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:::Thanks, I was unaware of it. Restored. [[User:Tombah|Tombah]] ([[User talk:Tombah#top|talk]]) 07:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Unaware of it in the sense of not looking through what you're reverting in the slightest? [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 09:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
::::Unaware of it in the sense of not looking through what you're reverting in the slightest? [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 09:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Many/most
It seems that you have developed a habit of making statements along the lines of many sources say, most academics say, or similar with no evidence to support same. I believe editor Iskandar has mentioned this as well. The latest case being at 2023 East Jerusalem synagogue shooting where it was trivial to disprove your edit summary "most sources describe Neve Ya'akov as a Jewish area of East Jerusalem (the term "settlement" is used by Al-Jazeera only, and "neighborhood" by Israeli media)".
Please don't do this. Selfstudier (talk) 11:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- It seems that you have developed a habit of directing me personally, since I typically don't hold the same views as you do with ARBPIA issues. After a second check, only 5 of the 14 sources cited in the article used that term, but somehow you prefer the minority view over the other, more neutral options. Please don't do this. Tombah (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- The ONUS is on you to prove statements that you make. Selfstudier (talk) 11:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia requires you to strive for neutrality, but you consistently seem to favor the viewpoint of one particular side. That is a problem. Tombah (talk) 12:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- If you have a problem with my editing, then take it up first with me on my talk page, not make such an accusation only when I raise a problem with your editing on your talk page. Recall that this section is actually about your making unfounded assertions. Selfstudier (talk) 12:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia requires you to strive for neutrality, but you consistently seem to favor the viewpoint of one particular side. That is a problem. Tombah (talk) 12:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- The ONUS is on you to prove statements that you make. Selfstudier (talk) 11:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Again...?
Tombah. You've 'restored' things twice today, as noted in your edit summaries, in two separate edits. This is two reverts, within 24 hours, again. You know what you need to do. Please stop making this something that you need to be reminded of. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi there. Sorry, I didn't consider it to be a breach of 1RR because there were two restorations of distinct materials, but if you say it is, you are probably right. Anyway, I notice that others have already reverted my edit. Tombah (talk) 06:55, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- The revert rules apply to the same or different material. See WP:3RR for more details. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- By the way, I intend to revert it back right now. Several days have passed, and the ONUS, as far as I know, is on the ones who want the change the material. Tombah (talk) 06:55, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
DYK for Khirbet Kurkush
On 12 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Khirbet Kurkush, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that archeologists disagree about whether the ancient necropolis discovered in Khirbet Kurkush (tomb pictured) was used by Jews, Samaritans or pagans? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Khirbet Kurkush. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Khirbet Kurkush), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Jizya
Please clean up the mistakes you have inserted about people paying Jizya tax in the Sanjak Nablus in 1596. (How on earth do you get a wholly Muslim popualtion to pay Jizya??) Again, please read Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, p.74, which explains it, Huldra (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Huldra, that's how Zertal renders it in the Manasseh Hill Survey books when quoting them. Can you share a link to the original source? Tombah (talk) 06:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Where does Zertal mentions Jizya? I cannot see that he mentions it at all, at least not under that name in vol 3. Please give me the volume and page numbers of where Zertal says this. And how on earch do you, or Zertal, get that the residents paid Jizya tax,......when they were all Muslims! Please read Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, p.74, (It is not online) -they explains it, Huldra (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- He spells it jizia, with an i instead of y. Take a look at Vol. 3, p. 378 for Arrabeh, p. 386 for Jami’ Ṭubrus, p. 390 for Zeita, p. 401 for Seida, p. 409 for Fahma, p. 417 for Attil, p. 420 for Illar and p. 455 for Balah. 21:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- By the way, it doesn't odd to me at all - I won't be surprised if they were still Samaritans before the census but were forced to convert right away, so they were registered as Muslims, but paid jizya before that. In the late Ottoman era, Conder and other explorers had already written on the holiness that certain Muslim fellahin ascribed to Samaritan sanctuaries. It makes complete sense to me, especially in light of the fact that other Muslim families in villages in the same area are still aware of their Samaritan ancestry several centuries after their conversion to Islam. Tombah (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Obviously Zertal has got it wrong; take p. 378 Arraba; he writes "300 for jizia (Hütteroth and ‘Abdulfattah 1977: 128). So Zertal's only source for his "jizia" is HA (=Hütteroth and ‘Abdulfattah). And Zertal gets his numbers wrong: nowhere does Zertal mention the number 300 for Arraba. (I have updated the Arraba, Jenin -figures). So lets see what HA p 128 says about Arraba, Jenin:
- 1)M3 2)Q 3) 'Arraba 4) 5)169/171 6)Pal.100 8)81/31 11)112 13)33,3% 14)17040 15)1500 16)2683 17)2500 27)1000 28)1000 30)12 34)3840 36)29575
- The Hütteroth key then explains what 1) 2) 3) etc stands for. As you can see from the article, 5) is Palestine grid. 14), 15) 16), and 17) is for wheat, barley, summer crops and olive trees. It is 34) which is of interest to us here, and the key gives:
- 34) jizya =poll tax on Christians and Jews
- 'adat rijaliyya =customary tax on subjects (only for moslems in liwa' Nablus)
- Since this is liwa Nablus, and there are 0 non-Muslims ( 9) gives the Christian population, and 10) gives the Jewish population: if anything isn't mention, it means it is equal to 0)., then 34) clearly gives the 'adat rijaliyya tax, and not Jizya. Again, please read Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, p.74 (Apparetly Zertal never did)
- As for what makes "complete sense" to you: that the Ottoman authorities should actually give a tax on Muslims because they once were Jews/Samaritans: that sounds completely absurd to me, and I have never heard of anything like it. (And that would work as a detriment to conversion to Islam: why convert to Islam if you were given your old "extra taxes"?)
- In short: go to the source, when in doubt. Pinging User:Zero0000, User:Bolter21, and User:Davidbena (I believe you all have access to HA?) Huldra (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- My only guess is that Zertal may have been referring to a different "Arraba," just as we find a Arraba, Israel in Sanjak Safad. There may have been another village by the same name, where there were non-Muslims who were required to pay the jizya (poll-tax). Another option is to explain the sense as meaning ʻadat rijaliyya. By the way, the links that Tombah places for some of the abovementioned towns and villages are plainly misplaced. See for example his links to Seida and Balah. As for the 1977 book published by Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, I last used this book when I borrowed a copy from the National Library of Israel in Jerusalem, when we incorporated their data into the Bayt Nattif article. I may have used it also for the Adullam article. I do not own a personal copy.Davidbena (talk) 03:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Huldra is correct, see Talk:Attil#jizya. Also note that for 'Arraba the amount of the poll tax on Muslims calculated as HA specify is 81x40+31x20=3860, a very near miss to 3840. No room for any jizya here. Zerotalk 03:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Where does Zertal mentions Jizya? I cannot see that he mentions it at all, at least not under that name in vol 3. Please give me the volume and page numbers of where Zertal says this. And how on earch do you, or Zertal, get that the residents paid Jizya tax,......when they were all Muslims! Please read Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, p.74, (It is not online) -they explains it, Huldra (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
tag
why did you remove the tag in your blanket revert? nableezy - 07:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Which tag? Tombah (talk) 07:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- my guy, please just look at the diff. and please just restore the tag, even if you dont agree with it. its at the start of the revert. nableezy - 07:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was unaware of it. Restored. Tombah (talk) 07:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Unaware of it in the sense of not looking through what you're reverting in the slightest? Iskandar323 (talk) 09:14, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was unaware of it. Restored. Tombah (talk) 07:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- my guy, please just look at the diff. and please just restore the tag, even if you dont agree with it. its at the start of the revert. nableezy - 07:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Michael Oren trivia added by non-ECU
Could you please take a look at this shit?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1152834872