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Speedy Deletion Micro-budding, Mani Skaria, US Citrus
Hello, the above articles were deleted, citing G11. There were references showing the importance of the citrus scientist's contributions to the citrus industry, especially as it relates to the greening disease. There is no compensation for this article writing. I would be happy to submit these articles as a draft for review, and to re-word promotional sounding syntax, but can I get a copy of the articles back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppmd 4 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- G11 is a global criterion and promotional material isn't permitted anywhere, so even if I restored them to a draft they'd be immediately eligible to delete again. You are certainly welcome to give it another try, ensuring to stay completely neutral, sticking to facts the sources verify, and avoiding a "talking up" tone. Articles don't get deleted for being dry or dull, but they do for being promotional. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:03, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, I will certainly change things up, and avoid any of the "talking up" tone - how can I get the articles back to a draft mode? Also do you have any advice on specific verbage in the articles to change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppmd 4 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Verbiage is some of the problem. You're using peacock terms repeatedly like "innovative", "prestigious", stuff like that. A bigger problem, though, is that you're making sweeping "talking up" claims about scientific accomplishments, but "sourcing" them to references like newspapers and agriculture blogs. For claims like that, we'd generally want to see that they are peer-reviewed and have been published. Newspapers are not always the most reliable sources when it comes to science journalism, and certainly anonymous blog entries are not. Also, there's no need to make a big old walled garden, all three subjects aren't independently notable (if even one is). Rather, if the subject is notable, put that in one article, and have redirects to it. The articles essentially repeat one another. You can make a draft by prepending "Draft:" to a page name, so Draft:Example would make a draft for a page called "Example". Once you think the article is ready for mainspace, send it to review through articles for creation. If they agree they'll move it to the main encyclopedia, otherwise they'll tell you what needs fixing so you can keep working on it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:07, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
It's obvious you really think through and spend a lot of time on these analysis. I really appreciate that, and I will definitely make the appropriate changes! I think I will combine the articles into just "micro-budding." I don't have copies of the original articles which were saved, can I get copies of those deleted ones to use as a backbone for the new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppmd 4 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- I can email them to you if you like. Let me know if you'd prefer plain text or wikimarkup. However, please note that the rule against promotional material applies everywhere on Wikipedia, so if reposted without changes, even as drafts, they would be subject to being deleted again. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, we appreciate it, plain text would be fine at ppmd04@gmail.com. Understood.
University of Pretoria Faculty of Theology
Good day , I am contacting you with regards to a Wikipedia page that we wrote on behalf of our client: University of Pretoria - Faculty of Theology, what was deleted on the 25th of August 2017 due to the violation of the G11 rule. I have read similar posts that have been deleted because of the same violation, but what we are kindly requesting from you is to kindly provide us with specific parts that contravene the rule so that we may rectify them ASAP.
The name of the page is University of Pretoria Faculty of Theology. Also, if possible, could you restore the article to draft mode so that we can edit it as per your recommendations.
Looking forward to your response.
Kind regards - --NatposZA (talk) 10:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
- @NatposZA: First, who is "we"? An account must be used by only a single individual. Secondly, you are telling me flat out that you have been editing in defiance of our terms of use by failing to make the disclosures which are mandatory when one is editing for pay, including editing at the request of or on behalf of one's employer. The entire article was an advertisement, essentially a massive faculty and course brochure. I absolutely will not undelete that, to draft or otherwise, and will block you from editing if you make any more edits about the subject, including to discuss it further, without making those mandatory disclosures. If you edit for pay on a different subject, individual disclosures are required for each and every subject on which you edit for pay, and you must follow our conflict of interest requirements in such cases, including putting your suggested edits or articles up for review by non-conflicted editors rather than making or creating them directly. Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Speedy Deletion Datari Turner Productions
Hi, I noticed you deleted the page I created before answering my questions on the talk page. I noticed the article was flagged as the contributor as being paid to create the page and I can assure you I have never been paid or asked to make the page. I have never met Mr. Turner and I will probably never meet him in my life. I am a fan. He is a black role model for youth who aspire to be something in show biz. Under his company Datari Turner productions he has produced and written Film and T.V. shows and worked with actors and actresses such as Demi Moore, Fat Joe, Lil Romeo, Jay-Z to only mention a few. Movies he has worked on have been nominated for Sun Dance Film Festival awards. I guess I am having a hard time seeing why that is not notable. On the talk page I asked how I could improve the page before you go ahead and delete it, but rather than respond to me you just deleted the page. I was wondering if you could speak to that now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macjesu (talk • contribs) 05:14, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Macjesu: Well, to be quite honest with you, to claim you just happened to show up on your own accord, creating similar "articles" that were in fact advertisements, to someone who claimed to be "PR" and did similar things, stretches credulity pretty far. Then you created a "draft" that was a couple of single-event stories from marginal sources acting as a veneer over an exhaustive product list, and rather than having that draft evaluated by articles for creation (which, by the time a page on the subject has already been salted, is pretty much required), you tried to sneak it in at a little different title. Go write a draft, get it approved by AfC, and I'll be happy to unprotect the original title so the AfC reviewer can move it to the encyclopedia. Try tweaking the title a little again and putting it in yourself, and I'll block you from editing altogether. But you'll need better referencing, and the massive product list will need to go. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:16, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade: thank you for addressing my questions. I will admit that I am new to Wikipedia and I thought of this as a way to contribute seeing as I have not had a chance to write an article for something that is not already on the site. My initial article that was deleted was written using the summary of Datari Turner on his imdb page, which maybe is why the page was "similar" to the other deleted articles? I cannot say for sure, all I know is growing up hip hop is an amazing show and it's what brought me to learn about the company. I will try re-writing the page as a draft and getting it approved through AfC as you suggested but if that doesn't work I guess I will be thwarted in my attempts to create a wiki page for once. I'm having fun learning to edit though. Thanks, I didn't mean to be rude with the way I created the page.
- No troubles. You certainly didn't have the greatest of timing, but well, you can hardly be blamed for that. If you want to take a go at doing a draft and see if you can get it up to standards, you're certainly welcome to. Like I said, if AfC approves it, I'll be happy to lift the protection so they can put it in. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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Option to contest
You have deleted my page, a bio on Roberto Malizia for (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). He is a public figure and I only wrote about his life and career, siting over 25 article written about him. I don't understand the connection with advertising. Please help me understand how I violated the G11 rule on a bio. You have many bios on Wiki and I only stated facts that can be researched.
You have deleted my page Willis & Vere, with no option to contest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgebruv772 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Georgebruv772: That is correct. The community has agreed that certain types of pages may be deleted immediately. Promotional articles and advertisements are one such type, criterion G11 at the policy I linked. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Can you explain why this is any different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jollyboat_(comedy_act) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgebruv772 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Other stuff exists is not a valid rationale. Before we proceed further, please clarify whether you are being paid or compensated to work on this article, including being asked or expected to do so as a duty of employment. If so, you will need to make the required disclosures. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
I can honestly answer no to all of the above. All the information is true, and I would argue it is not promoting an individual product, but only the company so much as other Wikipedia pages do. Thanks for getting back to me, hope we can work something out. Georgebruv772 08:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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You're a brave man- fair play on taking on the Holly Neher II morass and (hopefully!) wading on through to the other side ;) — fortunavelut luna 22:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC) |
- Thanks! It was certainly not the first long, rambling discussion I've waded through to close. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- And I dare say as long as you don't think it'll be the last, you'll be OK! ;) Take care, — fortunavelut luna 23:01, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Roberto Pinelli
Hi, I have seen that the article has been cancelled for promotion, it may be true, I don't know, but the biography is really similar to that of Michael Lawless, please compare both articles. Except the citizenship (Australian and Swiss, both are very similar biographies) I checked the relevance of Mr.Pinelli and he applies a correction system, not invasive, which is recognized as a scientific system to correct some eye's problems and this is the reason why he has been invited to join to the The International Intra-Ocular Implant Club (IIIC). What has been your consideration about that? May you at least motivate a little bit your decision? It makes sense considering this similarity. --Ilario (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Ilario: Well, that one will be gone soon enough anyway, since it's also promotional. The article in question was also promotional (we wouldn't link "MD" in the very first paragraph, "recognised worldwide as an authority in eye surgery", "He is a pioneer...", "He was invited to join the exclusive..." (no links in article text, one link to an official website is permitted in the "External links" section), "He was the first surgeon to perform Femto Lasik Lux®" (no trademark symbols in articles)). So, yes, it was promotional and deleted for that reason. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:14, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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Prosperity Indiana Draft deleted, asking for text
Hey. I talked to a user (swistertwister), as he was cited as having deleted my draft after submittal. The reason was listed as G11, which he continued to agree with despite my neutrality in reporting on the organization, Prosperity Indiana. The user stated in the deletion log is now you, and I wanted to reach out to you. I am not sure if you will discuss placing the article live on WIKI, but I asked 'swistertwister' and am now asking you to somehow give me the text from the deleted draft. The WIKI page was completed by an undergraduate class at Ball State University. I am writing on behalf of my professor, who would also like access to the text. While constructing the page, we were not aware the draft would be hidden form us upon disapproval. I am also happy to explain how the material is not promotional by nature, but was a class decision for how to educated the communities that work with the organization about relevant project and experience. So, if you can make it live, that would be great; otherwise, if you can send me the text in the draft, that would also be appreciated. 18:24, 19 August 2017 deletion time Rileysandel (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2017 (UTC) RileySandel
- @Rileysandel: I can email you the text if you'd like, provided you'll agree not to put it back as it was. If so, let me know if you'd like plain text or wikimarkup. However, the article was a "get to know ya" style piece and a catalog of services offered, as well as talking up how good and necessary those services are. All that may be true, but it was largely unreferenced, and we don't allow promotion of anyone or anything on Wikipedia, not even good causes. If you'd like to write a "profile" style page about the organization, there are many websites that do permit such material, but this is not one. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:27, 13 October 2017 (UTC)