Conspiratorial thinking
Look, maybe I was too insulting of you to begin with, but the problem is that you haven't shown any reasonable idea of compromise or engaged with Dekimasu on whether "China Virus" is a widely used term or not, where is your evidence? I have checked twitter and "China virus" is not a widely used term on there, with less than a dozen tweets an hour using the term. I don't know Dekimasu in any capacity outside the Coronavirus article, though I have great respect for him. What I would like to address is your conspiratorial thinking. We are not trying to censor the article on behalf of the chinese goverment, it is just that we think that the name isn't notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia. Hemiauchenia (talk) 12:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
You are free to make bold edits, but please follow the bold, revert, discuss cycle. If your edits are challanged, you are supposed to start a discussion on the talk page so a consensus may be reached. Calling a popular term a misnomer in the intro is inserting a clear WP:POV. Also don't edit logged out to evade a block. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I am here to strike through the last part of my comment, I see you've been impersonated by a vandal who was trying to get you into trouble, sorry for that. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Disruptive editing
Your editing history consists almost solely of WP:POVPUSHING, and has for the most part not produced any meaningful improvement and has only resulted in wasting other editors valuable time. While you're clearly not a troll, merely an obstinate pedant, you're just as disruptive. You can go through my editing history and see that I have productively contributed to this enycyclopedia while you have not. You have become fixated on the fact that I have repeatedly insulted you, and you think that I am somehow persecuting you, which is delusional, I hold no more power than any other wikipedia editor, but you somehow think you deserve respect despite the fact than pretty much all yur editing is unconstructive. I still haven't got an answer as to why you reverted the edit by the Architect sock on Dekimasu's talk page, reverting users edits to their own talk page is a huge-no-no. If this pattern of behaviour continues then this will probably end up at the administrators noticeboard. Every other editor who has expressed an opinion diagrees with you. Do something productive with your time or don't contribute at all. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Symphony Regalia. I first became aware of the issues at Talk:Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 when I closed this edit warring report that you filed. Now that I have perused the discussion on that talk page, I have to agree that you are wasting others' time. You also believe that Hemiauchenia filed "two bogus reports to intimate me". This is after you were blocked for 31 hours for edit warring on 5 March. Since that block expired it is hard for me to identify anything useful that you have done. Administrators have the authority to issue blocks under WP:NOTHERE if they perceive that someone's edits are not a net benefit to the encyclopedia. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 13:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't believe any of these accusations are warranted, and I don't see how discussing improvements to an article can be seen as a waste of time. Regardless, the discussion is rather stale as only two people have chimed in, so I am waiting to give time for other editor opinions. I am also contributing to other articles. Symphony Regalia (talk) 19:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry Hemiauchenia, Wikipedia isn't the place for "but I was here first" type arguments or harassment as you are doing. A simple "I disagree for these reasons..." would suffice. 24.26.218.181 (talk) 02:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- @24.26.218.181: It wasn't harassment, I was simply being abrasive because he was being obstinant. My main issue though is that you shouldn't be editing an article viewed by tens of thousands of people a day without singnificant editing experience. Also Ip user, can you confirm/deny that you are responsible for the edits to the Proud Boys talk page? Hemiauchenia (talk) 11:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Hemiauchenia: Two wrongs don't make a right, Hemiauchenia. Now please just calm down. Also you spelled significant wrong, it was probably just a typo though. Again, you seemed to abuse your authority slightly and/or respond in unnecessarily extreme words that only act as put-downs. This is not helping. Foxtail286 (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- Frankly given Hemiauchenia's history of harassment, following me around, verbal abuse, as well as his username I suspect that the user is a teenager, which may explain some of it, however nevertheless I really admire your restraint in dealing and with trying to reason with him. I recommend that you ignore him as I now do. Symphony Regalia (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do want to note, in a non-threatening and non-abusive way, that calling a virus a China Virus is kind of offensive to the many, many Chinese readers out there, even if some (somewhat racist) US sources called it that. You can list it under alternate names in a non-pushy manner, but don't try to insert it in multiple points in the article where SARS-CoV-2 would suffice. Please don't lunge at me just because of my opinion, just don't do it again. Foxtail286 (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't believe I've interacted with you before, and I'm certainly not interested in lunging at anyone. I've never made an argument for multiple insertions; just a single listing among the formal names that are seeing use, as it is seeing wide and notable usage. And yes it is indeed offensive, but a lot of things on Wikipedia are offensive to some. That is the nature of an encyclopedia. I also want to point out that it has strong precedent (Spanish Flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola, and so on) and that not everyone using it holds malice. To a lot of people, it is simply a normal name. Symphony Regalia (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- You have a point. Let's make a compromise. So, you are allowed to list "the China Virus" under alternate names, but not replacing SARS-COV-2 with it. We can talk about facts, but we have to learn from our racist past. Do you agree? Foxtail286 (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I do want to note, in a non-threatening and non-abusive way, that calling a virus a China Virus is kind of offensive to the many, many Chinese readers out there, even if some (somewhat racist) US sources called it that. You can list it under alternate names in a non-pushy manner, but don't try to insert it in multiple points in the article where SARS-CoV-2 would suffice. Please don't lunge at me just because of my opinion, just don't do it again. Foxtail286 (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Argh! no, no, no ...
" It is a nationality, and anyone of any race can be Chinese. " NO! I go thru this with so many students. Nationality=Ethnicity, NOT citizenship. Only those recognized as ethnically Chinese (typically those around the heart of Yellow River China) are "Chinese." Han Chinese is the largest grouping. There is no way I can ever be a Persian - I can become a citizen of Iran, but I remain English in my ethnicity/nationality. Please review "nation-state" and so on. There's been a lot of sloppy, "politically correct" nonsense in many schools of late, and this sort of sloppy talk will drive a historian or linguist mad. "race" doesn't play a part here - the non-scientific, but social, definition would be "Mongoloid" but as so many nationalities are part of this, it's useless in discussing ethnicity. Thanks for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.45.197 (talk) 22:23, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Nationality has absolutely nothing to do ethnicity. Nationality is a legal construct, that is decided by law. There are Chinese people of all races. You should not be erasing those people. Furthermore, (Han) Chinese is also an ethnicity, but ethnicity is decided by shared culture/traditions/language, and not blood. For example Borris Johnson and Vladimur Putin are of the same race, but of different ethnicities. Although minorities, there are Black Chinese and White Chinese who, for example, are both legally and culturally (Han) Chinese. If you have students, I fear you are doing them a great disservice, and are not doing your job. Symphony Regalia (talk) 03:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. Foxtail286 (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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