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Sarek, I am still looking for your analysis as requested [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SarekOfVulcan&diff=537793673&oldid=537765476 here]. Thank you, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 03:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC) |
Sarek, I am still looking for your analysis as requested [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SarekOfVulcan&diff=537793673&oldid=537765476 here]. Thank you, [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 03:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:Probably won't be happening. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC) |
:Probably won't be happening. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC) |
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::So what am I supposed to do about [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions&action=history this]? [[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 03:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== Could you review something (again) == |
== Could you review something (again) == |
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Jeez... II
Sorry, but the heading applies , too! Could I persuade you to peruse the rather rude editor's comment and give him a gentle reminder to AGF and be civil? His post is more than a little over the top. Thanks! --Drmargi (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Tea Party movement arbitration case opened
An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea Party movement. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea Party movement/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 20, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea Party movement/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
re: comment
If I simply add English text to it (while keeping the Japanese present), would that arguably be enough? (>.>;;) (i.e, to this: ハロー☆リンク-Hello Link-) ハロー☆リンク 19:29, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, that should do nicely. Thanks! --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:10, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Edit wars
Regarding your notice of suspected edit war, I'm trying to get just one other person to discuss the matter on the talk page first before simply deleting text, which would be the better option before any mediation or dispute resolution. Only time will tell if consensus can be reached by the community. He has now taken the issue up in the talk page so we are discussing it there Wombat24 (talk) 04:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, when BLP issues are in play, deleting and then discussing is usually the better course of action. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 05:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- In the category of "Put down the stick, and back away from the horse in rigor mortis" Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Threat_from_Administrator Fladrif (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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sound of music
Please explain why you removed the addition on the narrative theme? Jw2 (talk) 22:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
An arbitration case regarding Doncram has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
- Doncram is placed under a general probation indefinitely. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions if, despite being warned, Doncram repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any normal editorial process or any expected standards of behavior and decorum. These sanctions may include blocks, page or topic bans, instructions to refrain from a particular behavior, or any other sanction that the administrator deems appropriate. Sanctions imposed under this remedy may be appealed as if they were discretionary sanctions. Doncram may not appeal this restriction for one year and is limited to an appeal once every six months thereafter.
- Doncram is indefinitely restricted from creating new pages, except for redirects, in article space. He may create new content pages in his user space, at Articles for Creation, in a sandbox area within a WikiProject's area, or in similar areas outside of article space. Such pages may only be moved to article space by other users after review. This restriction may be appealed to the Committee after one year.
- For edit warring with Doncram, SarekOfVulcan is strongly admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator.
- SarekOfVulcan and Doncram are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with each other (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
- The question of how substantive the content of a stub must be before it can legitimately be introduced to the mainspace as a stand-alone article cannot be decided by the Arbitration Committee. If the project is to avoid the stub guideline becoming a recurring problem in the future, we suggest to the community that this question may need to be decided through a deliberate attempt at conducting focussed, structured discussions in the usual way.
For the Arbitration Committee, (X! · talk) · @277 · 05:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- Discuss this
- In light of this, I've procedurally closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Register Information System — we can't have an AFD in which the nominator isn't allowed to comment. My opinions of what should be done with the article didn't play into this decision. Nyttend (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- As you perhaps noticed, you weren't the first person to object to my action. I've accordingly reopened it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Register Information System; I've copy/pasted everyone's comments except yours and Doncram's. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- In light of this, I've procedurally closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Register Information System — we can't have an AFD in which the nominator isn't allowed to comment. My opinions of what should be done with the article didn't play into this decision. Nyttend (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Resigning the bit
I haven't been much of a fan of you and your style, but you have earned my admiration through your resignation. It is a breath of fresh air from the 'job for life' and 'I'll resign over my dead body' mentality that is still regrettably quite prevalent amongst other admins. Hope you still enjoy a productive life without the mop, and all the best for the future. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 03:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- *bows respectfully* Thank you, sir. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 03:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
This saddens me, Sarek. You were always one of the good guys -- helpful, accessible and firm but fair. --Drmargi (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sarek, good job. I'm always pleased when I see things like this. However, can I recommed you choose to either do your reconfirmation RfA now or in May? Reconfirmation RfAs are quite indulgent and two in two months would be a poor idea. WormTT(talk) 08:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I had no intention of doing it now -- I was always going to wait until May, as that would be two years since the previous RFA. It was just my original plan to resign immediately before the new RFA, instead of taking a couple of months off.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 10:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I support now. Why wait. I would certainly not oppose it.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
It's quite one thing for ArbComm to slap your wrist and say "bad boy"; it's quite another for any individual Arbs to call for the bit to be removed based on the Doncram situation. I wasn't 100% convinced of the "poison" that was ArbComm until now. Wow. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Speechless... (almost)... I've already bookmarked this. You still are one of the good guys. 7 15:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, folks. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Very honourable action - I look forward to May. In the meantime, enjoy your break. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
just sayin
sorry to see this. You're a good guy. I appreciate what you've done, what you do, and what I hope you'll continue to do. — Ched : ? 04:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Deja vu at WT:V, and current business
Here is the edit in which SV reverts your close, with the valid point that the close was seven days early, and with the escalatory points, "In addition, it's not clear to me what the consensus is; not clear that the RfC was a proper wiki-wide one (I was hoping for something not on this page), and it would be appreciated if more than one (completely uninvolved) admin would agree to interpret the consensus." By the next day, you had turned in your admin bit. SV's tactics soon included renaming the RfC and spamming unrelated discussion groups, supported by Viriditas. As I soon said, "Instead of participation and collaboration, SV's MO, for changes to the lede of WP:V, is to wait until consensus has been established before becoming centrally involved, and such involvement is never with the goal of building consensus. The current episode is the third such episode in less than a year. Unscintillating (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)".
I think your decision today to return your bit until at least May was correct. I don't actually know why you think you need to do an RfA.
Sarek, I am still looking for your analysis as requested here. Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 03:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- Probably won't be happening. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- So what am I supposed to do about this? Unscintillating (talk) 03:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Could you review something (again)
Hi Sarek,
Some time ago Blueboar left you a message:
User_talk:SarekOfVulcan/Archive_19#Could_you_review_something.3F
I found that extremely troubling that he could suggest a custom made set of sanctions (including the two added measures of sanctioning Blueboar and going to another admin). I also found it troubling that you didn't rebuke Blueboar for clearly suggesting that you abuse process.
I grew more alarmed with the Doncram case. Firstly you originally got involved with Doncram after other Masonic editors grew frustrated not at his use of bots but the very idea that he name Masonic Lodges in obscure towns as their Masonic halls were on the NRHP, although I've not seen - or looked for - a suggestion from them that you get involved. I grew more worried when I found that you had implemented a dual sanction on Doncram and Blueboar which was suspiciously similar to the one that Blueboar had suggested with me.
You want to go in for another RfA in May, and there are a lot of people who say that you are a good admin. But I'm worried that you will not administrate without fear or favour, particularly favour.
Why do you think that Blueboar made his suggestion on your page and not on AN/I? Do you find the suggestion that Blueboar made at all troubling? If so why did you not rebuke him publicly?
JASpencer (talk) 08:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- JAS, If you want to know my motives for writing something to Sarek, and not involveing AN/I... you might have asked me directly... At that time, I was feeling very frustrated with your editing at multiple pages that fall under WikiProject:Freemasonry. You and I have butted heads on similar issues before, and I wanted a third party to review the situation. I asked Sarek to review the situation for several reasons: 1) because I respect his opinion 2) he knows the subject matter well enough to know whether the edits I was concerned about were problematic or not, 3) IF admin action was needed, he would know what was appropriate... and 4) as far as I was aware, Sarek was someone who had worked constructively with both of us before... on several occasions he has stepped in and made suggestions that calmed troubled waters between us... and I thought he might be able to do this again.
- Was the tone of my comment to Sarek "accusatory" towards you... Yes. At the time I wrote my comment, I was extremely frustrated with your editing at that moment, and that accusatory tone was a direct result of my frustration... However, you will note that I start my comment off by requesting a "reality check"... In other words, I was asking Sarek to review my editing as well as yours.
- Why did I not go to AN/I? Because the confrontation you and I were engaged in at that time had not risen to a level where it was appropraite to file an AN/I report. I was not seeking some sort of "sanction". In fact, I was deliberately attempting to avoid having our confrontation escalate to the point of bringing it to the attention of AN/I. I did not want any kind of "official sanction"... I wanted a quick review and (if warranted) a mild and friendly "warning" - something as simple as a polite message on your talk page.
- Now... having explained my motivations, let's look at Sarek's response ... He took no action. One of the things a wise Admin learns is when not to take any action. Sarek knows me well enough to understand that, once I express my frustration about another editor, I quickly begin to calm down. So... by not taking any action, he actually did the right thing... he allowed me to vent my frustration... but did nothing about it ... I assume he was waiting to see what happened next... assessing whether there was any need for him to take action, or whether the tensions between us would calm down without any action on his part (which is what actually happened).
- As far as I am concerned, that is the mark of a good Admin... not something to complain about. Blueboar (talk) 13:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)