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Blocking IP 213.42.2.22
This appeared when I attempted to edit a page. In the UAE, most connections go through the sole ISP which dynamically assigns IP addresses. Therefore, when you block one, you are making it difficult for a large number of users. The one you want to target simply needs to wait a few seconds or minutes for his/her IP to change. Or disconnect and reconnect.
About HP 10 series link removed
Hello,
I added the links to the several HP "voyager" calculator. Yes you're right, one link to MyCalcDB.free.fr is enough, but no it's not 6 time the same link : it's each time for 1 calculator type.
So please, think to the user which can easely follow the link to one of the 6 DIFFERENT calculators, and let them like I did.
Thanks
Philippe
copyrighted photograph
Uh,
I see you surf into the Bomb Disposal page. Snozzer has added a photograph that is copyrighted. It's from the cover of a Peter Birchall book. He claims it is his own.
I am not going back to the Bomb Disposal page, could you look into this?
-Shawn srh@esper.com High Order1
John Robert Kinahan
Sorry Wrong Kinahan. I mean't George Henry Kinahan a noted Irish geologist. Please delete asapNotafly
comment for DerwinUMD
I do believe it is you who undid my edits twice because you disliked my phrasing. The contributions I added to the page had nothing to do with the phrasing you did not like. I resent you threatining me with banisment because I attempted to restore my own edits which a user blindly removed (i.e. his edits made no sense and removed information pertinant to the topic). Please read over the whole history before sending me the threatening message. Secondly, the changes I had made had seemed to be the consensus(sp) of the talk page for the article, which one user had not read and changed the article against that found consencus(sp). Please take back your threatening words or atleast consider the circumstance before you make accusations. Thanks, DerwinUMD 23:29 10 December 2006 (UTC)
9-11 Truth
I appreciate your open mindedness into other people's thought process. The 9-11 truth movment is not a bunch of people trying to convince everyone that the government perpitrated 9-11. Its a bunch of people trying to get the government to stop refusing to investigate anything other than the offical story presented on day 1. NIST refused to investigate the theories. The 9-11 Commision refused to investigate them. Perhaps they are wrong, but what is the harm in looking.
You tout yourself as a defender of wikipedia from "9-11 conspiracy theories," when what you are really doing is oppressing people who only want to ask "what?" not "what if?"
"9/11 Truth is the lowest form of conspiracy theory, because it doesn't offer an affirmative theory of the crime."
"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method,'" Eagar said. "They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
Those two comments seem to contradict eachother. How can you criticize people for not having a theory at all, and then jump on them for testing any theory the come up with?
Perhaps many of the theories have been absurd, but let the truth sort that out, not you, oh mighty purveyor of truth.
DerwinUMD 00:26 December 11, 2006. (UTC)
Existence of dispute in Antisemitism article
Hi Tom,
Hope everything is going well and Happy New Year!!
Some editors are disputing "the very existence of a dispute" on the Antisemitism article. Would you please have at the evidence provided here [1] and see if that testifies existence of at least some dispute over the neutrality of the article. Please sign your name if the evidences prove the existance of some sort of dispute over the neutrality. Thanks. --Aminz 12:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
It is a POV. Christians were not always doing what the Bible teaches. That's only Christians not Christianity. --Aminz 01:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Christianity was influential in the development of the modern ideas of tolerance(something which still many don't understood its value), I read it somewhere. --Aminz 01:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is the reference:
How the idea of religious toleration came to the West by By Perez Zagorin, Princeton University Press.
--Aminz 01:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The Muslim and Christian view of Jews were different. Muslims were viewing Jews as weak. To Muslims, their attempt to kill Jesus failed Muhammad overcame them. Muslims viewed them as being unable to stand in front of God's will and humbled whenever they wanted to do so. That's a crucial difference. Relation of Muhammad and Jews was not traditionally viewed as an important part of Muhammad's life (only in recent times it has been under focus). --Aminz 01:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, happy new year to you. Things are good so far, if busy.
- Yes, that is one view and may be presented as such, with due weight, etc. Christianity did maintain that whole "Christ killer" idea for far too long. Christians, and even secular, non-religious westerners, have persecuted Jews more than Muslims have. Looking at all of our articles on antisemitism, I think this balance is reflected. See Dreyfus Affair for one example. There are at least eight seperate pages on that. Historic Muslim attitudes toward Jews would be interesting only as history, but for the modern political situation.
- On the development of tolerence, I was reading about Tanzimat the other day - interesting stuff. I think over 2000 years of interaction among Jews, Christians, pagans, and Muslims there have been a lot of ideas traded one way and another. Hopefully we can all adopt the good ones and discard the bad ones.
- Tom Harrison Talk 02:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is a POV. And it should be presented with due weight. I, too, hope that we can all adopt the good ones and discard the bad ones. Cheers, --Aminz 02:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Autobiography
My name is John Riolo. What do I need to do to have my article about myself not deleted? I submitted it under my own name. jriolo@efn.org is my email address.
I was with the group PEOPLE! from it's conception during the period prior to signing with Capitol and the Hit Record "I LOVE YOU". I was the original founding member drummer along with the other founders Al Ribisi on guitar and organ, Geoff Levin on electric guitar, Rob Levin on electric bass, and Dave Anderson on acoustic guitar and vocals. This was the formative stage for PEOPLE! and we all wanted to perform somewhere in a Rock and Roll band and have some fun! I played with PEOPLE! with Dave taking care of the lead vocal chores and I continued with the band for about a year after that when Gene and Larry came onboard and replaced Dave. I stayed with PEOPLE! until Denny Fridkin replaced me in about January 1967. I was only a Junior in High School and the group PEOPLE! was about to go professional and tour extensively and I was not able to do those things at ripe age of 16-1/2 years, so it was necessary for them to find a replacement. It was absolutely necessary also for me to finish school at the famous Jesuit High School Bellarmine Prep and hang for a few more years with my wonderful parents George and Lucille Riolo, who provided me with a loving home to grow up in. I sure was a lucky guy to have worked with Larry Norman(who became the 'Godfather of Christian Music' and recorded well over 40 albums), my pal Al Ribisi(who owns LA Publishing and whose son is Giovanni the famous young actor), Geoff Levin(Film score composer, great musician, top LA Record Producer), his brother Robbie Levin(Clothing mongul turned Resort tycoon), and Gene Mason(Life long Professional Entertainer, Recording Artist, Bluegrass Picker).
Back in 1966, I was 16, and 21 year old PEOPLE! guitar player and leader Geoff Levin was giving guitar lessons downtown at Moyer Brothers Music to finance his music equipment habit and college expenses. Geoff had quite a few students but then a new student turned up for lessons one day. His name was Mike Hunter, aka Captain Mickey, the program director and main jock at the biggest local AM radio station in San Jose, California, KLIV. Mike just wanted to learn some guitar licks but before long Geoff realized what Captain Mikey might be able to do for PEOPLE! Geoff was cautious at first but then approached him straight up to see if he was interested in managing a new Rock and Roll band. I can remember practicing some songs very thoroughly so we could impress Captain Mickey when he came by to see us over at the Ribisi Garage where we always practiced. Al's parents were very supportive of our music from the start. His Dad, who was a very busy surgeon at O'Conner Hospital, would often show up at a teen club job unannounced to smile and encourge us. Dr. Ribisi would just pop in virtually out of nowhere and say "You boys are Really Fabulous!, I Loved it!, Good Going!," as he smiled ear to ear". I am sure he had to speed away many times to save someone's life after showing up at one of our initial forays onto the stage. Mrs. Ribisi would usually be home when we practiced and would show up magicly just at the right moment somehow with cookies when we were practicing and having a "low blood sugar" extended disagreement, plus she let us use the piano room with a record player in it to learn our songs and work out our four and sometimes five part vocal harmony arrangements. The were a Super Sweet Couple! Geoff Levin, our wise and able 21 year old leader, had played Bass, banjo, and guitar with some prominent folk musicians around the San Jose, Palo Alto, and even San Francisco hip folk club circuit. Geoff was alway throwing his big Bass fiddle or some other assorted acoustic instrument cases into his VW bus and heading out for another gig with the Mountain Dew Boys who made real dollars promoting a new soft drink at supermarket openings and fairs. He was also a member of Jerry Garcia's Bluegrass Band, yes, THE Jerry from The Greatful Dead! Geoff was also continually designing speaker systems for the band which he carefully made by hand at home. Nothing much existed at the time in music stores for public address systems, so you had to build your own or remain in the world of "Surf Instrumental Music" like the Ventures. He even used a tape recorder once at our job to achieve an echo effect. The band who opened up the show for us at St. Christopher's that night wanted to start trouble because they thought we were using pre-recorded vocals instead of singing it live ! Geoff had smarts, experience, and charm, something Rob, Al, and I had not quite acquired yet at the tender ages 15 or 16. Geoff was the musical director and helmsman for the group and us younger tots would have still been playing advanced marbles, pulling weeds, or chasing rabid dogs if we didn't have his maturity and know-how to break the huge waves out ahead in the dreaded open seas of showbiz possibility. Along with Geoff's leadership came responsibility and sometimes alot of pain, and it was probably not the brightest Happy face day for Geoff when he realized he was going to have to part with his good buddy Dave Anderson, who was our singer at the time and who thought of the name "PEOPLE!" Dave Anderson, came from a home with deep Christian Science roots and he helped run his family's poultry farm in Morgan Hill. Dave was a man of integrity and knew exactly what he liked what he liked and insisted on a "Folk Rock Path" for PEOPLE! along the musical lines of Bob Dylan, P.F. Sloan, or the Jefferson Airplane. PEOPLE! were getting wiped by other local bands at local teen clubs,Temples, and Church dances by bands that played harder edged stuff like R & B Soul Music from Motown or the British Invasion music of The Yardbirds, The Beatles, Kinks, and The Animals. Geoff and Captain Mikey knew an axe had to fall if the group wanted a chance to prosper in the current musical scheme of things around San Jose and the South Bay. Like the Rolling Stones once said, "You gotta be a success right where you are today, in the area right where you live, right now, or you're dust!" As they say "timing is everything", any change in PEOPLE! had to be the Right one at the right time, you only get ONE lucky shot in this CRAZY Music Business, if ya once miss it's curtains!
One of the first great opportunities PEOPLE! somehow obtained before Dave departed was to appear as entertainment at the Asilomar Conference Grounds in Monterey. The event featured Buckminister Fuller the Fabulous Scientific Inventor and Father of Geodesic Design, how lucky I was to have seen a real genius. Larry Norman opened up the show for us on solo guitar and voice . It turned out that he was the hardest act we ever had to follow. He was such a great entertainer and he looked great, was animated, made the audience laugh, told wonderful stories, clowned around etc., and most of all sang his ass off! I'll never forget his parody of a Jan and Dean hit called Catch a Wave and he changed the words around in it to be about skateboarding and called it Bust Your Bunz instead, which was hilarious! Weird Al Yakovitch was probably still in diapers! Larry's comedy, acting pranks, and obvious show biz wizardry were irresistable to all and he made em' laugh, look into their own private Souls, wanna cry like babies, and jump up and down and scream for more in just the few minutes he was on stage before we had to come out. We saw in him a Light of Love and a Spark of the Divine that night, and his beautiful singing could melt your tender heart one moment and burn down the barn the next. Geoff made Larry an offer and Larry wanted his pal Gene in the group too because they had grown up together dreaming of becoming the Righteous Brothers or something. Anyway, to the GREAT benfit of our Rock and Roll band they were our new singers in short order. These two guys could cover any of the top hits, could dance, sing lead, switch off, and put on an amazing show... they came on like "Gangbusters" and the kids went wild wherever we went! If their colaboration with us did not take place, we probably would have eventually drifted into teenage obscurity with most of our other "showbiz" friends around town.
Captain Mickey our manager, the Disk Jock, would feed our young band all the top records before they were played on the radio and we would learn them note for note. We knew lots Beatles songs and other new music before the tunes were on the radio. Hold on I'm Coming, Working in a Coal Mine, Mellow Yellow, My Generation, Last Train to Clarkesville and lots of other songs would be in our show before the other bands had a chance to buy the records and learn them, because Captain Mickey had advance copies and somehow knew what would become a hit. Captain Mikey would also get on the radio for his regular evening show and tell all the kids to come and see us at the Continental Roller Rink,The Watzit Club, or wherever he booked us and our act began to get attention and SELL!
Here I was, skinny little Johnny Riolo, former boy accordionist, who never dreamed he would actually be able to play drums in a real band now in the spotlight performing at major teenage events around the San Jose area. I actually had alot of experience as a musician and singer before playing any Rock and Roll with PEOPLE! Further more and even more importantly music was no fad for me. I was an acomplished musician long before The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show and changed the world . I had already taken accordion lessons for over four years by the time I was 12 from the Great Master Accordionist Teacher and Music Publisher Mr.Louis Figone. Mr. Figone taught me music theory and helped me develope great timing and co-ordination. I practiced seriously twice a day and I took a First Place trophy home in 1959 at Northern California Accordion Contest at the San Jose Civic Auditorium. I also took drum lessons at school and played in the orchestra from the 4th grade onwards,and sang in the school choir with my sister Dianne three times a week before school. There were always performances and concerts coming up for the PTA or Christmas shows and such. Later in Junior High I continued to take Orchestra as a regular class right up to the 9th grade and took an Orchestra class as an elective in summer school each and every summer. I had several pals who had drumsets in Junior High and I rented one for awhile when I was in the 6th grade. I learned how to play Louie Louie, Money, and later the king of drum songs Wipe Out. I first got excited about Rock and Roll when I went to Junior High dances and became completely mesmerized by live music which usually occured in the gymnasium. Performing with a real Rock and Roll Band was not even a remote day dream possibility back then in the seventh or eighth grade, but little did I know what lie ahead... you can never see into your own future and I just kept mowing lawns and saving my dough so I could go downtown to Moyer Music and get my very own Drum Set as soon as possible if not sooner ! I used to borrow my baby brother's wagon to transport my Blue Sparkle 3 piece drum kit up the street and around the corner to Al Ribisi's house to practice, I balanced it somehow! Heck, Al didn't even know if I could play when he first had heard about me and my drums, and he never really spoke to me at school, for I was just a freshman and he was a big giant sophomore; but after Al looked into my parents garage window and saw the Blue Sparkle kit sitting on a shelf , I was hired to play drums in his band down the street called THE ARRDVARKS, a surf music combo.
Anyhow... back to the story...
PEOPLE! actually got to play the Filmore and we opened up for Love with Arthur Lee. We also opened up for Van Morrison and THEM for 5 nights at a local club in San Jose called The Losers Club (this was Van's Gloria/Here Comes the Night/Mystic Eyes era). PEOPLE! then open up the concert for THE DAVE CLARK FIVE at the San Jose Civic, now those guys were a tight and powerful group, what a show and they really blew the lid off the joint! PEOPLE! also did gigs with other locals Bands who had some national record success like Syndicate of Sound and Count 5. Over in Santa Cruz we also did shows and hung out with a surf group called, I think, The Baggies who became Harpers Bizzare of "Feeling Groovie" fame and yielded the Super Producer TED TEMPLEMAN who was the singer at the time. They were all nice guys, much older than I and treated me like a little brother and made sure my pants were zipped up and stuff.
The Rock Group "PEOPLE! was a great time for me, I was a noted celebrity at my all boys Jesuit High School, and met all the local players and music industry people around the scene in our home town. I worked with some wonderfully talented boys in the band and learned alot about life and growing up. One thing about PEOPLE!... they were ALL Good Boys and exercised a positive influence into my budding personal growth. They were always kind to me, had charming manners in public wherever we had engagements, and never led me astray, they were my loving big brothers! When I had to be replaced, it was a major letdown, but I was well known around the hood and was immediately offered some of the best gigs in town and was working all the time
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jriolo (talk • contribs).
- Please see Wikipedia:Autobiography. Tom Harrison Talk 19:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Edit War
Next time you participate in an edit war, please address the issues on the talk page. Thank you. --NuclearZer0 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Here are our recent contributions to the page, unless you are talking about something else. Tom Harrison Talk 14:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
re: Oklahoma City bombing
(diff) (hist) . . Oklahoma City bombing; 14:20 . . (-31) . . Tom harrison (Talk | contribs) (rm dispute tag)
hi Tom, you just deleted the dispute flag - without explanation?
I had assumed we agreed to disagree. During my wikibreak Peephole deleted the flag.
Please either explain yourself or put the flag back up. — Xiutwel (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- There is not a dispute just because you don't like what the article says. The dispute tag cannot reasonably be used semi-permanently, or to hold the page hostage until everyone is satisfied with it. The sources are clear, and the facts are not in dispute. I'm going out, so excuse me if I don't reply promptly. Tom Harrison Talk 14:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for the confusion. We can keep it on the article talk page from now on. I'll watch for your remarks there, and post there anything I have to say. Tom Harrison Talk 22:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate it, for clarity, if you would motivate changes to the article on the talk page of the article, or if you must, on MY User Page in stead of your own. I initially missed your explanation, causing me a lot of extra work. Thx. — Xiutwel (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation, and your away-notice. I see this differently: the matter is not that I disagree with the facts presented in the article (though that may be the case); the matter is that I think an important fact is omitted. I judge this to be not a POV dispute, but a factual accuracy dispute (cherry-picking the facts). I agree we cannot use the flag semi-permanantly, and I hope you will work with me to find a solution to this. Surely it must be possible to find some wording for the fact that these news stations aired these reports? — Xiutwel (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Page move debate opinion needed
Hi, user DIV (a chemical engineer), i.e. User talk:128.250.204.118, and myself (a chemical engineer) have been debating over the name of the Gibbs free energy article for seven months now. DIV is demanding that both the Gibbs free energy and Helmholtz free energy articles be moved to “Gibbs energy” and “Helmholtz energy” per IUPAC definitions, and is continuously rewriting all the related articles in Wikipedia on this view. According to my opinion, as well as others, e.g. 2002 encyclopedia Britannica, 2006 encyclopedia Encarta, 2004 Oxford Dictionary of Chemistry, 2005 Barnes & Noble’s The Essential Dictionary of Science, the 2004 McGraw-Hill Concise Encyclopedia of Chemistry, Eric Weissteins World of Physics: Gibbs Free Energy, etc., Gibbs free energy and Helmholtz free energy are the most common usages. If you have an opinion on this issue could you please comment here. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 20:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Some user moved obturate to obturating ring, but that meant the article content didn't at all fit the title (obturation being a process, obturating ring being a single application example). I moved the contents back to obturate, and pointed obturating ring to driving band, which I though was a better fit. Upon some additional research, I decided that there was only a partial overlap between driving bands and obturating rings, and decided to create a new article for obturating ring that linked to driving band and had additional content covering items such as breech seals and mechanical components such as the plumbing fittings. There are probably more engineering uses that could be added (do a Google search) but I'm not up enough on the subject to do it without a lot more work. scot 16:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- I see, thanks. It all looks good. I thought at first might have been a cut-and-paste move somewhere. Tom Harrison Talk 16:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nope, done from scratch. Also put together gas check this morning, since it's tangentially related to the driving band. Today it's either Wiki or watch Blue's Clues with the kids... scot 19:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
F.Y.I.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center (3rd). TheOnlyChoice 22:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Forgive my ignorance, but what does turnip mean? Grandad 15:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- I meant it as kind of a commentary, or maybe a metasyntactic variable. Page deletion is not stricly a vote, so some people avoid saying 'keep' or 'delete', and just present an argument. I meant to expand on Hipocrite's point, so I used the same random word he did. I was tempted to say Pecans, or maybe potsherds. Deletion is in practice unlikely, so I might have said 'speedy close as keep', except I do think the page should be deleted, or maybe merged in much abbreviated form to 9/11 conspiracy theories. As far as I know, there is not yet a conspiracy theory involving turnips. Tom Harrison Talk 15:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
CD Hypothesis "two camps" citation request
Hmmm. I looked at that one. To me it looks like citing the obvious. Please bear in mind that I thing the hypothesis is WP:BALLS and am simply interested in a good article when I say this. It is a statement thatappears to be borne out by all teh available facts rather than a single one, but I donlt think you want a stream of ever single ref after it ;). I think it is unanswerable, but equally I feel the statement is valid. I'd appreciate your thoughts on how one might handle your tag, please? Fiddle Faddle 20:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- My reply is on the article talk page. Tom Harrison Talk 20:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Tom. I'll continue there. Fiddle Faddle 20:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Muhammad pictures
Can I discuss here with you about Muhammad pictures instead of at Mediation page. I really liked your previous stand and you had helped us to maintain one picture in the article and it provided a peace of long time (with no major edit war). Now I feel sad that you also have change your position. I wish to discuss it here for better understanding if possible? Thanks --- ALM 22:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- It's not that I want to add pictures to the page, I just don't want to remove them for a reason that will set a bad precedent. I think something like two pictures would probably be appropriate - one for the section Depictions of Muhammad, and one somewhere else. But one, or two, or one and some calligraphy, or anything else reasonable would be fine. I care less about the specifics of what we decide than about the reasons for our decision. Whatever we choose to do, we should not do it to avoid offending people, or for religious reasons. Though it is in general good to avoid offending and to respect everyone's religion, changing the article for those reasons would encourage people to change other pages for similar reasons, or to demand other changes. Scientology comes to mind. Like I said on the mediation page, if we want to remove stuff that offends Muslims, but keep stuff that offends Christians, we can do that. But because of what I expect will happen, and for simple justice, we should not. I think we can agree on a reasonable solution that will keep the page stable. Please let me know what you think. Tom Harrison Talk 22:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Dear Tom Harrison, I am very busy until 10th Jan night. I am very sorry that I am not able to reply. I will reply before 10th when I have to take some rest or after that definitely. I hope that you will not be mad and will continue to talk about this (even if I am slow in replying). best wishes --- ALM 22:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- Not at all, take your time. There is no deadline. I'm busy myself, so I'm happy to take it slowly. Tom Harrison Talk 22:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
- I can now reply every day finally I guess. After reading your above post it looks like "secularism has more or less a system where goal is to offend everyone, Christians or Muslims or Jews". It has become closer to communism which was against religions. New Goal of secularism is "not to bend on demands of anyone even though they are reasonable enough". For example if you follow trend then this article should not have any picture of Muhammad because
- That is norm followed in almost 99.9999999% books as well as in most encyclopedias. (wikipedia is a big book)
- Secondly Muhammad has 99.999% represented in calligraphy and may be 0.00001% in pictures. If we wish to give everything right weightage then we cannot have 99 calligraphy pictures in the article in order to justify one picture showing Muhammad face. Can we have 99 picture of calligraphy in the article?
- Hence asking for no picture of Muhammad in article is according to history and literature is a valid demand. However, we just want to have picture to up held secularism and not making any group happy. We want to give 0.000001% extra weightage of 20% to make a point. This kind of bothers me.
- I being a Muslim do not like picture of him in any article that include Depiction of Muhammad and that newspaper cartoon article. However, I tolerate them with big heart and I do not go there and contribute (delete those pictures). Now some people want to add his picture in Kaaba in Muhammad where they are even not informational and there main point is that we will not let censor any thing (or make Muslims happy by mistake as it will set a wrong trend).
- I said many times if you show me 5 books published by reliable sources and with historical picture of Muhammad then I can change my position. However, they do not give me just 5 books to end this dispute but goes back to see not censor. We will offend all. --- ALM 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry if you feel about post is harsh. I am not good in expressing but I have written that will all the respect. I just wanted to convey my feelings. --- ALM 18:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- No, that is not too harsh; I will think about what you said. Tom Harrison Talk 03:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Conspiracy Theories
Hi Tom,
We're having a difference of opinion as to what constitutes a 'Conspiracy Theory' over at the Conspiracy Theory Noticeboard and would like yours here, >LINK< if possible. TIA - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
That hypothesis article about the collapse of the world trade center is up for deletion I see. But most of the people have voted to keep it. So now what do we do?--Beguiled 21:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Unless there is a consensus to delete, the article gets kept. People who are interested can work to make it neutral, well-sourced, and informative. Tom Harrison Talk 22:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
about A Practical Reference to Religious Diversity for Operational Police and Emergency Services/Temp
You changed it with "(probably not a speedy - use afd if needed)" - what is "afd"? I'd like to make the article better unless someone else wants to take it on....--Smkolins 19:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, too much Wikispeak. I meant Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Feel free to improve it if you like. Tom Harrison Talk 19:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
the 9/11 TM template and the CD Hypothesis
I hope you take my thoughts on the CDH talk page at their face value, a genuine request for understanding the rationale for deployment. Fiddle Faddle 22:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Of course. I'll try to articulate the main points as soon as I can get to it. I have to go out in a few minutes, so I may not reply until later tonight. Tom Harrison Talk 22:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tom, about a week ago, you blocked User:Moscatanix indefinitely as a sockpuppet of a banned user. I suspected User:Moscatanix as a possible sockpuppet in this ArbCom case. Could you reveal who is the banned user to which reference is made in the block? Thanks --BostonMA talk 02:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, the answer to my question is User:Rootology. --BostonMA talk 18:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm always pleased when my mistakes cancel out:-) Tom Harrison Talk 20:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Your message
Gosh, I hadn't noticed until I got your message. If it's not too painful a subject, what happened? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- I mistakenly rolled back a bunch of your edits. I think everything is back as it should be now. Email me if you want the details. Tom Harrison Talk 22:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's OK — all's well that ends well. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Cunning Folk
Hi, Tom. Do you know who wrote the original comment about cunning folk and witches, please? Only I referred to it in a book I'm writing, and the editor would like to know more about it. When I checked back, it had vanished from the page. I'm new to Wikipedia's ways, but tracked down the changes you made and hope you can help me track the source. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Velveteen Rose (talk • contribs) 01:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
- I'm not sure what comment you mean exactly. My contributions were to remove an advisory tag, and a minor edit changing 'folklore' to 'history', on 23 February. The article was started by an anonymous contributor on 30 May 2004, and added to by a few people since. You should be able to step through the edit history one version at a time examining the changes to see when everything was added. Please let me know if it's not clear how to do that, or if you need anything else. Tom Harrison Talk 13:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
the 911ct template
Well, it seems to have caused something. Perhaps you would like to look at Template talk:911ct and make whatever comments you wish. As I said when I created it, it is there to use. I have no emotional commitment to it either way. Fiddle Faddle 21:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- It seems that a couple of editors do not like the template, or one editor and their logged out self do not like it. I thought this was likely to happen "just because it is about 9/11" more than anything else. Since you contributed to the tmeplate by adding a number of articles to it I was wondering if you might both keep an eye on the deployment without getting into a revert war, and consider which other articles might benefit from inclusion and adding it to them and them to it. Fiddle Faddle 07:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll keep an eye on it. Tom Harrison Talk 12:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
More vandalism
Please block Runtshit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) , and advise what steps can be taken to prevent this recurring harassment. Thank you. --RolandR 10:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- I see SlimVirgin has already blocked this one. Because of the concerns you mentioned in your email, I suggest you contact the foundation. Tom Harrison Talk 13:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Would you please explain why you deleted this article? I fail to see how it didn't meet the notability guidelines; there was even an external link to an IMDb page for him. Anthony Rupert 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see an assertion of notability, or any basis for one, but I have restored the article so it can be expanded. Tom Harrison Talk 12:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Re: What's Up
Never mind, I see what happened too… thanks for good faith. Lovelight 14:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Morton devonshire is stalking me again
Hi User:Morton devonshire followed me to an article that he never edited, and is now harrasing me. I ask him to stop, but he hasn't. I know you intervened with User:Morton devonshire and I before, can you ask him to please stop? I want to avoid each other for a while and maybe things will cool off. Thanks Tom Travb (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- What page is it? Tom Harrison Talk 03:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Firestone Tire and Rubber Company. Travb (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- I cannot find any edits by Morton Devonshire to that page or its talk page. I guess I will need diffs to persue it further. If what this boils down to is that he had the temerity to comment on the notice board and at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, I guess I will have wasted my time investigating this. Tom Harrison Talk 14:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Firestone Tire and Rubber Company. Travb (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Block threat from admin User:FayssalF
Dear Mr. Harrison, I am being threatened with a block by User:FayssalF on what I see as nakedly specious grounds. See User talk:Proabivouac#POV edits and deletions. My aim is to ensure that this situation does not play out in a "dark alley," as it were - I cannot imagine that FayssalF would act this way if he thought his actions were under review - and I wonder if you've any recommendations as to how I might proceed.Proabivouac 11:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
It was not nakedly specious grounds. Proabivouac was removing well sourced material on Islam page. Also, please have a look at the link Proabivouac provided.--Aminz 11:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Please have a look at this [2]. Please see the history. Many times, when I wanted to complete the section further, I had an edit conflict because Proabivouac had removing the section completely. --Aminz 11:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- This looks like a good-faith content dispute. The parties should seek mediation. I don't see any vandalism on either side. I don't see a basis for any blocks, and I will review any that occur if that seems necessary - Whoever blocks (Szvest says correctly that it will not be him, since he is involved in the dispute) will probably post on the notice board. If not, there is email. If there is a basis for blocking, there are places to request that. Likewise page protection. Everything should be, and I expect will be, done in the open. And as ever, use the talk page and focus on content, not each other. Tom Harrison Talk 14:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to notify that mediation has renewed at the Muhammad article, after a delay due to Ars Scriptor's leaving, in case you still wanted to participate. I'll be the mediator, but I may call in help from someone more experienced later. | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 13:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Talk:September 11, 2001 attacks is now on RfA
See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration for more details and add your tuppence to the debate... — Rickyrab | Talk 18:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)