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5)I am told we must work as a group and consult others before we make changes yet...Edward321 is allowed to so without our consultation...why is he protected from all the rules I am not protected from...hmmm, I wonder???([[User:Scipio3000|Scipio3000]] 18:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
==Sicilianist==
I have been blocked becasue of the private conversation me and you had on your page over how white people discriminate against Sicilians and he blocked me for saying white boy...Can you help or find someone who can for me...that was private and beside it is true, here is another example of it! The page on Sicily is a mess you'll have to fix that to, I can't believe they are doing this to me!! Help!([[User:Scipio3000|Scipio3000]] 16:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
=='''Why Constantine is responsible for the spread of Christianity'''==
''I am going to give references to all the material that I am going to present. If you need more info. on the books or authors let me know. I only want to provide a honest straight narrative of the history of [[Europe]]. My point is that [[Constantine the Great]] and the [[Roman Empire]] were responsible for spreading [[Christianity]] to Europe in the 4th Century AD as opposed to the time [[Charlemagne]] was crowned by the Pope as the "Emperor of the Romans" in the 9th Century AD, which became the [[Holy Roman Empire]] and that became the [[Habsburg dynasty]]. If anyone disagrees with my explanation as why my revision should not remain, please let me know. We should come to an agreed consensus and I hope the referenced material I am going to provide proves this. I took nothing from any of the links from Wikipedia so I suggest you check these out too. I got everything from my books. I used '''5''' seperate books, if need be, I can provide more sources. I am kinda embarrassed but I don't remeber exactly the proper way to do historical references nor do I know the system of putting up references on Wikipedia, but I will do my best....''
The year 306 AD [[Rome]] and [[Italy]] were much less vital to the empire than they had been in the days of [[Hannibal]] or [[Augustus]], but the ancient seat of power still had sufficient mystique that possession of it made it of great moral value to its imperial possessor.('''''1''''') In the West, the struggle was [[Maxentius]], who had seized Italy and [[North Africa]], and Constantine, who had suceeded his father [[Constantius]] as [[Western Emperor]]. in 312 Constantine invaded Italy and defeated Maxentius at [[Turin]] and [[Verona]].('''''2''''') Constantine himself needed a to unite and inspire his troops, with the very conception of legitimate succesion under [[Diocletian]] system. He found [[God]], or God found him, in a vision of a cross across the sun, a phenomenon that does in fact naturally occur under proper atmospheric conditions. Having seen the amazing sight, Constantine later told a biographer of a dream in which the long persecuted [[Christians]] had shown him a 'rho'[P] crossed with a 'chi'[X] and commanded 'In hoc signo, vincere'(In this sign conquer). If for no other reason than their remarkable persistence in the face of extensive persecution, the Christians were a moral force in the empire, and the soldiers accepted the generals vision and painted their emblem upon their shields. Constantines army had victory and vision on their side.('''''3''''')
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* Books has 5 different authors if you need me to name them let me know.
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''' I want to give the general person a factual, informative introduction to Sicily and provide links if a certain time period interests them. ''' But I want them to be able to go through each section and briefly get the general idea of each period in the long, fairly complicated and rich history of Sicily.
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==A possibly helpful suggestion==
Why not translate this nice [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilia#Cucina_e_gastronomia mouth-watering article] in [[italian]] on Sicilian cuisine and gastronomy from the italian Sicily WP page into [[english]] for the english [[Sicily]] WP page? --[[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] 18:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:I have extended your block to indefinite due to your legal threats.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Scipio3000&diff=151232459&oldid=151231684] Please read [[WP:NLT]] for why this has occurred. - [[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="#0000cd">auburn</font><font color="#EF6521">pilot</font>]] [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 19:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
They are not threats...I am seriously taking this action against Wikipedia...lawyers will be in contact([[User:Scipio3000|Scipio3000]] 19:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
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Italian Defamation Lawyers
I have been told by the lawyers of the Italian discrimination committee to refrain from speaking to you, they have contacted Wikipedian authorities and our gathering evidence and taking this matter very seriously. I have nothing further to say at this time.(Scipio3000 19:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
EL_C
I miss you...you were far cooler than these other people...damn, I wish you were still my editor, at least you actually listened, how can I get you to help again...I guess I thought the grass was greener on hte other side how wrong was I!!(Scipio3000 19:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
DarthGriz98
Funny how your only there to bash me, yet when I ask for your help to resolve this, you ignore me? Why? Is it not your job to solve disputes, so why won't you help me?? Hmmm...I wonder???
1)No one will even check in to the matter or help resolve this dispute, why???
2)Edward321 changed sentences that I had cited, why is he allowed to do this
3)Why does Edward321 not have to follow guidelines and consult with the others working on this before making Major changes?? You say I don't own the article, but why is Edward321 allowed too?? I think I can guess...
4)If Edward321 was not scrutinizing me so closely, no one would have even noticed, and I would have been able to finish my edit on the Cuisine Section without any problems...It is not like I left this there for days, it was from last night until this morning. Everything else I have done has had citations!!(Scipio3000 19:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
- My friend I have done nothing to bash you, I only have pointed out what I see. I am a neutral party in this dispute, but I can't side with you when I see things like personal attacks and copyright violations that you try to cover with other things. I googled the content that was copyrighted to make sure it was a copyright violation. I did not side with Edward or JodyB without examining your case very carefully from the very beginning. I am not trying to hurt you, I want you to have the chance to edit without problems, but for that you need to stop accusing other parties of harassing you and placing vendettas against us on your talk page. Please read my response at the bottom of your talk page. DarthGriz98 19:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Please answer why you want help settle or find someone to mediate this dispute...why?(Scipio3000 19:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
Admin
WHY WILL NONE OF YOU HELP ME SOLVE MY DISPUTE WITH EDWARD321, I AM BEGGING FOR HELP, YET YOU IGNORE ME AND THE ONLY TIME I HEAR FROM YOU IS WHEN YOU BLOCK ME!! THIS IS DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF MY ETHNCICITY....I HAVE ASKED FOR THE PAST WEEK FOR HELP AND I AM CRUELLY IGNORED OR TOLD BY JODYB...I DESERVE NO PROTECTION...HOW IS THIS ETHICAL...WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ON HERE??(Scipio3000 19:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
Anti-Italianism
is a hostility toward Italian people and Italian culture. It uses crude or unfair stereotypes about Italian people, a popular one being that most Italians are unnaturally violent, or somehow associated with the Mafia. Aside from the bigotry inherent in this idea, it is also statistically improbable. Like most racist and biased sentiments, anti-Italianism often uses discrimination, prejudice, and even violence. Sociologically speaking, the largest common denominator among anti-Italians is ignorance and parochialism, a relative lack of exposure to other cultures and ways of life. American ethnocentric attitudes and "nativism"—a form of racially-rooted chauvinism have often contributed greatly to this kind of prejudice. German-American and Irish-American groups have often been mentioned as particularly virulent in their animosity toward Italians
Violence against Italians
In the United States, Italian immigrants were subject to EXTREME prejudice, racism, and, in many cases, violence. During the 1800s and early 20th Century, Italian Americans, being seen as non-anglo and oftentimes non-white, were the second most likely group to be lynched. One of the largest mass lynchings in American history involved the lynching of eleven Italians in the city of New Orleans.'' The Italians, who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessey, were placed in a jail cell before being brutally murdered by a mob, with witnesses claiming that the cheers "were nearly deafening." Reporting on the incident, one newspaper reported "The little jail was crowded with Sicilians, whose low, receding foreheads, dark skin, repulsive countenances and slovenly attire proclaimed their brutal nature."
In fact, in many areas of the South, Italians were "semisegregated." In the 1920s, two Italian anarchists, Sacco and Vanzetti, experienced prejudice and ultimately death due to their Italian ancestry and extreme political views. Though not lynched, Sacco and Vanzetti were subject to a mishandled trial, and many historians agree that the judge, jury, and prosecution were extremely biased against the Italian immigrants. Sacco and Vanzetti were eventually put to death, convicted of a murder despite the lack of evidence against them.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!
1)No one stepped in to help solve this dispute after several admin. were notified and I begged you to help and I was ignored!!
2)The person changing my passages had no prior interest or contributions to any Italian section until his vendetta with me...I begged for admin. to look at this and they refused and told me I deserve no protection
3) I am told that anyone can make changes to Italian articles, yet no one can touch anyother ethnic groups without knowledge or factual material and references. So why aren't Italians protected...hmmm I wonder??
4) I am being accused of copyright violation, when I told the other 2 Sicilians working on this it was not finished and I only wanted to show them a format. On sunday I worked on this until 6 in the morning and spent all day yesterday...I feel asleep before I could finish(and left a note to the two others woking on this...I am not done, WIP, let me know what you think?) So why are we not afforded the right to work on this as we want?? Everyone else is allowed too?? So why can't we??? I wonder...
5)I am told we must work as a group and consult others before we make changes yet...Edward321 is allowed to so without our consultation...why is he protected from all the rules I am not protected from...hmmm, I wonder???(Scipio3000 18:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
Sicilianist
I have been blocked becasue of the private conversation me and you had on your page over how white people discriminate against Sicilians and he blocked me for saying white boy...Can you help or find someone who can for me...that was private and beside it is true, here is another example of it! The page on Sicily is a mess you'll have to fix that to, I can't believe they are doing this to me!! Help!(Scipio3000 16:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC))
Why Constantine is responsible for the spread of Christianity
I am going to give references to all the material that I am going to present. If you need more info. on the books or authors let me know. I only want to provide a honest straight narrative of the history of Europe. My point is that Constantine the Great and the Roman Empire were responsible for spreading Christianity to Europe in the 4th Century AD as opposed to the time Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope as the "Emperor of the Romans" in the 9th Century AD, which became the Holy Roman Empire and that became the Habsburg dynasty. If anyone disagrees with my explanation as why my revision should not remain, please let me know. We should come to an agreed consensus and I hope the referenced material I am going to provide proves this. I took nothing from any of the links from Wikipedia so I suggest you check these out too. I got everything from my books. I used 5 seperate books, if need be, I can provide more sources. I am kinda embarrassed but I don't remeber exactly the proper way to do historical references nor do I know the system of putting up references on Wikipedia, but I will do my best....
The year 306 AD Rome and Italy were much less vital to the empire than they had been in the days of Hannibal or Augustus, but the ancient seat of power still had sufficient mystique that possession of it made it of great moral value to its imperial possessor.(1) In the West, the struggle was Maxentius, who had seized Italy and North Africa, and Constantine, who had suceeded his father Constantius as Western Emperor. in 312 Constantine invaded Italy and defeated Maxentius at Turin and Verona.(2) Constantine himself needed a to unite and inspire his troops, with the very conception of legitimate succesion under Diocletian system. He found God, or God found him, in a vision of a cross across the sun, a phenomenon that does in fact naturally occur under proper atmospheric conditions. Having seen the amazing sight, Constantine later told a biographer of a dream in which the long persecuted Christians had shown him a 'rho'[P] crossed with a 'chi'[X] and commanded 'In hoc signo, vincere'(In this sign conquer). If for no other reason than their remarkable persistence in the face of extensive persecution, the Christians were a moral force in the empire, and the soldiers accepted the generals vision and painted their emblem upon their shields. Constantines army had victory and vision on their side.(3)
He defeated Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge and made Christianity the state religion, confiscating temple treasure and building many new churches. This left him undisputed ruler of the Western provinces.(4) In 313 at the Edict of Milan constantine granted the Christians toleration and almost immediately, with the emperors patronage, an impressive building programme of cathedrals and churches started in Italy. In a few years the enormous Basilicas of St. John Lateran and St. Peter were built in Rome. Christian bishops were allowed to give Roman citizenship to slaves, and conduct their own law courts. A new heirarchy and a new kind of authority had come to Italy.(5)
At the Edict of Milan, Constantine iniated the Christianization of the Roman Empire. The conversion of parts of the Roman elite and promulagation of Christianity by Roman administrators set Europe on paths towards conversion, but fairly quickly the Church gathered its own momentum. charismatic individuals, some isolated holy men and women, others popular bishops and clergy, held great sway over local populations, while shrines devoted their lives to spiritual salvation achieved renown across Europe. Impressive ecclestical practices, such as cathedrals and monasteries, based upon traditional Roman imperial structures, began to replace these on the nascent urban landscapes across the continent.(6)
In 316 Constantine felt strong enough to attack his rival Licinius seizing Greece and the Balkans. The ensuing truce lasted until 324, when Constantine finally defeated Licinius; his victory reunited the Roman Empire. He also took personal interest in theology, participating in church councils at Arles in 314 and Nicaea in 325, and baptised on his deathbed in 337.(7) At Nicaea he presided over the first ecunenical council, representing the whole church, which defined beliefs for all Christians. A full ecclesiatical organization developed, with a heirarchy of bishops and a framework of patriarchates, provinces and dioceses throughout the empire.(8)
The two halves of the Roman Empire remained linked for half a century after the reigns of Diocletian and Constantine. Only in 395 AD, with the bitter death of Theodosius, did the complete break occure(9)
So based on that information, without Constantine and the incredible sway he had over the population and the networks and well connected logistics and roads of the Roman Empire allowed Christianity to spread rapidly and uniformly. At this time the Roman Empire was from Europe(England, France to the Rhine, Belgium, Swiss, [[Austria}], Spain, Italy, The Balkans, Greece, the Near East and North Africa). This is the majority of the known world at this time and without Constantine church councils, massive religious reforms, tolerance and promotion of christianity and the Roman empires connected and integrated society and logistics this would have never been possible, and Christianity may never had the chance to grow as it did. Nonetheless, it was constantine who gave Christianity its acceptance to the empire, its freedom to develop, the money and donations provided by the emperor for it to prosper, and its greatest push to a incredibly large, homogenious(culture-wise) society. If their is any disagreement with what I am saying please let me know. But please bring references and factual material, as that is the only thing that will suffice. Thanks for reading
1)M. Spilling(editor), "Battles of the Ancient World."(Barnes & Noble, Inc, 2007)*
2)C. Scarre, "The Penguin historical Atlas of Ancient Rome."(Penguin books, 1995)
3)M. Spilling(editor), "Battles of the Ancient World."(Barnes & Noble, Inc, 2007
4)C. Scarre, "The Penguin historical Atlas of Ancient Rome."(Penguin books, 1995)
5)H. Hearder, "Italy:A short history."(Cambridge University press, 1990)
6)A. Jotischky & C. Hull, "The Penguin Historical Guide of the MEdieval World."(Penguin books, 2005)
7)C. Scarre, "The Penguin historical Atlas of Ancient Rome."(Penguin books, 1995)
8)G.Parker(ed.), "The Compact hsitory of the world."(Times books, 1995)
9)H. Hearder, "Italy:A short history."(Cambridge University press, 1990)
- Books has 5 different authors if you need me to name them let me know.
On my article, Sicily
I feel that what Wikipedia is for and it's objective is to give people a good understanding and overview of a subject. I go on here to get the general idea of something and if I am interested there are links or references to find more information. But several articles on here are sloppy or not structured properly and I feel this to be the case with this article.
I want to give the general person a factual, informative introduction to Sicily and provide links if a certain time period interests them. But I want them to be able to go through each section and briefly get the general idea of each period in the long, fairly complicated and rich history of Sicily.
Question to Scipio
In my attempts to help, I think there is one piece of information that I'm missing which you can easily help me with. Now I can't stress this enough - I'm not asking for why you think you are right, I'm just asking a "what happened". What happened between you and Edward321 and JodyB? Please keep the response as short as possible...i just need the bare bones at this stage. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 18:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
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Okay: A week ago I deleted 4 sections and combined them into one, and in one of those sections was one sentence on Jews. So he thinks I am Anti-Semitic because of this and has a personal vendetta on me And because of him spreading this every admin. refuses to help me: 1)Continually stalks me and connives with other users to discredit and demean me. He has reported me and tells on me for everything I do or say or think, and has a list a mile long. 2)He only changes the exact sentences or sections I work on...and usually about a minute or two after I am done. Also he reworded citated sentences I had and yet he gets in no trouble for this. 3)refuses to work out our differences and instead is constantly watching what I do and instantly telling on me for it and goes way out of his way to do this. 4)has never contributed to an Italian article or Sicilian until his vendetta with me 5)Is not held to the same threats and criteria I am, such as he is allowed to make changes without consulting me. 6)Baits me and then acts so coy and innocent.
1)told me I deserve no protection. 2)Never checks to see if Edward321 may be wrong 3)When I did report that Edward321 was messing with me, he yelled at me and threatened me with blocks. 4)Is cooperating with Edward321 to get me in trouble. 5)Refuses to help me solve my dispute with Edward321, saying Edward321 is innocent and Refuses to allow other admin. to help me or even listen to my complaint.
That is my point, everything I do there is Edward321 changing my work. This is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS! And yet everyone gangs up on me...without even checking what Edward321 is doing.(Scipio3000 18:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)) |
A possibly helpful suggestion
Why not translate this nice mouth-watering article in italian on Sicilian cuisine and gastronomy from the italian Sicily WP page into english for the english Sicily WP page? --Mathsci 18:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have extended your block to indefinite due to your legal threats.[1] Please read WP:NLT for why this has occurred. - auburnpilot talk 19:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
They are not threats...I am seriously taking this action against Wikipedia...lawyers will be in contact(Scipio3000 19:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC))