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*This proves that you are making a [[WP:Pointy]] argument, you even went to Trump's article and said you want to add cult to it. You are comparing apples with oranges here. The MEK's cultish terror behavior is described '''and discussed''' in detail in multiple high-quality sources. It's not passing mentions in media outlets.--[[User:SharabSalam|<font color="#8D056C ">SharʿabSalam▼</font>]] ([[User talk:SharabSalam|talk]]) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
*This proves that you are making a [[WP:Pointy]] argument, you even went to Trump's article and said you want to add cult to it. You are comparing apples with oranges here. The MEK's cultish terror behavior is described '''and discussed''' in detail in multiple high-quality sources. It's not passing mentions in media outlets.--[[User:SharabSalam|<font color="#8D056C ">SharʿabSalam▼</font>]] ([[User talk:SharabSalam|talk]]) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*This is fairly obviously a content dispute in which both of you have strong feelings. Take your disagreement to the relevant talk page, please. SharabSalam, I would expect you to substantiate that point with reliable sources. Stefka, the strongest reason you have for merging content is redundancy; please substantiate, in detail, the redundancy issue on the talk page. If you can't come to a consensus on the talk page (and I'd be very surprised if you do; I haven't yet seen any of you make any substantive compromise there) please open an RfC, and break down your proposal into parts, so that some of it may reach consensus even if all of it does not. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 18:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
*This is fairly obviously a content dispute in which both of you have strong feelings. Take your disagreement to the relevant talk page, please. SharabSalam, I would expect you to substantiate that point with reliable sources. Stefka, the strongest reason you have for merging content is redundancy; please substantiate, in detail, the redundancy issue on the talk page. If you can't come to a consensus on the talk page (and I'd be very surprised if you do; I haven't yet seen any of you make any substantive compromise there) please open an RfC, and break down your proposal into parts, so that some of it may reach consensus even if all of it does not. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 18:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
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* You should have not closed that RfC. Do you think there isn't any other admin or editor to close that discussion? You know this is a highly controversial topic as this terrorist group that is supported by Americans is responsible for killing millions of innocent people. Your provocative close of that RfC should be the last close of RfCs in that talk page.--[[User:SharabSalam|<font color="#8D056C ">SharʿabSalam▼</font>]] ([[User talk:SharabSalam|talk]]) 18:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC) |
Revision as of 18:01, 22 April 2020
Happy New Year Vanamonde93!
Closing a RfC
Why did you close that RfC although you are involved in that discussion?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93, thank you for closing the RfC, in an intelligent, cogent and comprehensive manner. Your uninvolved status as an admin is without reproach, as far as I'm concerned. You have my full support and thanks. El_C 22:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- El C, thanks, much appreciated. SharabSalam: I have participated in that discussion in an administrative capacity, giving general advice about policy, but not taking a specific position on the content. Please read through WP:INVOLVED very carefully, and if you still think something I did was inappropriate, please raise it with me here, or at the administrator noticeboard, if you feel it to be necessary. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I just wanted to mention how the Wiki page about coronavirus in Iran has been hijacked by a group of Iranian users (or multiple alternate accounts of the same user, it is quite possible) attempting to censor the misgivings about Iran's obviously fake numbers on the coronavirus epidemic there. The lead sections, for instance, contains a line referring to a 2 March WHO statement claiming that there was nothing wrong with Iran's numbers, which is outdated and contradicted by more recent WHO statements that claim that actual numbers are likely five times higher. Attempts at updating this, deleting that outdated and incorrect claims, have been sistematically reverted by these users, that have also deleted several lines and links referring to outside sources that estimate a far heavier toll in Iran. Iran claims to have far less cases than Italy, Spain, Germany, France, and the USA, and less deaths than Italy, Spain, and France (soon enough the USA as well), despite the outbreak in Iran starting at the same time as Italy and much earlier than in the other countries, and Iran not implementing a national lockdown unlike them (on the contrary, Iran early on denied the outbreak and held elections anyway). So, a few days ago I reported these users (one of which is User:Saff V. who has already been blocked for vandalism and non-neutral edit warring on Iran-related wiki pages; another is User talk:Pahlevun, also responsible for this kind of behaviour) for edit warring on the Administrators' page, and? I got blocked immediately, without even a discussion! --Pesqara (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Pesqara: You were blocked by a checkuser for editing logged out. If you think that was unfair for whatever reason, there's no point in telling me that; I'm not a checkuser, and cannot help you. If you are concerned with the neutrality of the article, please update the article using reliable sources, and if you are reverted, post on the talk page of the article, with the sources that you have. I am seeing all of one post from you on that page, and it was a complaint without any sources supporting it. I am monitoring that talk page, and will take any necessary action. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, the article talk page is the place to address these concerns. I'll try to keep an eye, also. El_C 17:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Repeatedly and irrelevantly pointing out policies and guidelines, killing the users' time by lengthy, groundless discussions on talk pages and pushing them beyond their limits, blocking the normal flow of information. Looking for diffs? Just go for any random edit. Those running such "genuinely independent online media outlets" [1], [2] won't simply forget little old wiki. MS 会話 18:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, the article talk page is the place to address these concerns. I'll try to keep an eye, also. El_C 17:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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About an edit which you reversed
Hi Vanamonde93. Hope you are safe and healthy This is about an edit you reversed. Please see here en
- @SaiP: I called it "silly" because the subsequent sections also document things in which Modi was involved. As such it's a meaningless distinction. The other subsection titles cover topics of communication; the first is general; it needs no title. The reason a separate section exists in the US article is that there's a fair number of sources commenting on the administration's response as distinct from Trump's own response. As far as I have seen, there's no evidence of such in the Indian case; sources treat the government's response as a coherent whole. As such, a "Prime Minister Modi" section would make sense under communication if, and only if, the other subsections were about communications from other sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Vanamonde, Mhhossein has been removing information that points to Ruhollah Khomeini and Qasem Soleimani having a personality cult. On the other hand, has been trying to add multiple cult/cult personality quotes into the People's Mojahedin of Iran article; something that's already covered and repeated throughout the article. After a week of not answering to the article's Talk pages, Mhhossein's argument is that he removed that information from those articles because "cult personality" is a "perjorative"
term backed by questionable sources. In the Ruhollah Khomeini article, for example, the sources backing up this statement included the following: [1], [2], [3], [4],[5], [6], [7],[8]. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Please present your sources on the talk pages of those articles, and let's see what Mhhossein has to say about them. Embedded quotes will be helpful. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- [3]. --Mhhossein talk 11:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein: I don't understand what point you are making; your diff shows Stefka removing an unnecessary signature. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- [3]. --Mhhossein talk 11:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Not sure what headline to give to this
Hi Vanamonde, after consulting with you, I went ahead with the consensus on the MEK page. However, SharabSalam reverted saying "Sorry, no consesus for this merge and those sources are needed". SharabSalam also rejected the sources provided on the Qasem Soleimani talk page. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus is subject to change, Stefka Bulgaria. If more users join a dispute and disagree with your proposed edits, that's just the way of things sometimes. Particularly on Qasem Soleimani, where the dispute really is about the relative prominence of views in sources. Start an RfC, or take this to DRN. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- The talk page discussion was opened over 10 days ago. SharabSalam never participated or addressed the points raised (by myself or anyone else), just rolled back the whole edit and then left a passing comment somewhere on the talk page saying "Absolutely disagree with this merge. Two different subjects cant be merged into one section. Also, allegations? Thats unsourced. All reliable scholar sources call them cult, its not an allegations, its a fact." which doesn't address anything that was discussed in that discussion. Is that an appropriate revert? Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Stefka Bulgaria, First of all you need consensus for that disruptive merge. Merging two different subjects together is absolutely unacceptable.
"SharabSalam's also rejected the sources provided on the Qasem Soleimani talk page"
- This proves that you are making a WP:Pointy argument, you even went to Trump's article and said you want to add cult to it. You are comparing apples with oranges here. The MEK's cultish terror behavior is described and discussed in detail in multiple high-quality sources. It's not passing mentions in media outlets.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- This is fairly obviously a content dispute in which both of you have strong feelings. Take your disagreement to the relevant talk page, please. SharabSalam, I would expect you to substantiate that point with reliable sources. Stefka, the strongest reason you have for merging content is redundancy; please substantiate, in detail, the redundancy issue on the talk page. If you can't come to a consensus on the talk page (and I'd be very surprised if you do; I haven't yet seen any of you make any substantive compromise there) please open an RfC, and break down your proposal into parts, so that some of it may reach consensus even if all of it does not. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
WP:INVOLVED MeK
Your WP:INVOLVED comments like
Since Stefka Bulgaria has drawn attention to that section; it is critically important that the "ideology" section only contain material the relevance of which has been established by reliable sources. In other words, sources need to have stated clearly that the details of that marriage are relevant to the "Ideological revolution and women's rights" theme in the MEK's ideology. Otherwise, the content more likely belongs in the biographies of the individuals mentioned.
@Saff V.: If I thought you were uninterested in improving the article, I would have TBANned you. I am warning you (all of you) instead only because I still think you can make worthwhile improvements.
- {{You have not substantiated those objections enough for them to carry weight. If you want them to count for anything, please discuss in detail, with reference to the sources, why the material should not be trimmed. Remember that verifiability does not guarantee inclusion}}
- You should have not closed that RfC. Do you think there isn't any other admin or editor to close that discussion? You know this is a highly controversial topic as this terrorist group that is supported by Americans is responsible for killing millions of innocent people. Your provocative close of that RfC should be the last close of RfCs in that talk page.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)