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Newsletter 8
I've drafted a #8 NPP newsletter here that we could send out. Feel free to modify/add whatever you like. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 05:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sure. I'd prefer to send it out in early December at some point if its fine with you: given the upcoming holiday in the States a significant portion of our editors are probably going to be busy and it wouldn't have as much of an impact as it might at a later date (not to be too USA-centric, its just something I've kept in mind from my RL job to not do). TonyBallioni (talk) 05:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- Lol, well I am originally from the USA, but live in NZ so I completely forgot about that. All good. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- By the way, I have updated the newsletter quite a bit. I added a section meant to steer users that might not review much toward doing outreach by inviting other editors. If we send this out it will mean a lot more work for you and other admins over at PERM (hopefully). It might be a bit too long though... anything you'd suggest culling? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- I’d likely cut out the project rating script: I don’t see how that is related to NPP. There are also some tweaks I’d make with the wording to make it sound more positive and motivate people that way. I think it’s peobsbly best to send a newsletter out mid-December and skip the November one. I had been sending them out monthly, but there is no need for that every month, and I think we’re safe waiting a few weeks to spare people a rush of mass messages with arbcom, the women in red challenge, and a few other things going on around now. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- I personally think that rating articles is pretty important as part of the review process, as it lets others who have an interest in the topic know that the article exists. The new rater is a pretty amazing piece of work, and enables me to rate new articles in a few seconds instead of 30 or so with the old rater tool. I'd love to see it in the hands of more people, but I suppose we can wait until it is developed a bit more. Maybe it will fit in a future newsletter that has a bit more room. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 12:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- I’d likely cut out the project rating script: I don’t see how that is related to NPP. There are also some tweaks I’d make with the wording to make it sound more positive and motivate people that way. I think it’s peobsbly best to send a newsletter out mid-December and skip the November one. I had been sending them out monthly, but there is no need for that every month, and I think we’re safe waiting a few weeks to spare people a rush of mass messages with arbcom, the women in red challenge, and a few other things going on around now. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- By the way, I have updated the newsletter quite a bit. I added a section meant to steer users that might not review much toward doing outreach by inviting other editors. If we send this out it will mean a lot more work for you and other admins over at PERM (hopefully). It might be a bit too long though... anything you'd suggest culling? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- Lol, well I am originally from the USA, but live in NZ so I completely forgot about that. All good. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Newsletter update +Backlog drive
I am pretty keen to start up a backlog drive to be run during January, so I have I have modified the newsletter quite a bit, shortened some sections and added a section with some info about a backlog drive to be planned from Jan 1st to the end of that month.
I will organize designing the prizes (which will be unique to the contest), will keep track of the reviewers' counts in a spreadsheet, and will give out the prizes at the end. The plan is to have two simultaneous award tiers, one that awards total number of reviews, and one that awards reviewers for maintaining a high weekly count for all four weeks (a 'streak'). I will also spend some time reviewing the reviewers during the drive, to identify users that are rushing through reviews for a high count and give them feedback on their talk page.
I think it is about the right time to send out the newsletter now, as I would also like to send out a message announcing the start of the backlog drive, and down't want them to be too close together (as it is we are only 20 days from the proposed start). If you have some time to review my draft and send it out, that would be great (you can find it here). Let me know if you have any feedback. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 21:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Sure. I'll review it tomorrow at some point and try to send it out mid-next week. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Assessment
Was there not a study done a while back on the reliability of article assessments? I could've sworn I remember reading the thing, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. GMGtalk 13:54, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Iridescent, sorry to keep pinging you on the subject, but as you are the only person who I can think of who might know the answer to this question, I'm going to. Thanks in advance. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not that I'm aware of. There have been a few "how accurate are Wikipedia articles that have been through a review process?" studies, and initiatives like Wiki-Watch and WikiTrust, but I'm unaware of any systematic study of how the assessment scale relates to accuracy. (With the exception of the FA rating, and A-class for the few projects that still use it, the rating scale is virtually meaningless anyway; I know of at least one occasion where someone has rated an article start-class immediately before the bot arrived to add the FA tag, while GA has become so subjective that what passes is largely a function of who the reviewer happens to be.) If Seth Finkelstein is still around—he no longer edits but his email may still work—he may know someone who's done some research; alternatively if you don't mind crossing over to the Dark Side then Somey or Kohs might know of something. Some of the former FA coordinators and delegates (particularly Raul654 and SandyGeorgia might know if anything was done specifically on the accuracy of Featured Articles. ‑ Iridescent 19:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- I am not aware of anything useful, but with the demise of the Featured Artice Review Process, we cannot even count on the quality of Featured Articles. At least half of the FAs on the books aren’t, and for several years now, FAs have been passed on meager support and little review. As far as I know, there is no reason to believe that article assessment has any relationship to quality at any level. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- ( Buttinsky) Tony, I’ve participated as a nom and reviewer of both GA and FA articles, probably not to the extent Sandy or Iridescent have, but the articles I was involved with were accuracy checked against the sources. A couple were legal articles, other topics included marine life, insects, livestock, horses, places, books-movies, and the most recent was Underwater diving which was highly technical and rather complex. I have a high level of confidence in the accuracy of all the ones I participated in and have kept on my watchlist. I have not reviewed others for accuracy. I’m not sure if you’re aware, but I created Project Accuracy (in 2016, I think) which would have taken the review process a level higher than FA by incorporating an editorial review board comprising project team reps, outside academics and experts. Sadly, for reasons I still don’t fully understand, the project was not readily accepted some in the community who flat-out rejected the project. Without the much needed support and encouragement, the application did not advance beyond initial discussions with WMF staff. Atsme📞📧 05:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- I am not aware of anything useful, but with the demise of the Featured Artice Review Process, we cannot even count on the quality of Featured Articles. At least half of the FAs on the books aren’t, and for several years now, FAs have been passed on meager support and little review. As far as I know, there is no reason to believe that article assessment has any relationship to quality at any level. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not that I'm aware of. There have been a few "how accurate are Wikipedia articles that have been through a review process?" studies, and initiatives like Wiki-Watch and WikiTrust, but I'm unaware of any systematic study of how the assessment scale relates to accuracy. (With the exception of the FA rating, and A-class for the few projects that still use it, the rating scale is virtually meaningless anyway; I know of at least one occasion where someone has rated an article start-class immediately before the bot arrived to add the FA tag, while GA has become so subjective that what passes is largely a function of who the reviewer happens to be.) If Seth Finkelstein is still around—he no longer edits but his email may still work—he may know someone who's done some research; alternatively if you don't mind crossing over to the Dark Side then Somey or Kohs might know of something. Some of the former FA coordinators and delegates (particularly Raul654 and SandyGeorgia might know if anything was done specifically on the accuracy of Featured Articles. ‑ Iridescent 19:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
BLP violation?
You sanctioned me under BLP and restricted my edits to living or recently dead politicians. Would you mind explaining what edits I made that warranted a BLP sanction? I would like to see BLP diffs that are relevant to that ArbCom case. They weren't alleged on the AE page. Masem is the only admin that commented on BLP issues but it was to note that my edits were in support of BLP policy. I did not list BLP as a reason for the edits either. Thanks. --DHeyward (talk) 01:49, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- DHeyward, it was for edit warring on a page that was under BLP discretionary sanctions and a 1RR/consensus required provision. The 1RR violations on this page were disruptive and a clear violation of sanctions that you were aware of. The sanction applies to living American politicians, and the goal is to prevent disruption and potential edit warring on these pages. It is logged under the BLP case because the page was under page restrictions based on that case. Since the original sanction was under the BLP case, I limited the sanction to BLPs and things related to it rather than making it a general post-1932 American politics sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- ( Buttinsky) It’s a double-edged sword, Tony, but I’m of the mind that the BLP side is the sharpest because of the potential for legal liability; therefore, editors who err on the side of caution by removing potentially libelous material should not automatically be the recipients of a block or DS for “edit warring” - the editor(s) restoring such material are the ones who should be as the ONUS is on them for restoring it. The latter is what’s being overlooked. When contentious labels are used to describe a BLP in WikiVoice, or opinion pieces and questionable sources are used to disparage a living person without in-text attribution or in a way that makes it noncompliant with NPOV, or if there is any other reason a GF editor is concerned enough to remove potentially libelous material from a BLP, edit warring should not prevent such removal or pose a threat of a block or sanctioning. If we keep blocking/sanctioning GF editors for adhering to BLP policy, we are creating an environment conducive to tendentious editing and potential liability. It also reduces the effect of our core content policies and encourages gaming the system by COI editors who protect/create attack pages, BLP coatracks, WP:BLPCOI, including political advocacies determined to disparage an opponent. I commend Masem for his defense of BLP policy but I’m concerned such efforts are being overshadowed by “technicalities”. Preventing disruption is certainly a noble cause and much appreciated, but I’m truly concerned that we’re throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to BLPs. I’m working on an essay with hopes of clarifying some of the misinterpretations I’ve seen regarding BLP policy and would appreciate any ideas regarding the best avenues to explore. I’m also hoping to shine more light on the potential repercussions of POV warriors who IAR and restore potentially libelous material. Atsme📞📧 12:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Tony I'm pinging you here because I have a question regarding this topic. Does "1RR", and "consensus required" apply to all BLPs or to a select few? Atsme📞📧 14:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Atsme, it only applies to ones where an administrator has applied active page level discretionary sanctions and specifically chosen to apply those two restrictions. You will be able to tell because there will be a page notice alerting you when you hit edit (like at Roy Moore sexual misconduct allegations). TonyBallioni (talk) 14:26, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) ...likewise, do you still beat your wife, TB?! ;) >SerialNumber54129...speculates 14:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
You recently blocked User:Abdulsidahmed2016...
... for creating nonsense pages. He returned from his block and created Couldn't sign in Email. It's tagged for speedy deletion but I wonder if this person shouldn't be blocked permanently as they're really WP:NOTHERE. Have a great day. Ifnord (talk) 12:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- There’sNoTime seems to have handled it. Blessings for having friendly talk page stalkers. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Your opinion
I noticed you are an admin who has been active on the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard. I came across the edits of this editor and much of it seems to be promotional and perhaps paid editing. I'm reluctant to delete the edits or tag the user's talk page without a second opinion. Would you mind? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Magnolia677, I've cleaned up what is hopefully the lion's share of the mess and left them a warning. GMGtalk 14:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks to GMG. Magnolia thanks for bringing this here. From a quick glance this appears to be more linkspam than new page stuff, and that is more MER-C’s thing than mine. Pinging him so he’s aware of this user. If I’ve missed any page creations let me know. It’s early and I’ve had no coffee yet. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks to both of you. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Recent edits
How should a pointy edit like this be handled? Should it just simply be ignored or applied in a case of incompetent behavior? For context, it was in response to my edit at an AFD, among a few others, where the editor was bludgeoning the discussion for the sake of arguing.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:59, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- TheGracefulSlick, my advice on all of this sort of stuff on Wikipedia is to ignore it. I'm sure you could use it as a diff somewhere if you were building a broader case, but I find that I am personally happier and more productive on Wikipedia when I am not dealing with drawn out behavioral cases (and I say this as someone who is the filing party in an ArbCom case, and who has two concurrent appeals against an AE sanction I imposed running right now). Anyway, always glad to see you around, and especially on my talk page! A way to brighten the night, even if its on a dispute issue :). TonyBallioni (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Sir, I can't claim to feel good about this post, but it is not there for the purpose of being ignored. It is there to encourage TheGracefulSlick to apply the force of reason consistently. The antecedent for this inside discussion is at diff. The discussion with you here is a continuation. Unscintillating (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- My advice to anyone who feels offended or is considering making a behavioral complaint because of AfDs is to ignore the dispute and stay above it. XfDs are heated environments and getting worked up over comments of others isn’t worth it. If you see question 3 of my RfA you’ll see this is my philosophy towards XfDs in general and had nothing to do with you in particular. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Sir, I can't claim to feel good about this post, but it is not there for the purpose of being ignored. It is there to encourage TheGracefulSlick to apply the force of reason consistently. The antecedent for this inside discussion is at diff. The discussion with you here is a continuation. Unscintillating (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Well I'll be darned, your response turned my bad mood on its head! I interpreted the comment as "you may have a point but I am not going to bother to verify it because you said something that annoys me". I treat AFD as a serious discussion about policy so obviously it irked me the wrong way, which was probably their intention. But you are right, I'll be much happier using my time elsewhere. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 06:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
My Rollback Request
Hey Tony, I apologize for bothering you but I just wanted to let you know that I don't intend to ever "disappear" from Wikipedia again which is why I said, "I am here to stay". I was just wondering if you possibly could look at your decision. I completely understand where you are coming from and thinking that I could just disappear again at any time and the truth is as I said I am here to stay. Mdriscoll03 (talk) 20:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Mdriscoll03, sorry for the confusion, I misread what you were saying. I'm still declining, however. I've updated my decline with reasoning after this. You really need to gain more experience before we give you the keys to Huggle, which you have stated previously was what you wanted this for. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
How to handle promo in sandbox
Not sure what to do with this autobio and/or promo. User:DecideSuccess/sandbox. Is MfD required or is there an applicable speedy criterion? ☆ Bri (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Err yeah, WP:G11, the one that deals with spam everrrrywhere :) Serial Number54129...speculates 15:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Bri, I went ahead and G11'd it. I normally don't do that without someone else placing a tag, but that was basically his speaker bio they read when introducing him, and you'd raised the question here. I also suspect that it was an offline copyright violation. Thanks for raising it. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Helpmegrow
On another matter, could you look at the now-deleted edits of Helpmegrow, also to the spamcopyviofest that is Don Honorio Ventura Technological State University and compare them to your recently blocked Moanabanana? I vaguely remember they were of a similar vintage, but it migt help establish how the sovkmaster is. Serial Number54129...speculates 15:37, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I just closed that SPI. They're likely the same, but that account is stale so I didn't bother blocking it. That was the one I was going back and forth on, but since you raise it and they have 2017 edits, I'll go ahead and block. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:40, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- ...know my name, Persuasion ;) Right, nice one. The reason I asked is that I was wondering, if that's the sockmaster, and they weren't blocked at the time, would the Moanabanana edits strictly fall under G5? I would argue yes, because the first account's edits were disruptive (copyvios), and although they weren't blocked they set up another account to return to previously-warned against disruptive behaviour (more copyvios). Having said that, the letter of the law rather than the spirit is that they should be a "previously blocked or banned editor." What say you? A somewhat academic curiosity regarding two degrees of reading the same thing, that's all. Serial Number54129...speculates 15:46, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- If I'm reading the logs right, Moanabanana is the oldest blocked account. There are others if you read the SPI, but none of them were blocked (or are, not many admins are going to block stale accounts from 2010 or 2013). The safest thing to do re: deletion would be to PROD or XfD with rationale and linking to the SPI if it is a factor. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Mmmm like User:HaroldGarcia... in 2010. Unbelievable. Anyway, none of them wrote the article so it's safe; no, I was just considering the irony that looking at it now, it's taken hours of editor and administrator time, copyright violations and advertorials, multiple edit-wars, warnings, and blocks, user pages, talk pages, and noticeboard pages... but we finally seem to have ended up with a half-decent destubification :) The Sytem Works. Serial Number54129...speculates 16:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- If I'm reading the logs right, Moanabanana is the oldest blocked account. There are others if you read the SPI, but none of them were blocked (or are, not many admins are going to block stale accounts from 2010 or 2013). The safest thing to do re: deletion would be to PROD or XfD with rationale and linking to the SPI if it is a factor. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- ...know my name, Persuasion ;) Right, nice one. The reason I asked is that I was wondering, if that's the sockmaster, and they weren't blocked at the time, would the Moanabanana edits strictly fall under G5? I would argue yes, because the first account's edits were disruptive (copyvios), and although they weren't blocked they set up another account to return to previously-warned against disruptive behaviour (more copyvios). Having said that, the letter of the law rather than the spirit is that they should be a "previously blocked or banned editor." What say you? A somewhat academic curiosity regarding two degrees of reading the same thing, that's all. Serial Number54129...speculates 15:46, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
A crazy guy, but funny!
It took me a while to catch-on to this guy...when I first started watching him, I thought WTH?!! But have since seen some hilarious episodes...and this one is what so many of us think around this time of year... Atsme📞📧 00:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Brilliant Idea Barnstar | |
As a token of praise for the bold edit at WP:CSD:) Winged Blades Godric 05:30, 11 December 2017 (UTC) |
New Pages
While new page patrolling I found this guy: Special:Contributions/Harriesss. Check all his new pages. Essentially the same exact text in each, and all football players on the same New Zealand team. Notability issue? Adotchar| reply here 10:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Participants in the super rugby league don't seem to classify for subject specific notability under WP:NSPORTS. That means that the Blues players have to be judged against GNG. Not seeing anything more than brief mentions for Mike Tamoaieta or Glenn Preston, though there are a couple of sources that I found for Dalton Papali'i [1] [2] (the second one is a bit marginal, but I'd say an AfD could go either way).— Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 11:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)- Insertcleverphrasehere Huh? I can't find much coverage on 'em but they all seem to comfortably pass WP:NRU#2 as they have played in a fully professional league (Mitre 10 cup) Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- AH... Woops, sorry, I read that wrong (for some reason I was reading that only teams were subject-specific notable from the Super Rugby). All these players do in fact meet subject-specific notability. Thanks for pointing out my error Galobtter. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 17:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Adotchar, I'm not the best at WP:NSPORTS, but you seem to have been given good advice here. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- AH... Woops, sorry, I read that wrong (for some reason I was reading that only teams were subject-specific notable from the Super Rugby). All these players do in fact meet subject-specific notability. Thanks for pointing out my error Galobtter. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 17:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback
Hey buddy, Thanks for that. But I have been doing it underWikipedia:Non-admin closure policy. Thank you. -The Herald (Benison) • the joy of the LORDmy strength 15:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- The Herald, PERM requests are not discussions for closure, they are requests for admins to do a function that can only possibly be done by an administrator. There is no need for a non-admin to ever deny a PERM request, and it can be very confusing to new users if they contact you requesting reconsideration (which is often the case). Please do not decline PERM requests in the future. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:14, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Seconded. Nick (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- This may be a good subject for a pro forma RFC for addition to NAC. GMGtalk 15:23, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Tony, it's my turn to say that we don't need an RFC:)PERM is a strict-sysop-only-zone (except for some comments by non-admins etc.) and we don't need to get any concensus to clarify that.Winged Blades Godric 15:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Meh. I've closed them before in extreme situations. Can always boldly add something and really see if it needs discussion. If nobody wants to, I'll look into it next week when I get back. GMGtalk 15:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hmm...IAR is always an option:)Winged Blades Godric 15:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Meh. I've closed them before in extreme situations. Can always boldly add something and really see if it needs discussion. If nobody wants to, I'll look into it next week when I get back. GMGtalk 15:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Tony, it's my turn to say that we don't need an RFC:)PERM is a strict-sysop-only-zone (except for some comments by non-admins etc.) and we don't need to get any concensus to clarify that.Winged Blades Godric 15:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- This may be a good subject for a pro forma RFC for addition to NAC. GMGtalk 15:23, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
User talk:Nazzah
User talk:Nazzah is indicating in their unblock request that they intend to abide by Wikipedia policy. Any objections to unblock per WP:ROPE? --Jayron32 16:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Jayron32: they were a paid editor/employee tagteaming articles with another editor, so I don't really believe them on that point: they are only here to promote their company. I'm not personally inclined to unblock, but if you decide to do so, I would only be comfortable with it if they agree to comply with WP:PAID and WP:COI and not to directly edit articles, but to make requests on the talk page. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Maja Polovina
While it's plausible that Lepa Brena may have more than one fan, User:JoDe seems to have picked up where User:Maja Polovina left off. MP's block date and JD's account creation date look suspicious. Since you dealt with Maja's edits you may have a better feel than I whether sockpuppetry is going on. Regards, Cabayi (talk) 14:54, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Cabayi, thanks. Blocked and tagged as a duck. I've gone ahead and filed an SPI for record keeping at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maja Polovina. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:22, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Why are you deleting Termux? --SDRausty (talk)
- SDRausty, the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Termux was that there was not adequate sourcing to meet our inclusion criteria. As an uninvolved administrator, I implemented that consensus by deleting the article. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Prolly a dumb question...or two...
- - when an article is redirected - let’s say a spin-off redirected to the main - is there a shortcut back to the actual article in order to review it? I guess that would mean getting to the actual redirect page and viewing it in article history, but what’s the easiest way to get to the actual redirect page?
- - is there an explanation of the Swap process for dummies? Atsme📞📧 11:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by #1, but as for #2, if you are talking about page swapping, the actual explanation is here but see: User:Andy_M._Wang/pageswap. Install the tool and practice on a couple of user subpages, it is pretty simple. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 11:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thx, ICPH - I’ll practice the swap. As for the redirect - I’m talking about spin-off articles that get redirected back to the main article. If there is no notice added to the target page about the redirect - example: type Transportion in the search bar and you’re redirected to Transport which notes in the header (Redirected from Transportation) - but if the note wasn’t added, what is the easiest way to find the actual #redirect page if you need to remove it and make it an article again? Atsme📞📧 12:44, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- When I do that, I get the redirect notice. If the problem arises when you click on a wikilink, then it is likely that -tion is just added to the end of a link in the wikicode, like how you get birds when you type in [[bird]]s. Hope that helps. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 12:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- You should get a little notice underneath "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" that tells you where you have been redirected from. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- When I do that, I get the redirect notice. If the problem arises when you click on a wikilink, then it is likely that -tion is just added to the end of a link in the wikicode, like how you get birds when you type in [[bird]]s. Hope that helps. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 12:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thx, ICPH - I’ll practice the swap. As for the redirect - I’m talking about spin-off articles that get redirected back to the main article. If there is no notice added to the target page about the redirect - example: type Transportion in the search bar and you’re redirected to Transport which notes in the header (Redirected from Transportation) - but if the note wasn’t added, what is the easiest way to find the actual #redirect page if you need to remove it and make it an article again? Atsme📞📧 12:44, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by #1, but as for #2, if you are talking about page swapping, the actual explanation is here but see: User:Andy_M._Wang/pageswap. Install the tool and practice on a couple of user subpages, it is pretty simple. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 11:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
atsme you can copy the php code such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transportation&redirect=no
and replace the bold text with what ever redirect page you want to get to. you could probably invent a little input box that generates that URL to go on your user page as a tool to make it cleaner. Edaham (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC) most browsers will automatically sort out the spaces and symbols into their reference codes for the URL, so in for safari for example, if you type -
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=bird watcher&redirect=no
it will take you to
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=bird%20watcher&redirect=no
, which is the redirect page for Birdwatching Edaham (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your welcome
Thanks. I will most surely read the links you listed to become good contributor of Wikipedia and stay inside site rules. Israelpetersen (talk) 05:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
BIMB_Holdings and Malaysia_Building_Society - NPP check
Can I check that I correctly marked these for speedy under A7 guidelines. Thank you. I've not had much time to review pages, but among the pages I have reviewed, I've made at least two edits which other reviewers have felt it prudent to ammend or alter and feel that I should get some feed back. I'm checking in here to make sure I'm on the same page regarding A7 so I can have a reference for future issues of the same nature. Thanks as always for your time. Edaham (talk) 05:48, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Edaham, when there is a notable parent company, you should just redirect to them. I see SoWhy has declined one of the nominations on those grounds. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Redirection of Sequencing.com to Brandon Colby
Hi User:TonyBallioni, I noticed you reverted my edit o Sequencing.com page and redirected it to Brandon Colby. The reason you provided is, AfD closed that way. Yes, the discussion had closed that way but that was due to some errors in the page at the time. You should have gone through the content before reverting my edit. The content is different altogether and it makes no sense to redirect the page to the Brandon Colby. If I had restored the page, the way it was, then you could revert my edit. The content and even references were all different and it fulfills all the prerequisites for a stand-alone page. So it makes no sense to redirect the page to some other page.TMOR (talk) 10:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TMOR, it didn’t address the notability concerns that were at the heart of the AfD. That is why I restored the redirect. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, The notablity criteria says: A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The article has more than a dozen sources included in the article, though there are hundres on the web, and all are from reputable media organizations. In the previous content the page had used sources from the company's own website, that made sense when it was redirected. But now the situation is different altogether. If you go through the content and check the links you'll get the idea. All the source are from independent, reliable and trustworthy sources and verifiable. TMOR (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TMOR, they all either pre-dated the AfD or were press releases. I'll ask the closing admin, Bishonen for her thoughts here. In other related business: have you been paid or are you in anyway related to Sequencing.com or Mr. Colby, and have you previously used any other accounts? TonyBallioni (talk) 17:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, The notablity criteria says: A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The article has more than a dozen sources included in the article, though there are hundres on the web, and all are from reputable media organizations. In the previous content the page had used sources from the company's own website, that made sense when it was redirected. But now the situation is different altogether. If you go through the content and check the links you'll get the idea. All the source are from independent, reliable and trustworthy sources and verifiable. TMOR (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni, No they are not. I don't know why did you redirect without any review. And I am neither related to anyone nor I used any account earlier TMOR (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- I've compared the AfD version here with TMOR's expanded version here, and I see TMOR has added a good deal of text and no less than 12 sources. The text isn't written in a very encyclopedic manner, but the big problem is the sources; I have to agree with Tony that none of the sources are independent; they're basically Sequencing.com talking about itself. TMOR, are you really claiming that a text with phrasing like "Our Universal Genetic Data Compatibility enables apps to be able to process genetic data" and "We also provide developers with easy-to-use APIs", as here is independent of Sequencing.com..? And even where this tell-tale use of pronouns is absent, it's easy enough to spot a promotional press release. I thought at first that the review here might be an exception, but, no, it doesn't even mention Sequencing.com. It's a review of Dante Labs. Are you claiming Dante Labs is the same thing as Sequencing.com? I'm afraid that, even if the two are closely connected, you really can't get any notability from a review that doesn't mention the article subject. (Some of the other "sources" don't mention it either.) In short, TMOR, notability according to Wikipedia's criteria isn't about the number of sources, but their quality. I agree entirely with Tony's revert to a redirect. Bishonen | talk 21:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC).
- TonyBallioni, No they are not. I don't know why did you redirect without any review. And I am neither related to anyone nor I used any account earlier TMOR (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- TonyBallioni and Bishonen, the reason is, if we exclude the sources mentioned by you, there are enough sources to support the article as a stand-alone article. What about this and this. According to you, The Huffing Post, Yahoo Finance, and all other media outlest are not reliable sources?
- I know notability is not asserted by number of sources, but what I mean is, if one source is not reliable then it could be and can be removed. The solution was not the redirection, might be some other tag could be placed on the page. TMOR (talk) 09:01, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Bishonen, I am astoished why didn't you find the name in the sources. I hadn't added the references blindly. I had read every phrase before including in the reference. Especially you talked about Dente Lab Review, please read the sentence with the sequencing.com, I have only written that part of a sentence in my own words and referenced that sentence with this link. Please have a look, this is the sentence taken from the article you mentioned above that it even doesn't mention the name: sequencing.com and promethease.com – where a whole host of further disease risk, drug-resistance, family tree, or appearance decoding can be done with apps and reports.
- (TMOR, if you have more to say here, please indent your responses for readability, and, especially, don't un-indent mine. See WP:INDENT, and take a look at how I've done it now, with colons.) About the Dante Labs review: yes, I missed the mention of sequencing.com there, and in a couple of other sources, sorry about that. (I searched for a capitalized name.) Good point! But it's a mention in passing. Please take another look at the notability guideline: "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". A suggestion: why don't you work on improving the article Brandon Colby instead (not in a promotional way, please)? If a reader tries to look up Sequencing.com on Wikipedia, they'll be redirected to Brandon Colby, and presumably they'll read that. Two admins have told you the sources you have added don't pass muster for a standalone article. If you don't want to take our word for it, I suggest you take the issue to the reliable sources noticeboard and make your case there. Start a new section with an informative name, at the bottom of the page, and provide the links people need to evaluate the issue. That doesn't have to be all the links to all the sources: a link to your version and a link to the old version that was on AfD will work as well or better. Bishonen | talk 11:42, 15 December 2017 (UTC).
- Bishonen, Sorry for inconvenience, I was not aware of the indentation. Thanks for your detailed reply. Only two references trivially mention the name, other 11 references discuss the subject in detail. Do you mean this article just mention trivially? This link is like New York Times in the field of Genomics. Also, what about , this link?. No, I don't want to improve the article of Mr. Colby, if I wanted such, I could have done that earlier. Please look into the references, at least the references mentioed here. All I want to do is the restoration of article, if you do that, I'll remove the sources which trivially mention and restructrue the content. TMOR (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The first source was already discussed at the AfD. The second source doesn't look to come from an RS to me. It seems like a fairly new trade pub/blog [3], but I'm not familiar with medical sourcing as much as I am PR in general. Maybe Doc James could weigh in as to his thoughts on where Frontline Genomics stands? He's typically who I ask for help on these sorts of things. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Disclosure of the users connection with the subject in question is also missing. Agree souring is poor and typical of that of paid editing. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:49, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
- Doc James, I had clearly answered in the second reply about my relation or whatever. I have been contributing for Wikipedia, so I wanted to present the article in a better way. I just need the answer, is there any way to improve the article as a stand-alone page? TMOR (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
- No, you haven't clearly answered Tony's question, because it wasn't about "whatever", it was about three things:
- a) have you been paid?
- b) are you in anyway related to Sequencing.com or Mr. Colby?
- c) have you previously used any other accounts?
- No, you haven't clearly answered Tony's question, because it wasn't about "whatever", it was about three things:
- You answered b and c but ignored a. Please see my comment, and my repeated question about paid editing, on your own page now. If you just remove my post, as you usually do with such things, that's up to you, but it really is in your own interest to reply to it. Incidentally, you have also completely ignored my suggestion above that you take the question of your sources to the reliable sources noticeboard. That would be something constructive to do, as opposed to keeping on nagging individual admins here on Tony's page. You don't agree with our opinion of your sources; fine; take it to the noticeboard for wider input. I'm done here; I seem to have already spent too much time advising somebody who doesn't have their listening ears on. Bishonen | talk 17:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC).
- Note. In view of their continued unresponsiveness,[4] I have blocked TMOR indefinitely for violations of the Wikimedia Foundation terms of use. Bishonen | talk 23:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC).
- Bishonen, you seem to have forgotten to block. Also, if you look at their block log, they are most certainly UPE. The other account's deleted contribs are telling. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the SPI
Although we have our disagreements about specific content on the Saylor page, and differing views on paid contributions, I very much appreciate you taking the red flags about these single-purpose accounts seriously. I see you've tied in one IP from the Mandell page, but you may not be surprised to learn there is yet more history. I'll keep it brief, but can go into more detail if you like:
- First, see the IPs at Talk:Brian Krzanich making similar accusations against myself and Drmies. The IP also created an account to impersonate a PR firm that had hired mine to work on Mr. Krzanich's page, which went to SPI, and resulted in several blocks.
- Also note, in your discussion at Israelpeterson's talk page, they linked to a WikiInAction thread and a one-post harassment site on WordPress as evidence of their concern; please see the discussion at AN/I in October, which includes links to several WikiInAction posts likely added by the IP / blocked users (it's hard to tell). The WordPress attack site also concerned Intel and Drmies, so it presumably came from the same source.
- And all of this may be related to an account called Inlinetext, which was blocked in April following similar activity (see AN/I discussion).
One last thing, about your wording in the SPI: you use phrases like "paid to edit" and "article edited by" to describe my interaction with client articles, but I believe it is material to others' understanding of the case that I have never made mainspace edits to any of these articles. All of my participation has been on talk pages and in draft space. I hope you'll agree the distinction is worth clarifying. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:42, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- WWB Too, thanks for the history here. I didn't check the links last night: it was late and I had already filed an SPI for a CheckUser to look at what was involved. I believe very strongly that users shouldn't feel harassed, so if you are being ganged up on by multiple accounts maliciously, it should be examined. I'd encourage you to add any relevant information to the SPI: I think you certainly have a right to do it with your paid account or your real account.I don't see the distinction you are making as a particularly meaningful one in terms of verbiage. While I do appreciate that you are one of the few firms that actually attempts to follow our rules, you are drafting articles that are then later pasted or moved into mainspace (through the proper channels). As I pointed out at the COI talk page, your actions create a structural problem with the article in that all future edits are based off of your work, and from what I have seen, your firm's work tends to be advertising (if very well done advertising using modern PR best practices that try to minimize the advertisement sounding like an advertisement.) Your edits are in the articles, even if they were executed by someone else, so I think my description is fair. You'll likely disagree with that, but it is how I see it. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Once again, despite our different opinions, I'm grateful for your thoughtful approach. I probably will add something to the SPI page, though I may not get to it until later today. As for the distinction between my approach and someone who edits directly, I consider it material in large part because of Jimbo's longstanding advice about sticking to talk pages. Still, I understand where you're coming from, and it's never our intention to be overtly promotional—which is not to say we always get it right. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:29, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- WWB Too, not a problem: like I said, you're trying to get it right, which I do appreciate even if I personally have concerns with the structural challenges commercial paid editing presents (which is not to say I am for a complete ban, just that we really need to think them through more systemically than we have.)As for the SPI, it turned up four accounts on the CU, so hopefully this set of problems will be done for now. I'm off for the day, but I'll weigh in on the talk page later. All the best, TonyBallioni (talk) 16:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Once again, despite our different opinions, I'm grateful for your thoughtful approach. I probably will add something to the SPI page, though I may not get to it until later today. As for the distinction between my approach and someone who edits directly, I consider it material in large part because of Jimbo's longstanding advice about sticking to talk pages. Still, I understand where you're coming from, and it's never our intention to be overtly promotional—which is not to say we always get it right. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:29, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Tony, I haven't followed recent developments--but "that IP" is in fact seriously abusive, as is Inlinetext, who is (I have no doubt) behind a bunch of IPs/accounts. In fact, they "denounced" me to my employer a few weeks ago; they have a record of harassing people off-wiki, in the most repulsively verbose language (a crime against English). It was kind of fun explaining Wikipedia, IP editing, COI, etc. to the folks at HR. OK, so I was paid 78,000 MILLION POUNDS IN BITCOIN BY INTEL, what about it? Srsly, "that IP" is seriously abusive and has been harassing people for months: block on sight, revert, and pay it no mind. (If you followed some links you may know that this is also about magic crystals that apparently Intel used but then didn't use and they swept it under the rug and it's all really important and probably a conspiracy and blah blah blah. People should really stop smoking bath salts.)
As for WWB, well, a paid editor edits to get paid. As you can see, I think, in the few articles that I have been involved with that they wrote, I think they should do more pruning and write less promotionally, but at least they seem to be an honest broker... OK, gotta go and check a million other messages. Take it easy! Drmies (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
- Drmies, thanks for the message. Yes: after I saw the complaints, I filed the SPI because it looked fishy. Thanks for the note. I agree with you that WWB is attempting to be an honest broker here. I hope you are recovering well and having a Merry Christmas season! TonyBallioni (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
2004 Ingoldmells bus crash
Hi! I just reverted the PROD you added to the article because I think it meets WP:EVENT, given that it had national media coverage over an extended period of time, so I don't think it would be an uncontroversial deletion per WP:PROD. AfD seems more suitable. Marianna251TALK 00:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Marianna251, already at AfD. If this meets our inclusion standards, the standards need to be changed. A bus crash with 5 fatalities has no place on Wikipedia, regardless of the coverage. The GNG can’t trump NOT. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It doesn't fit PROD but AfD is perfectly reasonable. Not sure how WP:EVENT could be amended, though - this could just be one of those cases that gets by on a technicality because perfect guidelines aren't possible. Something's always going to slip through. Marianna251TALK 00:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Meh, it’s pretty uncontroversial, I can’t think of any admin who would have a problem deleting it via PROD, but I have no problem going to AfD. EVENT doesn’t need to be modified since it is already subordinate to NOT. Anyway, thanks for the note. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It doesn't fit PROD but AfD is perfectly reasonable. Not sure how WP:EVENT could be amended, though - this could just be one of those cases that gets by on a technicality because perfect guidelines aren't possible. Something's always going to slip through. Marianna251TALK 00:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Help for improvement this article. Thank you!Haiyenslna (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Haiyenslna, I noticed you have spammed this message across a bunch of peoples' talk pages. Is there some specific assistance you're looking for? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Tony, it's the former 142.160.131.202. (It seems my IP address has shifted, which I've never known to happen before.) Regarding those contested requested moves related to definite articles, would it be possible to cancel all of them except for The Anglican Missal? It doesn't make sense to have the same discussion concurrently in a half-dozen different places, so I figure I can re-request after the first RM is over. Cheers, 142.161.81.20 (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- @142.161.81.20: sure, I figured it was you. I typically decline those as a whole and let them be bundled, but as these aren't really related except for the definite article, I sent them to discussion. I'm about to head to bed, but if no one has commented except Bradv, you can close them yourself by following the instructions at Template:RMnac and making the outcome withdrawn. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hey, you couldn't assume it was me – it could be any of the many editors concerned about the application of naming conventions in articles on the history of high-church Anglicanism! But will do. Thanks, 142.161.81.20 (talk) 05:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Where has the time gone?!
Happy Holiday Cheer!! |
in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required. |
and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉 |
- Oh, Atsme, you could have left it as Christmas, my rant below was just making fun of TNT over the exact word XMAS. He's a good friend, so I sometimes take liberties in making fun of him. I wish you a very Merry Christmas yourself (I do celebrate it. Looking forward to seeing the tress at my folks house this year ). TonyBallioni (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, *lol* Not intending to profile but your last name and my grandparent's name (Petteruti) have a similar end ring so I just assumed...but then I thought, well hell, I hit him twice with Christmas tree worm, talk about tacky! There was no escape - I sought shelter. Thank you for your merry wishes. Atsme📞📧 17:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Request
Please do something with Archaeological Museum Umerkot too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisal Ahmad (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Wisal Ahmad, I'll look at it later. A bit busy now, and not yet had my coffee. Cordless Larry, good call on the copyright investigation: not sure how much experience you have with text copyright, but typically the practice we use these days is to remove any copyrighted text (including close paraphrases), and revdel using Template:copyvio-revdel (or you can just ask me on my talk.) Its essentially what the people at the copyright page will do, so unless there is something complicated, its normally just easier to do it yourself. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- I did remove the copyright text, when I added the investigation template. I thought that the presence of the investigation template attracts a copyright clerk, who performs the revision deletions? That's how I've done things in the past, but please let me know if that's wrong. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- A clerk will look over it that way, but the now standard way of doing it is through Template:copyvio-revdel or asking an admin directly. The copyright investigations template is used for more complex cases where excising the text completely would be a net negative (i.e. a rewrite is needed because the article and content is actually important) or in cases where it is likely that a copyright violation has occurred but the exact copyright status of the material is unclear, so having it reviewed by someone who is familiar with our copyright policy would be beneficial. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. I have sometimes wondered whether a clerk investigation is required when I can perfectly well tell that something is a violation. The wording of WP:DCV could probably do with updating, as that is what I have been following until now - though I have done so thinking that parts of it are a bit ambiguous when it comes to determining which path to take. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- No one is working on the cases at WP:CP at present (like for the last month or so), and there's a lot of unresolved cases on the board right now. Sorry about that. I will try to get some done today. If it's a clear-cut copyvio and you don't see a need for the editor who added it to be given a week to attempt revisions, please remove the content and request revision deletion, either through use of the revision-deletion Template:copyvio-revdel or posting on the talk page of an admin with experience doing revision deletion (Tony and myself would both be happy to help with this). I usually list at WP:CP where there's a long-standing article will be more or less destroyed or stubbified by copyvio removal, or cases where an editor has attempted to paraphrase a source and has not done a very good job of it and a week to get the prose compliant is all they need to fix it. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments, Diannaa. This isn't the first time you have provided me with advice on dealing with copyright violations. You certainly do not need to apologise for the unresolved cases when much of the workload falls on you. I would just emphasise the point I made to Tony, that WP:DCV could perhaps be updated to advise readers about requesting revision deletion directly, which might reduce the load at WP:CP somewhat. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Tony has done some amendments at the policy page to make it clearer that listing at WP:CP need not be the first resort in clear-cut cases. Diff of Wikipedia:Copyright violations. That should help. Thanks Tony. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, both. I hadn't seen Tony's amendments before I made this morning's comment, and I think that they help clarify things. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Tony has done some amendments at the policy page to make it clearer that listing at WP:CP need not be the first resort in clear-cut cases. Diff of Wikipedia:Copyright violations. That should help. Thanks Tony. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments, Diannaa. This isn't the first time you have provided me with advice on dealing with copyright violations. You certainly do not need to apologise for the unresolved cases when much of the workload falls on you. I would just emphasise the point I made to Tony, that WP:DCV could perhaps be updated to advise readers about requesting revision deletion directly, which might reduce the load at WP:CP somewhat. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- No one is working on the cases at WP:CP at present (like for the last month or so), and there's a lot of unresolved cases on the board right now. Sorry about that. I will try to get some done today. If it's a clear-cut copyvio and you don't see a need for the editor who added it to be given a week to attempt revisions, please remove the content and request revision deletion, either through use of the revision-deletion Template:copyvio-revdel or posting on the talk page of an admin with experience doing revision deletion (Tony and myself would both be happy to help with this). I usually list at WP:CP where there's a long-standing article will be more or less destroyed or stubbified by copyvio removal, or cases where an editor has attempted to paraphrase a source and has not done a very good job of it and a week to get the prose compliant is all they need to fix it. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. I have sometimes wondered whether a clerk investigation is required when I can perfectly well tell that something is a violation. The wording of WP:DCV could probably do with updating, as that is what I have been following until now - though I have done so thinking that parts of it are a bit ambiguous when it comes to determining which path to take. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- A clerk will look over it that way, but the now standard way of doing it is through Template:copyvio-revdel or asking an admin directly. The copyright investigations template is used for more complex cases where excising the text completely would be a net negative (i.e. a rewrite is needed because the article and content is actually important) or in cases where it is likely that a copyright violation has occurred but the exact copyright status of the material is unclear, so having it reviewed by someone who is familiar with our copyright policy would be beneficial. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- I did remove the copyright text, when I added the investigation template. I thought that the presence of the investigation template attracts a copyright clerk, who performs the revision deletions? That's how I've done things in the past, but please let me know if that's wrong. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Season's Greetings!
Season's Greetings! | |
Merry XMAS! -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 17:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC) |
- Let the record reflect that User:There'sNoTime did XMAS to annoy me since I think it is tacky and he knows it. Also, should anyone wonder where the X in Xmas comes from, it is actually quite religious (which is neither good nor bad): see Chi Rho and Xmas for a bit of background X being the Latin character that looks most like the Greek chi, the ancient abbreviation for Christ.) TonyBallioni (talk) 17:18, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Cough cough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed, I have a friend name Christina who as a nickname goes by Xtina (pronounced ex-tina) for that reason. Also, I don't know if I've ever told you I appreciate the possible double play on your username: it obviously draws to mind the liturgical Latin Church practice by the same name, but also can be taken to mean the literal translation, which is obviously the other side of the coin from the Church of Rome. Also, TNT likely didn't expect to get such a lesson on religious terminology today. Poor chap. Side effect of somehow putting up with me. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- Cough cough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Papal conclave, 1655
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Papal conclave, 1655 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Katolophyromai -- Katolophyromai (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi @TonyBallioni:, I noticed that you have deleted the article Prasanth Manghat, under G5 of Wikipedia deletion policy, because it was submitted (for Article for Creation) or created by WikiBaji, who later got blocked/banned from Wikipedia. I do not know why the editor WikiBaji created this article. I want to inform you that User:Wikibaji had drafted a short article just copying the same content from The Wall Street Journal's Profile. And the draft was approved. I'm unaware of his/her motive behind drafting the article.
But When I got to know about the Prasanth Manghat article, it was just a short article, so I decided to improve the article and expanded it by adding more content and citations. But user User:Wikibaji reverted my all edit. I again made the same edit and User:Wikibaji reverted it again, which turned to be an edit war. It was clear vandalism from User:Wikibaji and was behaving like he/she owns the article. I asked for the help at Helpdesk, Wikipedia administrator Mr. User:DGG came forward to help me and accepted my version and warn the editor Wikibaji. You can see the whole conversation on the article Prasanth Manghat' talk page.
So, I believe, the article should not be deleted just because it was submitted (for the article for creation) by Wikibaji. If he had a conflict of Interest, why would he have vandalized the article. So, I request you to check the whole matter and restore the article. Thank you. 124.155.255.199 (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- That article had been nominated by There'sNoTime for deletion. I believe there was significant evidence off-wiki that contributed to his choice to do so, but I would welcome hearing DGG's thoughts on this, because I respect his views on paid editing quite a lot and if he thinks I should restore it, I will. My reasoning for deleting via G5 was that there were no substantial contributions from others, and even the larger edits on the end to me appeared to be restoration of content by a banned editor who was editing in violations of the terms of use. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
William Lever, 1st Viscount Leverhulme copyright issue
Hi again. The section William Lever, 1st Viscount Leverhulme#Roynton Cottage, Rivington, Lancashire appears to be a copyright violation of various parts this paper. The background to this is being discussed (in relation to a different article) at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Someone has erroneously, perhaps mischievously, deleted content, where the editor who added it is claiming to be the copyright holder. Should this material be deleted, or can we wait to see if formal permission is given? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Cordless Larry, I've removed the section and hidden the revisions containing it. Our copyright policy requires proof of a compatible license, and all content is assumed non-compatible and under copyright until we have that proof. The content cannot remain on Wikipedia until we have formal permission, in this case, it would likely be easiest to handle via OTRS. We do this both for the protection of the rights of the copyright holder and to protect others from possible infringement if they reuse our content. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, understood - thanks. By "wait to see", I didn't just mean leave it alone, but I wondered if blanking the section would have sufficed while the permissions issue was resolved. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- It’s easier to revdel now and restore when we get permissions. Legally we need to, and it prevents us from forgetting about it. Undoing revdel is easy. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Something tells me that we probably aren't going to get that permission anyway! Cordless Larry (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Darn. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:01, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Something tells me that we probably aren't going to get that permission anyway! Cordless Larry (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- It’s easier to revdel now and restore when we get permissions. Legally we need to, and it prevents us from forgetting about it. Undoing revdel is easy. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, understood - thanks. By "wait to see", I didn't just mean leave it alone, but I wondered if blanking the section would have sufficed while the permissions issue was resolved. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Numbers
That was my error, apologies. — xaosflux Talk 03:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- Not a problem. I figured as much. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
On the possibility of reopening and editing List of awards and nominations received by Regine Velasquez
Hi TonyBallioni
Hope all is well. From my understanding, the aforementioned Wikipedia List of Regine Velasquez's awards and nominations has been merged/redirected to the article back in 2013 after a consensus was made following its nomination for deletion. Having gone through the page myself, it does indeed fall short on verifiable sources and was poorly formatted and presented. I'd like to work on improving the list after spending time re-writing Regine Velasquez's article between Oct-Dec to adhere with WP:MOS, which is in the middle of a peer review and undergoing a WP:GOCE copy-edit. My next aim is to clean-up existing articles/list related to Velasquez.
Reading through the talk page I noted that you were involved with the results of deletion discussions. I'm also unsure where to discuss this, so I decided to contact you through your talk page. Hope you could get back on the best course of action to address my request. Pseud 14 (talk) 05:29, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: I'd try talking to Juliancolton first since the page was protected to enforce his closure. He's not around that much these days, but he drops by on occasion. If he doesn't respond to you in a few days, let me know and I'll consider undoing the salting as Mark Arsten is even less active. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: thanks for your response, I did leave a note on his talk page last 26th of Nov, and have not heard from him since, I figured you were right when you said he's not around much these days :), nevertheless, I will leave you to decide at your convenience, I don't mind waiting a few more days. Pseud 14 (talk) 06:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: unsalted. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: thank you sir! Truly appreciate your quick turnaround. Will start working on this soon as the PR and GOCE copy-edit have been completed for the main article. All the best! Pseud 14 (talk) 07:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: unsalted. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: thanks for your response, I did leave a note on his talk page last 26th of Nov, and have not heard from him since, I figured you were right when you said he's not around much these days :), nevertheless, I will leave you to decide at your convenience, I don't mind waiting a few more days. Pseud 14 (talk) 06:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
New Page Reviewing
Hello there, You have declined my request again. I want to help out in Reviewing new pages. Tell you what day I can request for it again. I understood its complete policies. Thanks -- HindWikiConnect 07:21, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- HindWIKI, that was Coffee, not me. Iridescent also expressed concerns. Including Primefac’s reviving you from AfC, four administrators have questioned whether or not you are competent enough to hold this permission. Coffee would be the person to contact about this particular request, but I doubt he will reverse his decision and I doubt you’d find an administrator who was willing to grant at this time. My advice to you as the admin who currently is doing most of the NPP coordination work is to come back in three months and focus on improving the encyclopedia and learning more about our policies and guidelines around deletion and inclusion. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)