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The time wasted stems from the decision to tag as sockpuppet made from speculation. (Your decision; your speculation.) You asked for community feedback on the decision at the SPI, you received some from BD2412. I'm asking you to reconsider the sanction you imposed, now that more facts and feedbacks came in since the sanction and which you solicited but did not respond to. Rather than count the time wasted, how about some logic here, and extending reasonability and doing the right thing for Diogo? What's wrong with that logic, Todd? (You're counting minutes, but he has a wrecked WP username for a lifetime.) [[User:Ihardlythinkso|Ihardlythinkso]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso|talk]]) 20:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC) |
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Los Altos High School - Sticky K
Hi Toddst1,
First of all, thank you for being an admin for Wikipedia. Really appreciate you keeping the peace on this amazing website.
I recently received a message from you about my addition of Rod Kashani/Sticky K as notable alumni on the Los Altos High School page. You claimed I was not writing from a neutral view point. I do not know Rod Kashani personally but was aware he was a Los Altos High School alumni through a friend. I did not write any subjective language in my post but merely stated the facts as I saw them. He is a well known artist in the electronic music space who is on a reputable record label that makes millions of dollars annually. He like most well established artists, has songs on Spotify and iTunes.
I am new to Wikipedia and not sure of all the guidelines. Still, I do not understand how I was not writing from a neutral view point. Can you please undo your change or let me know how I can publish undisputed facts on Wikipedia.
Thank you for your time.
senorstanleySenorstanley (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and apology.
First, thank you for your suggestions concerning Carry on Wayward Son, and also the article for Robin Sachs, for which appropriate citations have been added. Also, sorry if I seemed a bit heated on the talk page for the former. I admit I'd had a bit to drink at the time. Sdr (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah, and a hopefully quick question:
When should one add a "citation needed" or the like, and when should information simply be removed? Clearly for living persons, anything unsourced should be zapped if it could possibly be seen as negative in any way, but for all other articles, there seem to be conflicting opinions in various places. You seem comfortable with this area, so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Sdr (talk) 04:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
- Generally if it is controversial, it should be well cited. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. Anything that's not cited can be tagged with
{{cn}}
and/or removed. There is some judgement required. Also, unreliable sources that are user generated, like IMDB or Wikipedia itself are effectively not reliable sources, so they can be challenged as well. Toddst1 (talk) 23:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
For Diogo
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
"I sympathize with DanielTom's assertion that another Wikipedian lives in the same house. With millions of people editing, there must be some occasions where two different people living under the same roof each edit under a different username. What sort of evidence could a person in this situation provide to support such a claim? And who bears the burden of proving whether this claim is true or not? bd2412 T 03:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)"
- "But what are the chances of the account going straight to ANI and trolling? --Rschen7754 03:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)"
- "In the same anti-authority voice as DanielTom? About zero. Toddst1 (talk) 05:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)"
They are twin brothers living under the same roof, and sometimes even sharing same computer. They look alike, talk alike, and many times think alike. So your "about zero" comment isn't grounded in logic sufficient to warrant the confidence you give it, Todd.
How about giving Diogo, Daniel's brother, some fairness, rather than pure speculation, and removing the sockpuppet tag, which has no basis other than your speculation and logic above? (This is not about Daniel, it is about his brother.) How about give the guy a break and if you hammer Diogo for his Wiki-life, let it be for a real demonstrable reason, rather than your speculation, when you didn't even know he could prove via his i.d. & Email address he is an independent person?
Thanks for your consider Todd, if you will. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:53, 26 June 2013 (UTC)