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:::I really want to enjoy my time on Wikipedia but if I want to gain community trust and stay unblocked I guess this really at this point is my only option. Sure. [[User:SoyokoAnis|<span style="color: blue">SoyokoAnis</span>]] - [[User talk:SoyokoAnis|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] 12:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC) |
:::I really want to enjoy my time on Wikipedia but if I want to gain community trust and stay unblocked I guess this really at this point is my only option. Sure. [[User:SoyokoAnis|<span style="color: blue">SoyokoAnis</span>]] - [[User talk:SoyokoAnis|<span style="color: blue">talk</span>]] 12:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::::I have created a mentoring subpage at [[User:DanCherek/Mentorship/SoyokoAnis]] and have pinged you there. This is just to keep things organized; obviously anyone is welcome to watchlist the page to follow along. Please respond there when you get a chance (no rush, the point is to take things slowly) and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User_talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 16:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC) |
::::I have created a mentoring subpage at [[User:DanCherek/Mentorship/SoyokoAnis]] and have pinged you there. This is just to keep things organized; obviously anyone is welcome to watchlist the page to follow along. Please respond there when you get a chance (no rush, the point is to take things slowly) and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User_talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 16:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== A word of encouragement == |
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I'm not very active on the 'pedia these days. I just try to fix things up here and there and do some quiet projectspace work. I keep meaning to get back into editing more regularly, but something always distracts me. So, when I see your edits, the first thing that strikes me is admiration for your enthusiasm for making Wikipedia better. That's something even a lot of more experienced editors often lack. |
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I ''was'' more active once, though. I renamed my account a while back and consider everything since then to be "the softest of [[WP:CLEANSTART|clean starts]]," so I usually don't discuss those years, but seeing your case really reminded me of how I was when I was a new editor. I was enthusiastic, always looking for somewhere to help—and like you, I read ''all'' of the policies, more or less. In fact, I read them so thoroughly that many people were convinced I was a sockpuppet based on how well I knew them. But all of that reading still didn't help me. I still got in conflict with other users, and in trouble with administrators. Frankly it's a miracle that I was only blocked once for a few hours. |
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I'd seen your name here and there, and popped by your page today to see how you're doing, and saw the above drama. I read through the ANI discussion, and was struck by [[User:Vaticidalprophet]]'s point about how hard Wikipedia is to navigate as a newcomer. I also saw your comment from a while ago about how if you've read all the policies, that should be enough. And in a way, that ''should'' be true, but the way things are set up here, everyone needs to spend a long time absorbing the way they work (the [[common law]] of Wikipedia policy, if that analogy makes sense) before they can flourish. |
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Another thing you have in common with the me of eight years ago is that you got lucky: Rather than a trigger-happy admin blocking you at your first mistake, clearly you have gained the attention of some people who really want to help you become the savvy Wikipedian you clearly aim to be. Even your block, and the ANI support for it, seem to all have happened with the best of intentions. All of these people have all given you some really good advice, and I hope you're listening to it. It's great that you've got a mentor, and I definitely hope you listen to him in particular, and continue to take things slow. |
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But in all this, just remember: You have the will and the enthusiasm to improve the encyclopedia, and those are the hard parts, the parts a mentor can't give you. What's left is the easy part, which is learning how to apply of that in a way that meshes well with the efforts of others. |
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Wishing you the best.<span style="font-family:courier;font-size:90%"> -- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] (she/they) | [[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]]</span> 11:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello
Nobody speaks for me. You all are a bunch of racists misogynists. Trying to silence, a dark-skin- plus-size non-cis woman. You can't say nobody controls a wikipedia page then tell me I can't write stuff on my own page. You all don't speak for me and don't tell me what to say. I am the most-respected non-cis female, musician, poet, writer and activist of all time. And I will be respected. Delete my account since you all want to be racist and prohibit a black woman from speaking on her own work, brand and legacy!
KOKUMO The Queen Of Queer Soul Founder & CEO Of Born Worthy Records KOKUMOTheQueenOfQueerSoul (talk) 14:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @KOKUMOTheQueenOfQueerSoul: Because you have missed the entire point of Wikipedia I am racist? You can't control a Wikipedia page. I am not trying to silence you nor discourage you, I want you to read the policies so you can fully understand how Wikipedia. Your account may be blocked due to your recent contributions, though. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
N/A
Since it has been a while since we last spoke, just curious to know what you’ve been up to on Wikipedia? Foxnpichu (talk) 23:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, hi! You wouldn't believe all that's been going on. Well, I became a recent changes patroller. I use Twinkle to combat vandalism and I have made a lot of edits. Trying to become extra-auto comfirmed. SoyokoAnis 23:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- @SoyokoAnis - Good to hear! Foxnpichu (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Foxnpichu, thank you! SoyokoAnis 13:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @SoyokoAnis - Good to hear! Foxnpichu (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, hi! You wouldn't believe all that's been going on. Well, I became a recent changes patroller. I use Twinkle to combat vandalism and I have made a lot of edits. Trying to become extra-auto comfirmed. SoyokoAnis 23:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Speedy deletion
I noticed that you recently place speedy deletion templates on a couple of articles, but they did not meet the criteria. Please review WP:CSD before tagging any further articles. Thankyou. wjematherplease leave a message... 14:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wjemather, one of the articles I tagged met the requirements. It's a duplicate of an existing article. SoyokoAnis 14:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Emiliano Martínez (footballer, born 1999) and Emiliano Martínez (footballer, born 1992) are not the same people; the articles are not duplicates. wjematherplease leave a message... 14:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Wjemather, one of the articles I tagged met the requirements. It's a duplicate of an existing article. SoyokoAnis 14:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
That is so confusing. I apologize. SoyokoAnis 14:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- No problem. There are so many similarly or identically named sportspeople that have articles, it's easy to confuse them sometimes – I can't recall their name now, but there are a pair of footballers (same nationality) who had to be disambiguated by month of birth as well as year! wjematherplease leave a message... 14:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Wow. SoyokoAnis 14:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Your thread has been archived
Hi SoyokoAnis! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse,
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On video game articles
Hi. It is preferable to use the term "the player" instead of "you" when adding info on what players can do in video games. Also be sure to add a source for what you add. I can see there is a lot of other unsourced content already present in The Sims FreePlay. I’ve tagged that accordingly. SK2242 (talk) 14:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Page move?
Can you explain this page move where you've left no summary? WP:COMMONNAME indicates to me that this should've been left. CUPIDICAE💕 16:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- I left a summary? By excess, I think their full name would fit with the title. But if you feel like it doesn't please undo my edit or I can undo it if you wish. SoyokoAnis 16:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- "excess" doesn't explain clearly why an article that's been under that name since its inception 15 years ago was moved. Not to mention, every single source that discusses him in any detail calls him "Gary Roberts". CUPIDICAE💕 17:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Praxidicae: I just felt as the birthdate didn't look right in the article title. SoyokoAnis 18:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- We literally have hundreds of articles dabbed like this. We don't use full names like this unless it's what they are commonly known by. It's unlikely someone looking for a footy player named Gary Roberts is going to come searching for his full first middle and last name when no sources that cover him are using it. CUPIDICAE💕 18:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Praxidicae:, I understand. I apologize for the rename/move. I don't wanna cause any trouble. Should I revert it back? SoyokoAnis 18:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- We literally have hundreds of articles dabbed like this. We don't use full names like this unless it's what they are commonly known by. It's unlikely someone looking for a footy player named Gary Roberts is going to come searching for his full first middle and last name when no sources that cover him are using it. CUPIDICAE💕 18:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Praxidicae: I just felt as the birthdate didn't look right in the article title. SoyokoAnis 18:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- "excess" doesn't explain clearly why an article that's been under that name since its inception 15 years ago was moved. Not to mention, every single source that discusses him in any detail calls him "Gary Roberts". CUPIDICAE💕 17:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Teahouse Host
Thank you for volunteering as a Host at the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a community of people working together to make knowledge free. You are an important part of that effort! By joining as a Host, and by following our expectations, you are helping new users to get started here at Wikipedia, and aiding more experienced users who just have a question about how something works. We appreciate your willingness to help!
Here are some links you may find helpful as a Host:
- Useful scripts you can install to make responding easier,
- templates to use and, of course:
- the question forum itself.
As you've only made around 100 edits to mainspace so far, do please make sure you only answer those questioners you are absolutely confident of helping. (Answering from the perspective of a relative newcomer is, itself, really useful, of course) Please also consider changing the colour of your signature; pale blue on a white background is extremely hard for anyone without 20:20 vision to read.
- Nick Moyes, questions. I thought you needed 500+ mainspace edits to become a host? SoyokoAnis 13:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's not a formal requirement; more something we'd like to see, and to steer people away from adding their names if they've simlly spent all their time juet tweaking their userpages - which has happened. Anyone can answer TH questions if they want to -rhey dont even need to sign themselves up as Hosts. The priority is to be helpful to newcomers. I'm sure you'll be fine if you bear that in mind. It's a great way to learn, too. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Ah okay! Thank you. SoyokoAnis - talk 23:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Re: March 2021
Actually, I explained why in the edit summary... --151.66.75.160 (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- What? SoyokoAnis - talk 14:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- The information in the text I removed (and you restored) from Range safety was yes, correct, but unrelated to what the page is talking about. Range safety talks about controlled explosions, the Ariane 5 rocket exploded due to aerodynamic forces, not for flight termination --151.66.75.160 (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Could you show a diff so I can see what I reverted? SoyokoAnis - talk 14:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- The information in the text I removed (and you restored) from Range safety was yes, correct, but unrelated to what the page is talking about. Range safety talks about controlled explosions, the Ariane 5 rocket exploded due to aerodynamic forces, not for flight termination --151.66.75.160 (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
About Win Maw Oo
Hi SoyokoAnis,
Given the recent updates to that article, could you perhaps reconsider the WP:A1 and WP:A7 speedy deletion tags you added?
Please let me know if I can help you out with this, and please do feel ask me any questions whatsoever about editing the English language Wikipedia.
Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Shirt58, I could reconsider them but the article needs a little bit of work. SoyokoAnis - talk 13:03, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Inappropriate tagging, final warning
You came across my watchlist again today when you adjusted tags on a couple articles incorrectly again, so I took a look at other recent tagging you've done and found nearly all of them are incorrect. Please, stop tagging any articles with Twinkle or for CSD, as you were asked to stop earlier this year. You are still making the same mistakes, such as tagging stubs with "lead too short" and "cleanup". We know stubs are short, that's why we call them stubs which are already categorized for improvements. You've continued to misapplied CSD A1 and other CSD tags as well. -- ferret (talk) 13:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ferret, for a few of the articles I had tagged there were only a few references in fact some of them had either two or one. I marked another article Lead too short because the lead was short, almost one sentence. I had read what the lead meant in an article and that is why I tagged it. And then another article did need some content categories. And then one of them did need cleanup because an image was placed incorrectly. SoyokoAnis - talk 13:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Why are you tagging articles as having no references 60 seconds after they have been created? this and this is completely inappropriate and I thought both mine and Ferret's previous warnings and comments got through but it doesn't appear to be the case. CUPIDICAE💕 15:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Praxidicae when I go to the New Pages Feed I always check references, the lead, and catogories. Why would you create an article but not add references? That is why I tag them. Secondly, you warned me about page moving not tagging articles. SoyokoAnis - talk 04:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello there, I just removed speedy deletion tag from this article. This does not qualify for A1, there is enough context to identify that the subject is an American standup comedian who specializes in observational comedy. You may reassess it and tag it for A7 or anyother suitable tag but A1 does not apply here. Thanks. Hitro talk 07:25, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
ANI
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--CUPIDICAE💕 12:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Temporary partial block from the main article space
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. El_C 13:33, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
SoyokoAnis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
This is not really an unblock request more a downgrade to the current block I have. I have a few questions. What was wrong with the 2 weeks block I had before? What does CIR or Taxing mean? What? Other namespaces? I am very confused. SoyokoAnis - talk 18:29, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Oh, I thought piping to WP:CIR above with "competence deficiencies" was clear... Taxing means, erm, taxing — like, this demonic kitty is taxing my patience and/or immortal soul. El_C 20:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- El_C I just realized I knew what CIR meant. I thought it meant something else. Also I never heard or seen anyone except you use the word taxing. I learned something new today. :) SoyokoAnis - talk 21:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just me and Frank Bruni, I guess... https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/opinion/sunday/bruni-taxing-my-patience.html El_C 21:21, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- El_C I just realized I knew what CIR meant. I thought it meant something else. Also I never heard or seen anyone except you use the word taxing. I learned something new today. :) SoyokoAnis - talk 21:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Block extended, converted to sitewide
Sorry, SoyokoAnis, but in light of multiple additional concerns from multiple users, I've extended your block to 3 months and converted it to sitewide, as these seem to involve other namespaces where you have been displaying similar CIR lapses. Note that I was asked to make it a year or two, but I think that'd be excessive at this time. That said, if similar issues present themselves once the block expires, then a very lengthy block duration is likely to be expected. El_C 16:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
To your response on WP:ANI
Hello, TimothyBlue! I have seen your message on ANI and yes I would love for someone to help me. Thank you. SoyokoAnis - talk 03:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- SoyokoAnis I'm very happy to hear this. I will do everything I can. // Timothy :: talk 03:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, however I am not sure there is much you can do at the moment. I originally had to wait 2 weeks not 3 months. So uh, yeah. SoyokoAnis - talk 03:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Timothy, if you're open to mentorship, then we can try that. But, otherwise, SoyokoAnis does need to concentrate on learning rather than doing (not to mention teaching), which this block action intends to enforce. El_C 05:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- SoyokoAnis, would you accept a restriction from anything other than building or expanding articles? this would include tagging articles, using Twinkle/Redwarn, warning other editors (you can discuss, just not warn), participating in deletions of any kind (AfD/CSD/PROD), and not answering questions at the teahouse (if someone asks you a question on a talk page its fine to discuss or offer an opinion).
- I'd expect you not to request lifting this ban for an extended period of time (12 months or longer if El C decides thats best) and even then only slowly working with a mentor on these areas slowly, and only after you've established a solid record and experience in content creation and development. The reason why you're experiencing problems in these areas is you do not have experience in content creation and development; there is a big difference between following an example you see (which is what you're doing) and working from experience (which is what makes a productive editor), I hope this makes some sense, but if not I think it will in a few months. Personally I'd say leave these areas completely, no reason to revisit trouble.
- Content creation and building articles isn't what everyone wants to do, so take a couple of days off Wikipedia to think about this (or as more time if you wish, the word slowly needs to be your mantra from now on) and let this bad moment pass (I know when I've had a negative experience here it's helped to take a break and then try and return fresh), then answer myself and El C. I'd also be interested to know what languages you are fluent in and if you've worked on other Wikipedia sites in other languages.
- If you decide you want to proceed, you'll take a week to study some guidelines on content creation, style, and sourcing, (I never would have guessed how much there is to learn about Wikipedia, it takes time and study and usually some help to be a good editor) then you can pick an article to build up or create (you'll probably find this much more rewarding than tagging articles). After you start, you can go as slow as you like; if you decide this is not what you want after all, no problem just let El C know, Wikipedia editing is not for everyone and you may find you're not enjoying it.
- El C is one of my mentors, so don't think having a mentor is anything negative (I should be clear am not an admin). // Timothy :: talk 07:25, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- And just to be completely clear: None of this guarantees the ban mentioned above, will ever be lifted, admins might decide its best it be permanant and again I'm not an admin so I have no power or ability to lift it, and very little if any input on the matter, they will be looking at your editing and not my opinion if the time ever comes to review it. Please don't go forward if the only reason is to have the ban lifted. 07:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Timothy, if you're open to mentorship, then we can try that. But, otherwise, SoyokoAnis does need to concentrate on learning rather than doing (not to mention teaching), which this block action intends to enforce. El_C 05:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, however I am not sure there is much you can do at the moment. I originally had to wait 2 weeks not 3 months. So uh, yeah. SoyokoAnis - talk 03:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
ANI update
I've updated the noticeboard about this possible mentorship offer: ANI#Update: probationary mentorship offer. Full disclosure: I'm fond of Timothy (Hi! ), but when he says "mentor," he mans it informally (compliment monster wallows in his praise, of course!). I've had a few mentorship requests over the years, but never felt inclined to enter into such an arrangement, due to... reasons. El_C 12:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- TimothyBlue thank you for the words of encouragement. This seems like a very kind offer and would help me over time. Yes, in fact, I'll remove Twinkle from my gadgets until you say I can add it back. SoyokoAnis - talk 13:14, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- TimothyBlue, El C. Yes, I accept. SoyokoAnis - talk 13:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Unblocked. El_C 14:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- El C, may I have permission to clear this page? SoyokoAnis - talk 14:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- You don't need permission to do so. It's your talk page. El_C 14:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- I know, I just thought so I don't get blocked again I should probably ask before I most things. Anyways, thanks. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue Okay. I am only fluent in English but I am trying to learn Japanese and Spanish. However I am not fully fluent in either. And, no I don't have any questions. I'll make sure to view the reading tomorrow. Thank you. SoyokoAnis - talk 23:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- I know, I just thought so I don't get blocked again I should probably ask before I most things. Anyways, thanks. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- You don't need permission to do so. It's your talk page. El_C 14:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- El C, may I have permission to clear this page? SoyokoAnis - talk 14:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Unblocked. El_C 14:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- TimothyBlue, El C. Yes, I accept. SoyokoAnis - talk 13:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Wonderful, SoyokoAnis I will post some reading here tonight or tommororow morning. Two questions: May I ask what languages you are fluent in? and do you have any questions about the terms of your unblock as written above? 23:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- New Comment SoyokoAnis, unfortunately a situation has arisen today and I am going to be significantly reducing my time on Wikipedia. I have one outstanding project that I am going to try and complete and then I will take an extended or permanant break. I need to seriously reevaluate if my effort here to improve the encyclopedia is worth the time I have invested. Therefore I need to back out on being your mentor. I am really sorry, I was looking forward to working with you. I would suggest going to the teahouse and asking for a mentor at this point. I'm sorry about the very bad timing, but today was very unexpected. El C, I am backing out of being SoyokoAnis mentor; I regret this. I am going to focus on working on the Arab states–Israeli alliance against Iran article and then as I said take an extended or permanant break. // Timothy :: talk 00:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue Ah, okay. Does this mean I get blocked again? SoyokoAnis - talk 01:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hopefully El C will find you another mentor. I really am sorry. // Timothy :: talk 01:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- While I search for a new mentor I will do my best to avoid my past mistakes. I won't be tagging articles or participating in discussions where I am inexperienced. SoyokoAnis - talk 01:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hopefully El C will find you another mentor. I really am sorry. // Timothy :: talk 01:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe mentorship wasn't really the right path. SoyokoAnis - talk 02:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it certainly was the path that led to your unblock. El_C 03:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- @SoyokoAnis and El_C: This is a mess, but I don't want things to completely fall apart just because another editor is leaving the project for unrelated reasons, so I'd be willing to step into their place and try this out, if you both agree.SoyokoAnis: the terms of the proposed mentorship would be firm. I'd like you to focus exclusively on writing or expanding articles with reliable sourcing, initially in your sandbox for me to review. Nothing else: no CSD tagging, no AFD nominations or !votes, no Twinkle or RedWarn (which I noticed you have re-enabled recently). This voluntary restriction would extend for as long as necessary, several months at minimum, possibly longer. Content creation is difficult but doable, and it's the only way to regain the community's trust at this point. I want to see you get there and will help you along the way, if you would like. (However, if I notice any breaches of the mentorship terms at any time, I will suspend the offer and ask El_C to reimpose the site-wide block, so please make sure you are ready and willing to put in the work. Really, if you feel like these terms are too restrictive for you to even enjoy editing on Wikipedia, there's no point in this for any of us, so consider carefully. There's no shame in declining!) Best, DanCherek (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- DanCherek, thanks for stepping up! You take point. El_C 04:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Please be aware that I will be keeping an eye as well. I don't think we're off to a good start as Timothy outlined not using Redwarn or Twinkle in his original restrictions, and yet that's almost all Soyoko has done since being unblocked. -- ferret (talk) 12:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- I really want to enjoy my time on Wikipedia but if I want to gain community trust and stay unblocked I guess this really at this point is my only option. Sure. SoyokoAnis - talk 12:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- I have created a mentoring subpage at User:DanCherek/Mentorship/SoyokoAnis and have pinged you there. This is just to keep things organized; obviously anyone is welcome to watchlist the page to follow along. Please respond there when you get a chance (no rush, the point is to take things slowly) and let me know if you have any questions. DanCherek (talk) 16:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- @SoyokoAnis and El_C: This is a mess, but I don't want things to completely fall apart just because another editor is leaving the project for unrelated reasons, so I'd be willing to step into their place and try this out, if you both agree.SoyokoAnis: the terms of the proposed mentorship would be firm. I'd like you to focus exclusively on writing or expanding articles with reliable sourcing, initially in your sandbox for me to review. Nothing else: no CSD tagging, no AFD nominations or !votes, no Twinkle or RedWarn (which I noticed you have re-enabled recently). This voluntary restriction would extend for as long as necessary, several months at minimum, possibly longer. Content creation is difficult but doable, and it's the only way to regain the community's trust at this point. I want to see you get there and will help you along the way, if you would like. (However, if I notice any breaches of the mentorship terms at any time, I will suspend the offer and ask El_C to reimpose the site-wide block, so please make sure you are ready and willing to put in the work. Really, if you feel like these terms are too restrictive for you to even enjoy editing on Wikipedia, there's no point in this for any of us, so consider carefully. There's no shame in declining!) Best, DanCherek (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
A word of encouragement
I'm not very active on the 'pedia these days. I just try to fix things up here and there and do some quiet projectspace work. I keep meaning to get back into editing more regularly, but something always distracts me. So, when I see your edits, the first thing that strikes me is admiration for your enthusiasm for making Wikipedia better. That's something even a lot of more experienced editors often lack.
I was more active once, though. I renamed my account a while back and consider everything since then to be "the softest of clean starts," so I usually don't discuss those years, but seeing your case really reminded me of how I was when I was a new editor. I was enthusiastic, always looking for somewhere to help—and like you, I read all of the policies, more or less. In fact, I read them so thoroughly that many people were convinced I was a sockpuppet based on how well I knew them. But all of that reading still didn't help me. I still got in conflict with other users, and in trouble with administrators. Frankly it's a miracle that I was only blocked once for a few hours.
I'd seen your name here and there, and popped by your page today to see how you're doing, and saw the above drama. I read through the ANI discussion, and was struck by User:Vaticidalprophet's point about how hard Wikipedia is to navigate as a newcomer. I also saw your comment from a while ago about how if you've read all the policies, that should be enough. And in a way, that should be true, but the way things are set up here, everyone needs to spend a long time absorbing the way they work (the common law of Wikipedia policy, if that analogy makes sense) before they can flourish.
Another thing you have in common with the me of eight years ago is that you got lucky: Rather than a trigger-happy admin blocking you at your first mistake, clearly you have gained the attention of some people who really want to help you become the savvy Wikipedian you clearly aim to be. Even your block, and the ANI support for it, seem to all have happened with the best of intentions. All of these people have all given you some really good advice, and I hope you're listening to it. It's great that you've got a mentor, and I definitely hope you listen to him in particular, and continue to take things slow.
But in all this, just remember: You have the will and the enthusiasm to improve the encyclopedia, and those are the hard parts, the parts a mentor can't give you. What's left is the easy part, which is learning how to apply of that in a way that meshes well with the efforts of others.
Wishing you the best. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 11:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)