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Political Arabness
Actually, on a personal not, I don't agree with the definition of Arab being any citizen of a country which has Arabic as one of the official or national languages or an Arab Leage member country (which by definition requires the country have Arabic as one of its official languages, even if it's not spoken by anyone in that country). Nevertheless, that political definition exists so it must be mentioned. That's why it's there. I was merely clarifying what was written. So I absolutely don't have a belief that any citzen of the Arab world is an Arab. But that's just my opinion, and the article's content can't be skewed based on that.
You mentioned wanting to distinguish between the "Arab citzen" and the "Ethnic Arab", the latter which you mistakenly attribute to "Ancient Arabs Qahtani Arabs, Adnani Arabs". Those you mention as being "Ethnic Arabs" are in fact "Genealogical Arabs", which are a third category of Arabs if you wish. Ethnicity has more to do with culture and language, not geneaology. Now, with this proper understanding, I am pretty sure you now understand that in the Arab world the "Ethnic Arabs" are the majority in all the Arab nations, including even Egypt, as on an ethnic (cultural/linguistic) level, almost the entire Egyptian population is Arab, or Arabized if you wish. Having said that, almost the entire population is also not genealogically Arab. But this is also the case of Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and not just of Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, etc. In the case of Sudan, the situation is altogether different to any of the countries mentioned. Most of the Sudanese are not only non-genealogically Arab, but the majority of the population isn't Arab based on ethnicity either, as most are still not Arabized.
As such, "Arabs" are the majority of the populations in every countries of North Africa and the Middle East, to the exception of Sudan whose population would only ever be considered "Arab" based on "politics" as the country is a member of the Arab League (the majority of the population is not Arabized, not ethnically arab, not genealogically arab, not arabic-speaking, and of the minority which is "Arab", almost all of them would be so ethnically not genealogically) and of course Iran and Turkey. Of all these countries which have Arab majorities, most of their "Arabs" would be "ethnic arabs", including Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, etc with few that are also Arab based on genealogy. Then only in countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, United Arab Emirates, etc are most of the Arabs not only ethnically arab, but also genealogically Arab. Al-Andalus 04:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to WikiProject Saudi Arabia
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Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 21:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello again
Hello again , it's very good to have you in our wikiproject . Yes you right there is not much about ancient arabia's history so one of the Saudi wikiproject tasks is the history of the arabian peninsula :) . if you like to divide tasks about far and near history it would be much better because i dont know much about far history of yemen . but no doubt Qahtans (Joktans in english) are yemenis , they still remain in this area until nowadays even. biblican refer Qahtan to Eber which he lived for long time in yemen for Tribe of Aad. and some other arab historians refer Qahtan and Adnan to Ya'arob . which he lived in yemen also before the distruction of Maa'rib .
Anyways , lets keep "Ancient Arabia" for the far history of Arabia . and "Pre-Islamic Arabia" for the short period before the appearance of Islam (Jahiliyah Period). Agree ? Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 07:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi ammar thats what I am trying to do, but the article is being merged by an "Assyrianist" who doesn't want to mention that the Akkadians came from Arabia, although it is in the official mesopotamia website[1](its a formidable website (Washington State University official study) so I am not quoting Arabist or Islamic websites!
And its the first website that pops up when you google search "Akkadians" [2] so I am not cherry picking. that along with the shared language between East Yemenites/Omanis (eastern South Semitic) and the Eastern Semitic language confirming shared origin somewhere in Arabia.
I will revert the article, so if you can protect from constant vandalizing it will be much easier for me to refine. And Ancient Arabs should go between 3000BC and the Hellenic invasion of the Mideast 330BC. Just thats a thought as of now I am trying to refine the article quality. --Skatewalk 09:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- ok i'll see what i can do Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 14:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Update on Ancient Arabs
The Vandal already semi-blocked the Ancient Arabs article. I created a new article Ancient Arab tribes whenever the Vnadal problem is fixed it can be merged into Ancient Arabs. I will make sure I fix this article this whole month, because its a very important part of Arab history. --Skatewalk 14:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- You right , thanx boss. try also to add your references as Notes. do you know how ? Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 17:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- First , make a sector . name it "notes" or "references" or "websources".
- Add <references/> to this new section and forget about it.
- For any statment in the article you need to add a source, add <ref>[THE_FULL_WEBPAGE_ADDRESS_HERE ''THE DISCRIBTION HERE'']</ref> right next to the statement .
- thats all. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 23:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks --Skatewalk 03:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- i didnt see your notes , but i fixed the last 3 notes in Ancient Arabia , you can simulate the way :) . i don't know if you can merge the articles , they look diffrente . anyways , contact with User:Slackerlawstudent . he is the history specialist in the wikiproject , beside you too :) . message back when you need help. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 11:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Careless comments
Skatewalk, I am saddened by the tone of several remarks you have made at Talk:Ancient history of Yemen that accuse two other editors, including me, of an "agenda." Some remarks could be construed as personal attacks. I assume that these remarks are the result of carelessness. I am writing to you in the belief that we can work together for the sake of a better article, rather than basing our relations on mistrust or anger. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 18:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Correct if I am wrong? Thats your comment right?
12:53, 10 August 2007 Alarob (Talk | contribs) (18,197 bytes) (RV per talk page. Very poor English. Undid revision 150363916 by Skatewalk (talk)) (undo) --Skatewalk 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- That's correct. It is a remark about the text, not the author, and I consider it accurate according to an objective standard of correct English usage. I am sorry if it offended you. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 21:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see anything wrong with it. --Skatewalk 03:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- I am surprised. There are significant errors in every sentence. Here is a link to the diff. Correcting each error would take more time than I can devote to it now, and you might not appreciate the effort. I'll wait for you to indicate whether you want to discuss this in detail. Maybe you could pick out a sentence or two that seem OK to you. My concern about courtesy still stands, and I hope the insulting language at Talk:Ancient history of Yemen is at an end. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 14:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I saw alot of articles that looked worse, you could have helped by fixing it instead of being rude/arrogant. English is the third or second language in most Arabs nations. --Skatewalk 13:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- I freely admit that your English is much better than my Arabic. I apologize a second time for offending you. It was not my intention. I will now point out a single serious error, and leave the next step to you. In English, was is singular and were is plural. So one region of Yemen was, and two regions of Yemen were. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 15:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Saw your response on my talk page. Jazakallah. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 23:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Ancient Arabs
Ok my friend. Just give me a few days. -- Slacker 00:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Why did you remove Osroene?
Hi,
There are many sources referring to Arabs who ruled Osroene. Please read the page Osroene and its Talk page. Roman sources consider the ruling class and inhabitants of Osroene as ethnic Arabs. The main reasonm that I added the material was that Ancient Arabs is redirect to Ancient Arabia.Heja Helweda 21:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi heja, I didn't remove it I just added it in a section below the Nabateans in the article. Thanks for your contribution. spaas --Skatewalk 22:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you!Heja Helweda 22:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)