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RFCs
We're way better at talking then doing.
- NB, have not forgotten about User:Buster7/Incivility, just been busy.
Haitian Earthquake Aid Site
Thanks for contributing to the discussion about links on the Haitian Earthquake site.
This person has just deleted Red Cross links from the site (one of a few who have done this, but this guy is the one doing it now). http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DarkNITE&action=history
Do you know anyone higher up in Wikipedia who can help?
By the way these were links added to the "International Response Section"
Thanks, 69.171.160.153 (talk) 01:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
No battleground, understood
Hello, I can assure you I don't wish to make a battleground where there is none. So I did strike out that part of my comments. Actually I did not incriminate any one person in particular, I wanted to add some context. And also I can assure you that I don't mind if somebody is not agreeing with me, however I do prefer to make sure that people engage in rational discussion point by point on the content rather then blind reverts or continuous personal labeling. Is this reasonable to expect? --HappyInGeneral (talk) 00:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal
After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.
A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;
- gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and
- ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 00:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Abd
Re [1] - note the edit comment: "vote in poll". This is why Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request_for_clarification:_Abd-William_M._Connolley matters. The only arb to comment there is, ironically, agreeing with you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Request_concerning_Abd. Which I think is regrettable because your summary there isn't that clear: the remedy allows participation at XfDs that does not otherwise constitute prohibited behavior. Abd has not engaged in the prohibited behavior. Abd is advised to back off anyway. Abd will, of course, ignore any advice that he doesn't like. He appears to have taken your summary as permission to participate in anything he chooses to call a poll. I'd urge you to take the request for enforcement / clarification rather more seriously William M. Connolley (talk) 08:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Some might call me paranoid, but GoRight's 'invitation' ([2]) on his talk page seems particularly crafted to point to this purported loophole. GoRight definitely didn't want anyone to note that the ongoing discussion was not a vote: [3]. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes! It's all a big plot orchestrated by "those people"! it's a CABAL! Round 'em up!
- Surely Abd is just an innocent harmless lamb that is totally not orchestrating an off-wiki campaign to damage editors in wikipedia: "My involvement with Wikipedia will continue, but off-wiki, and what I write here is not the core of it, this is merely a public place to explore certain issues with possible notice by some influential editors, including arbitrators. Maybe it will do some good, maybe not. (...) My continued task is enabling those who can see to become effective, more efficient. This is what I was doing before Wikipedia, and my editing WP actually inhibited it, by taking up so much time. That's gone now. I'll put some effort into organizing the off-wiki structures that are needed to be able to shift the status quo; it will either be picked up by others or not. It's the same everywhere. You scatter seeds, you know not which ones will germinate (bolded in the original)."(posted in September 2009), and then on the new thread that he started to continue the discussion: "We are gradually getting rid of those jerks, they have certainly lost much of their power over the last year, and I played a role in that. (...) Unlike too many editors here (in Wikipedia Review), I don't whine about Wikipedia, I do something about it. And I've been effective, so effective that I'm now banned by ArbComm from commenting on any dispute where I'm not an "originating party." (posted 6 days ago). Again, who is the one who is trying to suppress editors with a certain POV? --Enric Naval (talk) 15:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Tnkai, it seems that your Talk page is being used to make charges against me. I'll respond to just one. Once upon a time, I did act to identify certain abusive sock puppets, but, beyond that, I have not attempted to "suppress" any editor. My intention and action is always to seek broad consensus, which requires discussion, so I run into problems with those who don't like to discuss issues that they personally consider resolved, but rather consistently act to ban editors who question their preferred status quo. Enric Naval has done this, literally, many times, filing AN or AN/I reports asking for bans, arguing tendentiously for them, etc., as well as tendentiously arguing for his POV. I have not pursued him nor have I sought to "restrict" him in any way. Nor would what I'm setting up act to do that. However, if he were to continue as he has, the community might decide differently from me.
- Enric Naval has, above, brought comment from Wikipedia Review onto Wikipedia, comments abstracted from the context in which they were made. WR is not Wikipedia, it's a place where "jerk" is a mild term, and, in this case, "we are gradually getting rid of those jerks" was a reference to the action of the community, not "me and my friends." I certainly have no power of my own to get rid of anyone and, further, it does not refer at all to blocks or bans, but to the removal, loss, or resignation of administrative privileges by those wont to abuse them. And I could indeed document this, but it's not necessary to justify an off-hand comment on Wikipedia Review!
- If you have any questions about my comments quoted above, or anything, I'll be happy to answer them, on my Talk page or here, if I notice response here. You did comment on my Talk that you thought my AN comment was over the line. Because of my long-term involvement with the issues, I believed that it was important for me to comment, and whatever that report was intended as, it had become a poll and it did not even occur to me that it would not be considered one. Otherwise, the matter itself I considered important enough that, had I thought it not a poll, I'd have asked ArbComm for permission to comment. So, what's one small comment on AN vs disturbing and taking the time of the entire Arbitration Committee? ArbComm is welcome to tighten its definitions, but I'd suggest, of course, that it would be better to look for actual disruption rather than mere debatable "violations." There hasn't been one example; rather, all major disruption has come from editors, often with no involvement at all with the immediate topic, but only historical conflict with me, trying to get me sanctioned further.
- It is not my intention to engage in protracted debate on any topic, except possible on my Talk page, and I apologize for this intrusion, you are welcome to remove this comment or let it sit or whatever, your response is not required. --Abd (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Surely Abd is just an innocent harmless lamb that is totally not orchestrating an off-wiki campaign to damage editors in wikipedia: "My involvement with Wikipedia will continue, but off-wiki, and what I write here is not the core of it, this is merely a public place to explore certain issues with possible notice by some influential editors, including arbitrators. Maybe it will do some good, maybe not. (...) My continued task is enabling those who can see to become effective, more efficient. This is what I was doing before Wikipedia, and my editing WP actually inhibited it, by taking up so much time. That's gone now. I'll put some effort into organizing the off-wiki structures that are needed to be able to shift the status quo; it will either be picked up by others or not. It's the same everywhere. You scatter seeds, you know not which ones will germinate (bolded in the original)."(posted in September 2009), and then on the new thread that he started to continue the discussion: "We are gradually getting rid of those jerks, they have certainly lost much of their power over the last year, and I played a role in that. (...) Unlike too many editors here (in Wikipedia Review), I don't whine about Wikipedia, I do something about it. And I've been effective, so effective that I'm now banned by ArbComm from commenting on any dispute where I'm not an "originating party." (posted 6 days ago). Again, who is the one who is trying to suppress editors with a certain POV? --Enric Naval (talk) 15:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Abd, remember, you banned me from your talk page, I can't reply there.
Anyways, see "I have advised PCarbonn that the most useful outcome of the AN report, politically, will be that his topic ban is renewed by a set of involved editors, providing him with a ready-made RfAr. (...) and a new RfAr on this would likely focus on cabal behavior (probably without that prohibited word), which has only survived because of the common WP inattention. (...)" (posted 11 days ago). The post continues by explaining the behaviour of WMC and of myself. Please make a long post with beautiful words explaining how this was not an off-wiki effort to get rid of WMC and me. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- This is Tznkai Talk. If Tznkai asks me to respond, I will. If not, not. My comment above inviting questions was to him, not Enric. I apologise for any unclarity, and I thank Enric for bringing my comments here, something I could not do without his cooperation. On the other hand, is this worth the time and space this takes? Tznkai's call. --Abd (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)