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== [[Draft:Makurdi kidnapping|Makurdi kidnapping]] moved to draftspace per [[WP:NOTNEWS]], single event without lasting, historical meaning == |
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An article you recently created, [[Draft:Makurdi kidnapping|Makurdi kidnapping]], is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent sources]]. <small>([[WP:42|?]])</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed ([[WP:V|verifiability]] is of [[WP:5|central importance]] on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to [[Wikipedia:Draftspace|draftspace]] (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]] and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|CommanderWaterford}}, not going to lie, you just made my life slightly harder. You messed up a ton of formatting things and the article was linked on [[Portal:Current events]]. I suggest you read [[WP:RAPID]]. When the article (That has 0 info but still linked on a main page) is deleted, I am moving it back and adding the WikiProject of Current Events protection for a few hours to let sources create articles for Wikipedia. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 15:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::Well @[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] , my job as a NPP is not to make your life easier. I suggest you make yourself comfortable with [[Wikipedia:NOTNEWS]] and [[wikipedia:New pages patrol|Wikipedia:New pages patrol.]] If you move it back I will nominate it for deletion since it is clearly not notable and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 15:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::PS: Regarding [[Wikipedia:RAPID]] I would like also to remind you on [[WP:DELAY]] .... the entry on the Current Event Portal is linked to the draft, this is no problem at all. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 15:26, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Feel free to nominate it for deletion...after 2 hours, which is the standard “Current event protection”. It allows for RS to create sources for it. Also, the Portal isn’t supposed to link to Drafts unless it will be in draft state more than 24 hours, similar to Hurricane articles and such. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 15:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::P.S. this has a chance to be ITN later in life, similar to [[Zamfara kidnapping]]. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 15:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|CommanderWaterford}}, I have moved it back to main space after making sure it had 7 sources and was linked correctly with the other kidnapping articles. If you want to nominate it for deletion, be my guest, but knowing that this is the 5th kidnapping in the 2021 Nigeria school kidnapping series and the first 4 have articles (With the first in the series having ITN recognition), I highly doubt an Afd would succeed, but since you believe it is [[WP:NOTNEWS]], be my guest at the Afd. Would be fun reading your reasoning why a school kidnapping would be not notable. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 22:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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[[WP:RAPID]]: "Other alternatives to deletion while the story develops are userfying or '''incubating the article in draftspace.'''" (emphasis mine). Suggesting to someone that they should read [[WP:RAPID]], when that page suggests exactly the thing they have done, is rather ironic. Can you point me to where the "standard current event protection" is dsecribed? I've never heard of such a thing, but we have so many policies that I may have missed this. In general, we don't ever create articles in the hope that sources will appear, we only create articles once enough sources exist to meet GNG (or some equivalent of it). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 15:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Fram|Fram]] Since the Creator confuses Wikipedia with a newspaper I took it to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makurdi kidnapping]]. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 22:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yeah. I will admit that I missed the "Move to draftspace" part of [[WP:RAPID]]. My apologies {{ping|CommanderWaterford}} and {{ping|Fram}}. Also, the "Current event protection" isn't a 'real' policy per say. More of a curtosy that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events]] has and has used in the past. Basically it is an in-line that is place at the top of a new/breaking type article that simply asks the article not be draftified/afd/prod for about 2 hours. They are really only used for things that get posted to the [[Portal:Current events]]. I do not know exactly what articles it was used on, but one that I added to myself (Found via edit summary searching) was [[2021 Muskogee shooting]]. When the shooting happened, there was tons of RS for it since it was breaking news. It got posted to the portal and as the stub article was being made for it, aka the first hour that it existed, that was added more to let editors know it was being worked on, so please don't delete it right now. Again, it isn't an official policy by any means. It is extremely rare and some editors actually frown on putting a draft in the Portal since it has 60k daily views. Other than that kidnapping article, I have only seen weather related articles, like hurricanes and the winter storms, be in draft form and still be posted to the portal. Also, this is a comment to CommanderWaterford, you said earlier it redirects to the main (Fixing the portal problem). It didn't. I had to manually do that. To other situations, like searching or contribution links, it auto redirects, but since the Portal page is a "protected" page, it doesn't automatically redirect. So for about 2 hours, the portal had a blank page linked. That is the formatting problem I was referencing earlier. |
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:Back to what Fram was talking about with "we don't ever create articles in the hope that sources will appear, we only create articles once enough sources exist to meet GNG". That is a reason that "protection" in-line was created. For current event articles that get linked to a heavily trafficked page, it is actually better to have a short stub article where people know it exists than to have it in draft state (Why drafts are hated on the portal.). When an article is in draft state & is a breaking news thing (Use anything like a bomb going off at a major event or anything), editors will try to create drafts/stub articles for it. At the same time, you could have maybe 2-3 articles going on at the same time, being edited by multiple editors. It saves some time and discussions in those situations by having 1 article, in a place people would look for it. An example is that [[Zamfara kidnapping]]/Jangebe kidnapping. I can't find it right now, but I remember seeing both articles exist, with information, and they were about the same thing. |
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:So to answer back to what you said, for current events/breaking news stub articles, I believe it is better to have a stub for at least a few hours so editors don't create multiple drafts/articles on the same thing (Maybe different names even). If RS isn't picking it up after an hour or 2, then it should be speedy deleted. I have followed this pattern in the past and it seems to work. This is honestly the first question I had at creating a current event stub. All 3 of the articles I started that were nominated to ITN all had some time (I think a few hours) that they were stub articles linked at the [[Portal:Current events]]. I wouldn't worry about it, especially for the first hour it exists. After that, then I believe discussions should happen for notability and such. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 00:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::It would be a slightly stronger argument if you hadn't created the article at a name no one would look for (at the history you now have deleted, making it look as if Commande Waterford created the article). [[Madurai Kidnapping]] (never mind the capitalization, but a completely wrong name)? Then moved by you to [[Makurai kidnapping]] (still the wrong name)? Finally moved by another editor to the right name. That's one of the many dangers of rushing such things, which leads to drafts getting speedy deleted as BLP violations and so on. We are not a news ticker, and such events can wait a few hours to get their own article. Often, if something needs to be done, it is best to start it as a redirect to an existing article, where you add one line about the new event. Afterwards, if a lot more is known and things are clearer, a separate article can be created. E.g. here, an article about the kidnappings in general would make much more sense, and new kidnappings could be added there. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 07:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
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...doesn't apply to two ships which already existed for a few years and will keep on existing for more years, but which are now named in a few reports of the fishing commercial battle. They are not "current events", they are minor elements in it. Either you create articles about the ships, in which this blip on the radar may be mentioned, or don't bother: but this kind of immediatism, as if what happens today is the only thing that matters is useless. If the main article states that 2 French patrolships X and Y particpate in the event, then creating bluelinks which state "patrolship X participates in event Z" is worse than useless, it is frustrating emptiness. Please see [[WP:NOTNEWS]], and keep in mind things like "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style. In addition to writing in encyclopedic tone, events must be put into encyclopedic context. " and "While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information". We are writing an encyclopedia, not a news ticker or a twitter feed. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 13:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Fram}}, just a heads up, you might want to Afd [[Athos (A712)]] since someone (not me) remade it since you believe it isn’t notable for Wikipedia (hence the draftification that is now irrelevant and that history being deleted due to no redirect being left so another person made it. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 16:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Please take a look at [[WP:TITLEFORMAT]]. Article titles should be in sentence-case. I've had to move two of your new articles to the correct capitalization this week. Please take more care in formatting your article titles, thanks. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 20:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Draft:Colonial Pipeline cyberattack|Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] moved to draftspace == |
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An article you recently created, [[Draft:Colonial Pipeline cyberattack|Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]], is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent sources]]. <small>([[WP:42|?]])</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed ([[WP:V|verifiability]] is of [[WP:5|central importance]] on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to [[Wikipedia:Draftspace|draftspace]] (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]] and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 21:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|CommanderWaterford}} (An IMO statement){{rpa}}.... More RS even though it has 4 RS (Including the 2 most neutral and reliable sources in the world) and 2 sources that are highly RS (Even was told by an admin to use them) and you say use more RS??? I suggest you read [[WP:THREE]]... [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 21:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:P.S. I moved it back after adding 8 RS...which now means I ref bombed it... [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 21:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::I really hope that I do not have to bring this kind of article creation behaviour to ANI. Draft Space is exactly for developing such articles - you seem to be very eager to create [[WP:SENSATIONAL]] articles and to ignore always [[WP:DELAY]], you do not want to understand obviously our [[WP:NOTNEWS]] creation policy, Wikipedia is not a newspaper nor Twitter - please also watch your tone while communicating with me. [[User:CommanderWaterford|CommanderWaterford]] ([[User talk:CommanderWaterford|talk]]) 08:03, 9 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I am now very confused. You removed 4 words that you called a 'personal attack' and I read that entire policy over. Please explain why those 4 words are a personal attack. Even saying ANI to me is a personal attack based on the amount of [[WP:RAPID]]'s you did (and lost). But that is not the topic for this discussion. So yeah, I will be looking forward to your answer as to why those 4 words are a 'personal attack'. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]]) 10:24, 9 May 2021 (UTC) |
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== ITN recognition for [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] == |
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