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}}{{Z33}}<!-- Derived from Template:Ds/alert --> — [[User:MShabazz|MShabazz]] <sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/MShabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 18:37, 28 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Nomination of Joey Julius for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Joey Julius is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joey Julius until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DonFB (talk) 06:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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Withdraw nom
Kingfisher, I've withdrawn my delete nomination for Joey Julius. I now believe he is notable and the article should be kept. Regards, DonFB (talk) 05:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- DonFB Thank you. The Kingfisher (talk) 08:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Revert
You didn't revert this edit so why did you revert mine? It's overuse of the tag:
"While an editor may add this template to any uncited passage for any reason, many editors object to what they perceive as overuse of this tag, particularly in what is known as "drive-by" tagging, which is applying the tag without attempting to address the issues at all (hit-and-run). Consider whether adding this tag in an article is the best approach before using it, and use it judiciously." - from Template:Citation needed
also, you add one or a couple and then click edit when you could go from the top of the article and do it. I don't really care to get into a debate about this but I'm not sure if you knew about the overuse of the tag. --Jennica✿ / talk 19:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Why I didn't revert another edit is irrelevant to me reverting your edit. Based on WP:IRE, and more specifically WP:CITENEED, I edited within policy by adding the temps to unsourced material.
- "To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an uncited claim by inserting a simple [citation needed] tag, or by using a more comprehensive [citation needed] clause."
- As "Jimbo Wales himself said he believed Wikipedia should focus more on the accuracy of our existing material instead of creating new material". I, too, won't debate, especially what "many editors perceive as overuse of this tag". My edits are within policy and, I believe, benefitting the project. The Kingfisher (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Here's some advice: quoting Jimmy doesn't give you an automatic upper hand, as he himself will tell you. You are overusing the "citation needed" tag on Cat Stevens, and this is not the way we work collaboratively here. Discuss this on talk and get consensus when you are reverted more than once. You are on the edge of edit warring - and don't bother saying that more than 24 hours passed - what you are doing is not ok. I am going to revert you again on Cat Stevens and ask you to talk about it this time, on the talk page. Experienced editors are telling you that it is an over-application of the tag - some of the places you added it are just narrative. WP:IRE was a noble venture, and as an editor here for over 10 years I am well versed in the need for improving references. But this is not the way. (And by the way, IRE is an inactive project, not a policy or even a guideline. So invoking it doesn't give carte blanche.) Tvoz/talk 06:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- You discussed a Wales quote and IRE, but nothing about WP:CITENEED. You also would have bolstered your argument regarding overuse had you left even a few citation needed templates, but you deleted them all. An editor with 10 years or 10 days has the right to add those tags. Per policy, can you please define the number of tags in an article that is acceptable and what constitutes overuse? The Kingfisher (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Also, there are many articles much more in need of your concern regarding citations - this one has over 150 cites and your energy might be better spent on articles that are in much worse shape. I don't object to the template, now that a more appropriate one is in place, but peppering the piece with tags is overkill. Tvoz/talk 06:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Tvoz: - he's overusing it on many pages. Racking up his edit numbers by doing it one at a time. Instead of doing all these tags, he should be spending time finding actual sources. Now that would be beneficial. --Jennica✿ / talk 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, that's an important point - if editors spent more time looking for sources and less time tagging articles expecting someone else to do it, the encyclopedia would be in much better shape. The best approach, which I do as much as possible, is when you notice that a particular point needs sourcing - particularly when there's a quotation which always needs sourcing - first look for it yourself rather than passing it on to the next guy. I'll sometimes put in a "cite needed" tag when I'm in a rush (but I come back to it) or can't find the source and it's egregiously missing, or contradicted by other info, etc - but running around and tagging hither and yon is just annoying and disruptive, and gives the misleading impression that an article is deficient. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - you appear to be new here, and I will assume that your intention is to improve the project - but you should listen when more experienced editors weigh in, and discuss. We're all trying to create a good piece of work. Tvoz/talk 22:17, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Or major contributing editors to articles can be responsible for the RSs in those articles. With all due respect, neither you nor any editor should be the arbiter as to how other editors should devote their time to the project. The Kingfisher (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, that's an important point - if editors spent more time looking for sources and less time tagging articles expecting someone else to do it, the encyclopedia would be in much better shape. The best approach, which I do as much as possible, is when you notice that a particular point needs sourcing - particularly when there's a quotation which always needs sourcing - first look for it yourself rather than passing it on to the next guy. I'll sometimes put in a "cite needed" tag when I'm in a rush (but I come back to it) or can't find the source and it's egregiously missing, or contradicted by other info, etc - but running around and tagging hither and yon is just annoying and disruptive, and gives the misleading impression that an article is deficient. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - you appear to be new here, and I will assume that your intention is to improve the project - but you should listen when more experienced editors weigh in, and discuss. We're all trying to create a good piece of work. Tvoz/talk 22:17, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Tvoz: - he's overusing it on many pages. Racking up his edit numbers by doing it one at a time. Instead of doing all these tags, he should be spending time finding actual sources. Now that would be beneficial. --Jennica✿ / talk 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Here's some advice: quoting Jimmy doesn't give you an automatic upper hand, as he himself will tell you. You are overusing the "citation needed" tag on Cat Stevens, and this is not the way we work collaboratively here. Discuss this on talk and get consensus when you are reverted more than once. You are on the edge of edit warring - and don't bother saying that more than 24 hours passed - what you are doing is not ok. I am going to revert you again on Cat Stevens and ask you to talk about it this time, on the talk page. Experienced editors are telling you that it is an over-application of the tag - some of the places you added it are just narrative. WP:IRE was a noble venture, and as an editor here for over 10 years I am well versed in the need for improving references. But this is not the way. (And by the way, IRE is an inactive project, not a policy or even a guideline. So invoking it doesn't give carte blanche.) Tvoz/talk 06:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Please note, and as per your edit summary, just because an edit, such as yours, does not breach policy, it doesn't mean you can add what you like. At best, your addition was trivial, uninteresting, and was badly formatted in terms of the citation. I must also mention your edit warring behaviour, too. Please familiarise yourself with this guideline where you will see that it is wrong for you to revert a revert and if you are reverted then it is up to you to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. CassiantoTalk 15:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- Reread my summary: "no policies given to justify rv". At least your "trivial" rv I can deal with. BTW, can you please point me to the policy that states you can rv because of a "badly formatted" citation? The Kingfisher (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- Reread my summary: "At best, your addition was trivial, uninteresting, and was badly formatted in terms of the citation." The fact your formatting was up the wall is a side issue. In terms of your summary: ""no policies given to justify rv", I don't get your point? Why do you think a revert cannot be justified if it conforms to policy? Of course it can. How about the elephant in the room here; the fact it was uninteresting nonsense? CassiantoTalk 16:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- I was referring to your FIRST rv summary that was blank. If I'm not mistaken, Sinatra didn't exactly cure polio, so who he married is also "trivia" and "uninteresting nonsense" to many people. In this context, "Personal live" is the definition of trivial. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:05, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that there are a lot of things that could be considered to be "trivial". That's why, for instance, the infobox is collapsed. Who he married is an important part of his biography, as long as it is kept brief. Where he lived in location to the other Rat Pack members, however, is not. CassiantoTalk 18:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- I was referring to your FIRST rv summary that was blank. If I'm not mistaken, Sinatra didn't exactly cure polio, so who he married is also "trivia" and "uninteresting nonsense" to many people. In this context, "Personal live" is the definition of trivial. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:05, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
- Reread my summary: "At best, your addition was trivial, uninteresting, and was badly formatted in terms of the citation." The fact your formatting was up the wall is a side issue. In terms of your summary: ""no policies given to justify rv", I don't get your point? Why do you think a revert cannot be justified if it conforms to policy? Of course it can. How about the elephant in the room here; the fact it was uninteresting nonsense? CassiantoTalk 16:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Gisele Bündchen
I have begun discussion at Talk:Gisele Bündchen#Tom Brady. Rather than edit-war, per WP:BRD please discuss your issue on the article's talk page and try to reach consensus with fellow editors. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Jew vs. Jewish
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jewish Franzboas (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
May 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Juliet Lapidos. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:02, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- user:Franzboas and I worked it out, so all is good, but thanks for the info. I'm just curious as to why your several reverts of Franzboas' edits on the same page is not considered edit warring? The Kingfisher (talk) 04:57, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
May 2017 another article
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gisele Bündchen. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.
Additional note: I pointed out this very policy to you here. Now that you have two editors having noted your edit-warring and pointing it out to you, an admin will take particular notice of this fact if you continue to revert at the Bundchen article despite there being an ongoing discussion at the article's talk page that has not reached consensus for your edit. As well, I have started a Request for comment at Talk:Gisele Bündchen#Request for comment, restoring the pre-edit status quo until this issue can be resolved. If you re-insert your edit without consensus, an admin will be notified.--Tenebrae (talk) 11:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
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BLP sanctions notice
Please carefully read this information:
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you that sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.Template:Z33 — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 18:37, 28 May 2017 (UTC)