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I'm glad it is over.
I'm referring to your closure comment on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Bob Morley & Arryn Zech. You stated that "the allegations of cheating/abuse should not be included" and noted that the policies WP:BLPSELFPUB and WP:BLPPUBLIC are relevant, while noting that "all the sources are citing the now-deleted claims published on Zech's social media", and saying that Daily Dot is questionable on its own, and saying the same for Popculture, while noting that The Girlfriend Magazine article is unreliable, as is Distractify and The Daily Planet. I obviously, as you know from the discussion, supported keeping the accusations/allegations, and different views of the sources.
However, like any good Wikipedian, I'll abide by the consensus. I can understand that the "sources should be excluded" and actually think your view that "for matters of sexual orientation and gender identity, we typically allow self-identification through social media or interviews" is good, as it could help verify sexual orientation and gender identity more easily, so that's a positive. All in all, although the discussion didn't end the way I would have preferred, I think something can surely be learned from the discussion by all of those who participated. As for me, I'll probably be more wary of adding anything deemed "controversial" in the future, in hopes of avoiding future discussions. Also, thanks for closing the discussion at Talk:Bob Morley, where I proposed some compromise text, but there was sadly no consensus for it. Historyday01 (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for remaining civil throughout that discussion. In general the rule for BLPs is that we keep controversial material, especially negative, out of articles until the sourcing is strong enough. In cases where the sourcing is marginal, it is usually better to keep controversial claims (especially based on gossip or self-published claims) out until there is stronger sourcing. Even while the contentious text is being discussed, we need to keep it out until there is consensus to include (a reversal of the way things normally work). It can definitely be confusing at times, but it does seem like you were participating in good faith. The WordsmithTalk to me 18:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sure. I'll definitely keep that mind. I tend to edit biography pages less than other pages, but I still edit them, and create them, from time to time. Historyday01 (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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This was not eligible for soft deletion. Please revert the close of the AFD and relist it. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)