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*You recently speedily deleted [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody]], saying at [[WP:ANI]]: ''"I have speedy-deleted [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody]] as an attack page."'' I would appreciate it if you would do the same for another attack page, [[User:Justanother/Smee (formerly Smeelgova)]]. Thank you for your time. Yours, [[User:Smee|Smee]] 19:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC). |
*You recently speedily deleted [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody]], saying at [[WP:ANI]]: ''"I have speedy-deleted [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody]] as an attack page."'' I would appreciate it if you would do the same for another attack page, [[User:Justanother/Smee (formerly Smeelgova)]]. Thank you for your time. Yours, [[User:Smee|Smee]] 19:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC). |
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:I don't see complete similarity - it looks to me like preparations for an RfC, but I could be missing something. You might nominate it for deletion with a <nowiki>{{Template:Db-attack}}</nowiki>, or take it to [[WP:MFD|misc. for deletion]]. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC) |
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Blocking IP 213.42.2.22
This appeared when I attempted to edit a page. In the UAE, most connections go through the sole ISP which dynamically assigns IP addresses. Therefore, when you block one, you are making it difficult for a large number of users. The one you want to target simply needs to wait a few seconds or minutes for his/her IP to change. Or disconnect and reconnect.
About HP 10 series link removed
Hello,
I added the links to the several HP "voyager" calculator. Yes you're right, one link to MyCalcDB.free.fr is enough, but no it's not 6 time the same link : it's each time for 1 calculator type.
So please, think to the user which can easely follow the link to one of the 6 DIFFERENT calculators, and let them like I did.
Thanks
Philippe
copyrighted photograph
Uh,
I see you surf into the Bomb Disposal page. Snozzer has added a photograph that is copyrighted. It's from the cover of a Peter Birchall book. He claims it is his own.
I am not going back to the Bomb Disposal page, could you look into this?
-Shawn srh@esper.com High Order1
John Robert Kinahan
Sorry Wrong Kinahan. I mean't George Henry Kinahan a noted Irish geologist. Please delete asapNotafly
comment for DerwinUMD
I do believe it is you who undid my edits twice because you disliked my phrasing. The contributions I added to the page had nothing to do with the phrasing you did not like. I resent you threatining me with banisment because I attempted to restore my own edits which a user blindly removed (i.e. his edits made no sense and removed information pertinant to the topic). Please read over the whole history before sending me the threatening message. Secondly, the changes I had made had seemed to be the consensus(sp) of the talk page for the article, which one user had not read and changed the article against that found consencus(sp). Please take back your threatening words or atleast consider the circumstance before you make accusations. Thanks, DerwinUMD 23:29 10 December 2006 (UTC)
9-11 Truth
I appreciate your open mindedness into other people's thought process. The 9-11 truth movment is not a bunch of people trying to convince everyone that the government perpitrated 9-11. Its a bunch of people trying to get the government to stop refusing to investigate anything other than the offical story presented on day 1. NIST refused to investigate the theories. The 9-11 Commision refused to investigate them. Perhaps they are wrong, but what is the harm in looking.
You tout yourself as a defender of wikipedia from "9-11 conspiracy theories," when what you are really doing is oppressing people who only want to ask "what?" not "what if?"
"9/11 Truth is the lowest form of conspiracy theory, because it doesn't offer an affirmative theory of the crime."
"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method,'" Eagar said. "They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
Those two comments seem to contradict eachother. How can you criticize people for not having a theory at all, and then jump on them for testing any theory the come up with?
Indeed they contradict each other. What you are saying is exactly what the government is doing with their affirmative version. As David Griffin said: "of all the conspiracy theories, the official one is the most absurd". Because the fact that the version of the government is the only theory that really used this 'reverse scientific method'.
Perhaps many of the theories have been absurd, but let the truth sort that out, not you, oh mighty purveyor of truth.
DerwinUMD 00:26 December 11, 2006. (UTC)
Poll on every little issue
Please sign if any of these things applies to your understanding of this issue. Please put you name under all of the options you think would be acceptable. You can sign all or none of these, I'm hoping this will give us a more-fine grained understanding of the issue.
Per this admin's request, I have initiated WP:RFAR action against you
Per this admin's request, I have initiated WP:RFAR action against you. Observe:
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#GordonWatts
--GordonWatts 07:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Your edit war warning
I would like you to take note of the fact that I have discussed my rationale for every edit on the talk page, whereas your previous revert came with no discussion. It also appears that you have not carefully followed the discussion, because when you did participate, you wrongly concluded that there was some dispute over whether Lyn Marcus was the same person as Lyndon LaRouche.
That being said, I don't intent to break the 3rr rule -- even though BLP edits are exempt. I presume that you are an admin. How about enforcing some of the other policies, such as WP:BLP, WP:COI#Citing_oneself and WP:FRINGE? Input of that sort is badly needed. --Tsunami Butler 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I also note that you deleted various citation requests that I had added to article. Was this intentional on your part? Are you going to object if I restore them? --Tsunami Butler 22:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I will be glad if you do not edit war. A revert is undoing another editor's work. See the policy for details. Three reverts is not a daily entitlement. If I have anything to say about LaRouche's political views, I'll say it on the article talk page. It does begin to look like you are using the LarRouche page to prosecute some kind of thing against Berlet or Political Research Associates. Please don't do that. Tom Harrison Talk 22:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I too have found Tom Harrison's edits often controverisal and hidden behind his admin. privelages. DerwinUMD 19:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Tom, according to BLP, "Editors should remove any contentious material about living persons that is unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Attribution, or is a conjectural interpretation of a source. Where the information is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced, the three-revert rule does not apply." If you are an admin, it is your responsibility to enforce this fairly and impartially, regardless of whether SlimVirgin or Cberlet are your buddies. --Tsunami Butler 01:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- The material you keep removing is well sourced, as has been said at length on the talk page. Tom Harrison Talk 12:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Unprotecting needed
Tom, would you kindly unprotect Muhammad/images? The sprotection has been in effect for a very long time and articles aren't supposed to be permanently protected. Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- The semiprotection expires automatically on 16 March.[2] ElinorD (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't oppose unprotection, but you should probably ask User:Majorly, who is the one in the protection log. Tom Harrison Talk 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Re: My "cabal" comment... the fact that the image is sprotected is part of the reason I mentioned that word. If you found that comment uncivil or otherwise insulting please accept my apologies. (→Netscott) 19:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, don't worry about it. Tom Harrison Talk 19:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- What's the point of un-semiprotecting? All that is likely to happen is that sockpuppets and anonpuppets will proceed to edit-war, causing stress until it is semi-protected once again.Proabivouac 21:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- It has to be unprotected eventually, but if people disagree about removing sprotection now, it should be requested at WP:RFPP. Tom Harrison Talk 21:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Re: My "cabal" comment... the fact that the image is sprotected is part of the reason I mentioned that word. If you found that comment uncivil or otherwise insulting please accept my apologies. (→Netscott) 19:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Usernames with "truth"
Re User:For Truth's Sake!, I propose that all usernames with "truth" in them be blocked on sight. No, it would never fly, but heuristically this may be without equal as a predictor of tendentious editing.Proabivouac 21:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- It would be nice if we could somehow divert those usernames to a sandbox. They would think they were editing Wikipedia, but only they would see the changes. Tom Harrison Talk 21:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Help!
I'm just an ogre...can you help me help another and get the two templates in an article to stack up on top of one another? On the Neoplatonism and Gnosticism article, we're tryng to get the "Platonism" infobox to stack above the "Gnosticism" infobox, akin to what can be seen on the September 11, 2001 attacks article. I know you can do it...I have faith in you! Thanks in advance.--MONGO 13:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'll take a look. Tom Harrison Talk 13:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've tried several different combinations and for some stupid reaosn, all my efforts have failed in the preview mode..I can't seem to find a guide as to how to anywhere either...oh well.--MONGO 13:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know if there is a guide to formating - maybe there is something on meta. I think it has to do with the internals of how the templates are set to display. To over-ride this, I put one in a div. I'm no template expert, but it seems like templates in general should not have any more formating than they need for internal use. Tom Harrison Talk 13:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- And now the white space is a problem... Tom Harrison Talk 13:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Check it now...this is as close as I can get it.--MONGO 14:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- That looks good. I'll look around and see if I can find anything else. Tom Harrison Talk 14:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like Aude saved the day...again...I think she must have gone to college or something.--MONGO 14:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- That looks good. I'll look around and see if I can find anything else. Tom Harrison Talk 14:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Check it now...this is as close as I can get it.--MONGO 14:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've tried several different combinations and for some stupid reaosn, all my efforts have failed in the preview mode..I can't seem to find a guide as to how to anywhere either...oh well.--MONGO 13:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Gilad Atzmon
Re: Gilad Atzmon: ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING I have posted about Gilad Atzmon is true and easily documented: he IS [removed per blp] and many more things I could have added. It is neccessary to know such things in order for a reader to obtain a truly non-POV balanced assesment of a man who whatever his musical talents is clearly a [removed per blp]. This information is simply factual; and attempts to remove this constitute censorship. Felix-felix has consistently sought to remove virtually any material about Atzmon that could prove in the least bit unflattering. It is HIS clearly POV edits that should be targeted for blocking.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Antifascist"
- Controversial material about living people must be attributed to a reliable source. Tom Harrison Talk 17:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Unexamined cultural bias: bad thing?
That was truly a brilliant question.Proabivouac 22:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well thank you, that's nice to hear. Tom Harrison Talk 22:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Just wanted to say thank you for the quick block on the user vandalizing the Peter Pace page. Cheers--Looper5920 23:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome; I'm glad I could help. Tom Harrison Talk 23:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
re: pronunciation
Agreed. I can be a little pointlessly obsessive about using the IPA sometimes, even in non-linguistics articles. I'll try to include or at least preserve more layperson friendly guides in future edits. --Krsont 00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I think that will give us the best of both. And after all, if we weren't a bit obssesive we wouldn't be volunteer encyclopedia writers, would we? Tom Harrison Talk 01:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
edit warring
In this message which you left on my talk page, you asked me to "Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly," warning me also that "users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page." In the spirit of fairness, I am asking you to review the edit history of "Political Cult" to see whether you ought to make a similar warning to User:Dking. --Tsunami Butler 13:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you think he is edit warring, report him on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Tom Harrison Talk 13:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- You told me that "users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule." I am asking you to be even-handed here; Dking is attempting to dominate the aforementioned article in violation of WP:OWN, and I would like to think that you intervened in my case because of a general concern for the project, and not because of some particular POV you may share with Dking, Cberlet or SlimVirgin. --Tsunami Butler 02:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Need advice
I am trying to figure out what the proper steps are for dealing with a dispute involving User:Intangible2.0. There have been discussions, polls, RFC's, requests for mediation (failed when a thord party declined), etc. I believe this is the same user as User:Intangible, who you blocked briefly for disruptive editing. User:Intangible was put on probation. I think problematic editing is happening again, but have no idea if probation rolls over to new accounts. The pages involved are Nazism, National Socialism, National socialism, National Socialism (disambiguation), Fascism, and several others. See, for example: here, and the discussion here, where User:Intangible2.0 posts a poll, and then spends the rest of the talk page refusing to accept the majority view. Any advice gratefully accepted.--Cberlet 15:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was not the one who started the debate on how to (re-)name the Nazism article. [3]
- I initiated a poll after reading upon on the naming policy:Avoid the use of abbreviations, including acronyms, in page naming unless the term you are naming is almost exclusively known only by its abbreviation and is widely known and used in that form. [4] I still hold that Wikipedia policy should be followed. Most of the votes in the poll were in support of a guideline instead (WP:COMMONNAME), instead of supporting the more important Wikipedia policy itself.
- There is another issue with if National socialism and National Socialism should redirect to National Socialism (disambiguation), or not. This is dealt with in Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Which is a different Wikipedia policy/guideline altogether (see Talk:National socialism and Talk:National Socialism), and is a different debate. Here User:Cberlet initiated a poll [5], while solliciting for votes.[6].
- See Wikipedia:Straw polls. Intangible2.0 16:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- The remedy goes with the editor, not with the account. If Intangible disrupts articles related to National Socialism, he can be banned from them. As of now the consensus is that National Socialism and National socialism should redirect to the disambiguation page. Changing that twice against this consensus was disruptive. Under terms of the arbcom remedy, Intangible 2.0 is banned for one week from National socialism, National Socialism, and National Socialism (disambiguation). Tom Harrison Talk 17:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Not to be snippy, but what consensus? What Wikipedia policy has been followed? It certainly wasn;t WP:DAB, because nobody except me even mentioned the proper policy. Intangible2.0 18:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm one of editors who edits those articles and, coming back from weekend, I was unpleasantly surprised to find Intangible banned. You banned him on a basis that he acted against consensus. However, there is no consensus on whether National Socialism should be redirected to Nazism or to the disambiguation page. On a closer inspection of Talk:Nazism you will find that 8 users support redirect to Nazism: Lygophile, Slrubenstein, Jmabel, Mitsos, Flammingo, Xyzzy n , Intangible and me; one users is perfectly ok with it: Nikodemos, and one user supports redirecting Nazism to National Socialism: Argyriou. There are 9 users who support redirect to disambiguation page. So there are 19 users who stated their opinion on this, and only 9 support redirect to disambiguation page. That is not even a majority, and you are talking about consensus. Please reconsider his ban. Thanks. -- Vision Thing -- 21:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see that being the case on the talk page; I see a clear consensus to redirect to the disambiguation page. If I'm wrong and there is strong support for redirecting to nazism instead, someone else will redirect it there. Tom Harrison Talk 21:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I provided you with diffs. Point is that users who support original redirect to Nazism, including Intangible and me, choose not to vote in Cberlet's straw poll. -- Vision Thing -- 21:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- If they want it redirected, they will redirect it. I will not lift the ban, but feel free to ask someone else, or ask for review somewhere. Tom Harrison Talk 22:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I provided you with diffs. Point is that users who support original redirect to Nazism, including Intangible and me, choose not to vote in Cberlet's straw poll. -- Vision Thing -- 21:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I started to block this IP, an left a notice at the Talk page, only to find that you'd just blocked it — and were probably wondering what on Earth my notice was there for. Two minds with but a single thought. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Heh; I guess I block first and notify later... Tom Harrison Talk 13:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Tom, are you aware that although others are claiming they are one and the same, the checkuser evidence was never conclusive about these two accounts? Having seen the unfolding of this story I can tell you that there were serious differences in editing styles and character between these two users. User:BhaiSaab was given a definitive ban relative to his conflict with User:Hkelkar which was a separate issue from HE. I don't see it as fair at all that these two are being lumped together given the significant differences the two accounts exhibited with respect to each other. (→Netscott) 20:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Having some experience myself with Amibidhrohi/His excellency and his other socks, I understand that BhaiSaab is a different person. I have not dealt much with BhaiSaab. My recommendation to indefinitely ban His excellency is independent of anyone's opinion about BhaiSaab. Tom Harrison Talk 20:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I understand that. Would you kindly state that on WP:CN User:Rama's Arrow seems to think everyone's supporting User:BhaiSaab's indefinite block, which is obviously not the case. Thanks. (→Netscott) 20:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have no opinion on BhaiSaab's case. Rama's Arrow seems to understand they are two different people, and I think it is pretty clear that my remarks apply to His excellency. Tom Harrison Talk 20:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- In requesting me to assist in having the tags on his sockpuppets deleted and traces of his connection to this latest HE nonsense TU made an agreement with me to not further sockpuppet and instead seek the assistance of admins. I fulfilled my side of the agreement. It is nonsense that he's sockpuppeting and thereby avoiding the scrutiny of his biases by other editors as he's been commenting via sockpuppets on HE/BS's community banning case. The right to vanish was not meant to be abused in such a way. (→Netscott) 14:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Community consensus is clear on HE but it is frustrating that BhaiSaab is being thrown into the mix when he's had nothing to do with HE disruption and while everyone is supporting HE's banning they appear to be supporting BS's banning due to how the WP:CN talk was presented. BhaiSaab was disruptive mostly related to his conflict with User:Hkelkar unlike HE who was generally disruptive. This is a significant part of the reason that I think BhaiSaab could return to the contributor he was prior to his involvement with Hkelkar. (→Netscott) 14:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's not unreasonable to use a sock to avoid harassment outside of Wikipedia. Something could also be said about restoring attacks by a banned user, or acting as a proxy for a banned user. But if a reasonable agreement has been reached, I'll drop it. Certainly His excellency's was a contentious and even bitter arbitration that included attacks on me as well (though less serious than those on others). As I said, I know little about BhaiSaab, so I'll defer to others' opinions on banning him. Tom Harrison Talk 14:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- It is unreasonable when you're using the sock towards furthering the possibility to someone being community banned. It is wrong to hide one's bias in such a case through such usage of a sockpuppet. Besides where was TU ever threatened? TU was removing commentary as a sockpuppet claiming a "personal attack". Given that two other separate individuals who've not been involved with this case other than right now restored the same commentary as well it seems rather clear that the commentary wasn't a personal attack. I respected your removal of that commentary due to the fact that you weren't puppeting. I share User:Yamla's view that the accused should have the possibility to participate in his community bannishment proceedings. If BhaiSaab's unjustified indefinite block (here he's paying for HE's disruption) were lifted I would drop this whole thing. (→Netscott) 14:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- You know even TU using one of his sockpuppets expressed support for BhaiSaab. (→Netscott) 15:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to read up on BhaiSaab's case. It might be tomorrow morning before I know enough to say anything about it. Tom Harrison Talk 15:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- That would be appreciated Tom. Also if you could take a look at this talk on User:Rama's Arrow's talk page and possibly contribute that'd be helpful as well. Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Tom, User:BhaiSaab is requesting a temporary unblock so that he can comment on his community banning case. Would you kindly allow him the dignity to do so? Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- That would be appreciated Tom. Also if you could take a look at this talk on User:Rama's Arrow's talk page and possibly contribute that'd be helpful as well. Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- It is unreasonable when you're using the sock towards furthering the possibility to someone being community banned. It is wrong to hide one's bias in such a case through such usage of a sockpuppet. Besides where was TU ever threatened? TU was removing commentary as a sockpuppet claiming a "personal attack". Given that two other separate individuals who've not been involved with this case other than right now restored the same commentary as well it seems rather clear that the commentary wasn't a personal attack. I respected your removal of that commentary due to the fact that you weren't puppeting. I share User:Yamla's view that the accused should have the possibility to participate in his community bannishment proceedings. If BhaiSaab's unjustified indefinite block (here he's paying for HE's disruption) were lifted I would drop this whole thing. (→Netscott) 14:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- In requesting me to assist in having the tags on his sockpuppets deleted and traces of his connection to this latest HE nonsense TU made an agreement with me to not further sockpuppet and instead seek the assistance of admins. I fulfilled my side of the agreement. It is nonsense that he's sockpuppeting and thereby avoiding the scrutiny of his biases by other editors as he's been commenting via sockpuppets on HE/BS's community banning case. The right to vanish was not meant to be abused in such a way. (→Netscott) 14:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
A Force upon the Plain
Glad you liked it. I hope to find time and mood to read it through. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Blocking
Hi there, I believe that you blocked user:65.30.216.195 for seven days; would be grateful if you could mention this on the user page. Thanks. Fourohfour 14:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Done, thanks. Tom Harrison Talk 14:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Cheers! Fourohfour 14:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
NPOV dispute
If you believe there is no credible claim of NPOV dispute at Political views of Lyndon LaRouche, why don't you explain your reasoning on the talk page, rather than just feeding the revert war frenzy? --NathanDW 16:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Tom, I've just archived my talk page. My response to you is here. Cheers. (→Netscott) 17:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I basically agree. Maybe we can end the transclusion within the week if all goes well. There does seem to be a rough consensus for the current presentation. Tom Harrison Talk 17:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- How about Friday then? (→Netscott) 17:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- That sounds fine to me. Tom Harrison Talk 20:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- How about Friday then? (→Netscott) 17:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
re: is this correct?
yes, that looks right for American English pronunciation. --Krsont 22:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Good to see you
on this article Tom... as it needs serious help right now. Cheers. (→Netscott) 22:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's an important article that must neither villify or whitewash anything. I hope that we can all work together to make it everything it can be. Tom Harrison Talk 12:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I reverted someone who was insisting that to be born slave you must have two slave parents, because it's wrong. Unsupported by fact. My reasons are on talk. You can only be born free from a slave parent if your father is the master/owner of your mother (in Islamic slavery). Reference is from the work of Levy.DavidYork71 14:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Completely agree with you Tom in terms of whitewashing and villification. Another problem is that there seems to be some confusion on the part of certain editors who want to blanket ascribe Islam to the Arab slave trade. I understand the confusion given Islam's historical origins in Arab lands but still the distinction is an important one. Thanks. (→Netscott) 17:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was just looking at Arab slave trade, and wondering how the two pages should be arranged. I imagine some overlap is necessary, but we may want to think about how to divide up the content: Theory/parctice, East/west, general/specific, Ottoman empire/Arabic-speaking peoples, or something else? Tom Harrison Talk 17:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I reverted someone who was insisting that to be born slave you must have two slave parents, because it's wrong. Unsupported by fact. My reasons are on talk. You can only be born free from a slave parent if your father is the master/owner of your mother (in Islamic slavery). Reference is from the work of Levy.DavidYork71 14:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I have emailed to your address the EoI and EoQ articles on Slavery. Cheers, --Aminz 01:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll read them as soon as I can. Tom Harrison Talk 01:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
What are you doing?
What on earth are you doing? -Lapinmies 14:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Helping to write an encyclopedia supported by reliable sources. You? Tom Harrison Talk 14:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Trying to use common sense and avoid wikilawyering. -Lapinmies 15:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well then I guess we are both virtuous people. Tom Harrison Talk 15:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, this bothers me. The picture shows nothing but I can't fix it, why not? -Lapinmies 15:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think the caption is accurate. It is from the security camera footage showing American Airlines Flight 77 just before impact. Maybe something like 'showing the pentagon just before flight 77's hit it' would also work. Inaccurately implying that anything other than flight 77 hit the pentagon would not be suitable. There are extensive archives of Talk:9/11 conspiracy theories. Tom Harrison Talk 15:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- I am not claiming that it was not AA77, just that the picture is not clear enough for a caption like that. -Lapinmies 15:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
About freezing an article
I suppose William Connelly asked you to freeze Scientific data archiving. It is a nice trick to get the article frozen just after he reverted the new version that clarified a misunderstanding. It would have been nice if other editors would have had a chance to read it so they could discuss it. Can I learn this trick for future use? RonCram 14:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- You have quite a sense of humor there Tom. Unfortunately, you didn't answer the question. RonCram 15:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Muhammad images
Tom, perhaps you could draft up some sort of warning language in hidden comment style to go near the diputed images explaining to people to discuss image changes on the talk page prior to making them? (→Netscott) 19:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, couldn't hurt. I'll put something in. Tom Harrison Talk 19:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to adjust the language. Tom Harrison Talk 19:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Tom Harrison is a censoring, gatekeeping agent of disinformation who suppresses the truths about 9/11
Even when limited-hangout gatekeeping liar Steven E. Jones has been caught lying with his own mouth, in an overt, blatantly false act of gatekeeping (falsely ruling out the possibility -- contrary to the evidence -- of a nuclear even having occurred at "Ground Zero" at the WTC in NYC), Censoring Agent Tom Harrison persists in protecting the good name and reputation of his fellow dishonest disinformation agent.
So just how much is the covert/shadow government paying you, Agent Harrison, to suppress all of the information which makes it clear just how impossible it is to honestly blame/fear/loathe Muslims for 9/11?
George Orwell told us that lies of omission are the worst.
Tom Harrison is the worst kind of liar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.228.87.143 (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
Tom Harrison's Crimes Against Truth
Even when limited-hangout gatekeeping liar Steven E. Jones has been caught lying with his own mouth, in an overt, blatantly false act of gatekeeping (falsely ruling out the possibility -- contrary to the evidence[7] -- of a nuclear(-like) event having occurred at "Ground Zero" at the WTC in NYC), Censoring Disinformation Agent Tom Harrison persists in protecting the good name and reputation of his fellow dishonest disinformation agent.
So just how much is the covert/shadow government paying you, Agent Harrison, to suppress all of the information which makes it clear just how impossible it is to honestly blame/fear/loathe Muslims for 9/11?
George Orwell told us that lies of omission are the worst.
Tom Harrison has thus repeatedly proven himself to be the worst kind of liar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.228.87.143 (talk • contribs).
- Or the best kind of Gate-Keeper. Gold stars in my book. MortonDevonshire Yo · 01:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
How much
does it pay? I might have to join up there... heh. :-) (→Netscott) 23:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- We only get paid in Hegelian Fakeybucks, and there is no health plan. I think the Illuminati get a better deal. Tom Harrison Talk 23:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Mongo
Hi Tom, after thinking about it for a while, I've decided to make one last attempt at finding a way to keep working on Wikipedia. Thanks for trying the mediation route, but I think an RfC is now the best way foward. (Unless you have a better idea, of course.) Here's a draft of a statement of the dispute user:Thomas Basboll/Sandbox. I'm not going to post it until after Easter because I'll be away from the Internet next week. In the meantime, your comments are of course very welcome. I'm not especially optimistic about this approach, actually, but I don't want to leave for good without trying it. I still consider myself unwelcome on Mongo's talk page, so I would appreciate it if you let him know for me. He is also welcome to comment on the draft before I post it if he wants. Happy editing,--Thomas Basboll 15:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Rfc is ridiculous and I won't be contributing to it at all...as far as I am concerned, it is borderline harassment.--MONGO 21:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to make the final version less ridiculous. I imagine that one (very unlikely) outcome of the RfC is precisely that my actions (including the act of filing the RfC) will be deemed inappropriate, perhaps even a form of harassment (though that would really surprise me). The point of the RfC is to get the community's view of this dispute before I make a decision to return to editing Wikipedia articles or stay away for good. Given those two possible outcomes, and the possible effect it might have on the tone on the 9/11 articles in general, I would think many people could have an interest in contributing to it. Best,--Thomas Basboll 07:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Rfc is a hostile action...but since you yourself linked in that Rfc to a discussion on my talkpage in which you told me I was a man of a particular kind of science, I expect no less. If I have anything more to say on the matter, I will do so on the Rfc talkpage, but it's highly unlikely I'll bother. The only person keeping you from editing is you...there are over 1.6 million articles to work on.--MONGO 10:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try to make the final version less ridiculous. I imagine that one (very unlikely) outcome of the RfC is precisely that my actions (including the act of filing the RfC) will be deemed inappropriate, perhaps even a form of harassment (though that would really surprise me). The point of the RfC is to get the community's view of this dispute before I make a decision to return to editing Wikipedia articles or stay away for good. Given those two possible outcomes, and the possible effect it might have on the tone on the 9/11 articles in general, I would think many people could have an interest in contributing to it. Best,--Thomas Basboll 07:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Full protection on: Taco Bell
Please explain why have you unprotected the article: Taco Bell? — zero » 03:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I protected it, then thought better of it and undid myself. If you think it should be protected, ask at requests for page protection. Tom Harrison Talk 03:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Heads-Up
The IP I am currently visiting from: 66.193.126.2 Is a School IP, and is scheduled to be unblocked on April 6, 2007. I figured I should register to mention this, As it may or may not help.
Thanks, From a member of the school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WarningSchool (talk • contribs) 18:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for editing. The "case" is something of a rhetorical joke, given that many people that fall into this category treat their reviews as legal appeals. However, you did edit the page, so no fine is payable. ;-) Chris cheese 01:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Then my edit must have been like the flowers that bloom in the spring. ;-) Tom Harrison Talk 01:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
7 World Trade Center
Great edit. I am trying to stimulate some improvement of the article and it seems I have incurred MONGO's annoyance as a result. Edits like yours, which add well-referenced data to the article are what we really need; we should be able to aspire to make this a FA-class article. Keep it up. --Guinnog 17:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, thanks, you are very kind, but aren't you complaining that Mongo is not extending to others the presumption of good faith you are denying him? If you are going to leave me a 'compliment' and then take advantage of it to attack someone, I'd rather forgo the compliment. Tom Harrison Talk 17:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nah, point taken, but I did not attack anyone. I assume good faith in all editors and MONGO has been annoyed that I removed what I thought was a mistaken vandalism template he applied to a new user who was (I think) trying to improve the article. Such templates are only to be used where there has been unambiguous intentional damage to the article. None of us likes to have our errors pointed out, but to characterise this as an attack would be a serious misunderstanding. --Guinnog 17:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's inappropriate that you would threaten administrative action against MONGO in an article that you substantively edit. It's well-known that you sympathize with the 9/11 conspiracy theory point of view. If you think he's doing something wrong, perhaps you should invite a non-CT-Admin to review the action. MortonDevonshire Yo · 17:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Guinnog, are you suffering from a misundertstanding of WP:BLP? Surely you must be. Wikipedia could be sued if edits such as this are allowed to stand! You must be kidding! You should be exercising your admin powers appropriately by notifying offending parties such as him that those kinds of edits if continued can and will result in blocks. Instead, you removed my warning and welcomed him...I'm flabbergasted! If that is what can be construed as article "improvement" in your eyes, then I don't know what to say.--MONGO 17:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- MONGO, no, I believe I understand BLP as well as you do. My point was the newby user may not have done, and will not have been helped by the inaccurate warning you placed. As I said, the more accurate one placed by Tbeatty will have been more productive. I will not respond to Morton's ludicrous post, except to point out that I at no point threatened any admin action.--Guinnog 18:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Here's your threat: "I won't edit war with you, but I guarantee that I will take this further if you do not correct your well-meaning error." diff of 15:12 31 March 2007 MortonDevonshire Yo · 18:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- My warning wasn't "inaccurate"...your welcoming a vandal and removing my warning is as big a case of vandalism as has occurred in this situation. His edit was indeed nonsense...that was a standard {{subst:test2}} warning I placed regarding his overt vandalism and as the template states "nonsense". You could have very well have place the "productive" BLP info template as well.--MONGO 18:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- MONGO, no, I believe I understand BLP as well as you do. My point was the newby user may not have done, and will not have been helped by the inaccurate warning you placed. As I said, the more accurate one placed by Tbeatty will have been more productive. I will not respond to Morton's ludicrous post, except to point out that I at no point threatened any admin action.--Guinnog 18:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nah, point taken, but I did not attack anyone. I assume good faith in all editors and MONGO has been annoyed that I removed what I thought was a mistaken vandalism template he applied to a new user who was (I think) trying to improve the article. Such templates are only to be used where there has been unambiguous intentional damage to the article. None of us likes to have our errors pointed out, but to characterise this as an attack would be a serious misunderstanding. --Guinnog 17:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Possible vandalism at Islam and slavery
Hi Tom, User:Al-Zaidi persistently removes a sentence from that article that is a sourced, almost verbatim, entirely appropriate piece of information. This is his latest revert: [8]. I warned him about this vandalism: [9]. I have provided the exact referrence on the talk page, Aminz and Itaqallah have not objected to his, and Al-Zaidi persists in removing it despite my protests. I'm coming to you because of your involvement in that article. Could you do something about it? Thanks, Arrow740 03:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am currently busy at the moment and can not get heavily involved in the article. Anyways, here is the full quote summerized by Arrow as " In Shia jurisrudence, the master of a female slave may grant a third party the use of her for sexual relations".
- Imami Shiiites, for which one may refer to the classic work of al- Hilli, is indicative of attitudes sometimes considerably removed from the great Sunni principles. Among the solutions it offers we shall confine ourselves to the following, as being particularly revealing of some interesting legal or social viewpoints.
- The child born in wedlock does not follow the status of his mother, bond or free, but failing any stipulation to the contrary, is born free if either of his parents is free. If both are slaves but not of the same master, he belongs jointly to the masters of both parents. The master of a female slave may grant a third party the “ use ” of her, for purposes of work or sexual relations...
- First of all, these are examples where Shiasm has "considerably removed from the great Sunni principles" as the author says; hence it is best to add this sentence in contrast with another sentence giving the opinions of Sunni scholars, or state that this is where Shia laws are considerablly different from those of Sunnis. The original quote says: "The master of a female slave may grant a third party the “ use ” of her, for purposes of work or sexual relations."; the word "work" is absent in Arrow's summary. It could be added as well. --Aminz 05:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's in the concubinage section, and should be read in the context of the article. Arrow740 06:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
It will need to be worked out on the article talk page. Tentatively it looks to me like something we could include in the section on marriage and concubinage, but I'm not sure I feel strongly about it. Tom Harrison Talk 12:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Tom, small request of you. User:Ryulong seems to have inadvertently semi-protected User:Gwen Gale's talk page. He protected it for 3 hours but that was at 10:57 and it's now 14:51... can you look into this? Thanks. (→Netscott) 14:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- It looks like the protection has expired. Tom Harrison Talk 15:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Your recent speedy deletion
- You recently speedily deleted Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody, saying at WP:ANI: "I have speedy-deleted Wikipedia:Editor review/Anynobody as an attack page." I would appreciate it if you would do the same for another attack page, User:Justanother/Smee (formerly Smeelgova). Thank you for your time. Yours, Smee 19:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
- I don't see complete similarity - it looks to me like preparations for an RfC, but I could be missing something. You might nominate it for deletion with a {{Template:Db-attack}}, or take it to misc. for deletion. Tom Harrison Talk 20:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)