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== Persecution of Hindus discussion == |
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Hi TrangaBellam, welcome to Wikipedia. At [[Talk:Persecution of Hindus]], you are referring to citations by numbers. Without knowing which revision of the article you are speaking of, those numbers don't have any meaning. Can you go to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&action=history history] page, pick out the revision that you are commenting on, and add a link to that revision at the top of the discussion? Thanks. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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: I am sorry. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 10:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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: {{ping|Kautilya3}} Done. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 10:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:: {{ping|Kautilya3}} Do you plan to respond? Not sure how to proceed since two editors asked me to get consensus (by reversing my edits) via edit summaries but have not made any objections known over the talk-page. Joshua and Regents seem to be supportive, though. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:13, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::: Not really. It is not my page. Like you, I am also waiting for the other side to come back with a response. |
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::: In general, I think some discussion is warranted regarding the Delhi Sultanate etc. it can't be removed entirely. There are issues like ''jizya'', the prohibition of temple construction (even if it wasn't rigidly enforced) etc. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 18:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: I agree completely and will prepare a rewrite. However, I do not find anything minimally salvageable from the current mess. Wait for a couple days or so? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 18:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* TB, may I request you to kindly use your [[User:TrangaBellam/sandbox]] to draft the comment and only post on the talk page once you are done with corrections. As you can [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus&curid=1669311&action=history see here] the talk page history is full of your name. It keeps coming on my watchlist. Hope you will understand. --[[User:Walrus Ji|Walrus Ji]] ([[User talk:Walrus Ji|talk]]) 11:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:*Ok. Sorry. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 11:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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== Please add reference sections == |
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If you add a reference to an unreferenced article, you need to add a Reference section and put a Reflist template in it. - [[User:Mnnlaxer|Mnnlaxer]] | [[User talk:Mnnlaxer|<span style="font-weight:normal">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mnnlaxer|stalk]] 16:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Ty. Seems same like notelist. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Battle of Talikota == |
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TrangaBellam, I have explained my edits on the page in a new section of the talk page of the article, [[Talk:Battle of Talikota#Clarification of edits|here]]. I hope it clarifies your doubts. If you still have any issues, we can discuss it there; I request that you do not revert before that. [[Special:Contributions/183.83.147.136|183.83.147.136]] ([[User talk:183.83.147.136|talk]]) 08:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== February 2021 == |
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[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to [[:Priya Ramani]], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your [[User:TrangaBellam/sandbox|sandbox]] for that. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-delete2 --> [[User:Beccaynr|Beccaynr]] ([[User talk:Beccaynr|talk]]) 20:29, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Kautilya3}} can you help out? This user is not replying to talk-page messages, copying quotes from all sources and reverting me as a vandal, when reverted. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::That is because you forgot to tag the editor :-) And once you see that your content is being reverted it is better to pause before undoing the revert. [[User:Vincentvikram|Vikram]] 20:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::: Also, you can't revert edits in quick succession and expect something to happen. You may need to give warning messages and write on their user talk pages for them to take notice. If you need to get more editors invoved, please use [[WT:INDIA]]. [[WP:CANVASSING]] editors like you did to me, won't help because the other editors won't generally listen to a canvassed editor. And we can't edit the main page in any case, having been cavassed. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 21:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Priya Ramani]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|the bold, revert, discuss cycle]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. |
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'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''—especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Vincentvikram|Vikram]] 20:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::My suggestion is to close the 3RR complaint and discuss. [[User:Vincentvikram|Vikram]] 21:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I read about canvassing now, okay. Sorry. I know about the notice board. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 21:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::I am closing the complaint. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 21:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Cool! Thanks :-) BTW it might be better to make small changes to content rather than large ones. This way there is adequate scope for productive engagement. [[User:Vincentvikram|Vikram]] 05:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Apologies == |
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Sorry about that revert and warning. I had not fully caffeinated, and got your edit mixed up with that of Pakistan4ever. [[User:Possibly|Possibly]] ([[User talk:Possibly|talk]]) 19:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. No worries. Mistakes happen. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:07, 26 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Draft:Audrey Truschke|Audrey Truschke]] moved to draftspace == |
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An article you recently created, [[Draft:Audrey Truschke|Audrey Truschke]], is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent sources]]. <small>([[WP:42|?]])</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed ([[WP:V|verifiability]] is of [[WP:5|central importance]] on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to [[Wikipedia:Draftspace|draftspace]] (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]] and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. [[User:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b>]][[User Talk:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b>]] 07:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{U|HitroMilanese}}, I will be moving the article back. Why did you delete it without discussion? If you believe the article do not pass our notable policies, convince the community in an deletion discussion. Which information was unsourced? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 07:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:NAUTHOR]], [[WP:NPROF]] [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 07:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::Hi there, the article is moved to draftspace so that you may demonstrate notability per [[WP:NAUTHOR]] or [[WP:NPROF]]. The current version is not suitable for mainspace as notability has not been demonstrated. Draftspace gives you opportunity to improve the article, but if you move it back to mainspace then I will have to take it to AfD where it is likely to be deleted. Thanks. [[User:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b>]][[User Talk:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b>]] 07:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:HitroMilanese]] if you wish, take it to AfD. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::::I guess you don't understand how Wikipedia works. There is difference between draftifying and deletion. The purpose of draftifying the articles is making them suitable for mainspace after required improvements. You improved a one-liner unsuitable stub within 58 minutes of draftifying. Great. See [[WP:NPPDRAFT]]. If it meant for AfD, I would have taken it on sight. [[User:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b>]][[User Talk:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b>]] 09:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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TrangaBellam, {{U|HitroMilanese}} is a [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers|new page reviewer]], and as such they would be experienced in deciding whether new pages qualify. Edit warring with them would not be a good practice. Rather, find out what is needed to make it a viable page and see if you can make it so. Is the author notable for anything other than the one book we are aware of? -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 15:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Kautilya3]], I did not edit war and I am prepared to defend it at a deletion discussion. Have you checked the article? She has '''''two''''' works with multiple reviews. And, she won the John F. Richards Prize in South Asian History by AHA, a very reputed body. Also, her work on Aurangzeb is the poorest. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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==Things to watch== |
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*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Hindu+Holocaust%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1&ns0=1 |
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*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Hindu+Genocide%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1&ns0=1 |
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*Stop receiving emails every-time I am pinged or thanked. |
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:: {{tps}} See Preferences --> Notifications. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 01:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::thanks, kautilya3. solved! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks anyway for adding all this excellent content about the pre-Muslim dynasties of Kashmir, which were in great need of such attention. I didn't even suspect there was so much about them. That's great! <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<font color="green">पाटलिपुत्र</font>]][[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<font color="blue"> Pat</font>]]</span> [[User talk:पाटलिपुत्र|'''(talk)''']] 05:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC) |
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: That is nice. Congratulations TrangaBellam! -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 09:19, 13 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thank you! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC) |
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==Rewrites== |
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*[[Symptoms of COVID-19]] |
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*[[Template:rp]] [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== Sylheti language == |
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Please do not revert without discussing this. [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 17:37, 8 June 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Soibam Rebika Devi]] == |
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I declined the prod. It's best to take this one to AFD for deletion input from the wider community. Best.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 14:54, 20 June 2021 (UTC) |
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== For your reading pleasure == |
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Comes with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akhand_Bharat&curid=1108803&diff=1030091327&oldid=1029885380 cute edit summary as well]. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 22:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:LOL. [[Quora]] would have appreciated his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akhand_Bharat&diff=prev&oldid=1029661402 efforts] better. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC) |
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==[[WP:DEPROD|Deprodding]] of [[:Turkmenportal]]== |
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I have removed the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} tag from [[:Turkmenportal]], which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{Tlc|proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks!<!-- [[Template:Deprod]] -->--<span style="color:#150160">'''[[user:Tautomers|Tautomers]]'''</span><sub>([[User talk:Tautomers|T]] [[Special:Contributions/Tautomers|C]])</sub> 04:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC) |
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== Welcome == |
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<s>redacted ds-alert message as I did not realize it was given before</s>. [[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] ([[User talk:LukeEmily|talk]]) 03:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:I have been notified [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TrangaBellam&diff=1007062282&oldid=1001112369&diffmode=visual less] than a year ago. [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Alerts|The relevant policy]] notes, {{tq|Editors issuing alerts are expected to ensure that no editor receives more than one alert per area of conflict per year. Any editor who issues alerts disruptively may be sanctioned.}} Please be cautious. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::Sorry, I missed it. I have redacted the alert.[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] ([[User talk:LukeEmily|talk]]) 11:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Bhonsale - warning - deletion of sources and quotes == |
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=Warning icon]] Please stop your [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]]. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at [[:Bhonsale]], you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. <!-- Template:uw-delete3 -->.[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] ([[User talk:LukeEmily|talk]]) 15:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Rathore deletion of sourced content == |
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:{{re|LukeEmily}} If I see you abusing templates once again, I will be asking for a topic-ban. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::Go ahead please, ask for a topic ban on me right now. You have been abusing caste pages and several users have been warning you. I will be asking for a topic ban shortly and will be reporting you to admins. Intentional deletion of sourced content is not acceptable.[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] ([[User talk:LukeEmily|talk]]) 15:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== OUP == |
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FYI: [[Wikipedia_talk:The_Wikipedia_Library#Oxford_bibliographies]]. –[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 09:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Thanks for the barnstar! == |
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Glad you found the discussion amusing. [[User:Tewdar|Tewdar]] ([[User talk:Tewdar|talk]]) 20:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Notification of discretionary sanctions concerning COVID-19 == |
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:Your edits/content removal from [[ZyCoV-D]] are clearly covered by discretionary sanctions concerning COVID-19. They are not a part of [[WP:NOTNEWS]] here. They are compiled as per recommended structure followed for [[COVID-19 vaccines]] articles. [[User:Run n Fly|Run n Fly]] ([[User talk:Run n Fly|talk]]) 10:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== July 2021 == |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:ZyCoV-D]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|the bold, revert, discuss cycle]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. |
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'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''—especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Run n Fly|Run n Fly]] ([[User talk:Run n Fly|talk]]) 11:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:Have been here longer than you are. Please go a bit slow. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 11:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|TrangaBellam}}, I have been working on [[WP:COVID-19]] since the beginning of my account. I am aware of [[WP:MEDRS]] and others. Also, see [[WP:SENIORITY]]. I will not add anything and wait for others to respond. Thank you. [[User:Run n Fly|Run n Fly]] ([[User talk:Run n Fly|talk]]) 12:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Happy 1st year anniversary == |
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*[[Fronda]] |
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===To Read=== |
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* [https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=1005281 THE EVOLUTION OF ANTLER AND BONE CHEEKPIECES FROM THE BALKAN-CARPATHIAN REGION TO CENTRAL KAZAKHSTAN: CHRONOLOGY OF “CHARIOT” CULTURES AND MYCENAEAN GREECE] |
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* Politics, gender, and the Islamic past: The Legacy of ʻAʼisha bint Abi Bakr |
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== The Wire (India) == |
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You have reverted my edit in death section of Photojournalist Danish Siddiqui without giving the reason I have also provided the source of my edit. Thanks [[User:Bharat0078|Bharat0078]] ([[User talk:Bharat0078|talk]]) 14:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== RX request -- An Indian Magazine == |
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Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#An_Indian_Magazine your request] at [[WP:RX]], you can check [http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/mainpage.jsp?CategoryID=2&Searched=The+Illustrated+Weekly+of+India&typebox=1 this link], the website of Punjab Digital Library. They have scanned some volumes of ''The Illustrated Weekly of India''. I haven't checked if the volume you have requested is available there. Regards. --[[User:Gazal world|Gazal world]] ([[User talk:Gazal world|talk]]) 18:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Hallow == |
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Are you aware of the social system of Bengal? [[User:অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা|অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা]] ([[User talk:অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা|talk]]) 06:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:Your name appears a series of boxes. I am aware to a certain extent, having read some secondary sources. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC) |
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=== Mr. === |
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Stop kayastha propaganda, maintain neutrality [[User:অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা|অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা]] ([[User talk:অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা|talk]]) 10:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা}}, Ok. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Baidya article == |
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Your sources are very hard to verify.In caste article why you are editing using those sources??? [[User:Safron710|Safron710]] ([[User talk:Safron710|talk]]) 19:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello{{u|TrangaBellam|}} multiculturalism is the book, you gave aproval in the 'Dispute' Section of talk page. Thanks. [[User:Abhishek Sengupta 24|Abhishek Sengupta 24]] ([[User talk:Abhishek Sengupta 24|talk]]) 16:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC) |
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See [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Baidya#Dispute here] [[User:Abhishek Sengupta 24|Abhishek Sengupta 24]] ([[User talk:Abhishek Sengupta 24|talk]]) 16:41, 27 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Raj's verson |
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Saumyajit Ray in his book mentions that, "There are semi-Brahmin castes like Bhumihars (in Bihar and U.P) and Vaidyas (in west Bengal) who, like Brahmins, have access to the scriptures, the sacred thread, and the right to use the 'Sharma' caste surname.But neither Bhumihars nor Vaidyas have the right to conduct public Divine Service".[[User:Abhishek Sengupta 24|Abhishek Sengupta 24]] ([[User talk:Abhishek Sengupta 24|talk]]) 17:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC) |
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==July 2021== |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you violate Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research policy]] by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at [[:Danish Siddiqui]]. '' No source mentions that "BJP supporters reveled his death and called it karma".''<!-- Template:uw-nor4 --> [[User:KyloRen3|<span style="background:#4b5320; color:white; font-family:Stencil; border-radius:15px; padding:2px;"> Kylo Ren III </span>]] ([[User talk:KyloRen3|talk ☎️]]) 10:31, 31 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|KyloRen3}}, please refrain from abusing warning or blocking templates. The source was cited '''right after''' the line and I have quoted from the source at [[Talk:Danish_Siddiqui#Modi|talk-page]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::Sorry about that, thanks for clarifying. [[User:KyloRen3|<span style="background:#4b5320; color:white; font-family:Stencil; border-radius:15px; padding:2px;"> Kylo Ren III </span>]] ([[User talk:KyloRen3|talk ☎️]]) 12:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Bats in Wuhan Lab == |
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Hello{{u|TrangaBellam|}}, please explain your revert of my edit on [[Investigations into the origin of COVID-19]]. Thanks! [[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 13:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Pakbelang}}, I will write a note at the talk-page, later. Check the archives - this has been probably discussed. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 13:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|TrangaBellam|}}, thanks. I look forward to it and will respond there if needed. Cheers! --[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 13:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::cc:{{U|shibbolethink}} [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|TrangaBellam|}}, I've gone through the talk archives and I did find some inconclusive discussion of this topic w.r.t. DRASTIC a few weeks back. The article in The Australian that I cite was not mentioned at that time. I note that you added a citation to that same article on the [[DRASTIC]] page, which seems appropriate. Since you seem to have no specific issue with the wording or the source, would you please restore my edits? Cheers! --[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 15:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::::I assume this is regarding this wiki-voice claim? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Investigations_into_the_origin_of_COVID-19&diff=1037093542&oldid=1037093173] |
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::::{{u|Pakbelang}}, an important thing to note about RSes: We must cite the original source, not the piped through source when something is syndicated or rebroadcast without any editorial reinterpretation or re-authorship. See [[WP:NEWSORG]]. In this case, the original source is actually Sherri Markson on ''Sky News'' [https://www.foxnews.com/media/live-bats-wuhan-lab-not-conspiracy-fact-sky-news-australia-journalist][https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/sharri-markson-has-uncovered-the-greatest-scientific-scandal-of-all-time-canavan/676296657037419/] [https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-lab-video-shows-bats-cages-speculation-covid19-pandemic-origins-1600748], not ''The Australian''. For each use of a source like this (TV talk show), we must determine the reliability of the journalist and the accuracy of her reporting re: this topic. Is she an expert on this topic? Does she have a track record of high quality reporting on it? What do other say? The answer is that [[Sharri_Markson#COVID-19_reporting|she is highly partisan and unreliable]], having repeated demonstrated falsehoods on more than one occasion: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/sharri-markson-exclusive-on-chinese-bioweapons-based-on-discredited-2015-book-of-conspiracy-theories] [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/14/covid-origins-australias-role-in-the-feedback-loop-promoting-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory] [https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/08/sharri-marksons-coronavirus-bombshell-impresses-foxs-tucker-carlson] [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-26/china-coronavirus-dossier-came-out-of-us-state-department/12282994] [https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-concern-over-us-spreading-unfounded-claims-about-wuhan-lab-20200506-p54qhp.html]. |
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::::The next question we must ask, is what claim is this source supporting? It's relatively uncontroversial that there was once, several years ago, a small BSL2 bat colony at the WIV (all bat colonies would be ''at least'' BSL2 because we know these animals are wild and often carry BSL2 pathogens, for the same reason monkey colonies are kept at BSL2). There is a primary source demonstrating that a 12 animal colony existed in 2015 (relatively small by bat colony standards):[https://archive.is/iVtzW#selection-2481.20-2516.0] |
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::::However, if the claim is, as in this revert, that this bat colony should be the focus of investigations for how the virus got into humans, that is a very different claim. Especially since it is a wiki-voice claim, not an attributed one. There are several claims wrapped up in there. By saying this is a potential source of infection, we are also saying that the PPE was not appropriate, that the laboratory was not appropriately screening its employees, that they were not reporting transmission-risk events, etc. etc. |
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::::We would also be saying that this content is DUE for the article (i.e. that the sum total of reliable sources covering investigations also mention in a substantial way the existence of a bat colony). To my reviewing of the literature, that is not true. Only unreliable tabloid sources or repeated syndicated sources of the same say this. |
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::::As an analogy, we don't use the fact that the Zoo in Wuhan had bats/cats/mustelids to support the claim that zoos may be the source of the outbreak, even though all of those animals can carry SARS-CoV-2. We do not say that the birds at the [[Hangzhou Zoo]] in [[Zhenjiang]] may be the source of the recent [[H10N3]] case in that area. |
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::::I believe this fails on both counts. We cannot simply repeat the claims of a TV talk show host who is described as unreliable about this topic by several of our most trusted sources. We cannot use those claims to source content that is UNDUE for inclusion, and which extremely few, if any of our reliable sources even mention. --[[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 19:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{u|Shibbolethink}} Thanks for the detailed reply. All solid points. I will reword the edit and find a better source.[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 01:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{u|TrangaBellam|}} {{u|Shibbolethink}} I have reworded the edit, noting the presence of the bats in the lab but stating that reliable sources report that a lab leak was "extremely unlikely".[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 02:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== August 2021 == |
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:{{u|LearnIndology}}, do you wish a trip to [[WP:AE]]? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== "Ror dynasty" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] == |
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Ror dynasty]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 19#Ror dynasty]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 21:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Map needed == |
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Thank you for your response [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFowler%26fowler&type=revision&diff=1038444770&oldid=1038435371 here]. I somehow missed it. |
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I can find maps from 1907 in Wikipedia. Are the 1931 maps available here as well? I can see the maps in the UChicago website, but are they available here? |
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[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 12:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== [[Talk:Pravarasena II/GA1]] == |
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TrangaBellam, your review of this GA nomination is waiting for you to take the next step. Please stop by at your earliest opportunity to continue/conclude your review there. |
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I have also pinged you on your other GA review, [[Talk:Vellar River (Northern Tamil Nadu)/GA1]], which has been open for just about two months without any response from the nominator and appears to have been abandoned by them—they haven't edited Wikipedia since before you opened your review. It should probably be closed as unsuccessful, either right away or by the end of August. Thank you very much, and thank you for your work reviewing GANs. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 19:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:TrangaBellam, it's been another three weeks, and you have yet to do anything about [[Talk:Vellar River (Northern Tamil Nadu)/GA1]] even though you've been active elsewhere on Wikipedia. If you don't return to it in the next seven days, I'll have to assume you're no longer interested, and take action myself. Thank you for giving this your attention. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 00:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{u|BlueMoonset}}, I was waiting for the nominator to reply. But that we don't have any, I will now mark it as failed. I apologize for any issues caused by this delay. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC) |
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==Edit warring notice for [[Sati (practice)]]== |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Sati (practice)]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|the bold, revert, discuss cycle]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. |
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'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''—especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.{{Break}}I invited you to the talk page to ask what your dispute is but you ignored and instead engaged in an edit war. I added modern, reliable references and removed the long quote and one unreferenced but neutral, verifiable sentence. If you continue this, both you and [[User:Fowler&fowler]] to the Admin Noticeboard; he will be reported for personal attacks and threats in edit summaries. Instead, I encourage you to engage in constructive discussions on how to improve the page. Cease blind, unexplained reverts immediately.--[[User:Trickipaedia|Trickipaedia]] ([[User talk:Trickipaedia|talk]]) 17:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> |
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:[[WP:CIR]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== BLP violation == |
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[[User:TrangaBellam]] is threatening to block and harassing me. I will request that you be blocked for WP:LIBEL and WP:BLP. And spreading biased opinions and racism. You spread hatred by only relying on cherry-picked sources. |
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Here is the reliable resources. You can easily reach out to Twitter too. |
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[[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]] Chopra said that after this tweet, Twitter had initially locked @IndiaExplained, asking him to delete the tweet. “I deleted it only to access the IndiaExplained account to make a statement to my (nearly) 70,000 followers about Twitter’s hypocrisy and double standards,” Chopra said. This is from your favorite news source https://theprint.in/india/modi-critic-indiaexplained-claims-twitter-account-suspended-for-tweet-taking-on-pm/335541/ |
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South Asia Scholar Activist Collective . Simran Jeet Singh Has members from https://www.sikhcoalition.org/. This is a private NGO. Please let me know what a private NGO is doing being part of an academic group? Reliable source here: https://goachronicle.com/george-soross-open-society-foundation-and-sikh-coalition-are-joined-at-the-hip/ |
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[[User:Hrishirise|Hrishirise]] ([[User talk:Hrishirise|talk]]) 23:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:<small>Moved from [[User:TrangaBellam]] by — [[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 23:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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== Your recent revert on Audrey Truschke == |
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Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Audrey_Truschke&diff=1041731170&oldid=1041703025 this], I didn't get why you don't want the dead links to be removed. Is that because you're working on those drafts that'll be published soon, so you'll setup redirects? Or if there is a specific reason, let me know. —[[User:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:papyrus;">Wiki Linuz</span>]] ([[User_talk:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:Trattatello;">Ping me!</span>]]) 05:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{red|Red}} link. Not a {{tq|dead}} link. |
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:[[WP:REDYES]]. Generally, it is unwise to remove red links unless you are certain that the article will fail [[WP:N]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 05:37, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks —[[User:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:papyrus;">Wiki Linuz</span>]] ([[User_talk:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:Trattatello;">Ping me!</span>]]) 05:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Requesting some article expansion help == |
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Greetings, |
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Requesting your visit to [[Draft:Aurats (word)]] & [[Islamic advice literature]] and help expand the articles of topics interest you. |
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Thanks and warm regards |
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[[User:Bookku| Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge']] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 10:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Not interested. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Reza Goodary == |
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Dear '''[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]]''', [[Draft:Mohammad Reza Goodary|Reza Goodary]]'s article has credible sources approved by [[Wikipedia:News_sources/Asia#Iran|WP:News sources]]. Unfortunately, the article was not confirmed by one of the users yesterday. Please kindly help for approve. |
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[http://www.irna.ir/news/84454698/ (1)], [http://www.irna.ir/news/84455893/ (2)], [https://www.iribnews.ir/00DSMD (3)], [https://www.ilna.news/fa/tiny/news-1126280 (4)]. [[IRIB]], [[IRNA]], [[ILNA]] are in the list. Also [[IPNA]] is Iran Pro Sport News Agency [https://www.ipna.ir/?p=186622 (5)] and BORNA News Agency <small>(Reputable news agency affiliated with the Ministry of Sports of Iran)</small> [https://www.borna.news/fa/tiny/news-1227083 (6)]. Also It is news from official website of Ministry of Sport Iran [https://news.msy.gov.ir/news/2163536.htm (7)] <small>(Link open only in Iran)</small>. |
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The Reza Goodary ([https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/رضا_گودری رضا گودری]) article already approved on The [[Persian Wikipedia]]. |
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Sincerely. [[User:MMA Kid|MMA Kid]] ([[User talk:MMA Kid|talk]]) 04:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:I will take a look. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. [[User:MMA Kid|MMA Kid]] ([[User talk:MMA Kid|talk]]) 02:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== The malicious deliberation of your edits on Raja Pratapaditya == |
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I did not give any unreliable sources, sources like dinesh chandra sen , rama ram basu, jadunath sarkar are reputed sources. They went through the scrutiny of reputed academic institutions and hence selective quoting and deliberate obsecure edits on particular pages are unethical from the point of view of ethics regarding maintaining neutrality. I have my sources which are of reputed books and authors but deliberately ou have left a page underinformed because of your own biases. No body should deliberately edit a page, different point of views of reputed historians should be taken into account which you have not.I would request a topic ban on your account if these deliberations continue from your side.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samx don|Samx don]] ([[User talk:Samx don#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samx don|contribs]]) </span> |
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:{{U|Yamaguchi先生}}, is this a sock? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:: It may be. If you have any behavioral evidence to consider, would you please consider submitting a formal report at [[WP:SPI]] for CheckUser assistance? It is striking that this account had been inactive for 5 months, then reactivated and began editing the [[Pratapaditya]] article immediately after it had been protected and several accounts had been blocked for disruption and/or socking. Regards, [[User:Yamaguchi先生|Yamaguchi先生]] ([[User talk:Yamaguchi先生|talk]]) 21:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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[[User:Yamaguchi先生|Yamaguchi先生]] ([[User talk:Yamaguchi先生|talk]])Dear yamaguchi , I am do not possess any alternate accounts neither I ahve been socked even once . I have made edits about people of different leanings and individual frameworks and I am not interested in deliberations when we are giving proper source as a new editor disrupting that is a falacy. given from both of your side neutrality on this particular article is not on display.regards sam.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samx don|Samx don]] ([[User talk:Samx don#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samx don|contribs]]) </span> |
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[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] The neutrality policy of wikipedia is not maintained by your edits where you engaged on an edit war for days . I edited with references of artiles on reputed websites, government websites of west Bengal , The page was still reverted back by yourself .This could result in a topic ban on your account as you have chosen to edit a page according to your needs without providing citations from different reliable sources which have different opinions .<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samx don|Samx don]] ([[User talk:Samx don#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samx don|contribs]]) </span> |
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::You have probably missed that Kuru reverted your edits. Government websites are not reliable sources for history. You can raise a proposal to TBan me at [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:AE]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC) |
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[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]])That I have clarified to Kuru. You are forgettful of your continious edit war that you did for the last few days . The governemnt website concerned is asigned to maintain localized history of the people of the concerned istrict which is reliable and this institution is maintained by proffesionals and offcers at public service . There are many authentic sources which you have refused to cite which come from many ethnic and regional background.Third you have deliberately reduced a page to mere trivias , which is unjust and against the policy of neutrality and reliable souces as you have not cited much and have selectively quoted.regards <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samx don|Samx don]] ([[User talk:Samx don#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samx don|contribs]]) </span> |
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== Conversion of Jain basadis into hibdu temples == |
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You idiots why did edit [[User:Dridhaprahara|Dridhaprahara]] ([[User talk:Dridhaprahara|talk]]) 16:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Thank you == |
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Dear Tranga, |
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Thanks for the redirect that article seemed to be just a copy and paste pov for and unnecessary. Thanks again and take care. [[User:PremijAnans|PremijAnans]] ([[User talk:PremijAnans|talk]]) 07:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== WP:AE sectioning == |
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Hi TrangaBellam! You should probably move your comment at [[WP:AE]] out of the results section and into a new ''Statement by TrangaBellam'' section. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]]) 16:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Oh, okay. I was just using the Wikipedia reply button. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Vandal on Page == |
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Hello TrangaBellam - Once of the user is vandalizing [Third Battle of Panipat page]. His name is Noorullah21. He removed below content: |
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Multiple issues|POV|date=August 2021 and Unreliable sources|date=August 2021 which you added on the page. Also he added unsourced information such as Supported by Jats in the infobox and also added some Amb state which is unsourced as well. Can you take a look and revert these vandalism? [[Special:Contributions/199.82.243.96|199.82.243.96]] ([[User talk:199.82.243.96|talk]]) 11:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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: I have reported his Edit warring [[Special:Contributions/199.82.243.96|199.82.243.96]] ([[User talk:199.82.243.96|talk]]) 11:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Rollback granted == |
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[[Image:Wikipedia Rollbacker.svg|right|130px]] |
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Hi TrangaBellam, |
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After reviewing your request, I have added your account to the [[WP:Rollback|rollback]] group. Keep in mind these things when using rollback: |
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*Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing [[WP:TW|Twinkle]]. |
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*Users should be informed (or [[WP:UWARN|warned]]) after their edits have been reverted. If warnings repeatedly don't help, [[WP:ANI]] is the default place to go. In cases of very clear ongoing intentional damage to the encyclopedia, [[WP:AIV]] can be used. |
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*Reverting someone's edits may confuse or upset them. Whenever other users message you on your talk page, please take the time to respond to their concerns; accountability is important. For most users who message you, the tone and quality of your answer will permanently influence their opinion about Wikipedia in general. |
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*Because the plain default rollback link does not provide any explanatory edit summary, it [[WP:ROLLBACKUSE|must not be used]] to revert good faith contributions, even if these contributions are [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptive]]. Take the time to write a proper summary whenever you're dealing with a lack of neutrality or verifiability; a short explanation like "<code><nowiki>[[WP:NPOV|not neutral]]</nowiki></code>" or "<code><nowiki>[[WP:INTREF|Please provide a citation]]</nowiki></code>" is helpful. |
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*Rollback may never be used to [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]], which you'll notice to be surprisingly tempting in genuine content disputes. Please especially keep the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]] in mind. If you see others edit warring, please file a report at [[WP:ANEW]]. The most helpful essay I've ever seen is [[WP:DISCFAIL]]; it is especially important for those who review content regularly. |
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*If you encounter private information or threats of physical harm during your patrols, please quickly use [[Special:EmailUser/Oversight]] or [[Special:EmailUser/Emergency]]; ideally bookmark these pages now. See [[WP:OS]] and [[WP:EMERGENCY]] for details. If you're regularly patrolling recent changes, you <em>will</em> need both contacts sooner or later, and you'll be happy about the bookmarks. |
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*Use common sense. |
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To try rollback for the first time, you may like to make an edit to [[WP:Sandbox]], and another one, and another one, and then revert the row with one click. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:ToBeFree|my talk page]] if you run into trouble or have any questions about rollback. Thank you for your time and work in cleaning up Wikipedia. Happy editing!<!-- "User:ToBeFree/rollbackgiven", loosely based on "Template:Rollback granted 3" --> |
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Best regards,<br>[[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 17:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Re: the orders in the mosque dispute == |
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Sorry for taking so long to respond. The answer is that, no, I can't actually provide you with those orders; they aren't clickable links in Newsbank, just text, so I have no idea what the URLs actually are. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—[[User:Compassionate727|Compassionate727]] <sup>([[User talk:Compassionate727|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Compassionate727|C]])</sup></span> 14:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Compassionate727}}, thanks. Nothing to apologize for! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 22:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Disrespectful comment == |
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Your comment in the talk page of the article chhatri "India has its fair share in historically illiterate people" feels kind of disrespectful to me and is basically off topic and you may be get blocked for that. I am not reporting you for now (to be honest I don't know how to report someone I am new here). [[User:Piedpiper186|Piedpiper186]] ([[User talk:Piedpiper186|talk]]) 22:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:That is a fact for any of the 193 member-states of UNO (aka countries) — India or Turkmenistan or Netherlands. {{U|Piedpiper186|You}} can try reporting me at [[WP:ANI]] or [[WP:AE]], thanks. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 22:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:<small>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Piedpiper186&diff=1045973109&oldid=1045875554 I am a historian myself] - {{em|There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.}}</small> |
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== Bengali Brahmin == |
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Why have you removed traditional accounts from the Bengali Brahmin page? How dare you remove sourced references?[[User:Mikemarssss|Mikemarssss]] ([[User talk:Mikemarssss|talk]]) 19:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:HISTRS]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC) |
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নিশ্চয়ই, ধন্যবাদ [[User:Maxwell6666|Maxwell6666]] ([[User talk:Maxwell6666|talk]]) 09:09, 11 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== SPI == |
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It looks like no one informed you about this. [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Faizan]]. --[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 12:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|RegentsPark}}, thanks. |
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:I refuse to believe the strategic omission of the content of certain edits (see my detailed reply) —which demolishes his theories of me being some genocide-apologist pro-Pak POV pusher— arises out of good faith. What do you suggest? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::OPs case is all over the place and I didn't take it seriously. Orientls, who I generaly respect, is, on the other hand, more concerning. I'd suggest focusing on their diffs. I'm a little busy in RL today but will read it in detail perhaps later this afternoon. --[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 17:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|RegentsPark}}, anybody for whom it is {{tq|clear that the [MBlaze Lightning's] evidence is speaking for itself here: the manifest of same POV across the same subgroup of articles that Towns Hill/Faizan was most concerned with}}, is umm... |
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:::: This is unsurprising because Orientls has hardly written any significant content - cat additions, undo, and SPI comments are all that I came across. |
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:::As I said at the SPI, multiple editors including me, SarahWelch, and F&F mention the author name and often page numbers, in edit-sums. That hardly proves anything - even Orientls mentions the page number [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Biharis_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=826133240 as an edit sum]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::[[Talk:Umayyad_campaigns_in_India#Victory|Respectable, quite much]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Perhaps you're right. I took a look at their comments and they don't amount to anything.--[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 18:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:SPI notifications are intentionally not mandatory because they often just cause drama and walls of text arguing in one's self-defence, which is generally not necessary at SPI. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 18:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Aren't Varendra rebellion important enough to have a separate article? == |
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Hello {{u|TrangaBellam}} . The varendra rebellion or kaivarta revolt has been termed as the first successful revolt in India. Scholars and historians who have written history of ancient Bengal and India have surely mentioned it. It was for a long period as a separate article. Why are you deleting it now? Thanks. [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 19:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{tq|The varendra rebellion or kaivarta revolt has been termed as the first successful revolt in India.}} - Cite some scholars? |
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:Why are you deleting it now? - Because, I have written a far better summary at [[Ramacharitam]] which remains the '''only''' source for the event. [[WP:CFORK]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:We have another article (again, drafted by me) on the same locus at [[Dibar Dighi]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::I opened a talk page for discussion on the topic. Why have you not participated and discussed? I have read the "first successful revolt" thing and was going to add sources but the article just vanished before that!! [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 20:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::While I am not able to read Bengali, I am sufficiently acquainted with Indian historiography to know that no reliable historian would deem the event to be {{em|the first successful revolt in India}}. |
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:::If you prove me wrong, do add that at [[Ramacharitam#Analysis|this section]]. TIA. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:13, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Varendra rebellion or Kaivarta revolt is much more well known term than 'Dibar Dighi' and Ramcharitmanas doesn't only describe kaivarta revolt but also Ramayana. It should have separate article . I was improving it with reliable and verifiable sources . You could have just participated . [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 20:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::There is nothing to add, other than what I have already written, because the sole source of the event is Ramacharitmanas. Please propose all improvements at [[Talk:Ramacharitam]]. Thanks, [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::Look I haven't created the article. It was there for a very long time. I was just improving the article with reliable and verifiable sources(You have also used a common source). . But You removed an existing article and enlarged another article. The timing of these things clearly implies a very unfriendly, uncooperative and vindictive attitude. That's maybe unethical in Wikipedia. [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 20:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::I am sorry that you feel so. I had expanded Ramacharitam on June '21 - check the dates carefully, from the page history. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:42, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Yes I have seen that. |
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:::::::: Should I focus on scientific articles then? or Do you write that too? [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 20:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Sure, why not? As long as you don't write articles on statistics or certain aspects of number theory, you won't see me. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::: By the can you understand Bengali? or Are you from other region of India? |
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:::::::: I can assure you there are many articles on Wikipedia on ancient history which have only one ancient source but many historians have written on it and there are contrasting views in spite of that. The apparent reason for that is that they have also referred and analyzed other events of that time to come to different conclusion. Same applies to Varendra rebellion. It is not proper to delete a article which meets the notability criteria and is here for a long time! [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 20:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I am an immigrant but a frequent visitor to India. My languages are displayed at my user page - proficient in Dutch, English, and Sanskrit along with little bit of Farsi and negligible Turkmen. |
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:::::::::Undeniably, multiple historians had written about Varendra Rebellion but they had one primary source material - Ramacharitam. So, varying interpretations of the same text. I have mentioned the most notable interpretations - will add Thapar. |
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:::::::::If you believe that there are other primary sources, point me to them. If you wish to add other content, please propose them. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Ramcharitam also contains Ramayana, you may consider adding them. And if you think there are some [[WP:CFORK]] , please remove them as soon as you have improved one of the article. The timing of these clearly implying a very bad gesture. Thanks. [[User:Dear Debasish|Dear Debasish]] ([[User talk:Dear Debasish|talk]]) 21:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== About navayana page == |
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Hello, |
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I'm writing to you as i just read your article about navayana Buddhism page and i feel it's not completely satisfied and somehow misleading. If it is not written by you please help me to reach with main author thank you 🙏🏻 [[User:Marathisach|Marathisach]] ([[User talk:Marathisach|talk]]) 16:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Marathisach}}, I am not the author. Please post at [[Talk:Navayana]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Warning: no stalking and harassment in wikipedia please == |
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TrangaBellam: Stalking and harassment is not an acceptable practice in wikipedia, per past case reviews. You seem to be stalking me and leaving hostile remarks on article's talk page I am editing. For example, an [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somnath_temple&offset=&limit=500&action=history edit check] suggests that your account has not edited [[Somnath temple]] since about 2016 (over the last 500 edits, well in your case since you opened your account [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=TrangaBellam on 13 July 2020])). I left a message on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Somnath_temple&diff=1038410605&oldid=948505500 Somnath temple talk page] on August 12 2021. On October 1 2021, I started the process of reviewing and expanding that article, a work that is in progress. After your [[Nalanda]] article tag (which I recently updated), you tag Somnath article and leave this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Somnath_temple&oldid=1048028889#Review_and_cleanup inappropriate accusations-filled comment]. FWIW, I remind you that I have found you misrepresenting sources ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus&oldid=1010608766#Thapar_source e.g.]), something Kautilya3 concurred with, and you apologized for. I feel there is problematic pattern in your behavior in wikipedia, your (mis)reading of sources and how you interact with others. This is not helpful. |
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'''I welcome you to constructively collaborate with me, by''' saying "this scholarly source says there are only 7 or 15 or 23 campaigns by Mahmud of Ghazni" and should we revise/update this section?.... that sort of approach would be helpful. I also welcome you to identify peer-reviewed scholarly sources that say something different than what I have added, and I will help you summarize them. But, hostility is neither helpful nor welcome in wikipedia. Please be careful in how you interact with other editors. I request that you stop stalking me and leaving accusation filled, hostile messages such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Somnath_temple&oldid=1048028889#Review_and_cleanup one here]. This is a just the required formal notice of my protest, in case you continue, and if I must press your case through AN / ARCOM procedures. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 00:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:You have a tendency to remove tags without discussions —Wink and Nalanda— and then, take the moral high ground about collaboration. So, I pointed to a discussion where other neutral editors had agreed about your disruption. |
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:I have watchlisted multiple articles on controversial topics which are pet areas of Hindutva POV pushing — that includes Somnatha, Nalanda, and multiple temples/univs. I have rewritten a [[Prahladpuri Temple, Multan|couple of them]]. |
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::If I see some massive changes, I am going to pay attention. |
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:Since we are on the topic of misusing sources, you are yet to [[Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus/Archive_3#Friedmann|provide the quotes]]. |
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:If you believe that you can prove a case of harassment or inappropriate use of sources or anything else, please proceed. Thanks. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Prayagraj == |
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What on earth is meant by the supports are in accordance to Wikipedia, while the opposes are not? |
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This seems pretty one-sided, as if the opposes are Against Wikipedia guidelines.. and which would that be? |
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This is not enough for a closure, this is not specified at all. |
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--[[User:Tecumseh*1301|Tecumseh*1301]] ([[User talk:Tecumseh*1301|talk]]) 19:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{tq|The arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are [based in policy].}} - For some unknown reason, you had understood the exact opposite. I think this is enough for a closure. Quality of arguments and their adherence to policy matters. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::I have no quarrel with how you closed the move discussion. My reason for helping our "friend" with posting a move review is to facilitate smooth running of Wikipedia. His/her intentions are clear, but how to complete the process defeated him/her.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 20:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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==Move review for [[:Allahabad]]== |
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An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Move review#Allahabad|Move review]] of [[:Allahabad]]. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:MCRNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> Our "friend" failed in his/her efforts to post a review request, and seemed to be asking for help at [[Wikipedia talk:Move review#Prayagraj]].<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 20:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::I think there some typographical errors in your post at [[Wikipedia:Move review#Allahabad]]. |
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::#You wrote: "The first two ''opposes'' by JayPlaysSTuff and Glennzzl invokes a move-precedent". Surely ''supports''. |
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::#You wrote: "Vajra Raja's ''oppose'' might be a valid pov". Surely ''support''. |
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::It might be a good idea to fix these - especially as there is a possibility that this text might get moved into the closing summary. It is clear to me that you meant to write ''support'' in both cases.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 15:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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[[File:Smiley.svg|20px|Smiling face reminder]] Please do not forget that at [[Wikipedia:Move review#Allahabad]], you agreed to improve your closing summary at [[Talk:Allahabad#Requested move 20 September 2021]] once the move review had reached a decision. There was quite a bit of discussion about what should be in that improved closing summary.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 12:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Avoid Synthesis == |
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The inappropriate [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_(India)&oldid=1048842699 revert] you made on The wire (India) is a case of synthesis as you rev summary says"rv govt censorship attempts carried in wiki-voice". Plz avoid synthesis. [[User:DavidWood11|DavidWood11]] ([[User talk:DavidWood11|talk]]) 05:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:BRD]] - If your bold addition has been reverted, talk-page is the next destination. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Refer your this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_(India)&oldid=1048992005 rev]. You have not provided the proper edit summary [[User:DavidWood11|DavidWood11]] ([[User talk:DavidWood11|talk]]) 06:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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==Misuse of WP:BRD== |
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Consider your this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_(India)&oldid=1048992005 revert]. Now, get familiar with this essay about [[WP:BRD]] that i quote here |
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"BRD does not encourage reverting, but recognizes that reversions happen. When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]] and use links if needed". Plz be noted that you have not provided any reason of your using BRD. Yours is a clear case of misuse of BRD. Caution [[User:DavidWood11|DavidWood11]] ([[User talk:DavidWood11|talk]]) 07:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please consider context |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048105133&oldid=1047613748 Set of edits by DavidWood11 with no citations] |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048119157&oldid=1048105133 Reverted by DaxServer] ''Rollback edit(s) by DavidWood11 (talk): Reverting good faith edits, unsourced, restore last stable version [[:Wikipedia:RedWarn|(RW 16.1)]]'' |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048121197&oldid=1048119157 DavidWood11 reverts back and adds citations] ''→Others: added WP:RS and details to the section undothank Tags: 2017 wikitext editor Reverted'', ''→Others: added WPRS'' |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048842699&oldid=1048121197 Reverted by TrangaBellam] ''Restoring revision 1048119157 by DaxServer: rv govt censorship attempts carried in wiki-voice. [[:Wikipedia:RedWarn|(RW 16.1)]]'' |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048991060&oldid=1048842699 DavidWood11 reverts back] ''Undid revision 1048842699 by TrangaBellam (talk) "govt censorship attempts : is a synthesis'' |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048992005&oldid=1048991060 Reverted by TrangaBellam] ''([[:WP:BRD]] Undid revision 1048991060 by DavidWood11 (talk)'' |
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:You can hardly claim that you did not know why he/she reverted you. As for use of the article talk pages - that started 8 minutes<sup>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Wire_%28India%29&type=revision&diff=1048992554&oldid=1031017676]</sup> after the last revert on the article page.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 09:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:: OOPs i missed citing the content at first instance. A human error. however i have provided [https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/up-police-files-fir-against-the-wire-two-journalists-for-video-on-barabanki-mosque-demolition this] [https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/uttar-pradesh-police-register-fir-against-the-wire-2-journalists-report-gareeb-nawaz-mosque-demolition-176252 this] and [https://www.newslaundry.com/2021/06/25/uttar-pradesh-fir-against-the-wire-three-journalists-for-video-report-on-barabanki-mosque-demolition this] as WPRS later. I can see your goal post change tactics, i didnt understand what you wanted to prove by giving all the above facts. As a matter of fact my original regarding misue of BRD holds the ground. [[User:DavidWood11|DavidWood11]] ([[User talk:DavidWood11|talk]]) 10:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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==Sanjeev Sanyal== |
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You undid the revision i made on Sanjeev Sanyal article. You are violating the wikipedia rule See-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Researching_with_Wikipedia#Use_multiple_independent_source.You have used only one source and itslef crtical of Sanjeev Sanyal in the views and reception section. You have not used mukltiple independent sourcee. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AryaGyaan|AryaGyaan]] ([[User talk:AryaGyaan#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AryaGyaan|contribs]]) 11:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by the SineBot--> |
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:I have never come across this policy, thanks. But, this is not applicable for our content. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 11:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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==Astana== |
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Hello, why didnt you immediately start a new move request, after you closed the old one? |
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I mean, that I wrote for the reason, that you explained the closure of Prayagrajs discussion is similar, if that is not enough of a reason, okay, I understand, but that's like a small formality, if you close the Requested move therefore, be fair enough to open a new requested move for the same article. |
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Otherwise it seems like searching for a small mistake to close the whole Procedureywhich doesnt seem to be a fair Game. |
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--[[User:Tecumseh*1301|Tecumseh*1301]] ([[User talk:Tecumseh*1301|talk]]) 18:33, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Tecumseh*1301}}, why will I? If you believe that a preponderance of sources -since the name change- don't prefer the new name, cite data in support and open a new RM. You were engaging in [[WP:POINT|pointy disruption]] (I had provided this link at your t/p; read it) and hence, shut down. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 18:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Threatening me on ANI with repercussion == |
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PLz avoid Threatening me on ANI with repercussion as you did [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Competency_Issue_of_user_TrangaBellam here]. If you have any issue with my editing plz start a new thread. Dont make administrators space a battle ground [[User:DavidWood11|DavidWood11]] ([[User talk:DavidWood11|talk]]) 08:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Barahoti == |
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You made some large additions to [[Barahoti]]. Why did you leave out the referencing? Even some more rudimentary referencing for unreferenced paragraphs would have helped. [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DTM]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 12:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|DiplomatTesterMan}}, I am sorry. I will add all references by tomorrow. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Turkmen GAs, and a suggestion, if you don't mind. == |
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I would first like to say that I will be saying this with the utmost respect for the work you do, and as a less experienced editor, I do not have the knowledge to say much about the changes you made/requested, at least the ones about history. I would, however, like to mention something that I believe harms the discussions that you participate in. |
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You seem to enter into arguments with a tone that, from the outside, looks very forceful and somewhat dismissive. For example, you [[Talk:Turkoman (ethnonym)#Issues|indirectly claimed]] that I knew virtually nothing about Turkomans, and while it is true that nomadic Turkic ethnicities are outside of what I would usually contribute to (that is music, Modern Turkish and Ottoman culture), I would like to think that I know some things about Turkoman culture, albeit much less than the knowledge you have on the subject. This made me more regretful (for taking the review) than anything, but it did put me on the defensive, as at first I suspected that, with the massive amount of editors that like to ram changes through using this type of language, you were trying to do something similar. Of course, now I understand that this was not your intention ''at all''. However, I do believe that this type of tone can absolutely fan the flames of an otherwise obvious discussion, as it did in the RM close of [[Allahabad]]. |
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I would like to repeat the fact that I consider myself a bad editor next to you, and I guess that is partially my point. Wikipedia isn't perfect, and it is, by definition, limited by the people who use it. I am not as knowledgeable as you are, but I don't think that disqualifies me from improving or assessing articles to the best of my abilities. If people only reviewed GANs they were experts in, we would have a very impressive backlog of GA candidates that would never get reviewed, and while I understand that to a knowledgeable person, mistakes in articles tend to stick out much more (the first sentence of the [[Music of Turkey]] article comes to my mind, and I'm yet to change it), your approach seems to discourage most editors from doing anything, which, at the end of the day, hurts this encyclopedia, not help it. [[User:Uness232|Uness232]] ([[User talk:Uness232|talk]]) 18:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Uness232}}, Acknowledging the message, will draft a reply. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 05:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I also feel not a little bit insulted by your comments at [[Talk:Sharada Peeth]], but your talk page being full of blocked people who were mad at you fills me with confidence that you know what you are doing. You seem a textbook [[WP:DRAGON|WikiDragon]]: competent and knowledgeable, but forceful. –[[User:Vami_IV|<span style="background:crimson; color:white; padding:2px;">♠Vami</span>]][[User talk:Vami_IV|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">_IV†♠</span>]] 10:17, 16 October 2021 (UTC) |
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License Raj Issue |
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== License Raj Issue == |
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Hi,In the [[Sanjeev Sanyal]] Page,is it you who has added an invisble comment saying"Don't link the article on Licence Raj."?If it is you,Why should not the License Raj page be linked to Nehruvian Socialism. Isn't that the same?Any reasons? |
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[[User:AryaGyaan|AryaGyaan]]([[User talk:AryaGyaan|talk]])20:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC) |
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==New message from DiplomatTesterMan== |
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{{talkback|Talk:Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act (2019)/GA1|ts=12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)}} |
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TrangaBellam, now that the GA review's 'first comments' have been addressed (if adequately addressed), do you have any other comments? If you feel the need, you could close this GA or ask for a second opinion. (An enthusiastic editor) [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DTM]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I am [[WP:NODEADLINE|waiting]] for [[Talk:Jammu_and_Kashmir_Reorganisation_Act_(2019)#Revert|this discussion]] to resolve — see criteria 5. After resolution, I will take a detailed look at the content. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC) |
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[[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 12:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Can you assist me on Jalal al-Din Mangburni page == |
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Hello. Since the TV series [[Mendirman Jaloliddin]] began, this article elevated into fame- everyday it got hundreds of visits. The TV series is very misleading and thus I decided to clear up all those junks and improved the article greatly. But it is still rated C-class? What is missing? Can you help me and elaborate some examples? --[[Special:Contributions/81.213.215.83|81.213.215.83]] ([[User talk:81.213.215.83|talk]]) 04:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Ashgabat International Airport == |
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Please revert the change of our approval. Flights have been canceled due to Covid. It does not mean that you will never fly, I do not think that the user who made these arrangements will look at the part that gives the massage because he is doing vandalism. |
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So let's remove all canceled flights all flights |
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Thanks for your understanding [[User:Eray08yigit|Eray08yigit]] ([[User talk:Eray08yigit|talk]]) 04:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC) |
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==Ayşegül Coşkun== |
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Hi TrangaBellam, do you still intend to copy-edit [[Ayşegül Coşkun]]? Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 20:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::Because you haven't begun copy-editing the article, I've struck your acceptance at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests&diff=prev&oldid=1054430077 GOCE Requests page] so someone else can copy-edit it. Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 00:31, 10 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== November 2021 == |
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[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] [[Help:Getting started|Welcome to Wikipedia]]. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed [[Wikipedia:Template index|maintenance templates]] from [[:Malik Baba]]. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Please see [[Help:Maintenance template removal]] for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use your [[User:TrangaBellam/sandbox|sandbox]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-tdel1 --> [[User:Jmertel23|Jmertel23]] ([[User talk:Jmertel23|talk]]) 23:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:How did the article run foul of MOS:TENSE? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 06:41, 10 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Ways to improve Maharashtra Purana == |
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Hello, TrangaBellam, |
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Thank you for creating [[Maharashtra Purana]]. |
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[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|I]] have tagged [[Maharashtra Purana|the page]] as having some issues to fix, as a part of our [[WP:NPP|page curation process]] and note that: |
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The reason I tagged the article is that while there are references to the work in the sources, only one of them is about the Maharashtra Purana itself - The others are passing mentions. As it stands, the article would be improved if you could add one more source focusing exclusively or almost exclusively on the Maharashtra Purana. |
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Obviously, if you feel you've met the notability requirement, you're welcome to remove the template, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain your reasoning so that there's no confusion - I don't want something to fall through the cracks!}} |
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<span style="color:green">[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]]<sup>[[User talk:ThadeusOfNazereth|Talk to Me!]]</sup></span> 12:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|ThadeusOfNazereth}}, passing mentions? Did you read Kumkum Chatterjee or Dimock? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 11:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::So Dimock was the source I thought was best - "Only one of them is about the Maharashtra Purana itself." The Kumkum source is really good too! I didn't read it initially because it was under further reading, which just isn't something I usually check as part of the NPP workflow - I should probably start, though! I went ahead and removed the tag :) - Glad we could clear everything up. <span style="color:green">[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]]<sup>[[User talk:ThadeusOfNazereth|Talk to Me!]]</sup></span> 11:59, 12 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::No worries. There are many other sources in vernacular; a pity that I am not literate in [[Bengali language]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC) |
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==Disputed text in [[Sakaldwipiya]]?== |
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Dear TrangaBellam, |
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I am curious why you think the text you removed, and the article itself, is disputed. Can you explain in some detail so that I or other editors can respond to your objections? |
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[[User:Malaiya|Malaiya]] ([[User talk:Malaiya|talk]]) 00:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Malaiya}} - Apologies for the delay in responding. Check the current version of the article — you might expand upon, further. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::Dear [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]], |
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::Thanks for your nice work on the article. I will work on it sometime. I note that you have relied on Johannes Bronkhorst's article. There are numerous articles on the subject in English (& German) and Hindi, in addition to Sanskrit texts. Bronkhorst may not have been aware that there are living thriving communities in Bihar and in Rajasthan/Gujarat (where they are known as Bhojak). They publish their own magazines and construct new Sun temples etc. In many Jain temples they still conduct worship. You can identify them immediately because they wear a red dhoti. |
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::Bronkhorst is somewhat opinionated, I hope you will not insist that only western scholars are reliable authors. He had not been aware of the fact that Vedik brahmins have long looked down on the Shakadvipi - there is explicit condemnation of the devalaka in Manu Smriti, and they still do. [[User:Malaiya|Malaiya]] ([[User talk:Malaiya|talk]]) 23:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::How does Manusmriti 3.152 concern our subject? Why are you equating Devalaka to Maga Brahmins? |
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:::I see that you are in agreement with [[Romila Thapar]]—Magas used to be disallowed in Sraddha ceremonies etc. and gained stature with time—but as Bronkhorst enquires, what is the underlying evidence behind such an assertion? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 05:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Devalaka are the priests in the devala, i.e. a shrine with an idol, and they are compensated for the job of priesthood. Vedic brahmins did not approve of that. It is discussed in detail in Sambapurana in chap. 26 Maganayana, (Bringing of the Magas) v. 17-29. |
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{{poemquote| |
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एवमुक्तस्तु साम्बेन नारदः प्रत्युवाच तम् १९ |
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नारद उवाच |
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न ह्विजाः परिगृह्नन्ति देवस्यात्मीकृतं धनम् |
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विद्यते च धन ह्यत्र गुरुश्चायं प्रतिग्रहः २० |
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देवचर्या गवैद्रन्यैः क्रिया ब्राह्मी न विद्यते |
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आविज्ञाय च कुर्वन्ति ये क्रिया लोभभोहिताः २१ |
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अपाङ्तेया भवन्तीह तेन देवलका द्विजाः |
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अविज्ञाय विधान ये ब्राह्मयणा लोभमोहिताः २२ |
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::::Note that अपाङ्तेया means not worthy of eating while sitting in the same row. [[User:Malaiya|Malaiya]] ([[User talk:Malaiya|talk]]) 06:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Autopatrolled granted == |
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Hi TrangaBellam, I just wanted to let you know that I have <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3ATrangaBellam added]</span> the "{{mono|autopatrolled}}" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on [[WP:NPP|new page patrollers]]. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see [[Wikipedia:Autopatrolled]]. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors ([[User:Evad37/rater]] and [[User:SD0001/StubSorter.js]] are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – [[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] <small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 09:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]] - Thanks for the recognition of systemic bias! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Stop following my edits == |
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Follow any of my edits again [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:United_States&diff=prev&oldid=1055001651] & [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:United_States&diff=prev&oldid=1055001915] and I will have you reported to the administrators. (wp:following) And don’t even try to wiggle your way out of it if that happens. 7600+ edits and you just magically show up on a talk page for an article you have never edited before, responding at multiple locations specifically to an editor with whom you are debating on another unrelated article. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brahma_Chellaney&diff=prev&oldid=1055001053]. The lies you would have to tell would be so bad that you’d be better off telling the administrators the truth of your harassment. [[User:Estnot|Estnot]] ([[User talk:Estnot|talk]]) 10:19, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please have me reported to an administrator. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::I will if you follow any one of my previous edits again. Take this message your final warning because I won’t be saying it again [[User:Estnot|Estnot]] ([[User talk:Estnot|talk]]) 17:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I apologize for creating an impression upon you that I care for your opinions or warnings or whatever. Please never post at my talk - you will be reverted. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:21, 14 November 2021 (UTC) |
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==Sikandar Shah Miri== |
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==Odd, that== |
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How would one personify fascists, do you reckon?[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Toshi2k2&diff=1056562161&oldid=1056561453] I mean, they're people to begin with, right? Anyway, thanks for defending Wikipedia. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC). |
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== The Rajput page doesn't even discuss the Rajput people == |
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The Rajput page is severely vandalised for political objectives. [[User:Abhishek Parihar121|Abhishek Parihar121]] ([[User talk:Abhishek Parihar121|talk]]) 19:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Shall I treat this as a declaration of intents? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== On Amir Timur == |
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Greetings |
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As I observed , you have reverted the edits made by me on Amir Timur. May I please know the exact reason for reverting the edits as I have quoted from Two sources ,ie Medeival Indian Historian K S Lal's Twilight of the Sultanate which has inturn quoted H M Elliot's History of India as told by it's own historians Vol 3 page 461. There can be general argument that H M elliot is an orientalist Historian so his works may be outdated but as the name of the book itself indicates it is just translations of Persian and Arabic texts so how can you revert my edits without due reason? Hope you reply [[User:Ananda Sharmar|Ananda Sharmar]] ([[User talk:Ananda Sharmar|talk]]) 14:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:K. S. Lal is a Hindutva propagandist and his later works were subject to [[The Mughal Harem#Reception|uniformly negative reception]]. On criticisms of Elliot's colonial scholarship, see [https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv17rvxc8.5 Asif], [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0376983614544828 Tandon], [http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_eaton_temples1.pdf Eaton], [https://www.jstor.org/stable/40970686?seq=28 Chatterjee] et al. Even if the translation was technically correct, you cannot use a [[WP:PRIMARY|primary source]] without applying the rigors of historical analysis and considering the contexts of production. |
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:On Timur's motivations, [[Francesca Orsini|Orsini]] [https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199450664.001.0001/acprof-9780199450664-chapter-2 writes],{{talkquote|His campaign in India and conquest of Delhi in 1398–9 was not an attempt at integrated conquest, nor was it an attempt at plunder and loot. Rather, his Indian campaign was conducted in order to secure an influence over important adjacent territories so that no larger state formations could emerge in that direction.}} |
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:Anyways, the more important point is that the alleged autobiography is entirely spurious: consult [[iarchive:gri_33125008986388/page/n185/mode/2up|Rieu (1879)]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Thanks for your recent comment at my talk page == |
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Thanks for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WikiLinuz&diff=1058262125 assuming good faith in me] :-) [[User:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:Optima;color:#292928;">WikiLinuz</span>]] ([[User_talk:WikiLinuz|<span style="font-family:Optima;color:#292928;">talk</span>]]) 08:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Sandbox == |
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As you may have noticed, I started working on the Hindutva lead in your sandbox section. I was wondering if you'd be willing to split that section into a subpage, as that makes referencing, and talk page discussion, easier. Regards, <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 19:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Sure - splitting it into a separate subpage. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC) |
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[https://thecurrent.pk/pm-appoints-dr-ejaz-akram-as-rehmatulil-aalmeen-authority-chairman-twitter-criticises-appointment/ Deserve an article] - ? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Removal of section on upliftment of depressed castes by Savarkar == |
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[[User:TrangaBellam]] |
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I noticed that you reverted my edit to the Savarkar page citing Dhananjay Keer's book as an "unreliable source" regarding Savarkar's work against untouchability when he has been cited for the same by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Sampath|Dr. Vikram Sampath]], a Fellow of Royal Historical Society in his biography of Savarkar and also the wiki page for [[Patit Pavan Mandir|Patit Pawan Mandir]]. His work regarding inter-caste dinners is historical fact, as observed in the [https://lifestyle.livemint.com/news/big-story/savarkar-the-patriot-with-a-tunnel-vision-111632972367273.html photo at the top of this news article]. Please tell me your criteria for deciding the reliability of the source so I can follow the same next time. |
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Kindly respond as soon as possible |
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--[[User:AgileAlligator|AgileAlligator]] ([[User talk:AgileAlligator|talk]]) 04:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)AgileAlligator |
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:[[User:AgileAlligator|AgileAlligator]], welcome to my talk-page. '''All''' new messages go at the bottom. Keer is an unreliable hagiographer and I am yet to read Sampath. His work on eradicating untouchability need to be situated in the context of his politics — Savarkar was no Ambedkar. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:56, 9 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] |
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::I am relatively new to this webiste, forgive me for not following convention<br>Savarkar and Ambedkar essentially agreed on eradication of untouchability. [https://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/News-Analysis/2015-04-14/Ambedkar-Savarkar-and-social-revolution/144102 You can read an excerpt of the correspondence between Savarkar and Ambedkar here.] If you haven't read Sampath yet, I suggest you do. He presents for the most part a very balanced view of Savarkar, something that has been missing amongst the sea of political hitjobs and hagiographers.<br>Note, I am not saying that the motives of Savarkar and Ambedkar were the same. Savarkar was concerned more about the lower castes converting to Christianity and Islam, and the inherent hypocrisy of treating your co religionists worse than Muslims and Christians. But their end goals were aligned, in fact Savarkar went further than Ambedkar in terms of on-ground activism and combating orthodoxy.<br>Regardless of these things, there are two indisputable facts presented in my addition to the article. One, that there was a Patit Pawan Mandir ideated by Savarkar and constructed by his associate. And two, the first public inter-caste dinner that I provided photographic evidence of in my reply. Both of these things were not mentioned in the article, there was only a passing reference to the work he did combating untouchability. '''These facts must be added to the article; I do not care how you frame the political narrative around them.<br>''' If you have a better way of expressing these facts with nuance, I invite you to edit my changes and collaborate to produce a better article together :)<br>Just please don't revert the changes automatically.<br>Thanks,<br>--[[User:AgileAlligator|AgileAlligator]] ([[User talk:AgileAlligator|talk]]) 05:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{tq|Savarkar went further than Ambedkar in terms of on-ground activism and combating orthodoxy}} - Citations needed. |
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:::{{tq|Savarkar was concerned ['''and only concerned'''] [] about the lower castes converting to Christianity and Islam}} - Agreeable to an extent. When I emphasize on context, what I mean is: |
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:::{{talkquote|Savarkar's carefully laid out definition of a 'Hindu' rendered great service to his history writing. While he collapsed all sectarian, caste-based, regional and linguistic differences to project Hindus as unified community, he simultaneously, also ensured the maintenance of upper-caste status quo framed a sympathetic defence of the caste-system by arguing:{{pb}}"The outcastes and lower caste Hindus condemned conversion to other religions and instead readily joined the upper caste Hindus in their struggle for the creation of an independent Hindu nation. Caste-system must have facilitated the stupendous consolidation and remarkable stability of the Hindu society ... the Hindus ... created, or voluntarily allowed to be created, this caste-system with the sole object of protecting their racial seed and blood, preserving their caste-life and tradition and keeping them absolutely pure from any contamination ... Every caste, whether of the Brahmins or of the sweepers was immensely proud of their separate identity."{{pb}}According to Savarkar, the Hindus are excessively virtuous - an extremity bordering on perversion - which is responsible for the defeat and degeneration of the Hindu race and the Hindu nation. In one of his chapters entitled ''Perverted conception of virtues'', Savarkar laid out this idea in the following words:{{pb}}"Besides the silly superstition of the Hindus about caste system, the various bans on exchange of food and drink, redemption of the outcastes ... and which had done tremendously more harm than the two pronged religio-political Muslim offensive had done, another suicidal morbidity had completely possessed the Hindu mind for a long time. This morbidity paralysed their own offensive and counter-offensive might. Far greater than the Muslim could ever attempt were the defeats inflicted on themselves by these morbid, virtuous Hindus! If a comparatively mild term is to be used for this infatuation, this mental imbalance of the Hindus, which causes disastrous losses for themselves, we have to call it a perverted sense of Hindu virtue."|source={{Cite journal|last=Kumar|first=Megha|date=2006|title=History and Gender in Savarkar's Nationalist Writings|url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/27644182|journal=Social Scientist|volume=34|issue=11/12|pages=33–50|issn=0970-0293}}}} |
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:::{{talkquote|Forging a singular Hindu identity whose primary affiliation or loyalty was not to religious deities or other kinship, familial, or caste ties but to the nation was Savarkar’s primary objective. Any ‘‘other’’ kind of affiliation was seen as a ‘‘threat’’ or impediment to the forging of such a national identity including Muslim religiosity and belief in pan-Islamism. For him, all overlapping identities needed to be abstracted and crystallized into a monolithic one. His whole life’s effort was in a sense an attempt to forge this singular Hindu identity, which would be centered primarily around nationalism, knowing very well that it did not exist but had to be reconstructed.{{pb}}In this manner of thinking, all other markers of identity such as among others, tribe, caste, region, language, and place of habitation, prevalent in India, are abstracted into homogeneous markers such as ‘‘Hindus’’ or ‘‘Muslims’’ which become significant in modern politics. As Kaviraj (1995) argues, pre-colonial Hinduism was a ‘‘thick’’ religion-people were embedded in a multiplicity of social worlds and beliefs, which resulted in tremendous fragmentation of religious groups within the wide umbrella of Hinduism itself, and it is not clear that one group would call itself similar to the other, namely as ‘‘Hindus.’’ This is precisely what Savarkar feared. Jains or Arya Samajis would constitute their own sects due to differences with Brahmanic Hindus as also tribals who would have little in common with any of these.{{pb}}Savarkar vehemently opposed caste practices and exhorted Hindu Mahasabhaites to transgress all caste rules as far as possible to unite Hindus. While his opposition to untouchability and caste oppression was admirable and was acknowledged by many lower caste leaders, he also held as Ram Bapat points out, an instrumental view toward caste. His main opposition to caste was that such affiliations created undesirable boundaries between and among Hindus, acting as an impediment to the creation of singular identities, which was tied closely to his belief in the primacy of the nation. Savarkar’s opposition to caste stemmed from his belief in the primacy of the nation-state as a source of identity. For Savarkar, as for many others, the dilution of caste, religious sects, tribes, and other affiliations was required to create a modern ‘‘Hindu’’ whose primary identity and affinity were to that of the nation.|source={{Cite journal|last=Devare|first=Aparna|date=June 2009|title=Secularizing Religion: Hindu Extremism as a Modernist Discourse|url=https://academic.oup.com/ips/article-abstract/3/2/156/1848089|journal=International Political Sociology|volume=3|issue=2|pages=156–175|doi=10.1111/j.1749-5687.2009.00069.x|issn=1749-5679}}}} |
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:::{{Cite journal|last=Bakhle|first=Janaki|date=2010-01-01|title=Country First? Vinayak Damodar Savarkar (1883–1966) and the Writing of Essentials of Hindutva|url=https://doi.org/10.1215/08992363-2009-020|journal=Public Culture|volume=22|issue=1|pages=149–186|doi=10.1215/08992363-2009-020|issn=0899-2363}} makes for a very interesting and against-the-grain reading of his politics. |
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:::Btw, can you quote the source for Ambedkar's reply to Savarkar? I will try reading Sampath's biography soon. Thanks! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::All of my citations are taken from "Savarkar (Part 2): A Contested Legacy, 1924-1966" by Dr. Vikram Sampath. Specifically, Chapter 2: Caste in Stone. I will henceforth refer to the book as "Sampath". |
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::::Ambedkar's response to Savarkar is in Keer, Veer Savarkar, [[iarchive:dli.bengal.10689.13532/page/n231/mode/2up|p. 190]], which you refuse to accept as a reliable source. Savarkar's correspondence with Ambedkar can be found in Savarkar Samagra, pp. 575–77. |
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:::: I will now quote part of Savarkar's invitation to Ambedkar (Sampath, pages 105-107) |
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:::::I propose the following: |
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:::::1.Please come to Ratnagiri after a fortnight, and give me, if you can, one week’s notice. |
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:::::2.We propose to arrange a huge inter-caste dining ceremony of about one thousand people that includes Brahmins, Marathas, Vaishyas, Shimpis, Kulavadis, as well as Mahars, Chamars, and Bhangis. People will include all layers of society from well-respected citizens to workers and cleaners. Such ceremonies are not new. In the past, untouchable leaders such as Shri Rajbhoj and Shri Patitpavan Das have witnessed such inter-caste dinings. |
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:::::6.If you agree, we would like to arrange a lecture by you. |
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:::::We are not saying that by what we have done, we have solved the national problem. But it is a good indication of what can be achieved. We have shown that even the tradition of six thousand years can be broken, as we have done, within six years. And our success in Ratnagiri and Malvan can be repeated elsewhere. You can be sure of that. And it is for this reason, that we are inviting you to Ratnagiri. |
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:::::For reasons best known to him, Ambedkar could not oblige this request as well, though he always held Savarkar’s social reforms project in great esteem. |
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::::In Savarkar's own words, his reasons for being against untouchability. Take them as you will: (Sampath, Chapter 2, 118-120) |
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:::::......Readers may feel that I am preaching abandonment of Untouchability for exceptional circumstances only. I have explained why I have to do that. That is only a tactic to get the people moving forward. I wish to emphasize that Untouchability is unjust and suicidal, and for the sake of humanity, it has to be abolished. That is the main reason behind my movement. Other reasons are secondary and accidental |
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::::The main thrust of my reply was to highlight that there are two facts that are missing from this article. |
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::::One, that there was a Patit Pawan Mandir ideated by Savarkar and constructed by his associate. And two, the first public inter-caste dinner that I provided photographic evidence of in my reply. Both of these things were not mentioned in the article, there was only a passing reference to the work he did combating untouchability. |
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::::So long as we agree that these two points are based in fact, the only thing that remains is framing them in the proper context historically. I am happy to leave that up to you, as I do not have much time to devote to historical research. My main objective is to get these facts included in the current article, that's all I am trying to do. |
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::::'''Let me make this clear, once again. I do not care what context you build around the facts, I do not want to indulge in politics. I saw a gap in knowledge, and I wanted to fill it. You are free to edit my insertions as you see fit to provide context. I just beg you to let them be included. That's all.''' |
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::::Thanks! |
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::::Look forward to working with you to get these included! |
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::::"In April 1933, Dr Ambedkar’s Janata magazine, in a special issue, paid a tribute to Veer Savarkar to the effect that his contribution to the cause of the Dalits was as decisive and great as that of Gautama Buddha himself." |
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::::This is from Keer's biography, page 195. |
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::::I know you won't accept it, because according to you Keer is '''biased''' and is fabricating all of this information. Therefore, by December 29 I will be back with a scanned copy of the aforementioned magazine, upload it to wikimedia commons or something similar, and we can verify it ourselves. I know you can read Devanagari, and have a working knowledge of Sanskrit so shouldn't be too difficult for you to make sense of Marathi. I '''can''' read Narathi, on account of it being my first langauge. |
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::::--[[User:AgileAlligator|AgileAlligator]] ([[User talk:AgileAlligator|talk]]) 04:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::: Acknowledge receipt. |
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::::: To start with, Ambedkar's reply to Savarkar is mentioned in Sampath, who sources it to (Keer p. 190) via footnote 64. However, Keer does not provide any source for this particular event. So, what is the primary source? |
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:::::: The other reply of Ambedkar—{{tq|रत्नागिरीच्या आपण जे कार्य करीत आहात त्याची माहिती वाचून मला आनंद होत आहे. येथील लॉ कॉलेजच्या कामामुळे मला आपल्या आमंत्रणाचा लाभ घेता येत नाही याबिषयी खेद वाटतो.}} —is sourced to [http://savarkar.org/mr/encyc/2017/5/24/2_12_03_09_jaytuchhedak-nibandh-kh6-mr-v003.pdf_1.pdf Savarkar himself (p. 145)].) |
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:::::: I wish to emphasize that it is [https://twitter.com/sighyush/status/1185427762728718337?lang=nl not just me] who has found issues with Keer or Sampath's questionable use of Keer. |
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::::: I have been reading Sampath and he seems to have an agenda to [[WP:RGW|give Savarkar his rightful place in history or something like that]]. |
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:::::: Who even drafts lines like Ambedkar {{tq|''always'' held Savarkar’s social reforms project in ''great'' esteem. [Zero reliable evidence, at-least as evident from citations.] Ambedkar’s unwillingness to share stage with Savarkar is inexplicable}}? |
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:::::: Sampath spends the next few pages discussing how less progressive Gandhi was on caste/varna/... wrt Savarkar and inserts multiple quotes from Gandhi-Ambedkar correspondence — there is nothing about Savarkar except the author's own commentary about how Savarkar's views on caste were aligned with Ambedkar's. |
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::::::: What is the reason for this long diversion? To Sampath, it {{tq|seemed}} (obviously, without any evidence) that {{tq|Ambedkar’s praise of Savarkar [] stem[med] from his strong disagreement on this issue with the other major player in the field of social reforms in India during this time—Gandhi.}} |
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:::::: The author spends tens of pages in documenting Savarkar's views on topic XYZ and contrasting it with Ambedkar's. Savarkar's multiple "replies" to Ambedkar are used strategically to impress upon a reader of a vibrant discussion between two visionaries. What is missing from the book is Ambedkar's replies which is not so surprising since there exist almost nil correspondence from Ambedkar to Savarkar in the 40s or 50s. Why was such the case? |
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::::::: What we have are [https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/27145741/ambedkar-criticizes-Savarkar-and-his-politics-Prabuddha-Bharat.jpg stinging attacks] on Savarkar, which Sampath has sanitized. Consult '''जनता' पत्रातील लेख: डॉ. बाबासाहेब आंबेडकर, अरुण कांबळे, प्रतिमा प्रकाशन'' for more details. |
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:::::Anyways, without delving into original research etc., Sampath's is a trade-book and not suitable for use in controversial areas. Peer-reviewed academic scholarship is the standard. If Sampath has managed to publish something in reputed academic journals (he won't, if this is his usual standard of scholarship), please cite them. |
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:::::I don't see where Keer writes, {{tq|Dr Ambedkar’s Janata magazine, in a special issue, paid a tribute to Veer Savarkar [...]}} What he [[iarchive:dli.bengal.10689.13532/page/n237/mode/2up|writes]]—{{tq|Worthy was the tribute paid and sincere was the appreciation made by a writer in a special issue of Dr. Ambedkar’s Janata [...]}}—is quite different from your framing which impresses upon a reader that a special edition was devoted to Savarkar! Which, if true, would have been very significant for Savarkar's anti-caste credentials. |
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:::::Prabodhan Pol has drafted an [https://thewire.in/politics/rss-ambedkar-camaraderie-fictional-narratives article] on Ambedkar-Savarkar relations. An interesting line runs: {{tq|For example, Savarkar’s ‘Patit-Pavan’ temple, which was built '''exclusively for untouchables''' in Ratnagiri received '''biting flak''' in the Janata.}} |
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::::::It is obvious that Patit Pavan Temple etc. cannot be inserted until some scholar decides to interrogate the archives and write upon it in details. Pol reiterates what I wrote above, {{tq|Uunlike his intellectual engagements with Gandhi, Ambedkar had '''little dialogue''' with the RSS [or Savarkar].}} |
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:::::Personally, I won't be touching Savarkar's article until one [http://www.sunypress.edu/p-7301-hindutva-and-violence.aspx highly anticipated volume] comes out the next year. That is all I have to say on this matter. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
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{{outdent|:::::}} At the start of Chapter 3, Sampath details how Savarkar responded to Gandhi's ways after Saha's death. He chooses to end the discussion by highlighting that Ambedkar had chose to respond in a similar manner. |
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:Again, I see no reason for this diversion—in the form of editorializing—except as a justification of Savarkar's communal reading of Gandhi's politics. Multiple scholars [[doi:10.1080/00856401.2016.1194251|have]] analyzed Gandhi's relations with revolutionary terrorists from Bengal (esp. Saha). None of them finds a mention. |
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Proceeding further, Sampath, in his own voice, goes on to admires Sradhhanand's {{tq|commit[ment] to the cause of the uplift of the untouchables}}, and the Shuddhi movement (probably) to contextualize Savarkar's criticism of Gandhi's response to his assassination. |
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:Not surprisingly, Sampath skips how the Shuddhi movement infused unprecedented communalism into public discourse (Charu Gupta, Kenneth W. Jones et al)—something which was the (not-so-subtle) point of Gandhi—, or Sraddhanand's curious ways of eradicating caste. Gyan Pandey [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41625427 writes], {{tq|Sradhhanand's interdining would mean the "partaking of food in separate cups and dishes, cooked and served by decent Shudras." [..] Even such equality—the equality of being allowed to cook for and serve the higher castes—could not be conceded to the lowest classes, the menial labourers, the truly 'unclean'—whether Shudra or 'untouchable.'}} As Weller remarked, much of the breadcrumbs that were showered to the LCs were out of the fear of losing them to the folds of Islam/Christianity. |
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So, nah. I won't waste further time reading yet another hagiography of Savarkar. Two chapters are enough to suggest not embarking on this adventure. Your proposed content has nil chance of being included. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::What are you on about my guy [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]]? |
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::Fact Number 1: Savarkar was instrumental in building Patit Pawan Mandir |
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::Fact Number 2: Savarkar was responsible for hosting the first public inter-caste dinner |
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::Fact Number 3: Both of the above facts are not mentioned in the article. |
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::Now tell me the fact number you disagree with. |
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::If you agree with all of them, then naturally we '''should''' include them in the article for the sake of completeness. Is that not what Wikipedia is about? |
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::--[[User:AgileAlligator|AgileAlligator]] ([[User talk:AgileAlligator|talk]]) 16:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Savarkar was instrumental in building Patit Pawan Mandir and ? What else do we know from peer-reviewed publications about it? Pol writes that it was some kind of exclusive-mandir-for-untouchables and hence, bore the brunt of Janata. Keer/Sampath—both equally ludicrous—contradicts Pol. |
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::: It is your claim that prior to Savarkar, there were no instances of inter-caste dinner in India? Strange because Savarkar himself writes, {{tq|Such ceremonies are not new. In the past, untouchable leaders such as [...]}} |
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::: We can't every random factoid to the article unless they are analyzed by academic scholars and put to context. These things stay out. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Cleanup at religious conversion article == |
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First of all thank you for the cleanup you are doing. I noticed you removed [[Baba Shadi Shaheed]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Black_Kite/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Hinduism&diff=1059930729&oldid=1059929418] from the page. Can you please check this source[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=7iOsNUZ2MXgC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false] which verifies it? --[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 14:43, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Regarding this[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Black_Kite/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Hinduism&diff=prev&oldid=1059927235], I am not sure how you are connecting [[Sabarna Roy Choudhury]] with the Sarbananda of Barsala? Mazumdar family is different from the Choudhury family. This source[https://bn.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%B6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%83%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A4_-_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%82%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%B6.pdf/%E0%A7%A9%E0%A7%A7%E0%A7%AE] also confirms that. --[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 14:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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For this one[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Black_Kite/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Hinduism&diff=1059930729&oldid=1059929418], I found this cached[https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xqzgv96XQAcJ:https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/ring-of-tansen-in-house-unearthed-at-sikri-akbar-jewel-out-of-dark/cid/832130+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in] link that verifies it. Can you please have a look? --[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 15:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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And for this one[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Black_Kite/List_of_converts_to_Islam_from_Hinduism&diff=1059926964&oldid=1059926359], if the person is notable then why it cannot be added? Thanks. --[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 15:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[Roper Lethbridge]] does not comply with [[WP:HISTRS]]. I never claimed the two be same but engaged in a comparative analysis: these are nothing more than lores. It is your claim that a daily newspaper is more reliable than Bonnie C. Wade, a Chair-Professor of Music at UC Berkeley (and ex-President of the Society of Ethnomusicology)? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Ok, thank you for the explanation. Leave out [[Baba Shadi Shaheed]] and Sarbananda of Barsala, founder of the Mazumdar family. But I didn't get your point for [[Baba Shadi Shaheed]] and [[Lutfunnisa Begum]], a notable figure in Bengal's history. Can you please explain that? For, [[Baba Shadi Shaheed]], I found that news source which comes from a genuine newspaper and this [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Encyclopedia_of_Religion_and_Ethics_Volume_11.pdf one] from ''Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics Volume 11''. --[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 17:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::All Raj-era sources are prohibited for use in articles concerning S. Asian History. As to Begum, I need to think. I am of the opinion that the page shall be deleted: it is listcruft. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Was there a consensus somewhere that Raj-era sources are prohibited for use in south Asian history? I'm not objecting, I'm merely curious.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 18:17, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The articles have been kept so can you please manage sometime to fix the entries? Thanks. [[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 15:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC) |
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==Baidya== |
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{{GOCEtb|article=Baidya|sign=Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 05:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)}} |
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Great job indeed, [[User:Baffle gab1978|Baffle gab]]. Thanks. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 13:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Here's wishing you a marvellous holiday and the best of 2022 [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 21:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, F&F. Here's wishing an amazing holiday to you and your's. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 12:56, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Biased source in Saule Omarova article == |
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I have added a section in [[Saule Omarova]] talk page regarding the biased source and text about the reason for her withdrawal as per your request. Please share your opinion on this page. |
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Without a good reason within the next few days to '''willfully''' leave a biased opinion in the article I will be adding back the '''more complete''' and unbiased text with the unbiased source. And if the edit is reverted once again I will start seeking help to resolve this issue from 3rd parties. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Anonymous 5726221|Anonymous 5726221]] ([[User talk:Anonymous 5726221#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anonymous 5726221|contribs]]) 18:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:[[Wikipedia:BIASEDSOURCE|Sources can be biased]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 16:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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The above link doesn't address my point that there are unbiased sources which include '''more details''' than the currently biased source cited. Even if there was the same level of information, why not choose the unbiased source when possible? Here's a quote from the article you linked "non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject". In this case we're discussing the reason for her withdrawal which is push back from Republicans and some moderate Democrats (which the bias source omit completely). I believe the bias of this source isn't helping the article on the contrary it is omitting important information and for this reason I believe the source and associated text should be change. |
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I will copy this discussion in [[Saule Omarova]] talk page and will once again leave you a few days to give me a good reason why we should leave this biased source up instead of an unbiased one with more information. |
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[[User:Anonymous 5726221|Anonymous 5726221]] ([[User talk:Anonymous 5726221|talk]]) 17:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Removal of details of Temple destruction == |
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I have added this section back in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murshid_Quli_Khan. Please do not remove anything without proper explaination . Anything that has been put with valid reference cannot be removed based on bias and self-assumptions. Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sujit kumar|Sujit kumar]] ([[User talk:Sujit kumar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sujit kumar|contribs]]) 15:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The [[WP:BURDEN|onus of inclusion]] lies on {{U|Sujit kumar|you}} and British-Raj sources are seldom accepted in articles on Indian history and polity. Please make yourself familiar with [[WP:HISTRS]] — a 160 year old source is not appropriate for introducing controversial details pertaining to a Muslim ruler. |
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:I had already explained my objections at [[Talk:Murshid Quli Khan#Destructing temples and reuse of materials|this thread]] and even pinged you. That I am not Chaudhury, I fail to see how my assumptions might have crept in. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 17:10, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Keep both sides of the story! No one can travel back in time and see what "actually" happened. Looking at the Muslim rule of India, it is safe to assume that Breaking temples are more often true. Supporting Muslim rulers can be called fools at best. DO NOT remove any details, PLEASE! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sujit kumar|Sujit kumar]] ([[User talk:Sujit kumar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sujit kumar|contribs]]) 17:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::We do not work on assumptions - please make {{U|Sujit kumar|yourself}} familiar with [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:HISTRS]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 18:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Yes exactly - सत्यमेव जयते <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sujit kumar|Sujit kumar]] ([[User talk:Sujit kumar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sujit kumar|contribs]]) 18:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{outdent|::::}} 'Bout [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Murshid_Quli_Khan&diff=1061873578&oldid=1061825915 this] edit-summary: The "excuse" was not only Majumdar's but also of Sushil Chaudhary, former University Chair Professor of Islamic History & Culture at Calcutta University. You are not a professional historian and your opinions are immaterial; even if you were one, you will need to publish your doubts about Chaudhary in a peer-reviewed media before we can use them. |
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Katherine Asher—a specialist in Indo-Islamic architecture, whose books are read by every undergraduate student of history—did not bother to mention anything about the Katra Mosque being constructed of demolished Hindu temples, in the two pages devoted to the subject in Michell's monograph-survey on Islamic Architecture in Bengal. That probably tells {{U|Sujit kumar|you}} something. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 18:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Heard of P.N. Oak? Go read his books. Whatever I said was with proper reference. Why you guys can not accept the truth? It is people like you who give free pass to Islamists conducting same atrocities even now in Pakistan and Bangladesh. If you don't learn from history, you are condemned to repeat it. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sujit kumar|Sujit kumar]] ([[User talk:Sujit kumar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sujit kumar|contribs]]) 19:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]], invoking Oak with typical Hindutva rhetoric is probably enough to earn a TBan? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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There you go! That is why people like you would go with the truth they believe in. Wheather it is Montgomery (1860) or Oak (1990), you will ONLY believe what you want to. Scared of History or the future buddy? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sujit kumar|Sujit kumar]] ([[User talk:Sujit kumar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sujit kumar|contribs]]) 19:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion== |
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[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]] regarding a possible [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] incident with which you may be involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#WikiIslam|WikiIslam]]. <!--Template:Coin-notice--> Thank you. —[[User:Snuish2|Snuish]] ([[User talk:Snuish2|talk]]) 12:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Alt news == |
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Controversy, I have posted correct information with links. Either you prove it wrong or stop malicious edit activities. [[User:Sreenivasan KG1|Sreenivasan KG1]] ([[User talk:Sreenivasan KG1|talk]]) 21:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Let us keep the discussion at one place - that is, your talk. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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<s>:: {{u|TrangaBellam}} has a history of pushing POV, edit warrring. An appropriate measure to contain them will work best for wikipedia. report them[[Special:Contributions/14.139.114.213|14.139.114.213]] ([[User talk:14.139.114.213|talk]]) 05:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)</s> <small>--[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 08:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:::Thanks. Glad to know that and I do not plan on changing my ways. You can file a complaint at [[WP:AE]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:04, 28 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Always Provide edit summary == |
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[ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Narendra_Modi&oldid=1062281131 Plz provide edit summary] [[Special:Contributions/210.212.189.98|210.212.189.98]] ([[User talk:210.212.189.98|talk]]) 04:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Talk-pages are not for vile trolling. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 08:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC) |
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<s>:: Avoid participating in hateful irrelevent commentary as you did on the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Narendra_Modi&oldid=1062405650#Modi,_Kashi_and_the_saffron_hate here][[Special:Contributions/14.139.114.213|14.139.114.213]] ([[User talk:14.139.114.213|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)</s><small>--[[User:Bringtar|Bringtar]] ([[User talk:Bringtar|talk]]) 08:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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<s>== ANI notice against you== |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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:Thanks! Routine affairs in articles on Indian Politics - attracts the worst. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Your friend [[User:Bishzilla|Bishzilla]] and all her socks wish you a happy and healthy new Jurassic era! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC).</div> |
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:Wow. I missed this - a much belated New <s>Year</s> Era to Zilla and [[:User:Darwinbish|family]]! And, I LOVE the card. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Same to [[User:DaxServer|you]]! Nice to see you around. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, and same to you! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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[[File:長岡花火-2.jpg|thumb|center|400px|<center><BIG>'''Happy New Year!'''</BIG><br/><big>Thank you for all your high-quality, painstaking and thorough articles on Wikipedia!</big></center>]] [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 23:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, K3. Have a great year! Your contributions to our articles on frontiers and border-disputes are always the standard :) [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Your thoughts? == |
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Happy New Year. |
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Have a question about self published source below: |
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Hiro G. Badlani (2008), Hinduism: a path of ancient wisdom, ISBN 978-0595436361, pp. 315–318 |
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This source is published by self service publisher [[iUniverse]] which is used on article [[Seva (Indian religions)]] but the editor who added it stated that "[[WP:USESPS]] clearly states that 'self-publication is not, and should not be, a bit of jargon used by Wikipedians to automatically dismiss a source as "bad" or "unreliable" or "unusable" '." |
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What are your thoughts on it? Also Hiro is an ophthalmologist and wrote the book during his retirement. But just the fact that its a self published book, can it be reliable considering [[WP:USESPS]]? Because it can open pandora box for editors to start using self published sources based on [[WP:USESPS]]. [[User:MehmoodS|MehmoodS]] ([[User talk:MehmoodS|talk]]) 21:38, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:pinging {{u|RegentsPark}} as well. [[User:MehmoodS|MehmoodS]] ([[User talk:MehmoodS|talk]]) 21:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:I have nothing to add to [[User:Tayi Arajakate|Tayi Arajakate]]'s [[User_talk:Tayi_Arajakate#Question|reply]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 15:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Text you requested. == |
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I was able to get hold on partial text you requested at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#JPRS]] - |
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Here it is - |
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{{talkquote|...family had a list of temples that had been torn down in Kashmir. I said that it was a serious matter if it was true and wanted full information. A few months later this leader gave that list to me through his sources I started an investigation with the help of some dependable people in Kashmir. They sent me a report after checking and visiting those temples. The claim made by the BJP appeared to be wrong. " Mr. Varghese wrote an article in the INDIAN EXPRESS titled " Temples in Kashmir " on 8 May 1991. This article explained how some BJP leaders had told Mr. Varghese about the destruction of 100 temples in Kashmir valley and Chheh Dora. The Sanatan Dharma Sabha in Jammu also mentioned six temples , one of which was in Fatahaka Dal in Srinagar . Another temple mentioned was the Ganesh Mandir in Srinagar . Mr. Varghese and members of the Indian Press Council went there and visited with the temple priests . “ I had a list of 62 temples that the RSS had said had been totally destroyed since 1990. There were names of 1,644 villages whose names were changed by the Jammu Kashmir government in 1981-82 . They also had alleged that Anantnag was was chanaed to Islamabad. However, investigations revealed that these places of worship were never harmed at all. There were inns attached to Jawahar Nagar , Karan Nagar , Ganpatyar , Dashnami Akhara , Parushyar Bhairav , Sheetal Nath , and Ksheer Bhawani temples . Security forces were living in those inns with the permission of the temple authorities . Except for isolated incidents of shootings , no one had ever harmed these temples. There were communal riots in Anantnag in 1946 , and some temples were attacked at that time , and nothing else happened until the end of 1991..... |
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.....He has the government gazette which shows name changes such as Pohar to Nandpur , Daitunag Narayan to Nagpur , Aari Chhohal to Lalpur , Karandigaon to Chandigram , Kota Narang to Lal Marg , Kaliva to Nitampurm , Domhaq to Haripur and most important of all , Babarpur to Joharpur. Mr. Varghese said that no violent incidents took place when the government announcement was made on 24 October 1981 about these changes . Does this not prove that the people accepted these name changes? We can understand the selfish reasons for the false propaganda by the BJP , RSS , and the VHP . What surprises Mr. Varghese is the attitude of the Indian government. “ I asked Home Minister Shankar Rao Chavan to tell this truth to the nation . I asked the minister for information and broadcasting to show the real situation and pictures on the television to stop this false propaganda. However, no one listened to me." Instead they are chanting incessantly about giving credibility to the Doordarshan. This is Mr. Varghese's theory Mr. Varghese is not angry without reason. He says, "Those who spread false ínformation are dishonest. The government that refuses to reveal the truth is cowardly, incompetent , and irresolute . " V.G. Varghese is unhappy because he is an eyewitness to truth and has to hear lies all the time . The disclosures about Kashmir temples are false but very aggressive. . Mr. Varghese wants to ask the government , “ A destroyed mosque is made of limestone and rocks and can be rebuilt . A destroyed mosque is made of limestone and rocks and can be rebuilt . Who will repair the cracks that are emerging in the walls of trust in our nation?}} |
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[[User:Akshaypatill|Akshaypatill]] ([[User talk:Akshaypatill|talk]]) 18:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Akshaypatill|Akshaypatill]] WOW - thanks! How did you get this? Very impressive. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 07:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== hello == |
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wanted to talk with you regarding your so called warning to me |
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:@[[User:Raashtrapati|Raashtrapati]] Wikipedia is a serious project and I do not appreciate your trolling. I had asked you to {{tq|quote [] relevant lines from all the sources}} over [[Talk:Muhammad_of_Ghor#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_25_November_2021|your thread at Talk:Muhammad of Ghor]] unless you are desiring for sanctions. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 11:28, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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==Individual solicitations== |
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Hi TrangaBellam! A friendly reminder: it is usually not considered proper to solicitate individual participation to an RfC, Merge proposal etc... as in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kautilya3&diff=prev&oldid=1064647100][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kashmiri&diff=prev&oldid=1064647094][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Uanfala&diff=prev&oldid=1064647090], as it can distort the process of consensus building (sometimes called [[WP:CANVASSING]]). It is much better to post solicitations on general pages, as you did very well [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics&diff=prev&oldid=1064453677 here], and as suggested in [[WP:RfC]]. Best <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<span style="color:green">पाटलिपुत्र</span>]][[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<span style="color:blue"> Pat</span>]]</span> [[User talk:पाटलिपुत्र|'''(talk)''']] 14:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:पाटलिपुत्र|पाटलिपुत्र]], all of them have commented at the talk-page within the past year. The guidelines provide an exemption in these cases. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 14:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::Great. Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<span style="color:green">पाटलिपुत्र</span>]][[User:पाटलिपुत्र|<span style="color:blue"> Pat</span>]]</span> [[User talk:पाटलिपुत्र|'''(talk)''']] 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Bengali Kayastha == |
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Hellow sir,you did a very good job to write the baidya article.I am requesting you to do the same with the bengali kayatsha article,which is a complete mess. [[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 19:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Uninterested and I cannot even recall how I ended up at [[Baidya]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 19:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::this is not cherry picking! the statement was well sourced.I am not mentioning the caste varna.I am just mentioning from which varna the bengali Baidya was formed also that from a WP:RS source.now I can understand your internation.thanks [[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::[[Baidya]] spends many sections in discussing the origins of Baidya. If the equations were so simplistic, I won't have drafted lines after lines. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::::census report is more authentic than so-called purans.and don't do any personal attacks on me.stop reverting my edits [[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::I did not cite the Purans but historians who have analyzed them: consult [[WP:HISTRS|this guide]] on appropriate sources in these areas. If you feel that I had [[WP:PA|attacked you]], please approach [[WP:ANI|a suitable venue]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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did u check the kayatsha surname articles??? like ghose,bose,guha mitra??? the component elements (varnas) of those castes are cleary mentioned there [[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:As I had already said to you, I remain uninterested. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::the statement of sengupta article is well-sourced.and it is a census report of government of India where it is clearly mentioned the baidyas was formed by brahmins so what is your problem.please don't create any mess, I know you are so good in your work.please try to understand I am doing my edits based on how ekdalian did his kayastha caste and surname edits.[[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Have you heard of [[sealioning]]? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Ballal Sena is from vaidya lineage, why do you revert that???the statement is well sourced [[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Please raise your concerns over [[Talk:Sena dynasty#Caste of Senas|this thread]]. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 20:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the clarification regarding sena dynasty origin and caste. but the edits made by me on Sengupta page are clearly well-sourced and satisfy every Wikipedia standards.[[User:Miller110|Miller110]] ([[User talk:Miller110|talk]]) 20:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Brill reference works == |
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Salam, I hope you are fine. I would like to know if you have access to the [https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/subjects Brill reference works] please? --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 17:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Apology == |
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I do not take back the comment I made, as I still agree with it. However, I understand that it may have come across as a personal attack against you. I apologize for your feelings for my justified comment. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Auror Andrachome]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 23:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:I appreciate your partial un-apology, however threats against other editors to leave an article are never justifiable and remain [[WP:UNCIVIL]]. [[WP:UNCIVIL]] behaviour is the core issue here. Keep to the articles subject/content and please do not try to attack other editors <span class="unicode" style="text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em #777777">[[User:Bodney|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color: #660099 ;"> ~ BOD ~ </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Bodney#top|<small style="font-family:Papyrus;color:green;">TALK</small>]]</sup></span> 00:57, 15 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::Yeah that's not an apology that's just a poorly hidden additional insult. Also hey bodney! just wanted to let you know I tip my hat at your your stallwart, tireless defense of the truth. ^^ (PS: can I steal your talk page's green-ness?)--[[User:Licks-rocks|Licks-rocks]] ([[User talk:Licks-rocks|talk]]) 16:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC) |
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Can you explain why did you specifically revert this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&diff=1211393814&oldid=1211375550 edit], by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wire_%28India%29&diff=1211445323&oldid=1211440534 restoring] your version on [[The Wire (India)]]? [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span>]][[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 11:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Talk:Keiynan Lonsdale]] == |
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:@[[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] Perhaps, a better question is about why you feel the line to ''not'' belong to the lead? [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 21:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello. Just a courtesy notification that I removed your comment from the above page because I've removed the comment you were replying to per [[WP:BLP]]. Please don't restore it. Thanks for understanding. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 15:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::I mentioned it in the edit summary if you checked. I removed the mention of awards in lead as per [[MOS:INTRO]]. Those have their mention in article below too.[[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span>]][[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 13:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Read [[wp:pa]] accusing edit of biased edits is a PA, especially when what you claim is not even true "Topanga Canyon was recently sold for a tad more than $1.4 million to a corporate entity that public records show is controlled by Patrisse Khan-Cullors,".[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 18:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:I merely said that I believed it to be a biased edit, putting quotation marks to highlight text that was not highlighted in the original, I don't think they were quoting those 2 words, but stressing them. I certainly did not question the truth of the purchase, I simply believe it is a unnecessary and irrelevant factoid to include the sale price and that Khan-Cullors used an agency or company to make the purchase. <span class="unicode" style="text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em #777777">[[User:Bodney|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color: #660099 ;"> ~ BOD ~ </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Bodney#top|<small style="font-family:Papyrus;color:green;">TALK</small>]]</sup></span> 20:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
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You shouldn't be closing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indo-Pakistani_war_of_1947%E2%80%931948#RfC_on_what_result_is_to_be_entered_against_the_result_parameter_of_the_infobox this RfC] given your own involvement in this article and its various content disputes.[https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=TrangaBellam&page=Talk%3AIndo-Pakistani_war_of_1947%E2%80%931948&server=enwiki&max=] [[User:Abhishek0831996|Abhishek0831996]] ([[User talk:Abhishek0831996|talk]]) 05:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::We are saying she brought it, she did not a company she runs (note it does not say own, it says in charge of) brought it, this is failed [[wp:v]].[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:True - I did not recall my old involvement. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam#top|talk]]) 10:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Patrisse Cullors == |
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Bodney, Thanks for helping to keep the discussion of Patrisse Cullors civil. Some editors have differing views, but so far we are talking to each other like adults. Some have complained that Wikipedia has become a hostile environment. Thanks for being a polite exception to that. Irenically, [[User:Pete unseth|Pete unseth]] ([[User talk:Pete unseth|talk]]) 23:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC) |
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: Thank you for your kind words <span class="unicode" style="text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em #777777">[[User:Bodney|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color: #660099 ;"> ~ BOD ~ </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Bodney#top|<small style="font-family:Papyrus;color:green;">TALK</small>]]</sup></span> 00:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::I have already said something in that discussion. I do not agree that everything on the matter should be deleted pending an agreement which might not arrive. It just gives a terrible impression of Wikipedia as wanting to suppress things. [[User:Moonraker|Moonraker]] ([[User talk:Moonraker|talk]]) 08:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I do not think we should rush to include, Wikipedia is not after all a newspaper chasing down copy for our version of the recent events, but an encyclopedia with the long view as to what is notable in someone biography. Only in the last few days has this story reached the reliable press I believe we can wait a few days for consensus. <span class="unicode" style="text-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em #777777">[[User:Bodney|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color: #660099 ;"> ~ BOD ~ </span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Bodney#top|<small style="font-family:Papyrus;color:green;">TALK</small>]]</sup></span> 09:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello Tranga, I hope that you are not occupied with other tasks to take a look at this request. I wanted you to take a look at [[w:Conquest of Sylhet|this article]], which I believe is problematic in many way as it romanticises a legendary folklore as history. I am not too familiar with processes of removing problematic information appropriately but have noticed that are quite active with solving a lot of these issues pertaining to India-related articles. I would like to see what you think, as majority of the information is not from reliable sources at all. It seems to be a way of presenting legends in the guise of a reliable historical article and it bugs me because I know this is the case but it's not easy for me to make that clear to those who are not familiar with the romanticisation of historical conflicts in India. I don't know where a lot that which is mentioned in the article is actually from. I would appreciate your taking a look at this but if you are too occupied, then please remove this message as a heads up so I know to ask elsewhere. Thank you. [[User:Muydivertido|Muydivertido]] ([[User talk:Muydivertido|talk]]) 12:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 20:08, 3 May 2024
manavyAḷakinca rAdaṭE
marmamella telpedanE manasA
ghanuḍaina rAma candruni
karuṇAntaraṅgamu telisina nA (manavi)
karma kAṇḍa matAkṛṣṭulai bhava
gahana cArulai gAsi jendaga
kani mAnavAvatAruḍai
kanipiñcinAḍE naḍata tyAgarAju (manavi)— Tyagaraja
Yes, I do suffer from something of what the Japanese called a hōgan-biiki (判官贔屓) empathy in my approach to the world. It does influence what attracts my attention, meaning I sympathise with the silenced underdog in so many conflicts, be they Aboriginals or Palestinians or Tibetans. This as far as I am aware does not translate into being uncomfortable with my country of origins, or antisemitic, or hostile to Chinese. From distinct backgrounds, I gather, several editors share this interest and they tend to work well together because they subscribe to the same principles of evidence which are commended in academia as they are on wikipedia as ideals.
— Nishidani, en-wiki
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Pr.
- Ruhnama - Low priority.
- Hasmukh Dhirajlal Sankalia - Low priority.
- The Story of Civilization - High priority.
- R. C. Majumdar - Medium priority.
- Satish Chandra Mittal - Low priority.
- Fronda
- Waldemar Chrostowski
- Ryszard Bender
- Zdzisław Krasnodębski (sociologist)
- Antoni Dudek
- Dariusz Jarosz
To Read
- THE EVOLUTION OF ANTLER AND BONE CHEEKPIECES FROM THE BALKAN-CARPATHIAN REGION TO CENTRAL KAZAKHSTAN: CHRONOLOGY OF “CHARIOT” CULTURES AND MYCENAEAN GREECE
- Politics, gender, and the Islamic past: The Legacy of ʻAʼisha bint Abi Bakr
The Wire (India)
Can you explain why did you specifically revert this edit, by restoring your version on The Wire (India)? ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 11:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor Perhaps, a better question is about why you feel the line to not belong to the lead? TrangaBellam (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mentioned it in the edit summary if you checked. I removed the mention of awards in lead as per MOS:INTRO. Those have their mention in article below too.ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 13:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
RfC
You shouldn't be closing this RfC given your own involvement in this article and its various content disputes.[1] Abhishek0831996 (talk) 05:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- True - I did not recall my old involvement. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello Tranga, I hope that you are not occupied with other tasks to take a look at this request. I wanted you to take a look at this article, which I believe is problematic in many way as it romanticises a legendary folklore as history. I am not too familiar with processes of removing problematic information appropriately but have noticed that are quite active with solving a lot of these issues pertaining to India-related articles. I would like to see what you think, as majority of the information is not from reliable sources at all. It seems to be a way of presenting legends in the guise of a reliable historical article and it bugs me because I know this is the case but it's not easy for me to make that clear to those who are not familiar with the romanticisation of historical conflicts in India. I don't know where a lot that which is mentioned in the article is actually from. I would appreciate your taking a look at this but if you are too occupied, then please remove this message as a heads up so I know to ask elsewhere. Thank you. Muydivertido (talk) 12:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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