into conformity with the way the subject is addressed in other encyclopedias and secondary sources, eliminating or appropriately balancing the fringy debris etc. He's been very collegial every step of the way while working to get up to speed on wikipedia's somewhat byzantine customs and folkways. He's simply been going WP:BOLD because (as we all know) there's a tendency to "process" endlessly trying to "collaborate" so things stagnate and very little ever gets done. |
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: The result in the current case is much like the result in 2010. One statement about my edits was, "The edits appear to follow WP:BLP policy on inclusion of unsourced material and as such do not fall under the scope of either 3RR or even discretionary sanctions". The overseeing administrator wrote, "The question is whether WeijiBaikeBianji engaged in misconduct by repeatedly reverting to remove Charles Murray from a 'list of notable hereditarians'. I believe that they did not. The entry for Murray in that list was unsourced, and the article about Murray does not mention the word 'hereditarian', let alone a source for that association." Again, the result is no sanction against me. I have never been blocked, and I have never been topic-banned, even though by coincidence my best sources that I use to edit articles on Wikipedia mostly take me to articles that have been subject to discretionary sanctions since 2010. As that administrator wondered, I also wonder, why not look up a source '''first''' before editing an article with a statement about a living person, especially after your fellow Wikipedian has asked for a source with a link to [[WP:BLP]] in the article's edit history? -- [[User:WeijiBaikeBianji|WeijiBaikeBianji]] ([[User talk:WeijiBaikeBianji|talk]], [[User:WeijiBaikeBianji/Editing|how I edit]]) 13:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Thanks to all of you for the interesting conversations that occur here. We are here to build an encyclopedia, so let's discuss how to improve as many of the 6,822,500 articles on Wikipedia as we can. Tips from Wikipedians on how to edit better, and on where to find resources for sourcing better edits, are always appreciated. I see other user talk pages have announcements about where each editor will reply to posts. Usually I will reply to your comments to me, posted here, right here on this page. I'll do my best to learn to follow to where you want me to read your posts, and where to reply to them, if you have a differing preference.
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Terrific statement; hope all is going well for you on Wikipedia. I tend to check and verify sources, too - especially to see if they are being used correctly. Parkwells (talk) 22:11, 22
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A question from MicroMacro
I have a feeling you don't like me.. Am I right?MicroMacroMania (talk) 17:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
- It's never personal. (I've never met you, so how could I know whether or not I like you?) I am just really eager to make sure that edits to encyclopedia text on Wikipedia are based on reliable, secondary sources. I didn't make up that rule--it was here before I came here, and I try to honor best practice in encyclopedia editing. The "how I edit" link in my signature explains more background, and also mentions that I really have hope that everyone here, and I do mean everyone, will learn more about encyclopedia editing by following Wikipedia policies and guidelines while looking for reliable sources. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 18:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
- How was I wrong in those edits? I added the found correlation with two different sources and how heritable brain size is also with source. Ohh well I reversed to pre my edits. Hope that is correct.. MicroMacroMania (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- How were you right with those edits? Do those edits reflect current, reliable, secondary sources on the article topic? Are the primary source findings you are relying on replicated and endorsed as related to the article topic by the primary source article authors themselves, and also other authors on the topic of the article. Remember, the article is subject to discretionary sanctions since an Arbitration Committee case in 2010, and it is especially important for your new insertions of content into that article to be sourced meticulously according to Wikipedia content guidelines. Anyway, this discussion should be occurring on the article talk page, where I invited the beginning of discussion. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- So I guess my part about Biogeographic variation in brain size in the article brain size includes primary sources and needs copyediting? If I understand applied standards correctly.MicroMacroMania (talk) 08:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Question
Dear WeijiBAikeBianji,
Could you please tell me in some understandable why what exactly I am doing wrong? It seems to me that I am doing everything right and in the interest of Wikipedia. Yes, it is in my interest that people know about my work. But this should not be wrong per se.
What is it exactly that I did wrong? Only if I know this, I can maybe think how to fix it. So far, it has been very hard to me to understand your criticism. The information was too scarce, and it did not seem to match what you wrote and what I found under the mentioned links.
Please help me make things right. How do you propose that I make this link properly?
Thank you very much in advance.
With best regards,
Danko Nikolic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.5.6.109 (talk) 16:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I've added a heading to your new section on this talk page after SineBot added a signature to your question. Simply put, the behavioral guideline on conflict of interest says, "Do not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships." There are quite a few articles here on Wikipedia that I never edit, or have never created, simply because I have too close a relationship to the topic (the organization, the person, or whatever). You can do the same. There are 6,822,500 articles here on Wikipedia, and each of us is free to fix as many of those as we can, but we are here to build an encyclopedia, not to engage in self-promotion. It's really that simple. If a primary research study you personally conducted gets noticed and written about in reliable secondary sources, it may eventually be mentioned in passing in a few relevant Wikipedia articles. But your job here is not to short-circuit that process by posting external links to websites about your own work in article space. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 18:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Dear WeijiBaikeBianji,
- Can you please explain to me what I do wrong. I really do not see it. You said that the page was commercial, than that there is a conflict of interest and finally, that it is promotional.
- I think I deserve a fair explanation. What is it really that bothers you about those links?
- Or better question: How can I do it right? Or, what would be the right way of someone else doing it?
- Under which circumstances would a link to scientific contents outside Wikipedia be allowed? There a plenty of links. So, where is the line drawn? Can you please explain it to me?
- If you do not want to explain but just keep giving me every time another link without any consideration for my problem, I have no way of understanding it. How do you expect me to accept it without spending a little bit of time and thought in explaining it?
- Thank you very much.
- With best regards,
- Danko Nikolic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dankonikolic (talk • contribs) 18:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- It would help communication here immensely if you would learn basic Wikipedia conventions of always signing your talk page posts with your username signature, and learning how to show indentation of replies. (Hint: do not put multiple space characters at the beginning of a line of text. That messes up formatting very badly.) You as an editor have an affirmative duty to provide a rationale for each of your edits, and you have shown anyone why the external link fits Wikipedia policies or guidelines. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 18:28, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:IQ and Human Intelligence 2nd Ed Book Cover Image.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:IQ and Human Intelligence 2nd Ed Book Cover Image.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 21:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Stefan2, I am writing the article in a user sandbox just now. I'm a first-timer in following the rule about that kind of image, so I appreciate the reminder. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 03:03, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Non-free images may not be used in user sandboxes. See WP:NFCC#9. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Got it. I'm learning here. I appreciate you pointing to the specific, detailed rule. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Non-free images may not be used in user sandboxes. See WP:NFCC#9. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Secondary vs Primary Sources
I have a question given your dismissal of what you consider to be "primary sources" vs "secondary sources." (Full disclosure: I reverted your edit in the Sex differences article). Is it your position that a science article in a peer-reviewed and mainstream journal is a "primary source" (and, thus, a poor citation), but once that same article is reported on by a third-party news source, the news source (being, presumably, "secondary") is now better? ... Even though the information, argument, or evidence therein has not changed, it is somehow "more reliable" if featured in a textbook or by a newspaper? -- Veggies (talk) 22:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
- You ask about an issue that I didn't understand when I first came to Wikipedia in 2010, and learned about from other, more experienced editors. And I know that Wikpedia's culture around this issue has changed over time, and many articles that were sourced up to Wikipedia's old guidelines are now in need of updates to meet today's guidelines. An scientist's report of that scientist's research findings is, in the usual case, a "primary source" for application of Wikipedia's content guidelines for editing articles. (I was more aware of the historical or journalistic use of the term "primary source" when I came here, and perhaps that is the background you bring to this issue too. You have done some good work on articles on historical topics, as I see from your user page, so it looks like you have that distinction well in mind.) In discussion with other editors on the article talk pages of very controversial articles, some of which are still under Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions since 2010, I learned that the Wikipedia content guideline on use of reliable sources works in a special way, bearing in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a collection of abstracts of newly published research. If I am correct in looking at which edit you have linked to, the article "Predictors of Stress Fracture Susceptibility in Young Female Recruits" is indeed a primary source, as it describes itself as "Study Design: Cohort study; Level of evidence, 2. Methods: Data collected included baseline performance on a timed run (a measure of aerobic fitness), anthropometric measurements, and a baseline questionnaire highlighting exercise and menstrual status among 2962 women undergoing basic training at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, in 1995 and 1996." The Wikipedia content guideline on reliable sources in medicine is very thoughtfully written, having been developed over several years by a group of scholarly Wikipedians. (I had no role in putting together that content guideline, but I mostly edit articles for which that content guideline fits well.) Feel free to review both on the Wikipedia content guidelines, the general guideline on reliable sources, and the specific guideline on sources for statements about medical issues, for more examples of primary sources and secondary sources, and feel free to ask me follow-up questions as needed. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 03:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
IQ and Global Inequality
You appear to be edit-warring on this article and further reverts may result in a block. TFD (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice. I see you are referring to the discussion you opened on the Edit Warring notice board, and that I am not identified as acting against consensus, but rather another editor is. I wish the admins all the best in figuring out what to do about this, and I'm happy to take a break from that page while the matter is resolved. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 00:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Updating Journal Article Citations.
Indeed, book editions are tricky. If you'd prefer, I can use the journal/publisher's website instead of the APA database. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smasongarrison (talk • contribs) 03:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Enforcement requested of disruptive behavior spanning multiple years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#WeijiBaikeBianji — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deleet (talk • contribs) 01:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reminder of the ultimately amusing 2010 RFC/U, which included outside comments like "I think that "Example 1" and "Example 2" are pretty lame reasons to open an RfC/U," and of course resulted in no sanctions of any kind against me. I note for the record that several of the complainants there have since been banned or blocked as a result of their own misbehavior through the discretionary sanctions set up by the same ArbCom case you reference (and all without any comment from me, on the initiative of other Wikipedians). The comments about my behavior back then also included "Nomming non-notable WP:CLUB spam for deletion is a sign of a good editor." Yes, the AfD results back up that statement. The RFC/U was well summarized by yet another editor's statement:
WeijiBaikeBianji has put a lot of effort into bringing these troublesome articles up to snuff, with encouragement to do so from one of the arbitrators near the close of the arbitration.[diff] He's been forthright about the direction he thinks they should go: elevating the quality of the sources used, bringing the articles more into conformity with the way the subject is addressed in other encyclopedias and secondary sources, eliminating or appropriately balancing the fringy debris etc. He's been very collegial every step of the way while working to get up to speed on wikipedia's somewhat byzantine customs and folkways. He's simply been going WP:BOLD because (as we all know) there's a tendency to "process" endlessly trying to "collaborate" so things stagnate and very little ever gets done.
- The result in the current case is much like the result in 2010. One statement about my edits was, "The edits appear to follow WP:BLP policy on inclusion of unsourced material and as such do not fall under the scope of either 3RR or even discretionary sanctions". The overseeing administrator wrote, "The question is whether WeijiBaikeBianji engaged in misconduct by repeatedly reverting to remove Charles Murray from a 'list of notable hereditarians'. I believe that they did not. The entry for Murray in that list was unsourced, and the article about Murray does not mention the word 'hereditarian', let alone a source for that association." Again, the result is no sanction against me. I have never been blocked, and I have never been topic-banned, even though by coincidence my best sources that I use to edit articles on Wikipedia mostly take me to articles that have been subject to discretionary sanctions since 2010. As that administrator wondered, I also wonder, why not look up a source first before editing an article with a statement about a living person, especially after your fellow Wikipedian has asked for a source with a link to WP:BLP in the article's edit history? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I noticed your revert of my last edit of this article. For your information the passage is not a direct quotation but a paraphrase, as you may see if you look at the book. "de-facto" is not used in the cited book but "de facto" is. I hope you may consider reverting your revert. Jodosma (talk) 07:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Do you have the book at hand? I think I do. Some of the direct quotations were messed up previously by people running AWB on them. I will make sure that the quotation is verbatim. This seems to be an ongoing problem with "proof-reading"--editors on Wikipedia imposing their personal preferences on direct quotations from professionally edited books. Surely we can agree that a quotation from a book should have the same style as in the original, right? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jodosma, you are right. I will restore your edit immediately. I appreciate your attention to fine details and welcome you to scan articles that I expand (I hope to expand several more over the next year) any time. See you on the wiki. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 8
Books & Bytes
Issue 8, August-September2014
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Blond Hair edits
It might be interest if we could find a picture of hmong blonde hair for the article. I havent for now found one with proper license.MicroMacroMania (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't seen many examples here. I live nearer to the Somali people than to most of the Hmong people in my area. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 23:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- Lol... That seem to say something about where you live.. (which is?) But there is certainly some blond in the hmong people: https://www.google.dk/search?q=hmong+blonde&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=hCk2VLqGGMW7ygOQuoLICA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
MicroMacroMania (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
G is for Genes by Kathryn Asbury & Robert Plomin
Weiji, have you read the above book? If so, would you say that it is a useful citation for behavior genetic related articles? Should we create an article for it? Are there any reviews that can be included in such an article?Wajajad (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)