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Please see the new "My opinions..." texts on my user page which cover most of what I have to say on biographic article naming issues. [[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing#top|talk]]) 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC) |
Please see the new "My opinions..." texts on my user page which cover most of what I have to say on biographic article naming issues. [[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing#top|talk]]) 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Blanche/Blanka of Namur == |
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You may be interested in [[Talk:Blanka of Namur#Move to Blanche of Namur]]. [[User:Surtsicna|Surtsicna]] ([[User talk:Surtsicna|talk]]) 20:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC) |
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Let's be nice!
OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Let's write on article talk pages
before starting things here unecessarily - OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Let's stick to the facts!
OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Let's even supply/quote reliable sources!
OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Let's sign our posts!
With four of these ~ OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Now, go for it!
OK? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Lets use the sandbox for testing!
Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for reverting your recent experiment with the page Queen consort of Canute I of Sweden. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment further, please use your sandbox instead, as someone could see your edit before you revert it. Thank you. Nyciscool (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry! I redirected before explaining on the talk page. It took me another 2 minutes to fix it. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, welcome to the land of the logged-in
I probably wouldn't have been the best person to help you anyway, as the technical aspects of Wikipedia tend to be beyond me, but I'm always glad to at least make an attempt. Cheers, Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Good to hear from you! I've laughed myself half sick, by the way, over your "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which this user will not put." You may have to adopt me, if there's room under your wing. When can I vote for you for the Board? SergeWoodzing (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Ingeborg of Norway
Have you read this book? There are hundreds of thousands of women who were mother of kings withouth having the title of queen mother. That it a title. She was not even de facto queen mother, only de facto mother of a king. If we intend to use that for all mother of kings who were not queen mothers, then there would be many more to add to this. This phrase: don't make changes just to make changes! is something you use toward me to make me sound like a non-serious editor, because I have insulted your pride in a previous discussion. You also lectured me because you were offended when I gave you advice earlier. I gave you advice to make an article as good as possible, not in the intent to insult you, and I will not be offended when you try to do the same with me. This is not very mature, nor is it very usefull of you as an editor. But if it is important to you to restore your pride this way, then I will happily let this be. I hope your damaged pride are somewath restored by this, so that you can return to the good work you have done before. And once again: I am very sorry that I have wounded your pride. Again: this was not my intention. As I am not myself interested in status or prestige, I may lack sensitivity toward these feelings in others. As a woman, I am well aware of the fact that men in academic circles tend to lock themselwes in their positions if their pride and prestige have been offended. Please try to keep wounded pride and such things out of your work as an editor, and not let them affect the so far very good work you do. My appology is sensere, and for your sake, and to give you the chance to revocer your hurt feelings, I will refrain from making further edits on wikipedia for a while. I will also try do avoid going in to discussions with you in the future. I am not hurt in any way wathsoever, I have the outmost respect for you, and I hope you can forgive all hurt feelings I may have caused you due to my insensitivity. Please forgive me. I do not require any reply from you, in this page or in the Ingeborg- and queen mother pages, and will not look for any replys on these pages either: if you write them, I will no read them. Please let us cut all further contact: I said I was not interested in prestige, and I ment it, so to me, such discussions will mean nothing more than two people making themselwes feel bad. Again: my appologies! Regards, --85.226.43.148 (talk) 11:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Helena Mattsson
I'm not certain it's vandalism, per se, in that I suspect it's well-intentioned. It looks to me like he thinks he has a picture that would be better than the one in there now, and can't figure out how to put it in. Of course, it's likely that if he does have such an image, it's non-free and therefore unsuitable for use here. Anyway, I've reverted his most recent round of edits and left him a note on his talk page; hopefully we'll get this straightened out. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 06:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Swedish administrators
I don't know of any offhand, and this search to find admins at the Swedish Wikipedia who are also editors here didn't turn up any names that I recognized. This fellow is an admin both here and at sv-wiki, so he might be somebody to ask, though he hasn't been editing much lately (and doesn't have e-mail enabled). Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 17:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I am really sorry
I am really sorry that you interpreted my admission of possibly being dense and having paroquial views as being a snide attempt to accuse you of accusing me of it. Fact is that I am sometimes dense and that we all have a tendency to being paroquial in our views sometimes. When i said that I may be dense I meant that it may be obvious that there is a more global view, but that I am somehow not seeing it possibly because of my admittedly paroquial outlook on the description of Danish history. I really was not trying to be snide or pick a fight with you. I apologize for coming off as sarcastic and unforthcoming - it was NOT my intention.·Maunus·ƛ· 17:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, you prove yourself to be a gentleman. I am very sensitive about having any messages left here that are not necessary. This one was quite welcome. Thank you! I hope we can cooperate on some future work. Sincerely, SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- So do I!·Maunus·ƛ· 17:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Kings of many places
You will find much support at WP:NCNT, which explains that we choose to title articles with simple forms, like James I of England, not James VI of Scotland and I of England and Ireland - and why. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Brown nomination
How and where can one comment on your review of James Brown (with which I agree)? I would like to improve (shorten) the one image caption you mentioned to neutralize it and mention that so had been done as a comment under your point about it in your review. I would also like to comment about the main photo at the top of the page, which I feel is very bad as a representative portrait of Brown and out of the question as such for a good article. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC).
- You can either go to Talk:James Brown/GA1 or to Talk:James_Brown and click on the [Edit] buttons. You can create a new section by using three =, as in ===New section===. I hope that helps. SilkTork *YES! 12:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Queen consorts
Well, sorry about that - of course I did not mean to be rude. I was just trying to explain why I considered your suggestion to be impracticable. I apologise for the other user, who should know better. Deb (talk) 20:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I was quite taken aback by the hostility from that end. Gloomy forecast for me to do much good with royalty articles, huh? Since I hate to argue with people who are (habitually?) nasty. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Re: Image problems
Wow, you weren't kidding! I just deleted the lot of them instead of flooding PUF with what are surely images stolen from around the Web. The uploader has also been blocked for a while. Thanks for the heads-up. (ESkog)(Talk) 21:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Your opinion
Hello, Serge! I can see you are very interested in Swedish royalty, so I'd like to know what's your opinion on gender equality in the House of Bernadotte.
I suppose that you support equal primogeniture. My favourite type of primgeniture is cognatic (male-preferance) primgeniture. I do not like agnatic (male-only) primogeniture because it is nice to see a female monarch from time to time; however, I do not like equal primogeniture either because it is not equal enough.
The engagement of the Crown Princess of Sweden made me think about the future of the House of Bernadotte. Dniel will not be Crown Prince of Sweden and I can partially understand that (though wives of heirs apparent share their spouse's title), but how is that justified? Daniel will probably not be king either (though wives of kings are queens and Carl XVI Gustaf's wife is queen). That's why I don't like equal primogeniture - it's not equal. Husbands of queens regnant are not styled as kings because it is presumed that the masculine title of king outranks the feminine title of queen. Is that gender equality? Is this inequality somehow justified in Sweden?
Also, the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland's future husband won't be prince of Sweden. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for her brother's wife not to be princess (assuming her brother marries with the consent). However, if the future Duchess of Värmland is made a princess, the issue of inequality will (or should) definitely arise.
What do you think? Surtsicna (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Surtsicna! I agree with you whole-heartedly about the half-hearted pseudo-equality as it is developing in Sweden, especially in the last step with the almost shocking news that Bergström will not be prince. Unfortunately this kind of half-heartedness is rather typical in Sweden. Things started getting that way, and have gotten worse and worse, since King Gustaf V decided not to have a coronation back in 1907. Deteriorated to the point where the current king sat next to the Throne (on a fancy chair) when Victoria was installed in 1995 as of age to be regent, which I thought was embarassing and looked ridiculous. Though 80% of the people want the monarchy the Swedish royals and their court keep treading on ice which is imaginarily thin (as felt by them). They are aware that anything they might do that could be considered too much will be used against them very loudly by political opponents.
- Re: being King consort, I feel that is a matter of history and language more than equality. Prince consort has already been pretty firmly established, as has king for rulers exclusively. Principally, however, of course you are right there too. SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- PS - Generally, re: inheritance of any and all kinds, I think female such would have made more sense even in our culture (as it has in many other societies in anthropology), but that is actually a more utopian thought. Today, I think male inheritance makes more sense than before, with the condition that there now always should be DNA tests involved whenever any inheritance of major importance comes up. Here I do like more recent Swedish legislation giving full inheritance to any child born in or out of wedlock (you cannot write your children out of your will in Sweden). SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with all of your statements - and I mean all. The way they (most of European monarchs) treat tradition and monarchy is disgusting. Discarding coronation is also a shame. They suddenly decided that it was not democratic. What's undemocratic about coronation? Is the UK undemocratic? Sure, it is unequal and unfair for a younger male to precede his older sister, but monarchy is meant to be unequal and unfair; is it fair for someone to be head of state just because of his/her ancestry? My point is: if they keep going towards equality, Sweden will end up as en elective monarchy. I am a monarchist, but if I can't have a traditionally unequal and unfair monarchy, I would rather have a republic than a Scandinavian type of monarchy.
- Yes, prince consort has already been firmly established, but so has been agnatic primogeniture. If the latter is abolished on the basis of not being neutral, why was the former kept? I know we're right, but is this inequality somehow justified in Sweden? Surtsicna (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- I might attempt to get that last question to go public in Sweden when we get a little closer to these marriage events. Thank you for inspiring me to do so! SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Kounting Karls
So, if I understand — Karl Knutsson knew his proper number was II, and put that on his wife's gravestone; but the next Karl (perhaps unaware of this) called himself IX, and his predecessors were retrospectively renumbered. How do you like my latest change? —Tamfang (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- All correctly understood and very nicely fixed now. Thank you! # IX intentionally exaggerated the importance of his name by adding 6 fictitious Carls to the list between him and # II; he and later Carls also tried to cover up that tombstone info which was not published until 1820. The stone is still there today and quite legibly reads that she was the wife of Caroli Secundi. SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- Between him and II, or before I? —Tamfang (talk) 20:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
- That's is a very sharp question. It is generally thought that Carl IX knew he was actually Carl III but added Carls before him for his own glorification. The subsequent and consequential tradition of numbering Carl I as VII and Carl II as VIII would however be based on the 6 having been counted as having existed before Carl I, which they did not. Carl I (Sweartgarson) of course never used his (correct) numeral of I because he didn't know there would ever be more Carls after him. The name was unusual and relatively new in Scandinavia then, having meandered in due course into the nomenclature there via Germany, it is thought, after Charlemagne's reign as emperor. SergeWoodzing (talk) 05:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Between him and II, or before I? —Tamfang (talk) 20:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
English name forms of Swedish royals
That would be an entirely non-controversial and useful addition. Go for it! In fact, if the English name form is more common among English-language sources, we should use it as the title of the article. For example, Rikissa of Sweden should be moved to Richeza of Sweden because the name Richeza is more familiar to the speakers of English; it should also be consistent with the name of her daughter, Elisabeth Richeza of Poland, and of another Polish queen, Richeza of Lotharingia. Surtsicna (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you! Hope all goes well with it. Re: retitling some articles, I will get back to you on that with kind of a comprehensive proposal I am thinking up to bring all the Swedish royals into a more consistent format - Catherine, not Karin for example. (Don't go worrying about those maiden names/counties for the consorts now, that won't be a part of it). At first I thought I would make new title suggestions as I go along, looking through each article in alphabetical order, and fix a host of Swedishisms etc, but changing some of the main titles first is probably a better idea. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you completely. I am always frustrated when somebody claims that a medieval person's real name is the name used today by the people who live in that person's country. How can one argue that Wikipedia should refer to a certain Juana (known as Juanita to her family) who was christened Iohanna and who married into England and became Jane by her real name?! Anyway, I'm glad we agree. Surtsicna (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- What's nice in this regard about Swedes is that not one of them had a legal name (or spelling of same) until a name law was passed in 1901. So before then, there were no "real names" there that can be forced upon people who use other languages and their phonetics. After 1900 (as a cut-off time) I am usually very particular about adhering to legal spellings (Gustaf not Gustav for example) and not to translate any Swedish names. We should thus name 20th and 21st century Swedes (and others), I think, exactly by the names they had/have in their legal ID's. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- My work on all this has come to a screeching halt. FYI, SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- I won't allow anyone being rude - and reverting non-vandalism without explanation is very rude. Don't give up! Surtsicna (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Good news toward the end of a heavy day. Thx! SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- I won't allow anyone being rude - and reverting non-vandalism without explanation is very rude. Don't give up! Surtsicna (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- My work on all this has come to a screeching halt. FYI, SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- What's nice in this regard about Swedes is that not one of them had a legal name (or spelling of same) until a name law was passed in 1901. So before then, there were no "real names" there that can be forced upon people who use other languages and their phonetics. After 1900 (as a cut-off time) I am usually very particular about adhering to legal spellings (Gustaf not Gustav for example) and not to translate any Swedish names. We should thus name 20th and 21st century Swedes (and others), I think, exactly by the names they had/have in their legal ID's. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you completely. I am always frustrated when somebody claims that a medieval person's real name is the name used today by the people who live in that person's country. How can one argue that Wikipedia should refer to a certain Juana (known as Juanita to her family) who was christened Iohanna and who married into England and became Jane by her real name?! Anyway, I'm glad we agree. Surtsicna (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that it is far more important for us to use legitimate and phonetically viable English-language name forms in titling articles than to count usage elsewhere in each and every case. Obviously, the lesser-known royals of Sweden rarely, if ever, have have been written about in English by native-English-speakers, rather they have been covered in English usually, if at all, by Swedes with (1) little or no knowledge of the legitimate English name forms they could/should have used; and/or (2) with little or no interest in researching such things to do a better job; and/or (3) with some interest in promoting the use of Swedish phonetics in English at the dire expense of the English reader who knows no Swedish. I feel confident that known and respected authorities (to me at least) like Debrett's and Burke's Peerage would agree with using English name forms without ever tallying up what Swedes have written in English. I invite any constructive comments to these assumptions of mine here, comments primarlity then by users basically qualified to write about English and the feasible use of this language. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- The queenly title is neccessary only when more than one princess of a certain country bore the same name. There were three Polish princesses named Richeza, so the titles had to be Richeza of Poland, Queen of Sweden, Richeza of Poland, Queen of Castile and Richeza of Poland, Queen of Hungary. Since this Richeza was the only Richeza of Denmark, the current title is just fine. We should avoid long, clumsy titles; eg. Catherine of Aragon is much better than Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England. Surtsicna (talk) 19:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think consistency is much more important between these namesake queens and that the addition of "Queen of..." always is a good idea: a necessary clarification of who these women are and not at all clumsy. Thus, I do not agree with you re: Catherine either. Only some British people might know that there has only been one Catherine of Aragon in history and that she, thus named, must be that Queen of England we may have heard of. I don't think en.WP is supposed to cater mainly to what Brits might know. There is no British WP (that I know of - perhaps there should be?).
- Seems you could be content in using their nationalities/names before marriage, as I know you are adamant about (and I have conceded on quite remorsefully), and that you then might not want to confuse things even more, in my opinion, by refraining - on rather flimsy grounds (to me, sorry!) - from having their most important position in the article titles. If in one title, let's have it in all, so a majority of readers will have any chance at all to figure out what we are up to! I am a great lover of the strictest possible consistency because I have seen it triumph unquestionably over contrived inconsistency thousands of times in creating much more clarity and much smoother usage. Please forgive me!
- I also believe just as much in a global perspective for all WP projects as I do in using the best possible English to reflect it.
- Looks like you are not in the least afraid that the ghost of a slighted Richeza of Denmark is going to haunt you (I would be), while the other queens rest contentedly in their graves, properly titled in the #1 international language of our times? SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- Before we get deep into this discussion, you should propose including queenly titles here. (Un)fortunatly, I don't think you'll be supported. Why? Because including queenly titles in one group of articles and excluding kingly titles in another group of articles doesn't make sense. Furthermore, the title should be the person's most common name, rather than a whole description of the person. I do not understand your argument regarding Catherine of Aragon; I am Bosnian, not British, and when I open the article about Catherine of Aragon, the lead sentence explains perfectly that she was Queen of England. The title doesn't need to be Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England, Princess of Wales, wife of Henry VIII, daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella for me to understand that she was Queen of England, Princess of Wales, wife of Henry VIII, and daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella. Had she been the only Catherine in the world, the article would be titled simply Catherine. She is not, of course, the only Catherine, but she is the only Catherine of Aragon and thus further disambiguation is unnecessary.
- Regarding maiden names... I understand your concern that these women are somehow deprived, but you have to understand that Wikipedia is not able to invent names for people. Every respected historian refers to Anne Boleyn as Anne Boleyn (not Anne of England, as Anne of England is another person). The same is true for other queens consort; we cannot suddenly decide to refer to Blanche of Castile as Blanche of France because a) she is best known as Blanche of Castile, b) other women are known as Blanche of France. I hope you understand my point.
- About ghosts... I am more afraid that the ghosts of the Polish Richeza's will haunt me because their articles are inconsistent with most other articles about queens, but they must be inconsistent for the sake of disambiguation. I hope Their Late Majesties will forgive me :) Surtsicna (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- The more you argue these points, the less I agree. But I must say your excellent English had me fooled. Congratulations, sincerely! You are as good as native. I dearly wish a lot of other people who imagine they are, were. You didn't have to ridicule my POV like this: "Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England, Princess of Wales, wife of Henry VIII, daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella". I get your POV without your resorting to that kind of nonsense. Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England would do just fine. And bringing up kings is of course almost totally irrelevant, except perhaps where Eric of Pomerania should be Eric of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (there has only been one such of note) or at least Eric of Pomerania, King of Scandinavia. Quite simply put, the pivotal fact, for their notoriety, that these women were queens and the pivotal countries of which they were queens belong in their names if they are to be called (wrongly in my opinion) what their names were before marriage but definitely were not after marriage. I am writing something to put on my user page about some of these things so I don't have to repeat them over and over. It is excrutiatingly tiresome. I don't know how you can stand it. That little text will soon be finished. Till then, good-bye. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for thinking that I was a native speaker of English. It means a lot to me. If only you knew how young I am... Anyway, sorry for ridiculing your POV, it certainly wasn't my intention. However, your POV (as well as my POV) is a POV and as such it doesn't belong to Wikipedia.
- The more we argue, the less we agree. This discussion should be led by more people on a more appropriate place - here.
- Let me know whenever a non-native speaker of English tries to push a nationalistic POV. Bye! Surtsicna (talk) 22:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
You have asked for my oppinion, so I will give it. I think queens should be refferred to by their maiden names. For example: Marie Antoinette was never called ”Marie Antioinette of France”. She was called : ”Marie Antioinette, Queen of France, or : ”Queen Marie Antoinette of France”, but never : ”Marie Antioinette of France”. During her life time, she was the only queen in Fance, and known only as Marie Antoinette, or ”the Queen”; not even then as ”Marie Antioinette of France”. ”Queen” is a title, not a name. In history books, and in reference books, queen are called by the form: ”Marie Antoinette of Austria ”, or perhaps only by their first name. The term ”Marie Antoinette of France” reffers to a Princess of France, not to a Queen of France. If whe always used the form: ”Marie Antoinette of Austria, Queen of France”, we will have problems. There may be many with the same names and position. This we can avoid by adding the years (1755-1793), to a princess with the same name. The term : ”Marie Antoinette of Austria, Queen of France” is only used when there are two princesses with the same name. If the dates of birth and deaths are known, those can also be used. If we use this term for all queens, even when it is not necessary, then we would have titles such as: ”Hedwig Elizabeth Charlotte of Holstein-Gottorp, Queen of Sweden and Norway”, and that is too long. You say, that queens should be called by their queen-title because that would be polite, as it was their highest title. In that case, there a royal princesses who married counts and dukes. Would you then have them be called by their birth titles, because their married titles are lower? In that case, there would be different rules depending on the status of marriage for different princesses, and that would be chaos. This is my opinion of the matter. I am pleased with wikipedia’s current policy as it is, and I have no wish to contest it. If you wich to contest it, then of course you may do so, and see if there is such a support for your POV that this policy can be changed. In that case, I will follow the new policy even if I don’t agree with that. That is all I have to say in the matter, I’m affraid. I am not very interested in discussions, and seldom participate in them. I wish you good luck! The very best wishes,--Aciram (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Lede
Re your edit summary [1] – see lede at Wiktionary. Ad hominem arguments usually turn out to be counter-productive. Cheers, Elphion (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
- My argument is that people who write English poorly, as that particular user does (notwithstanding my possible error with the slang word lede) should not dominate, nay own, certain articles where they obviously do damage to English-language content with less than knowledgeable POV. I feel that it is important for us to protect en.WP against such destructive editing. But I am about to give up and pull out. SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Comments about my user page opinions
Please see the new "My opinions..." texts on my user page which cover most of what I have to say on biographic article naming issues. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Blanche/Blanka of Namur
You may be interested in Talk:Blanka of Namur#Move to Blanche of Namur. Surtsicna (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)